Was Affliction The Odd Man Out? More On Affliction/Strikeforce Failed Negotiations
At the brink of the Affliction Trilogy downfall, Kevin Iole reported:
Multiple sources had indicated to Yahoo! Sports that Affliction was on the verge of a deal with Strikeforce for some sort of merger, but that fell apart in the last 24-48 hours. That’s when talks began anew between White and Affliction. They had spoken earlier in July about such a scenario, but were unable to come to a deal.
Now we get some more information on what some of these negotiations were about. It would be odd for Strikeforce to talk merger with Affliction when Affliction is composed of fighters tied to other promotions, not to mention that they have a number of partners that include Golden Boy, Trump, GoDaddy, and Showtime. Another strange bit of news is that Fedor's team had agreed to either Rogers or Vitor. We also heard that Rogers and Vitor agreed to the fight as well, so why didn't it take place? Most have mentioned that Showtime was the reason why the PPV event was scrapped, and it can be supported since they were one of the first websites to take the Trilogy event down from their schedule and immediately started advertising for Strikeforce: Carano vs Cyborg.
The question no one has yet been able to answer is why Showtime scraped the entire event. Well, I believe this supports the idea that Showtime may have had other plans in mind and Affliction may not have been in them. The Barnett positive steroid test was not the first problem to strike Trilogy, since the Paul Daley vs Jay Hieron fight was not going to happen due to some paper work visa problems.What we know is that Affliction pretty much felt no other option but to sign with the UFC and give in to all of their demands that they had previously refused, all in the span of 48 hours. It was Affliction's duty to secure their own future, and they accomplished it by striking a last minute deal with the UFC. As a byproduct of this last minute decision, Fedor and M-1 was on a plane heading to Anaheim when the deal was struck, and the fighters were left without the option of making their own decisions.
So the question remains, was Affliction the odd man out during the Trilogy debacle?
FiveKnuckles reports:
Sources close to the fighter have informed FiveKnuckles.com that Strikeforce were in talks with Affliction, M-1 Global and Golden Boy promotions on a long term deal with Emelianenko with in the last couple of days. The promotion reportedly offered the former Pride champion between 500,000 and 700,000 per fight, a non-exclusive contract, guaranteed exposure on CBS shows and a cut of any PPV event he was a part of. Emelianenko would certainly be able to get maximum mainstream U.S. exposure via CBS and Showtime which could lead possible big money endorsement deals and he'd also get to enjoy the freedoms associated with Strikeforce's non-exclusive contracts. This scenario is considered a strong possibility if Emelianenko is indeed a free agent according to inside sources.
Rumors are flying right now, so it's difficult to know exactly how all of this will play out. Sources have stated that Emelianenko's management contract allows him to brake his management contract if he's not put into a certain number of fights each year, and that may also be a possibility how unlikely it seems given his strong relationship to Vadim Finklestein and the rest of his management team at M-1.
Emelianenko is currently en route to California, according to M-1 officials, and will be making a statement regarding the situation by soon after his arrival, which should shed more light on the situation.
We'll have that for you as soon as it becomes available.
It wouldn't be the first time Showtime became frustrated with one of their MMA partners (EliteXC) and were trying to negotiate a deal that would shift their MMA content purely to Strikeforce. What Strikeforce said no to, is still very vague since Scott Coker was vacationing in Italy and no reports have come out yet in detail. Now, with Affliction bailing on the MMA promotion side, it leaves everyone wondering whether Strikeforce, M-1 (Fedor), and Golden Boy will continue their talks. It is definitely a question whether Golden Boy and Trump will continue with their MMA endeavors. M-1's other possibility s to stay solo, though not a profitable way to feature Fedor on their cards. M-1 is planning an event on August 28th in Los Angeles, and some of the Affliction fighters will now be moved to that event. They are also trying to find Fedor a fight ASAP.
Here is more on the M-1 release:
M-1 Global understands and shares the disappointment being expressed by many fans that Fedor will not be able to compete on Aug. 1 as scheduled. However, we will work to ensure that Fedor returns to active competition as soon as possible.
With Affliction’s announcement that it will cease to promote MMA events, M-1 Global will look to help fill the void created by its departure with the launch of its new "Breakthrough" fight series. The first event is scheduled for Aug. 28 in Los Angeles and will feature "King" Mo Lawal and Don "The Predator" Frye in the main event and Karl Amoussou taking on Nick Thompson in the co-main event. It is our sincerest hope that all planning to attend "Trilogy" at the Honda Center will decide to help support M-1 Global on Aug. 28.
Personally, I will be glad wherever Fedor goes as long as he fights top competition. All scenarios have pros and cons, and it will be interesting to see how this EliteXC-like fiasco turns out for all parties. All in all, you have to feel for the fighters who have put in months of training and accumulated expenses, only to be left high and dry.
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Fedor aint talking to shit… Affliction has a WORLD WIDE EXCLUSIVE on Fedor and there’s one more fight left on his contract.
Basically this means Zuffa has an “EXLUSIVE” negotiating period of 6 to 12 months (the amount of time it would take for Fedor to get out of the contract in court).
KNEEL TO ZAAD MUTHERFUCKER.
by mmalogic on Jul 25, 2009 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
And I, for one, welcome our new overlords!
by Pontus on Jul 25, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know Zuffa has exclusivity?
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Jul 25, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Affliction has a World Exlusive Contract with Fedor and there’s one more fight left on that contract. Fedor cant fight anywhere unless he gets out of this contract.
And there’s only 2 ways to get out of this contract now… through Zuffa or through court.
Same dynamic with most of the other fighters. some may be able to fight overseas but not in North America and it gets even more murky because most need “permission” making it a defacto “exclusive” agreement even though its not stated in concrete… for FEDOR exclusivity is concrete globally.
by mmalogic on Jul 25, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They’re not going to give him that one fight unless he signs a new deal, are they?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 25, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you my friend have coined what will become a classic line….
by mmalogic on Jul 25, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Become Classic?
That’s always been the case regarding Zuffa and having a fighter with only 1 fight left. Ask Huerta, Arlovski, etc.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 25, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a relatable situation at all.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 26, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it is.
The way Zuffa treats fighters with 1 fight left on their contracts is pretty much exactly the same thing as the way they’re going to treat Fedor if he has 1 fight left on his contract with Affliction and they’re doing whatever Zuffa says.
by Phildo on Jul 26, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it is directly unrelatable
Zuffa marketed those fighters for multiple fights and each had a different circumstance. Fedor has never fought for Zuffa. How you can relate those three as similar circumstances is without reason.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 26, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact is, if Zuffa has the say over when you’re next fight is, and you aren’t going to fight for them after their fight, they are going to bench you for as long as they legally can.
by Phildo on Jul 26, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is not the same situation. That much is clear. The remaining fight is basically a right to negotiate.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 26, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and when I say “talking” i mean in terms of his next fight.
by mmalogic on Jul 25, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If by “Exlusive” you mean exclusive and elusive negotiation period, you may be correct.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 25, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TYPOGRAPHICAL SUPREMACY STRIKES AGAIN
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by Paynuss on Jul 26, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC is not going to be able to blackball Fedor into a fight. His contract I’m sure has a “no trade” clause where it can’t be sold. Don’t forget M-1 co-promoted all the fights so they have a say too. If Fedor fights in Japan on New Years Eve what is Zuffa going to do, sue him in Japanese court?
by Sokonojudo on Jul 25, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could sue him in US courts which would probably make life very difficult for anyone trying to make money off of him in the united states, which will eventually make his life difficult.
by Phildo on Jul 25, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zuffa had a carrot… now Zuffa has a stickl.
Can they go to Japan? It’’s a different jurisdiction and the show prbably wouldnt get stopped but then Fedor will get sued…. Japan wont pay more than 800k a far cry of around 2m of what Finkie is used to.
Dream couldnt even get Crocop and he’s a way bigger star than fedor… why would they spend a nickel more on Fedor?
Zuffa has the only real Carrot and now the Stick…. some “tough love” is on its way.
by mmalogic on Jul 25, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Look I know you like to nuthug the UFC, but you don’t have to put their balls in your mouth.
Contracts are not simply Buy/Sell. The UFC purchased Pride and they didn’t get Fedor. Fedor could probably sign with Strikeforce and Zuffa’s army of lawyers may/may not be able to stop him depending on the terms of the contract. Fedor’s contracts are so complicated with M-1, concessions, non-exclusivity, he would be a moron if he didn’t see the possibility that Affliction could fold and the UFC would get him.
by Sokonojudo on Jul 25, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pride contracts didn’t transfer, genius – most of them sans Fedor went with the UFC because it was the only game in town (and that’s worked out pretty well for Nog, Wandy and Hendo). This contract, according to logic, is still valid because Affliction gave it to Zuffa as part of the deal.
Let us a) not blame Fedor for his contract situation or b) assume Finkie is anything other than a hack.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 25, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying that Zuffa can FORCE fedor to sign a contract. I am telling you there is no way in hell Fedor can fight anywhere else without getting sued (japan) or having the show stopped (north america).
There is no way in hell Fedors next fight will be in strikeforce.
Fedor cant fight anywhere unless Zuffa or a court says so.
Golly if only Affliction had its third show :)
I am also not saying Fedor cant get out of this obligiation left on his contract… I will say he’s got a great shot and could even be awarded lots money for damages…. but here’s the deal:
It will take him 12 months to do it and any money he is awarded will be from a “shell company” making it useless.
There lay 2 roads infront of Fedor:
“The easy way” and “The legal way”
by mmalogic on Jul 25, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is fighting Brock Lesnar the “easy way” or “legal way”?
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather fight Brock Lesnar than deal with lawyers.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But at least when you lose to lawyers you can still claim to be the G.O.A.T.
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 25, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?Que esta G.O.A.T.?
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 25, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is only one Goat, and he is a lawyer as well.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 25, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Fedor can’t fight anywhere unless Zuffa or a court says so”
-I don’t understand that. Fedor must have a clause where if Affliction goes under (which it has) that he becomes a free agent or his contract rights go over to M-1.
by Sokonojudo on Jul 25, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It hasn’t gone under – it was acquired. Big difference.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 25, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasnt acquired…
Affliction made absolutely no announcement that they have gone under…
They are now “collaborating” lol. So just to let Fedors people know the status of his situation “affliction is in the process of collaborating”.
by mmalogic on Jul 25, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Could he make an argument to the effect that Affliction can not fulfill their end of the contract in regards to promoting a show for him to fight on?
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Imagine if the UFC tried to do a one show UFC/Affliction co-promotion. This whole situation is a bloody mess.
by Sokonojudo on Jul 25, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES… and he would probably win in the end.
Unfortunately it would take him a year and lots of money spent.
Affliction Entertainment has already given millions to Fedor and crew and now they are in “collaboration” with the biggest promotion. They are doing their best :)
This thing can be delayed like a mutherfucker.
by mmalogic on Jul 25, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i iz legel geniuz.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah just like all the elite guys had one… they all became free agents right? elite even announced the bankruptcy.
Fedor can get out of this obligation… he has a case. Im giving you the reality here:
It will take him a year to do so and countless dollars spent.
by mmalogic on Jul 25, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fedor cant fight anywhere unless Zuffa or a court says so.
Why would Zuffa have control? Without knowing the ins and outs of Fedors contract, I’d assume that it would be up to Affliction Ent to release him from the contract.
If the UFC made it ‘worth Afflictions while’ not to release Fedor from his contract, there could potentially be an expiration clause in his contract seeing it expire in Jan 2010, 12 months from his last fight. And if all of those potential situations dont exist and somehow Zuffa gets control of the contract, won’t they simply have a 1 fight contract with no champions clause for a truckload of money? Of what good is that to them?
by GeeDub on Jul 26, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is an exclusive negotiating window, that’s what good it is to them. He can’t go back to Japan or negotiate with Strikeforce without fear of a lawsuit.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are his negotiations exclusive to the UFC without fear of a lawsuit?
by GeeDub on Jul 26, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he owes Affliction 1 more fight, and Affliction is going to do whatever Zuffa wants them to do with that contract.
If Fedor wants out of the contract, the court battles will take at least 6 months. If Fedor just goes and fights somewhere else, they’re going to get sued for breaching the Affliction contract.
by Phildo on Jul 26, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Affliction is going to do whatever Zuffa wants them to do with that contract.
I really hope thats not the case as Affliction has screwed fighters enough in this already.
by GeeDub on Jul 27, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re definitely screwing the fighters in it, but why on earth would they do things this way if they weren’t doing what Zuffa said?
If they were as fighter friendly as they claimed to be in the beginning, they would have paid everyone their purse and let it count as a fight against their contract. or they would have already announced that they cut everyone. But that probably wouldn’t allow them to get back into the Octagon.
by Phildo on Jul 27, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Babalu v Mousasi is apparently on at Strikeforce. That deal seemed to be reached quickly. Maybe Affliction havent completely turned evil!
by GeeDub on Jul 28, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying that Zuffa can FORCE fedor to sign a contract. I am telling you there is no way in hell Fedor can fight anywhere else without getting sued (japan) or having the show stopped (north america).
There is no way in hell Fedors next fight will be in strikeforce.
I light of the recent announcement of Fedor going to Strikeforce, I just thought you might like to clarify your opinion.
by GeeDub on Aug 3, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmalogic and mmasupremacy,,,sworn enemies 4 life.
locked in a never-ending battle for control of the “mma”- prefix
sup,so i think u agree that fedor should carry hisbehind to the ufc for the sport’s sake?
altho i wouldnt mind fedor v overeem and rogers at the expense of strikeforce’s future
by justizzer on Jul 25, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
kneel to zaad mutherfucker LMAO… what does that mean?
by justizzer on Jul 25, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 25, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its “someone has been inhaling too many fumes” over excitement nerd talk…LOL.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 25, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that even a sentence?
And you had the balls to make fun of “exlusive”
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by Paynuss on Jul 26, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a hard time believing that Coker would be stupid enough to break the bank open for Fedor and give him everything he wants, that would pretty much mean war with the UFC and the end of his company. But there is something missing from this story that will hopefully be revealed sometime later things just don’t add up from multiple angles.
by Raker on Jul 25, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a harder time believing he’d accept the amount listed in the report above. 500-700k for Fedor seems in line with what Coker is and should be spending on his main eventers, but it’s not how or where Fedor should be spending his remaining fights (however many that is).
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 25, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well according to logic it doesn’t matter he couldn’t sign with SF if he wanted to.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 25, 2009 7:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the point of all this is that it was happening BEFORE Affliction agreed to the deal, so it mattered back then. I think we all have a hard time believing Coker would accept to that, but its not impossible to believe that he would consider it, specially with Showtime’s suggestion.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 25, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes for that 36 hour or so period it mattered, now all that matters is Zuffa has even more of a stranglehold on MMA in north America.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 25, 2009 10:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Be very bullish on Vitor coming over. Be very bullish on Fedor coming over.
If Mousasi wins his next 2 fights in dream be very bullish on him coming over.
Everyone else is meaningless but here goes:
Buantello will go back to strikeforce. Babalu will go back to strikeforce. Santiago will most likely come over if he doesnt lose while fulfilling his overseas commitment. Baby Fedor is back sucking on fnkie’s teet. Yvel will go elsewhere. Daley will come over and will most likely be on the november UK card. Jay will probably come over. Rothwell may come over – but probably will be released. Horedecki will go to the WEC. and finally Tim Sylva can go fuck himself.
by mmalogic on Jul 25, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope youre right about Daley and Hordecki man..
Aside from belfort and fedor, i want to see those guys in zuffa too.. Well mousasi will probably win two fights at DREAM, so if youre correct then he’ll probably be there too..
but what about gomi?
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 25, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weo you should do another FunnyBone Contest and/or RomoShop. Barnett/Atencio/Dana White are suggestions.
by Sokonojudo on Jul 25, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a funnybone contest about barnett isn’t really gonna be that good i think.. 100+ steroid jokes would get old quickly i think… maybe a photoshop contest?
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 25, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could get alot of funny Shops. Idk, you haven’t done in a contest in a while so now might be the right time.
by Sokonojudo on Jul 25, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Sylvia: Free agency is the wave of the future
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 25, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The second part of his statement was that he would never sign a long term contract again. He was 1/2 right.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let’s not forget, he wanted to fight 6 times a year. Boy did that work out.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 26, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tim Sylva can go fuck himself.
Is that possible, do you have inside information regarding this.
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 25, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MMASuPreMaCy...
We, your friends and peers are concerned about your mental state. and recent erratic behavior. You haven’t been yourself since the Affliction implosion.
We are here for your intervention. There is a taxi waiting outside to take you to a Fedor fan rehab centre. It is a nice, modern clean facility on the coast. There are lots of counsellors and doctors to help you through this difficult time in your life.
Daily group thereapy sessions with other Fedor fans in the same condition as yourself will help you talk about your feelings and heal. Once you are well, maybe then you can come home.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Laughter is part of the healing process
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
It’s going to be hard for him to be himself, seeing as how he was defined largely by carrying water for whoever was attempting to overtake the UFC at the time.
We may never see another legitimate threat to the UFC in America again. It’s not going to be Strikeforce.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 25, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only kind words allowed. This is a positivity bubble. Say something nice about him.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Supremacy was a good guy who liked to post lengthy links. He and his constant Afflicition updates. Here is to hoping that Scott Coker is not a retard and will allow Supremacy to live on. AMEN.
by Sokonojudo on Jul 25, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Supremacy because he always cheers for the underdog, no matter how completely fucked that underdog is.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much like your Bisping bet.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 25, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec’d for positivity bubble.
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Jul 27, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes Supremacy posts strange false news
I dislike Matt Hughes and Twidder.
by MonkeyCHops on Jul 26, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sup, on behalf of everyone…I hope you at least got a T-shirt deal out of Affliction’s death. You did a lot of work for them.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Jul 25, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What, no skulls? This can't be an Affliction T-Shirt

by Sokonojudo on Jul 25, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wizard
I dislike Matt Hughes and Twidder.
by MonkeyCHops on Jul 26, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Barnett
Aleksander Emelianenko
Tim Syliva
Whose career is more fucked?
by Jahbulon on Jul 25, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Def Tim
and it’s not even close.
Aleks can still fight in Asia and whatnot, and I guarantee you that Barnett could get a contract w/ the UFC
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 25, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why in the hell would the UFC offer Barnett a conract?
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 25, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need a janitor.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 25, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Barnett’s career is dead. When your actions lead to the canceling of an event and screwing 20 other fighters over for a paycheck there won’t be anyone willing to say hi to him on the street let alone hire him.
Aleksander can still fight some places in the world. His US prospects were never that great.
Tim Sylvia’s is not looking good. He would actually have train, put on a few good shows and convince higher paid promotions he won’t put on a boring performance. I don’t even know if his desire is to fight anymore given his recent lack of effort.
by bignerd on Jul 26, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sylvia’s bigger problem is that his success is now inversely proportional to the reputation of MMA and whatever promotion he is fighting in. If Sylvia keeps getting KTFO’d then his loss to Mercer reflects poorly on him. If he get quality wins, his loss to Mercer reflects poorly on MMA. True fans of fight sports know what’s up, but no promoter wants to deal with that, and no top fighter is going to want to fight him unless their is some serious t-shirt money to be had.
Of course it could get worse. He could fight Aleksander, get KTFO’d while contracting hepatitis in the process and then get popped for ’roids in the post fight test.
by Jahbulon on Jul 26, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks Like Someone In Sengoku Benefits From The Affliction Fallout
http://nightmareofbattle.wordpress.com/2009/07/25/mma-in-japan-gono-blogs/
As for the cancellation of Affliction, it was going to be aired on PPV in Japan, a few hours before SENGOKU IX by the same PPV provider (the undercard for free on a pay channel). It was overshadowing SENGOKU by hardcore fans. DREAM even announced on their website yesterday that Shinya Aoki and Tsuyoshi "TK" Kohsaka were going to commentate the event, something I think people were looking forward to. So this could be a blessing in disguise for SENGOKU.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 26, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As many have said: Affliction’s death is good for MMA.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 26, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shush. We’re being nice to SuPreMaCy. No need to teabag Affliction’s corpse.
by Sokonojudo on Jul 26, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was only agreeing with him. ;-)
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 26, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things are so much more fun when logic is out and about.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 26, 2009 1:55 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Cuban's Reaction To Trilogy Cancellation
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/mma/post/2009/07/cubans-response-on-affliction/1?csp=34
From the perspective of an MMA fan, it’s obviously disappointing. It would have been a great card. But that’s the way business works. I think the UFC was smart in their handling of Affliction. But there is plenty of room for new promotions. M1 Global does as a great job. Vadim is one of the smartest people in the world when it comes to promoting Fedor, M1 and MMA internationally. Dream, Sengoku, Strikeforce, MFC, XFC and other promotions do a great job as well.
Affliction had a great idea but tried to do too much too soon. MMA is the fastest growing sport in the world. It will be just fine.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 26, 2009 4:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just realized something, you’re like the 45 Huddle of BE. At FightOpinion, he’s about the only pro-UFC commenter in a sea of anti-UFC (and banned BE members), taking in abuse after abuse but yet come back for more each day. With Affliction dead, I hope people would deflect the hate away from you now. I think you’d have more fun if you drift away from the group-think anti-UFC stance of Ivan Trembow and the FightOpinion loonies.
Vadim is one of the smartest people in the world when it comes to promoting Fedor, M1 and MMA internationally. Dream, Sengoku, Strikeforce, MFC, XFC and other promotions do a great job as well.
Cuban’s HDNET is tied to MMA programming like a fetus to its mother. Of course he’s praying those org survive. I hope they survive as well. Those orgs run their business right so they should stick around and Cuban will keep providing us with free MMA in high def.
by cyph on Jul 26, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it is, that is why I posted this here. HDNet was supposed to televise the Trilogy undercard and had a tv deal with Affliction, so getting Cuban’s reaction is pretty interesting. He doesn’t need to pray that those orgs survive, unless you think “DREAM, Sengoku, Strikeforce, MFC, XFC, and other promotions” are going out of business. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 26, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmalogic,
Yes or no, did the UFC purchase Affliction Entertainment?
Also, as exciting as it would be to see Fedor in the Octagon, I cannot get on board with how giddy you are about him being potentially tied up for 6-12 months. The man’s on the tail end of his prime physical years, and as a fan, the last thing I want is to miss out on seeing him fight during this time span. If he’s diametrically opposed to fighting in the UFC or Zuffa’s contract terms, this is NOT a good thing for the MMA fan.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 26, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Mike
Who outside of the UFC do you really want to see him fight? I can’t think of one compelling matchup.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The most compelling bouts remaining are in the UFC, without a doubt. I would prefer less compelling match ups to no match ups at all, however—no matter whose “fault” it is.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 26, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I would prefer to wait 6-8 months for a compelling matchup than have him fight someone out of the top 10 right now.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ofcourse the biggest fights for him is in the UFC..
but outside, i’d be real interested in seeing him fight overeem.. that being said, i still hope he signs with the UFC this time.. although i doubt that Fedor’s blood sucking leeches would allow that.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 26, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not really the point I’m making. But outside of Lesnar, there’s no one I’m really pumped about him fighting in the UFC either.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 26, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe so, but there are about a half-dozen or so guys in the UFC that would make for a better match than anyone outside of it.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 26, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Lesnar’s clearly ahead. I guess Couture, too, although I’m not too excited about that fight. Then who? Carwin/Velasquez? Is that really more interesting than an Overeem or Monson?
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http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jul 26, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carwin is I think, Mir too. Cro Cop doesn’t have much chance but I bet a ton of people would like to see it.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have zero interest seeing Mir fight Lesnar.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jul 26, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really think Overeem has a better shot than Mir of beating Fedor?
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sure.
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http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jul 26, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you say so
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 26, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow=disagree?
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 27, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
W-O-W.
And yes.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we agree
Fagan is crazy.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 27, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 27, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think so too..
but Fagan, Monson??? seriously?
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 26, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First I wanna see overeem pass a drug test.
by mmalogic on Jul 27, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce?
Does that mean something happened in California when he fought for Strikeforce? Was that when the CAC was f’ed up and going through changes so they weren’t announcing the positive tests?
by MMAWrestling on Jul 27, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He passed the test just fine when he fought Buentello in California.
by Jmend255 on Jul 27, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Carwin hype around here is insane.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 26, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s undefeated, he’s never been out of the first round, he’s humongous, he’s got serious wrestling credentials, he’s got dynamite in his hands, an excellent camp and just knocked out Gabe Gonzaga with a fucking arm punch.
I can’t imagine why people are high on him.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 26, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s pretty much in the same boat as Brett Rogers, in my mind. A really green prospect who has ascended to where he is at mostly because the division he’s in is so incredibly weak (globally, mind you). I don’t think people should hate on him or anything, but damn, saying that Carwin is an interesting matchup for Fedor is ridiculous.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 26, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It falls under the Theories of Ways to Beat Fedor:
1) Get a big gigantic wrestler (Carwin, Lesnar).
2) Get someone that could drop him with one well-landed punch (Carwin, Overeem)
Only one guy falls under both rubrics.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 26, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d still like to see the Couture fight, but that’s partially because I think that Couture’s chances are better than most people do.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 26, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After losing to Lesnar, I really don’t care about Couture/Fedor. Though, I think his chances are worse than others.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 26, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see why losing to someone 60 lbs heavier kills the interest in that fight. For most fans it will still be gigantic, I’d be really interested in seeing it.
Fedor-Monson has to be the most unappealing fight for Fedor out there. At least there are paths to victory for elite wrestlers against Fedor, Monson isn’t elite at anything these days.
by Michael Rome on Jul 26, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I never gave Randy much of a shot at beating Fedor to begin with. The luster of him being the “current” UFC HW champ is gone. He’s less than a half-decade away from 50. I’d prefer not to see a death in the cage.
I understand that other people would buy it. I said, “I guess Couture, too, although I’m not too excited about that fight,” earlier.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 26, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sucks that Fedor will be tied up for that amount of time )possibly) but if that’s what it takes to make Fedor/Brock happen in the UFC (really the only relevant fight for him, the people in the discussion before the show as canceled was great for 8 days notice, but with Barnett out of the picture, it really should be Brock) then so be it.
by Phildo on Jul 26, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keeping Couture from reneging on his contract not fighting fedor wasnt also good for the “fan” short term. But this is very good long term for the sport.
by mmalogic on Jul 26, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It was necessary.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 26, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s funny to think about, but if Couture got out and Affliction got Elite’s CBS deal, Randy-Fedor would have main evented a CBS show in Jan. 2009. Can you imagine how different this industry would look?
by Michael Rome on Jul 26, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have worried for Subo’s health.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 26, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry about ol' Subo
I feel like a million bucks after this week.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 26, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw subo, who would be running the UFC after Dana White’s head exploded?
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Randy got out Zuffas entire business model would have went down the tubes.
by mmalogic on Jul 26, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
M-1 owning and fleecing Fedor is also not good… but shit happens.
by mmalogic on Jul 26, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn’t answer my question.
I’m also not sure what M-1 allegedly fleecing Fedor has to do with anything I talked about. It’s OK to put someone on the shelf for six months because someone else is robbing him blind?
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 26, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m giddy because its almost guaranteed Fedor will be in the UFC.
by mmalogic on Jul 26, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For real! Took long enough but later is better than never. Considering Brock Lesnar created a lot of press for himself after UFC 100 (best post fight interview of all time imho), the timing could not have been better really
by nochapi on Jul 28, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In M-1’s defense, Fedor is letting them srew him over repeatedly, that’s as much his fault as their’s. Is he that dumb or just that gullible?
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 26, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
















