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Bloody Elbow Exclusive: The Details Behind Affliction's First Attempt to Exit the Fight Game

070823_couture_vmed_9aWhen MMA historians look back at the short history of Affliction Entertainment, they will point to September 2, 2008 as the day that sealed the promotion's fate.  Affliction's entire business plan was premised on putting together a fight between Randy Couture and Fedor Emelianenko.  At the time it was undoubtedly the sport's biggest fight, and most observers assumed Randy would be able to get out of his contract and fight Fedor.  On September 2, 2008 the UFC announced the return of Randy Couture. 

Couture's attorney arranged a meeting between UFC executives and Affliction executives to discuss the issue of Randy wearing Xtreme Couture clothing at UFC 91.  Since Affliction co-owned the clothing line with Randy, there was an inherent dilemma.  Randy wanted to wear it for his walk-in to promote the brand which carried his name, and the UFC wanted to help him out, but they were unwilling to help a competing promotion.

The meeting took place on Friday, September 26, 2008 in Las Vegas, Nevada.  It was attended by Dana White, Lorenzo Fertitta, Randy Couture, his attorney, Courtney Dubar, Tom Atencio, and a number of other attorneys.  As the meeting progressed, the topic of what it would take to get Affliction back in the Octagon came up.  Lorenzo and Dana made it clear that as long as Affliction was a competing promotion, it would not be allowed in the Octagon as a sponsor.  Instead of provoking scoffs or angry rebuttals, Affliction executives did not object. They asked what the UFC could do for them, and the UFC's team left the room to discuss the issue and came back with some basic proposals.  The meeting ended on good terms, with an agreement to talk the following week. 

The UFC contacted Tom Atencio the following Monday to push the issue forward and start exchanging proposals. Atencio basically brushed them off, and the UFC side assumed the deal was dead.

Over the next two weeks, a number of things happened that sent the relationship spiraling downhill.   First, Todd Beard called Randy Couture's attorney and threatened him, and left threatening voicemails for Randy and Kim Couture.  Then Affliction made a last-minute deal with EliteXC to put Andrei Arlovski on their CBS show, which further annoyed the UFC.

In the days following UFC 89 in the U.K., an Affliction representative contacted Randy Couture's attorney to see if he could put together a call with the UFC to see where the deal stood.  Couture's management put a call together for the Monday after UFC 89.  Enter Todd Beard.

Lorenzo Fertitta opened up the call by welcoming everyone on the phone, and Todd Beard started things off by angrily stating "you wanted to talk to us, what do you want?"  The call quickly descended into a war of words between Beard and Fertitta, and for the first of many times to come, a deal to take Affliction out of the fight business and put them back into the Octagon was killed.

Immediately following the call, Todd Beard went on Scott Ferrall's radio show and unleashed an outburst that eventually lead to his removal from his officer position at Affliction.  Shortly after this, Kim Couture successfully filed for a restraining order against Todd Beard.

The Kim Couture story changed the sport in a more significant way than most observers realized.  By the time the Kim Couture story broke, EliteXC had crashed and burned as a result of the Kimbo Slice scandal, and the people at Showtime and CBS were looking at a number of options to replace EliteXC on CBS.  Strikeforce was obviously in the mix, but Affliction was actually the leading contender to replace EliteXC on CBS.

As a result of that radio appearance and Beard's sordid history that was publicized as a result of the Kim Couture lawsuit, Affliction lost their chance at the deal with Showtime and CBS.

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First rate stuff as usual, Mike.

by Luke Thomas on Jul 25, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed, good stuff.

What’s the source on all this?

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by The Kittitas Kid on Jul 25, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great article!

I am consistently impressed with your writing and the topics you cover. Keep it up!

by Shatto1 on Jul 25, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed, great story.

by who me on Jul 26, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s usually a problem when one of your corporation’s top executives punches pregnant women, scams old people, and threatens fighters’ wives.

Goat 1: Tom Beard
Goat 2: Josh Barnett

by Sokonojudo on Jul 25, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you, Todd Beard

You helped too, Rome.

I’m hoping we all get to see ‘Bloody Elbow Exclusive’ more and more (BUT NOT ON THE FANPOSTS YOU MONKEYS)

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 25, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Strange how these events look from a historical perspective.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions  

In Affliction’s case it would be 20-15

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup, sounds about right to me.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 25, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I remember the Randy is back announcement

I was working at the call center that hosts all the UFC media calls (shakes fist at corrupt bastards that fired me). I begged onto the call and got to break the story to Fightlinker. That was a good day. Everyone that knew the UFC thought I was nuts for picking Brock by second round TKO. Brock Lesnar’s psychic ass back then: ‘who gives a fuck about Fedor?’

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 25, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I was heavy on Lesnar too, sir.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 25, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Everyone that knew the UFC thought I was nuts for picking Brock "

Come on subo, you’re getting to Supremacy levels of absurdity now. There were plenty of knowledgable people picking Brock to win.

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by ufc4 on Jul 25, 2009 5:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I was referring to my coworkers.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 25, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s more reasonable.

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by Richard Wade on Jul 25, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re still absurd. Not for any particular reason though.

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by ufc4 on Jul 25, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Subo is king.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 25, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s what Subo did last night

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 25, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That didn't work

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 25, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was Susan Boyle.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 25, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about WAMMA? Have they made any press releases on this, or is that their death gargle I hear in the background? Can M-1 carry ze torch, comerades?

by bubbafat on Jul 25, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s an exclusive—this is presumably original reporting.

“You read it here first folks,” caliber stuff.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Jul 25, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll take Rome’s word for it.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 25, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I'm sure it's all probably true

I’m actually pretty sure I’ve read it all elsewhere before, maybe except for the bit about affliction being in the lead for the CBS slot and psycho beard killing the deal

Just sayin, citation never hurts.

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by Paynuss on Jul 25, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The sources aren’t listed because they would only speak on the condition of anonymity.

I assure you it’s all true. I’ve had the story for sometime but had to wait until Affliction died to post it.

by Michael Rome on Jul 25, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m knee deep in a Seymour Hersh book – sourcing is for pussies.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 25, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You've got it all backwards--the anonymous sources are the pussies.

The reporter is various other unpleasant things.

Or so I’ve heard.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Jul 25, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that I’m referring to the article at hand, it’s just something I’ve heard.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Jul 25, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anonymous = fear of retaliation from the powers that be. Without them, everyone with information that actually shared it would be fired.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 25, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, the anonymous sources are the faggots.

Sheesh.

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by Sam Cupitt on Jul 26, 2009 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mind saying specifically

which parts come from anonymous sources? I expect beard killing the cbs deal

Oh and beard killing the deal with zuffa?

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by Paynuss on Jul 25, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only asking out of curiousity, mind you

not trying to poo-poo anything

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by Paynuss on Jul 25, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything.

The fact that there was a meeting became public via a MMA weekly story.

The topics of conversation, the second call, the threats to Couture, his wife, and attorney, the death of the CBS deal, and the people in the room all come from sources.

by Michael Rome on Jul 25, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, some of the stuff was on the radio

but I smell what you’re cooking

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by Paynuss on Jul 25, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rome’s got a mole. We have to sniff him out.

It was Professor Beard with a knife in the conference room.

by Sokonojudo on Jul 25, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

At the time it was undoubtedly the sport’s biggest fight, and everyone assumed Randy would be able to get out of his contract and fight Fedor

I seem to remember many people questioning just how big this fight would be and just as many saying there was no way that Randy was getting out of his contract with Zuffa. Aside from that, the rest of the article was good even though i’ve read similar versions of that story in other places but it’s good to have the full story now.

by Raker on Jul 25, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions  

You’re right, I used poor wording, I changed it to “most observers.”

As far as how big it was…well, everyone who knew anything knew how big it was. The UFC spent millions fighting to make sure it couldn’t happen.

by Michael Rome on Jul 25, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe “big” is meant as important to giving Affliction Entertainment credibility in the MMA world, not just money-wise. Sure, it would have probably tripled the buys that their first show did, but it also would have shown that they meant business and were serious about being in this for the long term. As it turned out they had to settle for a second-tier headlining match which was eventually cancelled (and I don’t care what anyone says, it was a cancellation moving it back 3 months with a new main event). The Randy-Fedor fight never came to fruition so Affliction has been looking for a way out ever since their second show flopped. It sounds strange but Tom Atencio may actually be happy that Barnett failed his drug test.

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by ufc4 on Jul 25, 2009 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Even though UFC spent millions to make sure, I still don’t believe it would of been significant in the mainstream, if the fight took place out of the UFC. The interest outside the hardcores would be low, IMO.

by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 25, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy was the legitimate UFC heavyweight champion at the time. He left as their champ, and held all of the prestige that came with it. It could’ve legitimately been marketed as Fedor, the long regarded #1 heavyweight in the world, versus Randy Couture, the UFC heavyweight titleholder.

The lineage of that title, all of the wars that had been fought over it, and all of the UFC marketing resources that had ever been poured into the UFC heavyweight division were symbolically in that title. Because Randy was still the champ, it would’ve garnered attention from even some casual fans. Randy-Fedor would’ve been the fight. All who knew MMA would have good reason to hail it with legitimacy, and it’s that type of story that would’ve gotten that fight into the media. It’s also the reason why the Champions clause exists in UFC contracts, and why it’s lunacy to suggest the UFC sign Fedor to a 1-fight deal without it.

Nice reporting Rome. Would be interested to hear anything else you can dig up.

by Meeaaat on Jul 25, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no lineage with the UFC’s Heavy Weight Title.

Frank Mir won the title, at UFC 48 in 2004, got in the motorcycle accident several months later. The UFC created an INTERIM Heavyweight Title bout with Arlovski and Tim Sylvia. The motorcycle injury was really bad, so the UFC stipped Mir of the title and just made Arlovski the undisputed title. Thus, it is not linear. Arlovski never defeated Mir.

Not to mention the fact that Josh Barnett won the title in 2002 but was stripped due to a positive test. So the UFC had to find two more fighters to fight for the vacant title. No one fought Josh Barnett, so it is not linear. Ad naseaum for the heavyweight division going back pretty far.

by mhauer on Jul 25, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re right, but that really wasn’t the point I was making. It was clear in the minds of the typical UFC fan that Couture was at the top of the heap as the current heavyweight champ, and everything that came with it.

I don’t think most fans really care that there wasn’t a clean hand off at each point in time. Especially since Mir had since had his chance at getting back into the mix, and since Barnett was stripped for a reason – I would never consider him a legitimate title holder.

by Meeaaat on Jul 25, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The linear champ is Fedor. Lesnar’s the linear middleweight champ, though.

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by Richard Wade on Jul 25, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

After getting the title, Barnett’s next loss was to Cro Cop whose next loss was Fedor.

After the accident, Mir’s next loss was to Cruz whose next loss was to Monson whose next loss was to Sylvia whose next loss was to Couture whose next loss was to Lesnar.

We all know what needs to happen.

by Jahbulon on Jul 25, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude!

You guys are missing my point :p

by Meeaaat on Jul 26, 2009 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Starting with the superfight title in the UFC = Shamrock – Severn – Coleman – Mo Smith – Couture – Inoue – Kerr – Fujita – Coleman – Nogueira – Fedor

Starting with the first UFC tournament = Gracie – Howard – Jennum – Tank Abbott – Severn – Coleman – Mo Smith – Couture – Inoue – Kerr – Fujita – Coleman – Nogueira – Fedor

Fedor is the linear champ.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 27, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Randy Fedor might have given Affliction the 300K PPV buys they needed to turn a profit on the first show. They made a lot of other mistakes and the UFC would counter program everything, but their business model was hopeless once that fight fell through and I think that’s the point of this article.

by SES 84 on Jul 25, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a pipedream it might have made half of those buys after it was all said and done. People keep confusing the name value of guys who aren’t in the UFC with their name value when are being pushed by Zuffa. Randy vs. Fedor was always a fantasy match-up that never had a chance at happening as long as Couture was under contract with Zuffa.

by Raker on Jul 26, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your making two arguments. One that it never had a chance of happening. As it turned out it couldn’t, but the amount of litigation suggests that some of the parties thought it could.

On the second, there is no doubt that Couture Fedor would have done much better numbers than Fedor Sylvia or Arlovski. Would it have gotten to 300K, who knows. Personally I think that’s an unproven concept since no UFC champion has left the UFC in recent times.

Also lets not forget that 300K is like 25% of what Randy could draw in UFC pay previews.

In short, I think Afflliction’s business model need Couture. I think they still overestimated their ability to build a brand that could compete with the UFC and they built a stable the wrong way, but Couture would have helped dramatically.

by SES 84 on Jul 26, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Fedor-Couture could’ve attained at least 300k buys if they could have gotten it done quickly enough. Randy left as the UFC heavyweight champ, and while it was fresh in the minds of fans, it would mean plenty, and translate to PPV buys.

Still though, the business model was screwed from the start. Their business model was to overpay fighters to lure them in, in the hopes that they could put on big enough events that drew enough revenue to be profitable. Problem is, the UFC had way more money, way more presence, way more legitimacy, way more experience, and a loyal rabid fanbase who bought their PPVs. That’s way too much to try to make up for in just a few events. In the off chance that they managed to be successful, the UFC had a far bigger war chest to out-market, out-program, out-roster, and just out-maneuver them. The UFC could have bought out their whole roster if they needed to in the end, and left them with dust.

by Meeaaat on Jul 26, 2009 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really well put

Randy mattered, but the business model was fatally flawed in either case

by SES 84 on Jul 26, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great article.

Even to this day, it seems like CBS is still scared about MMA. The Strikeforce’s August show would have been perfect. However, without Tito Ortiz, Strikeforce really doesn’t have one big draw.

Doesn’t Mark Cuban factor into this story a little bit too? It was Couture’s leaving that made him interested in MMA and hence why we have so much content on HDNet. Not like it matters much since HDNEt is available in basically no homes and really has no impact on the sport of MMA.

by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 25, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I have been wondering what mark cuban has been up to

struggling to keep HDNET afloat I’d reckon

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by Paynuss on Jul 25, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s a big part of the Randy story, not so much involved in this one.

by Michael Rome on Jul 25, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say no impact, maybe little, I enjoy watching dream and k1 shows free on there, more mma is great. You only need dish networks basic plan and the HD upgrade to get hdnet.

by kanodogg on Jul 25, 2009 5:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

So basically, the reason they got out stemmed from not being able to put that Couture-Fedor fight? What was the reason Attencio “brushed them off”?

by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 25, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I imagine Todd Beard put the kibosh on any deal.

by Michael Rome on Jul 25, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you think Todd Beard’s tirade would have made a difference? I don’t see Zuffa releasing Randy from his contract knowing it would have resulted in a big PPV opportunity for another promotion.

by bignerd on Jul 26, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, he’s saying Todd Beard stopped Affliction from teaming back up with the UFC from happening at that time. If Affliction bailed back then, we might have seen Fedor Randy at the time Randy/Brock happened.

by Phildo on Jul 26, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Todd Beard appears to be the reason this deal between the UFC and Affliction wasn’t reached last September.

by who me on Jul 26, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy Shit

Get sick for 48 hour period and not only is an event cancelled, the promotion is done and the body has already been stripped apart.

by bignerd on Jul 25, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions  

don’t know how much of the carcass has been picked yet….

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by Zak Woods on Jul 25, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

It’s not looking like an EliteXC process. I wonder if Coker will regret not offering Rogers, it would have delayed the collapse until he returned from vacation.

by bignerd on Jul 25, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I remember Strikeforce mentioning Showtime had to approve the deal, but Showtime was never asked if I remember correctly.

You do have a point that isn’t brought up enough. Viacom (I think it’s Viacom, could be another) is calling the shots to Strikeforce. They inherited EliteXC and choose to give the fighters to Strikeforce while they kept programming control. Strikeforce cannot sneeze without getting their TV partner’s approval.

by bignerd on Jul 26, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s CBS corp, Viacom is something different now.

by who me on Jul 26, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

We like him because of his acidity, not in spite of…

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 25, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I that bad?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 25, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're dead to me

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 25, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It was an interesting read for sure. It does confuse me that Loretta Hunt gets ripped apart for citing anonymous sources yet others get praised for writing pieces based around information from anonymous sources.

Also, I’d like to know more about this:

As a result of that radio appearance and Beard’s sordid history that was publicized as a result of the Kim Couture lawsuit, Affliction lost their chance at the deal with Showtime and CBS.

Any elaboration would be much appreciated.

by GeeDub on Jul 26, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

and for all we know he could end up ripping Rome for this story too.

by who me on Jul 26, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Todd beard would be the guy to go nuts about this one

and I’d love to see that

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by Paynuss on Jul 26, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

As did the a huge number of people on sites all across the web. I remember all the discussions on here about ethics and how unprofessional Hunt was and how sherdog has no credibility……etc.

Yet in this instance, the piece results in this comment getting green’d:

This caliber of reporting is the reason why BE is the best MMA site around.

Again, I dont have a problem with this piece itself, it just stuns me that the use of anonymous sources can be viewed so differently and elicit such opposing responses from the same community.

by GeeDub on Jul 26, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a difference between using anonymous sources as quotes in an article bashing someone or something, and using anonymous sources as background to put together something like this, which is a story that really wouldn’t be able to come out any other way.

by Phildo on Jul 26, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The key difference being that some articles are about the UFC, which inevitably gets some fans very hot and bothered, and some articles are about other organizations, which is good for the sport.

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.

by capital L on Jul 26, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Selective reasoning at its finest.

by GeeDub on Jul 26, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not really the type and scope of the article is extremely important as to what is acceptable and not as far as anonymous sources go. It is a very complicated issue that can’t just be brushed off onto organizational bias (which is what I assume you are trying to do).

by who me on Jul 26, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Todd Beard released a much publicized tirade directed at Michael Rome for unfairly blaming him for Afflictions exit from the fight game, Im pretty sure people wouldnt criticize Rome for ‘unethical journalism’ as was the case with Hunt.

by GeeDub on Jul 27, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pregnant punchers generally lose all credibility and sympathy.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 27, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not selective reasoning, it’s the way journalism works.

There is a way to use anonymous sources.

You use them to provide background info, or on the basis to tell a story that really has no way to get out.

If you’re going to use them in a hit piece (what Hunt’s article was) it should be something of serious value. The Hunt article wasn’t about anything important, it was just a shot at the UFC.

The scope and the tone of the article are what makes the difference. This is an informative article, but it doesn’t have the ability to really change anything. it tells the story of something that happened months ago. Rome’s probably been sitting for a while, if he posts this when Affliction still exists or while these negotiations are still going on, that changes everything.

by Phildo on Jul 27, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

How should one use anonymous sources? Direct quotes alongside named sources as Hunt did or nameless and quoteless as Rome did? And why wasnt Hunts piece simply a “story that really has no way to get out?”

My apologies to Michael Rome, I dont intend to slam his piece. I dont disagree or question anything he said and am not critical of either his or Hunts piece.

by GeeDub on Jul 27, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here are some quotes from the so called ‘hit piece’:

The reasoning behind the UFC’s decision varies according to the source. Some say the move is yet another strike in a campaign to separate fighters from their business representatives. Others say Zuffa is making a reasonable attempt to control unnecessary backstage traffic and lighten overcrowded dressing rooms of freeloaders.
Zuffa’s public relations department did not respond to an e-mail requesting comment on the promotion’s sudden shift in policy after eight years.
The NJACB’s Lembo said keeping the environment distraction-free and in order so that the inspectors can do their jobs is paramount. "To me, it’s not a cut and dry issue," Lembo said, "but I’m looking first to control the locker room, and I don’t believe a manager is needed back there."
Kizer said excused persons have also tried to join the procession to the ring or cage in the hallway, which becomes a safety concern, and the commission has had to enlist a second credentialing system to weed out the hangers-on.
"It all depends on your relationship with the fighter," Cox said. "If they want me backstage, they’ll ask me to be there and give me one of their credentials. If not, I have no problem getting a ticket and watching from the stands."

Whilst Hunts piece did detail the thoughts of managers who were critical of what the UFC had done, she also gave opinions of those who were on the other side of the fence and attempted to get a response from the UFC. Hardly a hit piece.

by GeeDub on Jul 27, 2009 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

The reasoning behind the UFC’s decision varies according to the source. Some say the move is yet another strike in a campaign to separate fighters from their business representatives

The crux of the hit piece. The cited sources all disagree with this. Anonymous sources are the only ones supporting it from the ones you listed.

Zuffa’s public relations department did not respond to an e-mail requesting comment on the promotion’s sudden shift in policy after eight years.

This is misleading, considering Zuffa has ignored anything from Hunt or Sherdog for years.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 27, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly the first paragraph you quoted is suggesting that some have the opinion that the UFC was doing wrong. The piece also details the other side of the coin that they are doing no wrong. Monte Cox didnt have a problem with anything that was going on and Kizer spoke of the overpopulation of unnecessary people backstage. Clearly different people have different opinions on the issue and Hunt put both forward.

I just dont understand how you can ignore the other side of the issue raised in the piece and still call it a hit piece.

by GeeDub on Jul 27, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff. It’s nice to see all this stuff in one spot, and the new stuff too. nice work.

It’s going to be hard to convince the trolls that frequent mma sites on the internet that this isn’t entirely Barnett’s fault, so it’s nice to see someone doing something besides, lol barnett killed affliction.

by Phildo on Jul 25, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Totally agree. Affliction was a flawed concept and vulnerable to this sort of thing. What if Barnett blew out his knee or Fedor failed to get a work permit or something like that. Of course Barnett is to blame for bad doping, but Affliction had bad structure and took a risk on a known doper.

by SES 84 on Jul 25, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff as always Romey.

I forgot how much hype was around the Fedor/Couture saga. I remember that first picture Affliction made right before they announced they were getting into the promoting; Randy and Fedor staring each other down and it got me sooooo excited. Unfortunatly, Brock came in and beat Randy but it’ll be interesting how the Heavyweight division pans out in the next few years.

Didn’t Todd Beard say something like, “I hope Brock kills you” or something like that? Yeah, that guy was a dumbass. It’s a shame because I really think Atencio at the end of the day is a good guy and I hoped Affliction could have gotten some traction.

by Zack Gobie on Jul 25, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Really interesting piece.

by SES 84 on Jul 25, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I remember this meeting

But at the time it was speculated that the meeting was about Affliction folding as a promotion and rejoining the UFC.

by bignerd on Jul 26, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Great stuff, mate. Huge story here.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jul 26, 2009 1:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Now lettuce all remember that the real tragedy here is that we didn’t get to witness the twisted logic WAMMA would of had to dig up to justify Vitor Belfort as a worthy challenger for the WAMMA heavyweight title.

"Japan panics about the rise of "grass-eating men," who shun sex, don’t spend money, and like taking walks."

Did they all get married?

- Ubernoober

by Sam Cupitt on Jul 26, 2009 3:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we are closer than ever to seeing Fedor/Randy become a reality. First Brock vs. Fedor needs to happen and win or lose I think Randy will get to fight Fedor. Sadly, I dont think Randy will be able to be as competitive with Fedor as he would have been several years ago when he was fighting more often.

by Bandaka on Jul 26, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

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