Strikeforce-Affliction Deal Collapsed Because CEO Scott Coker Was Traveling
by Kid Nate on Jul 25, 2009 1:04 AM EDT
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From Matt Bishop at MMA for Real whose interview with Kevin Iole broke the story:
Iole said said Affliction had approached the UFC about merging the week before UFC 100.
This came after Iole reported a potential merger of sorts between Affliction and Strikeforce, which was brewing early in the week, even prior to Barnett's drug test failure, Iole said.
"Somehow that fell apart," Iole said. "I think it was because Scott Coker, the CEO of Strikeforce, was out of the country and the paperwork wasn't signed," Iole said.
"Right now, I'm not exactly sure how that fell apart, but at the last minute it crumbled, so it opened the door for the UFC."
Iole adds more at his own column:
Later in the day, Affliction came to terms on a deal in which it would quit promoting fight cards. However, the status of the fighter contracts belonging to Affliction is unknown.
They could revert to the UFC or they could become free agents, able to sign with the promoter of their choice.
I said it before and I'll say it again: Scott Coker picked the wrong week to go on vacation.
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Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm so fucking happy
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by subo on Jul 24, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Subo, sub osu bos ubosu bo subo subo sub osubosub os ubosubosubos.
by goodbones on Jul 24, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC was already in control of the sport. Despite the hardcore fans hating on them all the time, they were already the sport.
Today, they just sent out a message to their biggest haters that they ARE the sport.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 24, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
they are NOT the sport
The Gracies were not the sport.
PRIDE was not the sport.
Dana White certainly isn’t.
the sport goes back to ancient greece and hopefully won’t have another 2,000 years between good periods.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s all fine and good but from now on when you think of mma it’ll equal UFC, they’ve made their plans clear they are going to take this sport world wide and when they do it’ll be the letters UFC that represent and signify what MMA is to pretty much everyone.
by Raker on Jul 24, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like a boot of stupidity stomping on the face of mankind, forever.
The UFC is clearly the dominant promotion. But just because the MLB is the dominant baseball promotion, people don’t walk around saying “Hey you wanna watch some MLB today?” “You wannt go see the Minor League MLB game next weekend?” “I’ve got a cousin who is good at MLB”
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get your point, but hardly anybody used the term “MLB” before the advent of the Internet.
by madiq on Jul 24, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that I think of it though, I understand that in Japan “K-1” is often used interchangeable for all sorts of fight-sport (probably excluding boxing), so who knows. I have no problem with the UFC, Zuffa, Dana White and the Fertitas being the ultimate promoters, but I would hope that fans wouldn’t be excited at the prospect of calling the sport “Ultimate Fighting.” Mixed Martial Arts is bad enough on its own, but Ultimate Fighting?
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People in this country don’t love Professional Football they love NFL. You are 100% correct the NFL is not the sport of football but it is the common usage. Most people who are not members of BE do not know what MMA is but a large percentage of them know what the UFC is.
by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
College football?
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear that's kinda popular in the South.
Maybe it will catch on someday.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 25, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fact, if somebody ever told me their favorite sport was NFL I'd assume they didn't know jack about football.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you really expect the sport to grow to world wide (or even nationwide) prominence, you’d have to hope that people grow to the point where they can distinguish between the sport of MMA and the UFC. There will undoubtedly be a roll for smaller players: amature, regional, feeder, and so on, and the UFC is not going to attach their name to every one of them.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean Ultimate Fighting right?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean human cockfighting?
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting, MMA is beating out ultimate fighting, would have sworn I saw something different a few days ago.
Google trends is addicting.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock Lesnar, Josh Barnett, Steroids, Fedor
Brock Lesnar!
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Steoids, huh?
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by Richard Wade on Jul 25, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is the new designer version, it can even fool Google.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 25, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I’m reading that right, far more searches were happening for UFC & MMA a few years ago when there was very little coverage, and now there is lots of coverage and relatively far less searches? Huh?
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People don’t have to go stumbling around in the dark to find MMA news anymore.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ultimate Fighting was pushed as a term more back then, and more people searched ultimate fighting championship than UFC.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also a good point. The graphs seemed counterintuitive at first glance.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have an extra step in there…
nobody thinks “MMA”… the thought always starts with “UFC”.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true, but if the sport actually becomes mainstream, the distinction will become ever more important. How else to describe a guy who you’ve seen and think could go to to the big show? “This guy I saw on youtube, he’s really good. I think he could go to the UFC! The real UFC!”
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The more I think about it, it is quite likely that the whole kaboodle will become known as ultimate fighting.
I suppose I was just thinking wishfully. We’ve got to call it something after all, and people seem strangely happy with ultimate fighting.
Out of all the options it just seems sorta weak, but you can’t fight the market.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the general public calls it UFC then its UFC. Why is there such an investment with the term MMA?
by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A bunch of casual fans aren’t going to convince me to call the whole sport the ultimate fighting championship. Not unless Arnold Schwarzenegger is going to be fighting a giant snake.
As far as mixed martial arts goes, I’m not attached to it. It’s better than ultimate fighting or no holds barred. Personally, I was rooting for vale tudo, pankration, or shooto, but those are all foreign (and latterly, somewhat proprietary in its own right).
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just remembered another one that I’m glad didn’t stick: cage fighting.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Some buddies and I are going to go play some NFL on the beach this weekend. Maybe even a little NBA in my driveway afterward.”
That is why we call it MMA, and not UFC. To do otherwise would make no sense. End. Of. Story.
by a tommy point on Jul 24, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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What you and your “buddies” do on the beach is your own business. N"Football"L, N"Basketball"A, "UltimateFighting"C.
by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re saying you think Free Fighting is the best thing to call it then. I can live with that.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really doesn’t matter what you think.
Go out on the street and ask the first 10 young men you see if they know what mma is, then ask them if they know what ufc is.
It doesn’t matter what you think or what you wish, the term UFC is more popular than the term MMA.
by Phildo on Jul 24, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet I could learn a lot of stupid stuff by asking the first 10 people I met on the street. Point me to a reputable news/blog site that refers to the entire sport as ultimate fighting. (Yahoo and UFC.com excepted)
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez, tone down the doucheyness.
The question was:
Why is there such an investment with the term MMA?
My answer was that it makes grammatical, as well as logical, sense. I don’t care if you think my opinion matters or not.
by a tommy point on Jul 24, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now hear this:
From the UFC itself: WHAT is the ENTITY of the UFC® [ULTIMATE FIGHTING CHAMPIONSHIP®]?
The entity of the UFC [Ultimate Fighting Championship] is the world’s leading mixed martial arts sports organization, formed in January, 2001 by Zuffa, LLC. The UFC features a strong ownership and a depth of management experience across a spectrum of live event sports, television production and ancillary business development. The New UFC is positioned well for the future as the standard bearer for the evolving and exciting sport of mixed martial arts.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s fine, ask Johnson and Johnson what type of product they make to put on cuts and scrapes, ask 10 little kids what they get when they get a boo boo. Johnson and Johnson will say they sell adhesive bandages, the kids will say band-aids, people know the term UFC more than they know MMA.
Have you really never had to tell anyone that you are a fan of ultimate fighting or that you spent your Saturday Night watching Ultimate fighting?
by Phildo on Jul 24, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
All my friends who watch mixed martial arts are either informed enough to call it MMA, humorous to call it vale tudo or something else facetious, or not well informed for them to enjoy watching fights with me very long.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not talking about the people you watch it with, what about your coworkers, what about random people you meet at a bar, if everyone you know calls the sport MMA, you are a very special case.
by Phildo on Jul 24, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see, I see. The only person at my firm (and granted it’s a pretty small office and I’m the youngest person there by far) that knows anything at all about the UFC only knows about the UFC itself. However, he doesn’t know anything at all about it other than the facts that it exists and it involves fighting.
That certainly agrees with your point that people only know about the UFC, not MMA.
It doesn’t refute my theory that, should the sport actually become “mainstream” fans should be expected to distinuish between the UFC and the sport in general. I suppose if the sport actually becomes known as ultimate fighting that people will still be able to tell the difference between ultimate fighting and UFC.
I certainly don’t disagree that people will call it exactly what people will call it (market forces and whatnot). I think that as the sport grows and pretty much all media sources, including the UFC itself, describe the sport as MMA, that that term will catch on with the general public as well.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The term MMA was coined by a pro wrestler to describe his worked matches.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock Lesnar!
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The original super chin!
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a fun fact
any documentation? I’d like to be able to prove it at people.
Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
by Paynuss on Jul 25, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The truth is, the term MMA is actually a pro wrestling term coined in the 70s by Antonio Inoki and Hisashi Shinma for Inoki’s worked matches against people like Chuck Wepner, Willem Ruska and Mike Dayton, as well as his famous match with Muhammad Ali which wasn’t exactly worked. Its original meaning is a match (with a predetermined outcome) between a pro wrestler and a fighter from a martial art held on Japanese network television.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 25, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Xerox didn’t invent photocopying either.
by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No truer words have been spoken on this site…
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except for “Affliction will not have a 4th show”
by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or a 3rd, for that matter
Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
by Paynuss on Jul 24, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I need to copy and paste all of the LOL’s in response to those suggestions. They are many.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 25, 2009 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be in your debt.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 25, 2009 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This will go down in history as the greatest day in the history of MMA….i mean UFC. On a side note i can’t wait to hear Bruce Buffer introduce “The former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion and Future UFC Hall of Famer…The Huntington Beach Bad Boy…Tito Ortiz”
by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
UFC is the kings of opportunity they saw a chance to tighting its grip on MMA and they pulled the trigger. Strikefroce just got smaller. Losing the Affliction roster hurts them bad in the long run.
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
by pitbull187 on Jul 24, 2009 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most of the Affiliction “roster” will not be in the UFC at all.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can BE do an Affliction Imagnary Liveblog on the 1st?
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Can SuPrEmAcY be in charge of it
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Bullshit. In a world of video conferencing and chartered jets, it’s naive to think that a deal fell apart simply because Coker was in Europe.
by Jahbulon on Jul 24, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Iole only ever prints the truth!
Seriously though, why wouldn’t Iole blame Strikeforce? This seems like a very logical move.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn’t there also be an 11-hour time difference as well?
by madiq on Jul 24, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d. I’m in total agreement.
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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you rather have your product(T-shirts) on Strikeforce fighters or UFC fighters?
by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want my T-shirt on Gina Carano, and I want it to be see-through.
by Chromium on Jul 24, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I was going to say they didn’t make men’s clothing. But they do,the joke still stands.
by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% truth
Words cannot express how dumb the premise of this story is
Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
by Paynuss on Jul 24, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too true
I would be highly surprised that Strikeforce management wouldn’t in ANY POSSIBLE WAY be able to contact Coker just because he was on vacation. It really is hard to believe.
by chrisbboy82 on Jul 25, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no kidding. That’s ridiculous to think it fell apart that way, he’s got a world phone. These internets “journalists” sure love to jump to conclusions.
by allelbows on Jul 26, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, talk about one odd way for a massive deal to fall through. I still think there’s more to this than we’re hearing so far. It just all seems strange to me…
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by pud333 on Jul 24, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s a possibility it had more to do with the pricey contracts.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 24, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The fighters training for the fight, expecting a payday,
Are those who lost big today…
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 24, 2009 10:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Deal didnt fall apart because of coker… Affliction wanted back in the UFC and they made sure they got it.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You can only cut multi-million dollar deals with people who are 3 time zones away or less. That’s why the UFC is having so much trouble getting into Japan.
by Jahbulon on Jul 24, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's also why K-1 Dynamite USA was so astounding
Lets hear it for Warcraft!
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“We got any Warcraft fans? We got any Warcraft fans in the house?”
What the holy motherfuck were they thinking with that DJ?
by Chromium on Jul 24, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To normal civilization UFC is the “Sport”…
We are now witnessing UFC becoming the “sport” in the “hardcore MMA” civilization.
I said a few weeks ago Zuffas got a warchest and things are growing faster than anticipated. Pretty soon even the Zuffa haters like smoogy will give up and admit UFC is the “NBA”, NFL, etc…
I CAN GAURANTEE YOU ONE THING:
The bloody elbow/USA Today rankings will need to eliminate a column.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As far as I'm concerned
The UFC has been the NFL since Pride collapsed (arguably before, but certainly not any later), but that doesn’t make it the whole sport. There’s always the periphery, the amateurs, the feeder leagues. These things are part of the sport as well, even if they are not the primary emphasis.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if UFC signs
Shinya Aoki and legalizes grappling pants, I’m all for it.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Admit it, you enjoy being “that fan”.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you’re right.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bloody elbow/USA Today rankings will need to eliminate a column
The org column, ya?
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
smoogy is a hater to the end
he hated himself all the way out of a BE membership.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoggy’s banning restored my faith in BE.
by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what happened to all the “Brock Lesnar hurt my feelings” stories?
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You haven't seen the last of those
I assure you.
…unless brock dies or retires before his next fight.
Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
by Paynuss on Jul 24, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are waiting for Brock Lesnar to “grease” while him and Dana say bad words.
by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock Lesnar, Brock Lesnar, Brock Lesnar.
Josh Barnett, steroids, Fedor.
Kevin Iole, Kevin Iole, Kevin Iole.
UFC.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mi brane hoortz
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 25, 2009 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When will we know the contract situation?
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Jul 24, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I kinda find it hard to believe that the fighters don’t have some kind of clause where they get at least their show money if the event gets canceled. I mean, c’mon. With an organization as unstable as Affliction you’d think you’d have some kind of clause in there to that effect.
by toxic on Jul 24, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard to put that in when some of these fighters signed their deals before the first show was cancelled.
by Phildo on Jul 24, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a huge surprise, but there are reports that Strikeforce is currently talking to Fedor’s people about a long term deal. While its doubtful that he could make as much money as the in the UFC, keep in mind that it would be a non-exclusive deal which would let him take dates in Japan.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Out to kill another promotion eh?
Rings Pride Bodog Affliction Strikeforce
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce getting fedor would be about the dumbest business move they could make. and they rarely make dumb moves.
If strikeforce had money they would have went after Tito.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh, am I sitting on the world’s best story. Strikeforce tried and Tito whored them.
For all of the heat Tito takes, he deftly used the desperation of the UFC’s now defunct competitors for exposure and to keep his name rotating until they collapsed. Now he’s back with the UFC.
Not too shabby, Tito.
by Luke Thomas on Jul 24, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he really played the whole game rather smoothly.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real story is why Chad Dukes wants Brent to shit in his hat?
by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ofcourse they tried, but to strikeforces credit they can only do so much where it doesnt make business sense anymore.
Signing Fedor and Subsidizing FInkies Promotional dreams makes worse business sense.
So before Strikeforce becomes dumb enough to sign fedor they would of first went beyond reason with Tito.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
mmalogic as always is correct. Strikeforce will not sign Fedor. First, they can’t afford him. Secondly, if they do, they will paint a huge bullseye on their back as Zuffa attacks them until they are out of business. The UFC will use their money to steal their fighters until they have less talent then King of the Cage.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 24, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well logic, apparently you didn’t hear, he DID sign with Strikeforce and his next fight will be on CBS:
http://mmamania.com/2009/03/22/tito-ortiz-next-fight-for-strikeforce-on-cbs/
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also From MMA Fanhouse:
I think there’s a real chance that Strikeforce will get Fedor: I’m told that Fedor likes Strikeforce better than the UFC, largely because he thinks a Strikeforce contract will offer him more flexibility than a UFC contract will. I wouldn’t even totally rule out the possibility of Fedor fighting on the August 15 Strikeforce card, which would be an amazing turn of events. Remember, a very good heavyweight, Fabricio Werdum, is scheduled to fight on the Strikeforce card and doesn’t have an opponent because of the injury to Alistair Overeem.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dream away, man.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not Dream? Fedor Vs Super Hulk Champion for the annual New Years Freakshow
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MINOWAWAWAWAMAN
by boston crab!
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minowaman by grabbing a limb and twisting it slightly
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey maybe it would kill off Strikeforce—maybe he’s secretly working a very long angle on us all!
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you absolutely dont want strikeforce to be in business in a year absolutely lobby for Fedor to go there.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They’ll go broke paying him (and whoever his opponent is)
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will you please link? This is a constant problem.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 25, 2009 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This report is about as stupid as you saying you called EA offices and then later admitting that you lied. You dont provide a link because its from a joke source and you dont have the common sense to realize that fedors camp has been on a FUCKING PLANE WHEN MOST OF THIS WAS HAPPENING AND COKER IS IN ITALY.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Actually, I did realize that, still doesn’t mean that wasn’t reported.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 25, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice dodge of the fact that you lied about calling EA.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 25, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because you put words in
one of thesedoes not make it an actual quote.
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by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There’s a reason why Tito is back…
Things are happening right now that if you’re not under the Zuffa umbrella you wont matter in the industry.
This has always been true to an extent but it is becoming more apparent by multitudes.
I said people were missing the ball on the implications of the UFC Fan Expo being a success. This has so many game changing implications. But people were too busy talking about Kimo being dead, Brock fucking his wife, etc…
We are all part of great moments in this sports history transpiring right infront of our eyes.
Imagine if Dr. Martin Luther King could see the Obama movement… This is what we are witnessing in our own struggle.
Band with me brothers as we march forward!
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Preach
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the neat part is that the stabilization of the upper echelons of the sport should quickly lead to improvements all the way down the chain! It’s gonna get better through and through.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happens is Dana & Lorenzu get killed base jumping off of the Mandalay Bay?
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if Lorenzu is a typo or intentional, but I like it. Better than “Fedro,” even.
by An Old Friend on Jul 25, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They did say they wanted to expand into Japan.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 25, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I’m happy for you and you guys are doing a great job, but you’re breathing the fumes a bit at the moment.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah, this is going to amazing levels of hyperbole.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, Yeah UFC's a solid #2, but if Strikeforce gets Fedor, they have CBS/Showtime Marketing and if they can land some guys like Buentello and Yvel, they suddenly have a HW Division of
Fedor
Overeem
Werdum
Buentello
Yvel
RICKSON
Rogers
Lashley?
That’s not bad at all.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFC's an obvious #1, meant to say strikeforce is a solid #2.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...
What the fuck are you talking about?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 25, 2009 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You had a bad day today.
That is a dogshit HW division, with the #1 HW and a bunch of guys not in the top ten.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 25, 2009 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is Sup level fiction
Three guys are actually in that division of the eight he listed. That’s pure madness. RICKSON??? D0000000… Wut?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 25, 2009 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC party line rhetoric in BE comment section has been too thick of late. Making this place a little less fun to read when every other response is “UFC #1! UFC SMASH! UGGA UGGA!”.
by a tommy point on Jul 24, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get it right, it is “DANA KING! OOK! OOK!”
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has been a bit thick lately, but you have to admit it has been a good couple of days for those of us siding with the Evil Empire.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By and large, I love the UFC. The shows are consistently great, incredible roster of fighters, etc. Their success is well-deserved.
I just think that all of this constant yammering by fanboys, and even posters who are bought and paid for, adds little to nothing to the conversation. In some instances, yes, defending the UFC to the hilt is all well and good. However, it seems like the only way some of these fans will be happy is if the rest of us just poke out our eyes and tattoo Dana White’s face on our collective asses should we even dare cast a critical eye in the UFC’s direction.
by a tommy point on Jul 24, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just keep in mind
It’s mostly backlash.
Think about it.
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by Paynuss on Jul 25, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, you have to give mmalogic a little space to gloat today.
He had the entire internet calling him out over his fanpost that said that Affliction 2 was Affliction’s last show.
Since then he’s had to put up with constant posts talking about how great Affliction 3 was going to be and how he didn’t know anything, when it’s pretty obvious that he’s some sort of industry insider, and while he might not be 100% accurate, he has a clue with what’s going on.
by Phildo on Jul 25, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So…
He predicted that Josh Barnett’s positive steroid test would collapse the whole damn show 11 days before it would have been held back a few monhs ago?
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he was wrong on that one, but let the man have his fun.
by Phildo on Jul 25, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be like me gloating about picking Bisping against Hendo if Hendo broke his ankle climbing into the Octagon.
Affliction 3 was going to happen, until all this happened.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This conveniently neglects the fact that they offered to fold to Dana on July 13th – well before the Barnett positive test.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 25, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m convinced they were looking for a way out all along.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
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by Richard Wade on Jul 25, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To repeat a point I made in a different thread, focusing on Barnett as the reason for the demise of Affliction is like singling out pneumonia as the cause of death for an AIDS patient.
by Jahbulon on Jul 25, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but if they had squeezed out one more show, his prediction would have been off by a significant number of shows.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 25, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your AIDS patient with pneumonia was walking to the hospital and he got run over by a dump truck.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Affliction 3 was going to be great. I’m not sure why anyone would take offense to that notion, even mmalogic. In fact, I doubt that he did.
mmalogic’s interests are bit different than the rest of us fans’. For instance, I’m interested in seeing as much high quality MMA as possible, regardless of how well or poorly the promotion may be run behind the scenes. You can’t exactly say the same for him, unless it’s under the Zuffa banner, of course.
by a tommy point on Jul 25, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can’t assume that everyone who criticized Affliction did so because they wanted to see UFC dominance. Affliction did not have a sustainable business model and at the end of the day their existence has made it less likely that we will see a true rival to the UFC. Affliction gave us two cards of high quality MMA, but who knows how many cards we won’t see because of the effect Affliction’s failure is having on potential investors.
by Jahbulon on Jul 25, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I make such an assumption about “everyone who criticized Affliction”? I was speaking about mmalogic alone. While it’s possible that I could be mistaken, I believe I represented his position in an accurate and fair manner based on what I’ve seen him state in the past.
I’ve never been in denial of Affliction’s wild spending and general lack of direction. I just haven’t minded it all that much because the result was an extra two cards of great MMA action that I otherwise wouldn’t have gotten to see. Another promotion will pop up, fighters will find one more group of investors who want to make a big splash and grab some market share right off the bat. They’ll fail, too. But I’ll at least have gotten to watch a couple more good shows.
Maybe there will be a group smart enough, like Strikeforce, and well financed enough to put on big shows, with big stars, the right way in the future. Until I see those people come together, though, I’ll just sit back and enjoy each card as it comes.
by a tommy point on Jul 25, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt
We’re all upset that show went up in flames, but this is the best thing for the fighters that were held hostage by a promotion that cancelled half of their shows and glued them to the pine. The model was unsustainable. It’s the death of the last remaining major US promotion that had an abusive and unreasonable economic model. This isn’t grave dancing; this is hope for a better future.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 25, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 25, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This argument is completely senseless
The idea that there needs to be diplomacy in MMA fandom is comedy. The success of the UFC is the success of the industry. The death of Affliction is the loss of additional programming, but the beating of the UFC war drum is to say that while blood is on the ground, we’re stronger now than we were before. We lost a trooper, but there are hawks in the sky. Don’t be so macabre…
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 25, 2009 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
To be honest, I’m pretty surprised that everyone here has handled this as well as they have. I expected flameouts, frankly.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 25, 2009 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's an overtone
It’s worse than deliberate anger, honestly. You can’t love MMA and love UFC more than other promotions. There are excellent political examples, but they’re evident enough that I don’t need to be specific. I don’t personally understand the sympathetic view. They knew when to hold em and when to fold em. They done good. Affliction makes bank off of their apparel. Atencio isn’t posting up at a soup kitchen in Chino right now, believe you me..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 25, 2009 3:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well our side won, i can see how that is discouraging but it is what it is.
by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I almost want to rec this for reminding me just how needlessly confrontational fandom is.
My side is good MMA. Or good ultimate fighting, whatever. As long as it is good. And then better than that. I’m not sure how you can side against that.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now my side isn’t just the good side, it’s the only side.
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I don't think ANYONE liked Affliction's Business model.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody cared about Affliction, it was always just a hatred towards the UFC which i found curious for suppossed MMA fans. Its like me debating that Japanes Baseball is better than MLB, its a silly argument.
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now, My question is: Why would you say something like "My side is the only side" after a company nobody thought would succeed died.
Why do we even have to pick sides?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that the sport is best served with one premier org. The whole myside their side was just to have fun at the UFC haters. If Affliction has the majority of top fighters i would call them my side.
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that the sport is best served with one premier org.
Is it?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on the evidence at hand i would say yes. Is it a proven fact no.
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may be good in terms of public awareness, but it's not really good for the fighters
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe thetr isn’t a market for everybody and their brother who decides they want to be a fighter. In the long-term public awareness is the key to financially successful athletes.
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pay goes down and media rights go down in a 1 org system
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every fighter in every UFC card ever got paid more than the fighters at Affliction: Trilogy.
by Phildo on Jul 24, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Did you just say that? Affliction’s biggest problem was OVERPAYING people.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except they paid all the fighters from trilogy a big fat 0.
You can’t complain about pay going down with one company when that’s the alternative. The UFC’s low pay is better than Affliction’s no pay.
by Phildo on Jul 24, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Buentello probably made more in the last year than he did throughout a lot of his entire career.
That said, I think a big enough organization would allow for better fighter organization, as it has in other monolithic sports.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but how much of that was washed away preparing for his fight next weekend?
I’m not saying that some people were helped by Affliction, it was good. But lots of people were also screwed by them.
by Phildo on Jul 24, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...But we all agree that Affliction had a bad business plan?
I’m really not sure what you’re getting at.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m getting at the fact that 1 big UFC is better for the fighters than people who don’t know what they’re doing screwing things up.
by Phildo on Jul 24, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana White and Scott Coker is better than just Dana White.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 25, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s true, but they aren’t even on the same level, and they aren’t trying to be on the same level.
that’s why Scott Coker will still be promoting mma in a year.
by Phildo on Jul 25, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes, but by making smart business decisions strikeforce can grow to a higher level
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 25, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why though?
There is a void in the mma world, the mma world needs people to feed fighters into the UFC and they need a place for good fighters who have a bad run in the UFC to go fight.
No one has ever been successful being on the level with the UFC. Whether it’s because the wrong people have been doing it or because they can’t take the heat from when the UFC fights back to defend their turf, or a combination of both.
Why take the risk? If every person that opened a diner tried to be the next McDonalds, there wouldn’t be very many local diners around.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
by Phildo on Jul 25, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly! In my mind, Strikeforce can/will/should be the premier B-level promotion for the west coast, if not the entire US, and that could be a very entertaining and profitable business to be in.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 25, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don’t always screw it up in such a spectacularly harmful fashion, of course. The IFL never hurt nobody.
Flip side: BodogFIGHT, WFL, EliteXC: all terrible endings.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 25, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Jay Hieron if the IFL didn’t hurt him.
by Phildo on Jul 25, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My ULTIMATE hope is that the the choice isn’t high paying org. that will go out of business or mind the UFC co. line, but rather: an honest and well developed amateur and feeder circuit, out of which the best talent will land in the UFC for big time media exposure and paydays. The transition in and out of the big time need not be so tramautic. The collapse of an ancilliary organization need not be so difficult to overcome.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 25, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The UFC may calm down a bit when they run out of competing orgs to kill.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 25, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The collapse of any organization is never going to be easy to overcome for those who are tied down to it.
We don’t here about it when it’s a smaller org because we don’t know the names, but I’m sure a ton of people were screwed when NFL Europa shut down, and a ton of people were screwed when the AFL didn’t play this past season, but those aren’t the bigger named people so we don’t hear about it.
The key would be for all the people promoting mma to do it to their ability, and not jump in over your head, because when you drown, you’re going to take a whole bunch of people down with you.
by Phildo on Jul 25, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can’t disagree with that at all.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 25, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a bigger issue when successful athletes get screwed, just as it is when successful anybody anywhere gets screwed.
In my little conception of the MMA landscape, the ancillary organizations are (as you noted) not holding down very many top talents, as they would tend to rise up to the larger organizations and ultimately the UFC.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 25, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that the fighters will finally get their full piece of the pie when the Zuffa product is so big that their very size can’t be ignored.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But training for x months leading up to a fight and then getting it canceled 8 days out is?
In theory, competition is good for the consumer and the workers, but when the competition sucks, it’s not really worth it.
Good competition that brings about good things. Competition for the sake of competition isn’t necessarily a good thing.
by Phildo on Jul 24, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, lemme rephrase
“I would take 3 well run big companies than 1 well run big company”
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, so would most people, but I think it’s time to face reality, and reality is that no one else can do what Zuffa does. If it could be done, it would have been done by now.
3 well run big companies is better than 1. But 1 by itself is better than 1 and a bunch of crappy companies.
by Phildo on Jul 24, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the UFC ever really got to the level of the NFL (not in comparison to the NFL, but within the sport of ultimate fighting), I think things like a fighters union and a well organized amateur and feeder circuit could actually happen.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I would be all for a fighter's union
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that just can’t happen in the current fragmented climate. I don’t know that it happens in the future either, but I think that it would be more feasible.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re right, look how poorly those NBA players are doing.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...But they have a union
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is if the organization in question “acts right,” if you will, and I think by and large the UFC has, both from a sport standpoint and from a business standpoint. When I think they are off base and criticize their practices, it’s not hatred, any more than it is when I criticize UNC’s futile football team or NASCAR’s weak sauce culture changes.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People who confuse legitimate criticism as hatred are just as trollish as the trolls they are on constant vigil against.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Legitimate criticism is fine and needed. Extolling the virtues of a crappy org is something else.
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by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m on the side that I hate stupidity, and from my experience on the vast interwebs, the “i hate zuffa” trolls tend to be a whole lot stupider than the “i love zuffa” trolls.
So I find myself on the zuffa-lover side more often than the zuffa hater side, but I won’t complain about a good fight.
by Phildo on Jul 24, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are both pretty darn stupid.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, don’t talk that way about subo and supremacy, you’re gonna hurt their feelings.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck all that – I feel vindicated today. Everyone here combined couldn’t bring me down.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 25, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me from someone who's meh, they're both pretty stupid
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm rec'ing this for the title
It doesn’t quantify that we’re all rooting for Dana to buy a bigger house. The people that root against Zuffa are the one’s that should be scrutinized. Yet, the fact that there are more of us that side with reason, somehow renders those individuals as victims.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 25, 2009 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I get an AMEN?!?!?!
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AMEN!
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Testify Sista!
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 25, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well its always a shame to see people lose their job but I can’t help but think this is better overall for the sport. In all honesty I wish a lot of Affliction fighters go to Strikeforce if not only because the UFC doesn’t want them but to keep me in MMA action in a < month time schedule. Shit if it was up to me I’d watch it daily if the action was good.
I hope that this means we can see some really interesting matchups no matter under which banner.
by pr0cs on Jul 24, 2009 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Scott Coker picked the wrong week to go on vacation quit sniffing glue
by woooburn on Jul 25, 2009 12:23 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm tired of hearing about how great Affliction was for the fighters
Great, they paid a dozen or so guys a ton of money, so what? While Paul Buentello was busy getting rich what good did that do for the thousands of other pro MMA fighters in the world? I don’t want to hear about how great it was that Affliction paid these fighters so much money compared to the UFC. While 0.000001% of the MMA universe got six or seven figures deals the UFC was busy letting dozens upon dozens of other fighters live their dream while not having to worry about whether or not their company would go out of business after their next fight. I’m glad Matt Lindland got one more big payday, meanwhile Matt Grice still has a job.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 25, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Brock LESNARRRRRR!
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 25, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Iole updated his report with a note that Zuffa will likely absorb all of Affliction’s contracts except for Fedor as part of the deal.
I’m not sure how that would go. If the UFC could cherry pick they’d take Fedor and Belfort for sure, probably Mousasi and maybe Gomi, Santiago and Babalu. Would they even want anyone else?
by rabrown on Jul 25, 2009 1:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All this talk about the fighters losing in the end...
Hey, what about the fans? You know, the guys who have to pay $45 to watch the PPV?
Sure, one org dominating may hurt some fighters, I think it’s debatable that it hurts everyone. The top fighters will get paid regardless. However, at least the middle of the road fighters won’t have to worry if they will get paid or whether their next fight may be canceled. What’s better: a high pay day that may or may not exist, or a good pay with sponsorship on an event that absolutely will happen? Let’s be honest here, Affliction blew up the MMA pay scale. They created an artificial bubble not like the dot-com boom; the bubbles finally burst.
The bottom line is I don’t care about the fighters. They are making damn good money. I don’t know them, and I’m sure they couldn’t care less that about how much I get paid either. As a fan, I’d rather pay for one PPV event a month than pay for 2-3 events just to watch all the best fighters and then even get a chance to watch the best fight the best. Maybe I’m selfish, but I’d rather worry about my own pocketbook than worry about fighters who on average makes far more than the average MMA fan doing something they love. Not many of us can say we get paid for doing something we love. So excuse me while I not cry a tear for Barnett or Fedor not getting their multi-million dollar pay day and rejoice at the fact that I only need to pay for one PPV a month to watch the best fighters,all under one organization—the way it should be all along.
by cyph on Jul 25, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Ein PPV, Ein Org., Ein LESNARRRRRRRRR
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 25, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spam much?
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by Paynuss on Jul 25, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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