Kevin Iole Reports That Affliction Will Return to UFC as a Sponsor, Rumored Affliction-Strikeforce Deal off
by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2009 7:53 PM EDT
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Matt Bishop of MMA for Real had Kevin Iole on his Lights Out Radio show and broke the news that Affliction will be returning to the UFC as a sponsor.
Iole has updated his earlier post that reported an Affliction - Strikeforce merger to remove any reference to that and update with this instead:
Later on Friday, Affliction opted to get out of the promoting business and, in a joint statement with the Ultimate Fighting Championship, announced it would become a sponsor of the UFC. The fate of the fighters under contract with Affliction is not known yet.
Here's what Iole originally posted only hours ago:
Affliction itself is fighting simply for survival. Several sources have said that Affliction and Strikeforce will have some type of merger with Strikeforce retaining its name. Affliction’s Tom Atencio denied any merger is imminent, and Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker is in Italy on vacation and couldn’t be reached for comment.
However, two independent sources told Yahoo! Sports a deal is either completed or on the verge of completion.
White said an Affliction attorney flew to Las Vegas only days after UFC 100 and offered to fold and turn its contracts over to the UFC if the UFC would remove its ban on its fighters wearing Affliction T-shirts.
"I told him, ‘I hope you idiots stay in business,’ " White said. "We had a record year in 2007. We had a record year in 2008. And we’re going to have an even bigger record year in 2009. I said, ‘I hope you … stay around in 2010 and burn every dollar you have.’ What they do is of no concern to me."
This is a major major news shakeup. Only hours ago it appeared that Scott Coker and Strikeforce were on the verge of dramtically solidifying their position as the undisputed #2 MMA promotion in the U.S. and now it appears that the UFC is further ahead than ever. Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker picked the wrong week to go to Italy on vacation.
Iole is also teasing hard that Dana White will make a major announcement on ESPN radio 1100 Las Vegas tonight at 9pm EDT. Speculation is heavy that that announcement might relate to yesterday's Bloody Elbow exclusive news of ESPN officials attending UFC 100.
UPDATE Commentary by Michael Rome:
Fans have already started speculating as to what this will mean for the fighters under contract to Affliction. Make no mistake, this is a bad day for fighters that had an alternative promotion willing to overpay them for their services. One hopes the UFC will back off its draconian ban of any fighter that signed with EA Sports, though it's understandable that they don't want to promote anyone appearing in a rival company's game.
This quote may explain why the earlier Dana White quote was removed. In classic fashion, it looks like the UFC's stance changed in a number of hours. Is there a new deal that came about in the last few hours?
The collapse of Affliction represents a huge shakeup in the MMA industry, and could bring about a number of dream fights. However, any notion that a deal with Fedor Emelianenko is imminent has to be tempered by the reality that the UFC negotiated with his team while he was a free agent for over a year, and never got a deal done.
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I thought it was tree fiddy?
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 9:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
…I spread like germs
Bless the globe with the pestilence,
the hard-headed never learn
It’s my testament to those burned…
etc etc WuTang forever
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wu Tang
Always deserves a rec.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 24, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Speculation is heavy that that announcement might relate to yesterday's Bloody Elbow exclusive news of ESPN officials attending UFC 100.
Anik-Mir/Florian calling UFC fights? Makes me potentially happy.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I fell rogans knowledge of the sport mixed with his awsome ability to explain it to the layman is why he should stay as color no matter where the ufc has its show. Joe Rogan is part of the UFC product hes not going anywhere.
Goldberg isn’t the color guy, he’s the PBP guy.
And he can’t explain shit to anyone, let alone MMA to lay men.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
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Fedor in the UFC?
ZOMG! ZOMG! ZOMG! ZOMG! ZOMG! ZOMG! ZOMG! ZOMG! ZOMG! ZOMG!
PS: ZOMG! ZOMG! ZOMG! ZOMG! ZOMG!
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
This is different from the strikeforce merger
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I just had a pants explosion.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
It doesn't really stand for anything
I think it grew out of the gaming areas of the internet, but it’s essentially just OMG, but with Z. In the Encyclopedia Galactica it will probably have a cross reference to leet-speak.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
because the Z is right next to shift. so when you’re super fuckin pumped, you accidentally hit the Z on your way to get an uppercase OMG
by FiatJustitiaRuatCaelum on Jul 24, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Genius
It’s like the !!!!!!!!!!!!!1
It’s science.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
re: the post someone just put up that got deleted because of this one.
I really don’t think Zuffa changed their mind in a few hours.
It makes perfect sense (in my head anyway) that Dana told Affliction to go F themselves right after UFC 100 when the initial offer was made, but things changed today after the shenanigans that took place.
Iole could have been working off of old info when he posted earlier.
I added Rome's commentary to this post
Clearly Dana’s stance changed after circumstances changed and Iole’s reporting reflects that shifting reality.
Scott Coker picked the wrong week to go on vacation.
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Wow, that last sentence is a really good hook for an article or a chapter in a book on this era in MMA history.
by An Old Friend on Jul 24, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Chapter 7: The Demise of Competition to the UFC
“Scott Coker picked the wrong week to go on vacation….”
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
By the time Coker gets back Zuffa will own him and Strikeforce.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 9:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
With all the bile MMA fans throw at Iole
He seems to be the only MMA journalist worth a damn.
I’m shocked Affliction even tried to do the third event. But we all knew this would happen sooner or later. I think the promise of Lesnar VS Fedor is going to come that much closer to reality. RIP Affliction the promotion. You’re now a business school case study of how to not run a business.
Let’s not over praise. He’s been editing an article and changing things without even noting corrections.
by Michael Rome on Jul 24, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes, but he did break the story even if he got it wrong initially. He also was the one who got the Kimo story right.
by cyph on Jul 24, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
big huzzahs to Kevin on the Kimo story
his access to Dana White and the exclusives that come from that is more problematic. He’s pretty much court reporter for King Dana. Which means he gets great scoops and exclusives, it also means his objectivity is utterly compromised.
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Are you joking? Look at how Iole handled the Mirko Cro Cop debacle. http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com/421/kevin-iole-reports-mirko-cro-cop-returning-to-ufc-best-striker-alive
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Yes, he has a pro-UFC streak. Is he any different from the sports writer for the SF 49ers or the writers for the Dallas Cowboys? There are pro-UFC wirters like Iole and there are anti-UFC writers like Ivan Trembow and the MMAPayout crew etc. There’s also Zach Arnold who hates everyone equally. In sports, I’d be hard pressed to find opened minded writers. How open minded are the ESPN PTI crew to MMA? Are they examples of high integrity and honesty?
Furthermore, sports journalists are not exactly highest on the totem poll of journalistic integrity. Neither are they candidates for winning the Pulitzer prize. Let’s not forget that the MMA area for Yahoo Sports is called UFC not MMA. Iole break news that we want to know. Let’s not delude ourselves about neutrality of MMA sports writers. Iole is there to balance out the Ivan Trembow and Loretta Hunts of the MMA news world. I think the anti-UFC mentality has spilled over to the anti-Iole mentality.
There’s no such things as neutrality in sports. Iole’s gotta pick his sides and I see nothing wrong with that.
by cyph on Jul 24, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Being just one among many crappy reporters doesn't make him any less crappy
In fact, for standing out amongst the crowd of crappy reporters, I posit that he is even worse.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
If he’s so crappy, why is he being quoted everywhere? Reporters report and dig up stories. Don’t confuse fair and balance with being a “good” reporter.
He’s crappy because he’s not a particularly dynamic or engaging writer and largely makes his mark in MMA by being close to Dana White (while selling out his objectivity). Him and the Franklin McNeils of the world came from the world of boxing, and it shows.
As for your above post, I agree. Sports journalism, largely, is awful. And I have a particular distaste for most beat writers, PTI/ATH talking heads, etc.
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Fuck Jay Mariotti.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Seriously?
When I think credibility I hardly think Yahoo anything.
That’s like asking Stevie Wonder to review the engines of the Boeing 747.
"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg
Make no mistake, this is a bad day for fighters that had an alternative promotion willing to overpay them for their services. One hopes the UFC will back off its draconian ban of any fighter that signed with EA Sports, though it’s understandable that they don’t want to promote anyone appearing in a rival company’s game.
You have got to be fucking kidding me right?, how in the world are you going to try and justify paying 800k for Sylvia for less than a minutes work. Affliction was fool’s gold, it turned guys like Arlovski into money hungry idiots who have ruined a long career in the sport for short term money and now no career.
I’ve said it once and i’ll say it again until i’m blue in the face, the UFC is the right way to run an mma org the dead bodies of mma promotions have proven that fact. All the bitching and crying about how evil Zuffa is becomes laughable after you see idiots like Elite and Afflicion fall apart because they have no clue what they are doing. If anything this should be the final case that shows that they and they alone are the one’s that are going to take this sport to the next level the proof is in the pudding folks.
by Raker on Jul 24, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Whether it was a good way to run a promotion or not, and it obviously wasn’t, has nothing to do with whether it was good for the fighters.
Here’s a clue: over the course of 4 fights, Andrei Arlovski made over 3 million dollars in fight purses, and over 4 million when you include ads. Know what he was making per fight with the UFC? About 100-200k.
He’ll be back with the UFC one day making that same amount. They paid a number of guys more money than they’d make in an entire career fighting with the UFC.
by Michael Rome on Jul 24, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, for guys like AA, as short sighted as Affliction ended up being, it seemed like a good move. Hindsight is 20/20.
I love me some Sexyama!
It’s still a pretty good move as far as I can tell. Say Arlovski gets knocked out cold by somebody established like Mir and then somebody raw like Velasquez. Then where is he? Still a shakey fighter, and with far less money.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
AA ain’t coming back to the UFC after getting KTFO by Rogers, neither is Sylvia both guys could have been in the UFC for the rest of their careers making good money and now neither have an mma career to speak of.
Both guys should be the perfect warning to anyone who bitches about pay and wants to chase money from idiotically run mma promotions, because only a moron sacrifices long term gain for short term paydays.
I think Arloviski made more money in those fights than he would have had he fought in the UFC and lost twice.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
for sure
but he probably wouldn’t have lost two in a row in the UFC
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
What a curious comment…
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
It was good for the fighters in the short term
They would have been much better off, if the promotion grew slowly to represent a durable, sustainable promotion as an alternative to the UFC.
That doesn’t mean it’s a bad day for the fighters.
It sucks for them that there is one less person on the block to overpay them. There’s also one less person around to negotiate with/use to get zuffa to pay them more.
Plus, Zuffa just got a ton of more leverage in these negotiations with the fact that they don’t cancel shows. What’s worth more, a 3 fight 50k deal from Zuffa or a 2 fight 100k deal from the next, next pride?
RIP AFFLICTION SHOWS
I want to know what happens to all the fighters. Will we have an Affliction-Zombie scenario? Do they auction off the contracts to the highest bidder?
not good
I was looking forward to never having to see the goofy t-shirts again. Now they are going to be on every UFC fighter soon.
Brock Lesnar vs. Fedor will be huge. After all the media hype Lesnar received following UFC 100 Dana will easily be able to spin this as the greatest and biggest fight in MMA history. With a little help from Mr. White’s new ESPN buddy this is shaping up to be the greatest day in UFC history.
don't count your chickens
Fedor is contracted to M-1 Global, not Afflcition.
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Very true, i guess i am just assuming Fedor’s camp has a realistic outlook on the World Wide MMA landscape, and with Santa Atencio out of the way they will be more willing to make the UFC deal work.
by ronniebonnie on Jul 24, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
However, any notion that a deal with Fedor Emelianenko is imminent has to be tempered by the reality that the UFC negotiated with his team while he was a free agent for over a year, and never got a deal done.
Without Affliction, who can pay him 2 mil+ a fight? It may not happen this year, but it will happen. No other promotion have the money to pay him. By the process of elimination, my crystal ball shows Fedor in the UFC sometime next year.
If its in China...
Fedor Vs Protester
No stopping the fight under any conditions.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
But that doesn’t mean it’s imminent.
I believe we’re soon coming to a time where Zuffa will be the only one who will be able to afford Fedor, because it will be hard to find a startup willing to walk through the corpses of Bodog and Affliction to play ball with M1. It’s just a matter of how long it takes Finkie to realize that, or if he can actually find another sucker to give him what he wants.
Iole
Multiple sources had indicated to Yahoo! Sports that Affliction was on the verge of a deal with Strikeforce for some sort of merger, but that fell apart in the last 24-48 hours. That’s when talks began anew between White and Affliction. They had spoken earlier in July about such a scenario, but were unable to come to a deal.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 24, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions
Babalu!
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
jk
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He could make it back. He’s been well behaved since getting the boot, and has 4 pretty good wins. Now would be a good time for him to come back.
I would take Babalu over Mousasi or Vitor.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
I wouldn’t. I would take Mousasi over him in a hearbeat and would probably have to think a bit but I would take Vitor.
I’ll take Fedro over any of them. Anyone who agrees rec this post.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 9:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
You're a whore
Rec’d
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, fine
If you got a boner when Dana made Atencio kiss the ring, rec this post.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If somehow this produces a Fedor vs Brock match-up...
Do you think there is a possibility of a “BUFFER BACK FLIP” when he introduces Fedor? Let’s start up the petitions.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
How about a BUFFER MICHEAL BUFFER where he announces the fighters in a rational manner.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
This is just going to be the same thing that happened to Dream.
UFC wont gain much probably. Just another dead organization.
Ahh
In the immediate aftermath, they gained Nog, Henderson, Cro Cop and Wanderlai. That along with the Pride shirts they are selling now is probably worth the 50 mil or whatever they paid. It made the organization stronger. Sure it didn’t get Fedor like everyone hoped, but it made the UFC significantly better and allowed alot of important fights to happen.
Maybe we will here Danas thoughts about it tonight.
It has to be better than the Arrington interview…
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Jul 24, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder what exclusive news she’s gonna share!
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 25, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
- EA ban isnt going anywhere…
- Fedor is not a done deal but theres no one else willing to bank roll finkie’s side projects so the chances are very good he’ll be in the UFC.
- Zuffa now has the affliction video library of Fedor killing sylvia and arlovski to create the most prestigious HW fight to date against Brock.
- Most fighters will probably end up with strikeforce or in japan except the ones Zuffa wants.
- And Affliction will be paying a shit load of money for the privilege of being back in Zuffas good graces :)
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wish it was at 103! lol
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
-Fedor will do whatever the fuck he wants. If he doesn’t want to come to the UFC he won’t.
-The announcement only stated that Affliction would not be promoting any more fights. It didn’t say that it had sold its video library and rights.
-I’m sure Affliction had to pay some serious dough but their T-Shirt business is surprisingly profitable so they’ll still be around
if mmalogic is saying that they sold their library and rights, that probably means they did it, it just hasn’t been made public yet.
the only real big mistake he’s ever made was saying that DOR was Affliction’s last show, and look how that mistake ended up.
by Phildo on Jul 24, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn’t M1 also have rights on Fedor’s film? I’m sure the UFC did buy the library since they have the money and like to collect footage. They have a gigantic film vault at their HQ with Pride, IFL, etc.
It’s probably going to an iffy gray area. Fedor claimed to have the rights to his footage before, but that didn’t stop “Pride Worldwide, LLC” from pulling the youtube footage of his fights from the Affliction: Banned website.
No gray area.
M-1 keeps all of Fedor’s film. Thats why you can go see his fights on their website.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
There is some footage that is M-1’s, others is Afflictions.
I don’t know where the line is drawn.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait if M-1 owned Fedor’s Pride then how come we didn’t see any Affliction trailers with Pride footage?
That’s why I think it’s a gray area, if they had his Pride footage, why was “Pride” able to take down his old Pride fights when they were trying to promote Banned?
Rights are restricted in certain areas. They can’t be used in North America I believe.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Vadims rights are restricted to overseas…
He cant use that footage to promote a fight in north america.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Will the ban stand for people like King Mo who signed the deal before the UFC brass publicly issued their edict?
That’s the funny thing. There were fighters signed to EA BEFORE Zuffa even issued their warning. I always found that funny.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy is the only one excluded from the ban.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 8:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Randy was the only exception… infact Zuffa could have gotten him out of the game but it was part of the settlement.
by the time the game comes out Randy will be retired – so it will be like having “Ken Shamrock”… slightly better but you get my point.
Randy will find he was penny wise and pound foolish keeping that deal.
yes… signing with EA is like signing a fight contract.
Now the “BAN” doesnt mean forever – as soon as he’s out of his EA deal he can come in.
King Mo?
One year deal.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Yup. Fighters with EA are signing 1 or 2 year deals.
King Mo signed a 1 year deal, I believe.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
he didnt months ago before announcing of the ban
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 24, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
“Life time ban from the UFC” became “ban while you are signed to EA”.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
How can I set my comments to automatically put a smiley emoticon on all of my posts?
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I might be missing something, but what does this have to do with Sup?
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If anything we all lose here. But…I think I would have liked it better if Affliction and SF would have done the merger.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally disagree
I don’t want to effect Strikeforce’s business model. They’ve got a great thing going. No need to fuck it up with inflated payroll’s.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok so who exactly is going to UFC from this?
Vitor and……….
Mousasi already said he’s not ready to be locked down. I really doubt Fedor will jump. Barnett lol. Jay Heiron? Meh. Babalu is the Strikeforce Champ.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not sure what any of that has to do with what I’m saying.. I don’t care if they all take a Carnival Cruise together, I’m talking about the implications of all of those fat checks coming across Coker’s desk. It’s not their business model to compete with the UFC economically and they’re successful enough without it. The UFC is the Yankee’s/Red Sox. Strikeforce is the Twins/A’s/Marlins. Word?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Maybe
But that’s beside the point we were discussing. Somehow it got lost.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Blackout is %1000 correct…
There’s a reason why out of all these organizations strikeforce has stayed in business and continues to grow at a healthy pace.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s my opinion that this is the last lesson learned, at least of this magnitude. Many have tried; all have failed. It’s not worth the gamble anymore. What investors would be willing to wage war with the UFC after this? Today the UFC truly became the NFL of mixed martial arts.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No word on Bellator, though, it didn’t seem like they were going to make a deal with ESPN for season 2.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Hopefully at least on ESPN 2 this time.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
It doesn’t look promising at this point.
Hopefully that changes.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That really says it all. Rec’d.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 25, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, like others have said. Most fighters are going to Strikeforce or were already signed to Strikeforce or M-1 anyways. They aren’t getting those bloated contracts because they will have to re-negotiate anyways.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Diego type, yes?
YES!!!1
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
SI
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
*wipes foam
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wanted to see all of those fights man!
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I know this is purely selfish of me...
But I was kinda hoping we’d no longer have to see those ugly Affliction T-shirts everywhere. Now, it appears we’ll just get more. At any rate, I think SF did the right thing by chosing not to do anything with Affliction. They’re better off. I think most people still see them as the #2 promotion. After all, why fix something when it ain’t broke?
I love me some Sexyama!
get over the fucking shirts
If you don’t like them don’t buy them…it’s that simple. I don’t like seeing ugly people everywhere but I have to put up with that. You don’t see me blogging about it in every post.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Jul 24, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Ugly people were born ugly. Nothing they can do. People chose to wear those shirts. If they wear’em, I can bash ’em.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Jul 24, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This is true...
but I think it’s known that no one here wears or buys them (yeah right). So we need not to continue bashing Affliction.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
My girlfriend almost bought me one. That would have been a dealbreaker. JK. :)
I love me some Sexyama!
I would say 95% of them are fugly which is a pretty huge percentage lol. I usually like the actual fighter signature shirts sometimes.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
Go to a fashion site if you are so obsessed with t-shirts.
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
More Drama
http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/07/24/brett-rogers-manager-strikeforce-wasnt-an-obstruction-in-maki/
“He called me and talked to me and said he was pushing for us,” Reilly said. "You know, Scott has always been very honest and very straightforward with us and very upfront. You know, obviously Scott wants to see this fight happen, and I’m sure he would like to see it happen in Strikeforce; we’d like to see it happen in Strikeforce. But he certainly wasn’t standing in the way. He wasn’t an obstruction to this happening as far as I know and from what Scott told me.
“… I don’t know who exactly said no. Like I said, we had good support to go forward with the fight and encouragement from our employer. We never got the feeling that Strikeforce was actually standing in the way of it happening, per se. I think it’s a lot more complicated than that. It certainly wasn’t one person standing up and saying, ‘No, you can’t do this.’ I think that there was just a lot of complexity to try and put something together in a 48-hour period. And I think that the more people looked at this and realized that trying to rush this forward and trying to do this so fast was wasting a greater potential to really capitalize on two great athletes meeting later down the road.”
Fatter does not mean bigger.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 8:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yet somehow we never hear anyone complain about Brett being too big and strong and insisting that Strikeforce should split up their HW division.
by Steve4192 on Jul 24, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
To be fair, he was never a professional wrestler.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Because he was a PROFESSIONAL FUCKING WRESTLER. What part don’t you understand?
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 9:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I dont understand the part about Brock being
-NJCAA All-American
-1998 NJCAA Heavyweight Champion,
-two-time NCAA All-American,
-two-time Big Ten Conference Champion,
-and the 2000 NCAA heavyweight champion
but im dumb.
It’s simple.
All those are canceled out by being a professional wrestler*
- Unless you are Ken Shamrock, Bobby Lashley, Sakuraba, Mark Coleman, Josh Barnett, or anyone else who has done pro wrestling that isn’t Brock Lesnar.
Myth sad
Afflictions demise means less fights for fans, and more ‘one-company control’ :(
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
More Brock
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
Is that the same panda Fedor is going to be fighting at Dynamite 2009?
I would be sad too.That frickin’ panda is gonna get armbarred something fierce.
by Steve4192 on Jul 24, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Lesnar?
Yes please!
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
All Brock, All Day. Tune in to hear Brock tell you how much your favorite beer sucks.
I love me some Sexyama!
If Bud Light is your favorite beer, I can’t help you.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Less fights? Are you sure – it feels like the UFC has been putting on more fights not less.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
Yep..
If the UFC swallows up more of this talent, they’re just going to be putting on more promotions.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
But will they be willing to pay ridicu-cash for those events?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
How so?
They’re good at spreading out the payroll. More top tier, high paid fighters just means more shows to have those fighters headline and increased revenue. An impending ABC deal? More Spike shows? The possibilities are endless!
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Big name fighters like Matt Lindland aren’t gonna come cheap after getting paid at Affliction. :-)
(Way off topic: anybody catch Lindland and Ed Herman on TNT’s “Leverage” this week?)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
Sure they are
What’s the alternative? Affliction had them on the shelf for months upon months and cancelled two of their four shows. That economic model is not sustainable. There is nowhere else to go and no more secure promotion.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Affirmative!
I’m celebrating with a Coors Light tonight.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Back away from subo – that’s mine.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 24, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Aww, you thought of me on this happiest of days
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Spike holds exclusive rights to all UFC shows on cable tv. That means no ESPN. ABC on the other hand….
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 8:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ABC sports programming is ESPN on ABC.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Yes but UFC isn’t going to be holding monthly shows on ABC. Maybe once every quarter or something but not as often as they could if they were on espn.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 9:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You will look back on this in a couple of years and be glad it happened
Trust me
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If Fedor goes to UFC...
Get freaky..
'Ello G'vnor!
by IHateMMA on Jul 24, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
at the gif
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
July 24, 2009
What the hell just happened?
I wake up this morning and put on my wedding/funeral/job interview to go to my formal army interview. I finish the interview, they love me and say I am a prototypical artillery officer. I get back home, turn on the computer to see if Fedor has an opponent yet.
And then the shit hurricane hits…
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
Yeah, I was at work and could feel the wind change…indoors. It was weird.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 25, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Who else here thinks that Tom Atencio is sitting on his couch listening to Metallica while getting baked and eating chips right now?
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
If you're quoting Phil Anselmo in your sig
you should know how to spell Megadeth.
"We're not the other teams' farm system." - Andy MacPhail
by duck on Jul 24, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Deth blow
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
I think he’s listening to Fallout Boy and eating Cheeto’s, but I digress.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Fallout Boy? (shudders) Damn, give Tom a little more credit than that. lol
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
ZOMG!!!!
I just remembered. What happens to WAMMA?!!! Who the hell is gonna embrace them now? LMFAO!
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
WAMMA HQ?
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I laughed at that. Then I remembered poor people actually live in slums like that. Then I felt sad.
I love me some Sexyama!
i’m getting the feeling that WAMMA doesn’t really exist any more.
After Barnett got pulled, the thing I was looking forward to most was seeing who would be holding the belt upside down to represent them since everyone I’ve heard of that was involved with WAMMA bailed.
They haven’t existed for a few months already.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Zuffa is NOT absorbing any Affliction fight contract…
Remember these fighters signed with “Affliction Entertainment” – not “Affliction Clothing” so the fighters have limited leverage but Affliction has leverage to get them signed to a Zuffa contract or give them a hard time.
The fighters Zuffa wants will sign new contracts with Zuffa.
This is just like what Strikeforce did with Elite contracts except Zuffa doesnt have to buy “Affliction MMA” or any assets.
Affliction basically agreed to every Zuffa term and condition Zuffa wanted… Attencio now has a new Uncle called “Dana”.
You didnt know?
mmalogic = Superduper cool Zuffa Insider aka employee
:P
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah neither is Iole.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 8:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lol?
lol-e.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Yeah neither is Iole.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 8:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Zuffa definitely won’t absorb those contracts as is. After all, aren’t Affliction contracts open so fighters can fight in other promotions? If anything, Zuffa will probably negotiate new ones with all the standard restrictions.
I love me some Sexyama!
fighting in other promotions overseas… and even thats dicey because you need permission.
IEvery contract was different and Attencio is as stupid as they come.
Suffice it to say Zuffa now has as much leverage signing the fighters Zuffa wants as Strikeforce had signing the elite fighters… only Zuffa didnt have to buy shit… instead “Uncle Dana and Uncle Lorenzo” have more money to play with.
logic
I still want to know YTF is Franklin and Hendo headlining UFC 103!
ANSWERS! I WANT ANSWERS!!!!!1
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you’re confusing them with Affliction, Zuffa has more than a couple dozen fighters under contract.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
hmmm
Anybody that had a 205-pound ranking was basically tied up with a fight – they were contracted to fight," Franklin said. "You can run through the 205-pound weight class, and I know on the forums and stuff – I don’t read any of this, I just catch this stuff word of mouth – but I know that there was a thread about who I could possibly fight, and it listed like all of the 205-pound fighters that were contracted with an opponent right now, and basically it left absolutely nobody in the weight class for me. Although the UFC had approached me about fighting in September and possibly headlining that event and all that kind of stuff, they were really scrambling for what they were going to do about a possible opponent.
Rich Franklin, via MMAJunkie
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
Why did Rich Franklin have to headline? Oh yeah, he didn’t.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 8:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sherdog is reporting that Affliction is offering t-shirt deals to the fighters as a consolation prize.
http://sherdog.com/news/news/belfort-hieron-navigate-affliction-fallout-18707
Welp
danawhiteufcI am going on espn 1100 in vegas at 6pm. I will be talking anything mma. Call in number is 702 364 1100! Oh yea and welcome back tito :)
Who DIDNT see that coming?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Holy shit!
Tito is officially in the UFC? WHAT A DAY
It's like all of Dana White's dreams came true
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
w00t!!!!
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
me too – I am too excited
"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 28, 2008
Woohoo!
Hieron’s manager, Ken Pavia, didn’t have much time to talk about the fallout, though for a good reason. Hieron’s name has been thrown in the hat as a potential replacement For Joe Riggs, who withdrew Thursday from his Strikeforce 170-pound title fight against Nick Diaz on Aug. 15 due to a reaction to medication, and Pavia is in swift negotiations with the promotion
.
Still for the Title?
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
I believe so, which is more deserving since Hieron was the IFL WW Champ.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
*crosses fingers
Would be a great scrap.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL at all the posters
who think they know ANYTHING about this deadl.
What's a deadl?
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
dead/deal
Obviously.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
It’s time for Fedor to come to the negotiating table…
Zuffa will pay him for his services more AND he can do his Sambo. and Fedor can end his Legacy properly.
The only thing is Zuffa wants to sign “FEDOR” NOT “M1”.
Well now that the 3rd event didnt happen and fedors 3rd fight not fulfilled Zuffa has more leverage – but you didnt know that because you dont know shit.
Come on, Fedor.
Nobody else has both the bankroll and patience for you.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
From Jason Heigh
“The fate of the fighters marooned by Afflictions cancellation of its 3rd show is unknown at this time” Gee,who cares bout the fighters?
Affliction secured its future, becoming an official UFC sponsor,I hope it has a similar plan for all the fighter that planned on a payday.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am hoping the UFC/Affliction let the fighters they do not want out easily…hopefully they will since Strikeforce is the main place most will want to go to.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Today is like the scene from The Godfather where Michael “settles” all of the family’s business.
by Jahbulon on Jul 24, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 15 recs
Rec'd x 1000
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, I was thinking Goodfellas when the bodies start showing up!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is the my favorite comment ever.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 25, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ...
This is the my favorite comment ever.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 25, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Shit
I’m going to rec it just to see how far it can go.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Today is a good day for MMA.
In the long run, the short-time loss to these poor fighters will be balanced out.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, nothing like the loss of a big pot of money.
Screw you, Paul Buentello! Who ever told you that you could make some money at this game anyway?
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
I was parlaying Buentello/Oliviera/Daley for x32.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Dude, that would have hit.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
HERE’S ANOTHER INSIGHT:
The ticket sales for this Affliction show and the ppv WITH BARNETT was trending horribly.
I say horribly because showtime was behind it and promoting it. This show was a great indicator on what Showtime can do in terms of ppv. Doesnt look good if strikeforce is planning to use this model.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Now we are actually getting somewhere with something useful out of this experience.
I wonder if it is even possible to be a distant number 2 to the UFC through the PPV business model. After all only the UFC, big-time boxing matches, and the WWE seem able to utilize the medium to any effect.
We’ve seen that MMA shows emulating one-off boxing cards have short life-expectancies time and again now, and the UFC has a similar method to the WWE—give away some stuff to ensure that people
buy the big stuff.
Will Strikeforce succeed in “giving away” enough content (premium TV really doesn’t cut it) to drive PPV sales? They haven’t run a CBS show yet.
Alternatively: will Strikeforce or Bellator (or any other promotion, the IFL attempted this after all) succeed in becoming a TV sport with revenues driven by advertising? Could they do it before the UFC does it themselves?
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
I just got the seating chart from Anaheim last night with sold tickets, was going to do a post on it today and then I woke up to this. They sold 6,000 tickets but at much lower prices. It would have been half full.
by Michael Rome on Jul 24, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I’m a pessimist, as I see it as half empty.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Lesson learned
Sleep is for the weak.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Well maybe if you didn't live in BFE you would have been awake like the rest of the world
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
BFE?
that means middle of nowhere? right? haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 25, 2009 6:32 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Yes, BFE = Bum Fuck Egypt, i.e. middle of nowhere
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
B-B-B-BUT
… I thought Donald Trump would keep them from ever going bankrupt! The Anti UFC spin machine told me so! EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE!
Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
(sound of distant gunfire)
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t read shit unless it was green…and MAN was the green good.
Spinning out solid gold, like Rumpelstiltskin.
Mmmmmm...
Green…
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
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