Affliction Cancels Trilogy Event
by Luke Thomas on Jul 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT
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And the hits just keep on coming:
In a matter of days Affliction Entertainment's "Trilogy" event when from promising the top heavyweight fight in mixed martial arts to being cancelled outright, multiple sources confirmed to SI.com Friday morning.
Affliction Entertainment vice president began making calls with the news Friday morning to fighters scheduled to appear on the Aug. 1 card, SI.com has learned.
We don't yet know if this is a similiar situation to the "Day of Reckoning" event where the cancellation eventually helped out the endeavor by putting it on more helpful soil. So, stay tuned to find out if a) there is a re-scheduling and b) when and with which fighters.
Somewhere Dana White is playing "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" on his fiddle.
Affliction's woes since their beginning are a fresh reminder of how difficult it is to make large-scale, meaningful fights happen. It's not just that you have to have the competent, organizational machinery in place, you also have to get lucky. And when you don't get lucky, you have to have major resources to pick up the pieces. I admire Affliction's willingness to try to create some substantive, value-add MMA, but I do not envy the responsibiltiies of the task.
Official Affliction Press Release
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Affliction Trilogy Cancelled
Seal Beach, California (July 24, 2009) – The highly anticipated fight between Fedor Emelianenko and Josh Barnett at the Affliction Trilogy MMA show has been cancelled. The mega fight was scheduled to take place at the Honda Center in Anaheim on August 1st. The unforeseen license denial of Josh Barnett gave Affliction limited time to find a replacement and adequately promote the new main event.
“Finding an opponent for the number one ranked MMA heavy weight champion in such a short period of time was a huge endeavor and I’m thrilled at the amount of fighters willing to take on this challenge,” said Tom Atencio, vice president of Affliction Entertainment. “But in the end, we just didn’t have enough time to promote a new fight to our standards.”
Affliction is deeply disappointed that the under card is also cancelled through no fault of its own. Affliction stands behind the company’s brands and delivers premium products to the most passionate and loyal customers. Affliction’s first priority is to ensure that all future events live up to the company’s high standards.
Ticket holders for the canceled event should contact Ticketmaster or ticketmaster.com for a refund.
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This is the SECOND time Affliction has screwed over it’s fighters. It is time they close up shup and stop trying to pretend to be a promoter. They are not. This is not fair to the fighters.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 24, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ding dong the witch is dead
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eff you Josh Barnett. Eff you.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I was gonna say the same thing
But I’ll spell it out-
FUCK YOU JOSH BARNETT
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by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 1:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
HEY!
No insulting the fighters! This isn’t the UG, this isn’t Sherdog – we treat people with the respect they deser….
Wait, Josh? Barnett?
YEAH, FUCK YOU JOSH BARNETT.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 24, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Ok, that's enough
No more F Us to Josh even if they are deserved.
by Luke Thomas on Jul 24, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes sir….
But MAN does that guy deserve it, eh?
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by jemaleddin on Jul 24, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prob going to be one if the biggest GOATs in MMA history
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by Zak Woods on Jul 24, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All time all history
Like, Gary Anderson or the goat from Jurrasic Park.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jurassic Park
just trying to not be too knee-jerk in my rxn
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by Zak Woods on Jul 24, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Michael Bay…
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted to kill myself while watching Transformers 2.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least megan fox was good to look at for 2 hours
by gangstermonkey on Jul 24, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luke, you can take away my freedom, but you can’t take away my green
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by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can always hide it.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 25, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we get Barnett vs Petruzelli on the next DREAM card?
by rabrown on Jul 24, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
Barnett-Shamrock would the right matchup.
by Wonderlic on Jul 24, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was thinking the same thing
A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
by thetakeover on Jul 24, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard Jose Conseco was getting into MMA
cheater vs. cheater = fair fight?
by gangstermonkey on Jul 24, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw Jose Conseco fetal flop his way back out of MMA.
It would be hilarious though.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fetal flop – LOL
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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barnett screwed himself out of his payday… It’s Affliction that screwed everyone else out of theirs.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah
Weren’t we all just talking that anyone that knew about/was planning on buying the card was going to do so anyway?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DE FUCK! is this it for affliction? Do you think they have to pay show money for all of the fighters?
by Pontus on Jul 24, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunate if true.
I’ll be curious to see what details emerge, although I’m sure there will always be speculation. I’ve already heard people interpret yesterday’s comments from Fedor as him being afraid of Belfort for his speed and power, hope that’s not the case. I’m sure the same people who say he’s just overrated will say he ducked out of this either way though.
I’m most disappointed about the rest of the card if the whole thing is gone. Mousasi, Belfort, Davis-Javi, the list of interesting things we’ll miss goes on.
The ULTIMATE ultimate proving ground.
by Dodectagon on Jul 24, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They wanted NO part of Belfort...
NONE. I firmly believe that Vitor was the one guy in the running they actually were somewhat scared of having to fight.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if Belfort were a legit heavyweight that was on a winning streak
there would be some upside for Fedor but as is, there’s none.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if they'd take the fight on a regular schedule?
I don’t think I’d even object to the fight a whole lot if there was a proper training period and Vitor was able to bulk up appropriately.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure if you’ve heard, but Fedor is the unbeatable, overpowering menace of the world. He is unstoppable, and will never lose. Any time it looks like he’s been hurt in a fight, it’s because he was toying with his opponent. Fedor is afraid of no man.
Also, Brock Lesnar.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 24, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock Lesnar?
Ohhh… Brock Lesnar. Why didn’t you say so in the first place?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give me a break...
He already said he’d fight anyone. What more do you want him to say? Sounds like SHOWTIME was the major hand in this… and we have no confirmation.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh…he said so?
Color me wrong then. A fighter would never publicly say something that isn’t true
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I doubt Fedor is dodging anyone. It sounds like Atencio is more adamant about getting weeks of promotion in over some speculation that Fedor is dodging Vitor. It also sounds like SHOWTIME wasn’t on board with the idea of zero promotion for a new main event. I don’t buy the dodging tale.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying...
that they ducked him. But I’m pretty confident that he was their nightmare opponent in this situation
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, on 10 days notice and suddenly changing who your fighting from a heavy ground guy to a guy who is speedy couldn’t help. Monson would have been optimal or Rogers. I mean, I understand your point. I just don’t think Fedor was sitting around saying “Holy shit, NO! Not Vitor!”
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a tale of two extremes. It’s obvious there are certain fighters he was more interested in facing. That seems fair.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
With the last remaining somewhat relevant non-UFC HW challenger pumped full of drugs.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a tough fight without training
Fedor has been training for a big Josh Barnett, and now you want to have him fight a small fast 210 lb guy. Although Fedor is obviously heavily favored, he hasn’t had the proper training which would be brining in small fast guys.
If Fedor turned it down, its a knock on him. Its showing a total lack of gameness, but its too early to be sure.
by SES 84 on Jul 24, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG!!!!
WOW!!!! This is freaking huge!!!!! Dana get the champagne ready we are hitting up the clubs tonight!!
by thesource on Jul 24, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This sucks major balls. WTF! Barnett FTMFL!!!!
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we’re lucky… it’s been pushed out 3 months.
by Nick Thomas on Jul 24, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who won that Arlovski-Barnett fight?
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by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 1:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The fans, for not having to see it.
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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
got to disagree
I’d still love to see Arlovski vs Barnett. Maybe in Sengoku….
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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's also
Barnett vs Antonio Silva in the “hey ma, look who didn’t do steroids we promise” dream match.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CSAC license on a pole match?
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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
DONE!
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA
Rec’d for good measure.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too. It’s a shame that we’ve hardly seen any of the 2005/06 era UFC vs PRIDE heavyweight dream fights. Nog vs Randy and Mir and Fedor vs AA and Sylvia has pretty much been the extent of it.
by rabrown on Jul 24, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's a Barnett?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FTW
When you get a Turkey baster and fill it up with some high quality Juice and Stick it up the hole in your Anus and squirt away.
Barnett uses this technique for the simple fact he says it gets in his system faster.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Jul 24, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could be a shot
Like, a shot of Burnett’s vodka up the ass. The Barnett.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find this suprising honestly…thought they might try to run with the possibility of all this press helping their buys and just toss in someone for Fedor…curious to see if it gets moved to another venue…but I’m doubting it.
We need a poll to see who thinks Affliction is going to be closing up shop after this.
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by kyfm621 on Jul 24, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And they say old people don’t watch MMA!
...Behold, a pale horse. The man that sat upon it was Wieters, and hell followed with him.
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by Brett Jones on Jul 24, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And rec’d for Little Caeser…
Shameless self-promotion! http://twitter.com/scb0212
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by themachiavellian on Jul 24, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if they’ll lend out fighters on short notice? Babalu/Mousasi on Strikeforce? Babalu already has a contract with them…
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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering the same thing
especially with all the injuries on the Strikeforce card. Maybe Werdum vs Fedor on SF possible Belfort vs Diaz and maybe the Babalu vs Mousassi on SF to seeing as he in their LHW Champ idk just dreaming probably
by xbuckeyex05 on Jul 24, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could someone hand me a hammer...
I’m about to put this last nail on the coffin
by thesource on Jul 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
someone call and make sure mmasupremacy is doing ok he must be put on suicide watch right now
by Pontus on Jul 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
LOL
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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve already had to pull his head out of the oven twice this week.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Hahaha. The only sad part is not witnessing Fedor for a 3rd time LIVE.
I guess I will survive.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha, thats what I like about you always happy no matter what happens =)
by Pontus on Jul 24, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am pissed about not knowing who would have fought Fedor though.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you bought tickets. You HAVE to be pissed off at Affliction. They could’ve held the damn show and you’d have gone and given it a glowing review.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who knows he might still give it a glowing review
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wow, I like SuPreMaCy, but nicely done.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His and Atencio’s relationship is abusive, but he knows he can fix him.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say he deserves better, but I don’t like to lie.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you deserve the Nuggets and Rockies.
Thats fair.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
World Series in 07, Conference finals in 09 and your organization can’t even take the fucking field. They’re now batting .500 on actually having events when they actually say.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL at highlighting being at the WS and Conference finals.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re probably one of the Dodgers fans that still loves Manny, in which case I am wasting my time extolling the virtues of the Colorado Rockies.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wild Card!!!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s how we did it last time, damnit. If Ianetta quits swinging that flies that buzz by his face instead of the ball then we’ll be golden.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can’t believe how well they have played since Hurdle was fired. Pitching has been great.
Still miss the bomber days though. How can you beat 15-13 comeback wins at old Mile High, lol?
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dante Bichette = the true 1995 NL MVP.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Craig Biggio
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 24, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL at mentioning Bichette.
That brings back memories.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, this brings back memories galore.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d for being the most inaccurate statement I’ve read/heard all day long.
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by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Barry Larkin and his 51 stolen bases
.340, 40 HR, 128 RBI and carried a third year expansion team to the playoffs.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL batting average and RBI
As is usual in NL MVP arguments, the real winner probably should have been Barry Lamar Bonds. Led the league in OBP and OPS, 5th in SLG. This was also back when he was a plus-defender. And he wasn’t getting inflated numbers playing in Coors Field (back when it was still a super bandbox).
If you don’t give it to Bonds, Piazza’s the next best candidate. Pretty similar numbers while playing at catcher.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bichette’s whole damn career was worth less than a third of Bonds’ 1995 season.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s nasty.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Klesko’s 1995 season was five times more Valuable than Bichette’s.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this just got real
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Long story short: Dante Bichette sucked.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re dead to me. Larry Walker he was not, but he did not suck.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps we should define our terms. I’ll start. Two wins above replacement for his entire career = sucked.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What on earth is this statistic? I can’t find it.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/b/bichd001.htm
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok there are like thirty acronyms there that I don’t get. Whatever TZ is, though, it’s bullshit and not as important as, say, home runs/RBIs. And I KNOW he hit 30 of his 40 at home – we were a home team juggernaut and we sucked on the road. It wasn’t just him.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TZ- TotalZone, a measure of defensive range based on analysis of retrosheet play by play data. For seaons before 1953, and the 1953 American League, This measure is based on a much cruder formula called JAARF (Just another adjusted range factor.) which estimates defensive ratings from assists, putouts and errors, as well as team hits allowed by lefthanded and righthanded pitchers.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was a defensive liability
That means you can’t be MVP? Why was he second in the voting?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of the people who vote for the MVP award are idiots who completely disregard fielding and park factors.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Larry Walker deserved his?
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by subo on Jul 24, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Walker probably deserved his. He was actually a good ball player.
And stop using RBI. It’s one of the worst stats evar.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biggio and Piazza were both probably more deserving, but we’re talking like half a win so it’s not like they got robbed.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 28, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody tell me how Tony Womack got any votes, though. Dude was more than a full win below replacement.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 28, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bichette wasn’t even the most valuable player on his damn team in 1995. He put up 0.3 WAR. Larry Walker managed 3.5. Eric Young had 2.1. Walt Weiss and Vinny Castilla were both 1.5 wins better than Bichette.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit, even John Vander Wal had a better season than Bichette.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s one helluva way to measure worth, Theo. The Rockies would’ve never made the playoffs without Bichette. And he finished second to Larkin in the voting. Total screwjob (much like the 2007 Rockies being the best fielding team in the history of forever and yet not having a single Golden Glove awarded to them).
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are guys you can argue were screwed by the MVP voting that year, but none of them are named Dante.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps we define ‘MVP’ differently.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps. My vote would go to the most productive player in the league that year.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guy that meant the most to his team. The Dodgers would’ve been ok without Piazza. The Reds sucked anyway. We needed Dante and he delivered over and over again.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also cost them as many runs in the field as he created at the plate compared to an average player.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone scored like crazy at that ballpark – that outfield is huge and he has lead feet. We were a team that depended on outscoring opponents and he was a vital, really productive cog in that machine. The Blake Street Bombers, man. Andres Galarraga.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
They projected Brad Hawpe to hit .276 with 22 HRs. Pfft.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Galarraga sucked in 1995, too.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jul 24, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you say the Dodgers would have been OK without Piazza? They won the division by a game, and Piazza was the only person you could debate had as good an offensive year as Bonds. Replace Piazza with even an average ML catcher and they don’t take the division.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:heart: WAR
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re like the NL version of the Twins in that you always come on seriously strong at the end of the year, no matter how far back you are of the division lead/wild card.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be the astros
ESPN even ran an article recently on it.
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he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 24, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not a Dodgers (or Red Sox or Indians) fan who looooves Manny.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m an Indians fan (that’s my AL team) that feels betrayed.
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by subo on Jul 24, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should like the Nuggets
Their owner cancels events he books, too!
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
hahaha…the way you reach for jokes is pretty funny.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I reached for that? You served that up like a fried egg, hombre..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most people wouldn’t even get that.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it isn't a reach
…just really clever. Thanks d00d!
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course. Not happy at all they couldn’t put on the show. I actually could care less who Fedor fought. I was really looking forward to the other fights and under card. Though, I must say, I enjoyed the first two shows.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce is in a mess right now as well. Hopefully this will turn out positive for someone. Hoping Strikeforce can use some of the Affliction fighters on their event.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…what about the UFC?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can the UFC benefit from this? All I can see is Vitor, really. Striking a deal with Fedor will be a challenge that has been on going for several years already.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but at least he’ll be a free agent. I think Rothwell could hang, maybe Yvel
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would have been a free agent after Affliction 3 no matter what, like I said. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you feel knowing almost everyone of your fanposts since afflictions last show has been utterly useless.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
-1 point
illegal kick to a downed opponent
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by Paynuss on Jul 24, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hahaha
Quality.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 24, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true
He just tacks on the =) all the time. Maybe if I said fuck less and added more of those, people wouldn’t call me pissed and him happy.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sh*t rainbows. I would stick to that.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BWAHAHAHAHHAHA
A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
by thetakeover on Jul 24, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
too bad
We couldn’t see middle weight vitor become the phenom again, Fedor wanted the easy way out vs Rogers didn’t get it so with no main even affliction is canceled what a shame.
But hey ufc 100 surpassed 1.5 million.
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by xtremecouture on Jul 24, 2009 1:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprised it took so long for this kind of bullshit to pop up here.
by FRANKIE on Jul 24, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gimme a break. Fedor said he’d fight whoever they chose. It wasn’t like he told Atencio he would say no to anyone else.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is Finkie’s job.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I highly doubt they turned it down. Sounds like SHOWTIME backed out because Barnett vs. Fedor wasn’t happening.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it is rescheduled
I can’t see how they can still do the Mousasi vs. Sobral fight, considering Gegard is fighting in round 2 (and potentially the final) of the SuperHulk tourney on Oct. 6th.
Goddamn you, Barnett.
by kid_eh on Jul 24, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Time to re-stack the Strikeforce card.
by Nick Thomas on Jul 24, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Give them the card to strikeforce to finish the commitments
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 24, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This^
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Affliction going to sue Josh Barnett over this?
(they should)
by P4P is a stupid concept on Jul 24, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Poor guys. They worked so hard to pull this off and it all goes to shit because of Josh Barnett’s stupidity.
Tom Atencio could use a hug right now, so if anyone sees him…
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Somewhere Dana White is playing "The Devil Went Down to Georgia" on his fiddle."
luke thomas #1
by woooburn on Jul 24, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWlqmc1B7EE
Now that’s a song for the Dana we love and hate.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s the top one on the shirt? Can’t read it.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a shirt
It’s a gravestone he keeps in his office.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I literally yelled out “OH SNAP!” when the BE front page loaded. Thats how shocked I was.
Last time I did that was when I saw 2girls1cup
by Discman2 on Jul 24, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you need to use that term more often.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I said the same thing.
Except in my head it was like Joy from My Name is Earl.
by rzor on Jul 24, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are a whole lot of dudes that do not like Josh Barnett right now. A lot of fans, too.
by dumbwhiteguy on Jul 24, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right when I saw this, I called my brother and told him Barnett should administer himself into witness protection.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1 Ridiculous payday mad.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also the fans that bought airline tickets, hotel rooms, etc.
by Nick Thomas on Jul 24, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
media too…. what a effing waste of a great card!!!
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by ekc on Jul 24, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s gonna kick Dan Lauzon in the balls now? Dammit!
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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You mean near and around his balls?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor must have said no
They must have picked their guy and Fedor/The Fink turned it down. I can’t imagine any other scenario that would cause them to shut down the whole production. They stand to lose millions as it is.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they couldn’t get anyone but Vitor and didn’t think the commission would allow it?
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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor is scurred of Vitor LMAO!
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They stated after the fact that it didn’t matter. It was up to Affliction.
I can think of a scenario. They hadn’t pumped out money to the production companies yet, figured they could save a good amount of money that way.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d suppose that’s possible, except for the amount they’ve already dumped and needing to recoup some of it with the ticket sales and PPV numbers. I feel like they almost certainly lost more from not doing the show than they would have for putting it on.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is probably a penalty from a production company considering the fact they’d have to haul resources out there, but it’d save a little.
They may reschedule, and try to hype Rogers vs. Fedor or something. I feel like Atencio may have just had a problem with doing it on 10 days notice without ample time to promote.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
blackout612
AGREED. monson wanted it and he’s a legit hw. i dont see how fedor/monson would have done all that much worse as far as buys goes than fedor/barnett. the hardecores would have still bought it b/c it would have kept the nice little uncedrcard they had going intact. i think there is a possibility that they had planned on cancelling even before josh pulled out. barnett is a dck, but he was not the draw. it was fedor vs whoever..
by bdw on Jul 24, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should have done Monson vs. Fedor.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully this will mean that the Sengoku card will be airing on HDNET live instead of a week later.
by thepenismightier on Jul 24, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This kind of ruins my summer. Ive been looking forward to a Fedor fight forever.
I think im going to curl up in a ball and do the only thing that makes me happy, watch a fedor marathon on DVD.
by Rabbit915 on Jul 24, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Awww
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 24, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=9216&zoneid=2
A source close to the situation also informed MMAWeekly.com that Affliction’s pay-per-view provider, Showtime, played a major factor in the cancellation.
by Nick Thomas on Jul 24, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear they have a policy of only doing business with people whose heads are OUTSIDE their asses.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 24, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor's contract?
Is Fedor contracted to fight 3 times for them, or is he still available for talks with the UFC as of August 2nd?
If it’s the former, that sucks, he’s gonna be stuck in limbo now for awhile I fear…
Keep Swillin',
Bruz
by Bruz on Jul 24, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he can go fight outside the US
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor in Manchester, w00t!
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet he’s not signed the extension yet.
Again, I bet Fedor hasn’t signed the contract extension yet.
by Reciprocity on Jul 24, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh, you done fucked up. YOU DONE FUCKED UP GOOD!!!
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fuck postponing just give it up already. Join forces with Strikeforce and be done with it.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce can’t pay all those big contracts. More like most of those guys are going to the UFC.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 24, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The time is now…. Fedor vs. Lesnar…. Strikeforce obviously is not going to compete money wise. Japan is in shambles for MMA (both companies likely losing money). Fedor vs. Lesnar needs to happen. Which means Fedor needs to sign a multiple fight deal with the UFC.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 24, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fedor needs a couple of fights in the UFC first. UFC fans need to get to know him.
'Ello G'vnor!
by IHateMMA on Jul 24, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either way, he needs to be in the UFC.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 24, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor should fight Randy first. Get that one out of the way. Capt America against the Russkie? That’s Rocky IV.
by Reciprocity on Jul 24, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFC to clean up the mess?
How likely would it be for the UFC to step in and save this event and in turn take on all of the contracts that they want? That could be fun
by Davey S. on Jul 24, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t. If the UFC does that, they will take on all of Affliction’s debt. Financially, it would make better sense to kick back and let Affliction and all its fighter drown, then come in and vulture the remains.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Jul 24, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Fedor didn’t get the fight he was looking for.
'Ello G'vnor!
by IHateMMA on Jul 24, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Affliction NEEDS to sue Barnett and maybe this will set a precedent about fighters jeopardizing shows.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Affliction v. Josh Barnett
1. Comitted costs of production and all associated fees
2. Payroll for the cancelled show
3. Breach of contract
4. Lost advertising revenue
5. Emotional Distress (on behalf of us :)
by P4P is a stupid concept on Jul 24, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5.
Was thinking the same thing!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, except they would never recoup that much money from him.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Affliction NEEDS to sue Barnett and maybe this will set a precedent about fighters jeopardizing shows.
That’s stupid. If Peyton Manning got suspended for violating the NFL’s substance abuse policy would the Colts sue him??
Did the Dodgers sue Manny for getting suspended for 50 games??
It is the company’s responsibility to be able to maintain a show despite any unforeseen changes. Failed drug tests are a possiblity, and therefore, need to be accounted for. Not saying you need an “understudy” for every main event, but when something like this happens, it is all on the organization.
Saying Affliction should “sue” Barnett is extremely immature.
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by TheViking83 on Jul 24, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Stupid? Immature? Wow, I have no problem with you offering a differing opinion, but if you are going to sling words like that around, you might want to think it through first.
As for your actual differing opinion, how many times have pro athletes been sued or taken before the commissioner with the teams looking to void contracts, recoup bonuses/salaries, etc?
Of course there is a certain amount of wishful thinking in my opinion, but it isn’t as far off base as you try to make it out to be.
And I do agree, the loss of one fighter leading to the cancellation of a show, put the microscope on how ill prepared Affliction really was.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you can’t sue the fighter for failing a test.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t Monta Ellis lose oout on contract $$$ for his moped incident? It’s kind of in the same realm.
by CliChe Guevara on Jul 24, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I’m just saying that it isn’t completely out of the question. I’m not saying it will happen, or even that it is the best thing for the sport, just that I wish it would and make these guys legally held accountable.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 25, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I apologize in advance......
..but I have to respectfully contend that your conparison, and counterpoint, is stupid.
If the NFL and MLB jumped off a cliff, should Affliction? Didn’t we learn that in elementary school? It doesn’t matter….AT ALL….what anyone else has done.
The fact of the matter is that Affliction has invested millions in this event, and the entire investment has collapsed because of the BREACH OF CONTRACT of one Mr. Josh Barnett. They have effectively been robbed of millions of dollars because of the BREACH OF CONTRACT of this man. Yes, BREACH OF CONTRACT is illegal and is grounds to be sued in the United States of America.
I understand the point you are making, but the statues, laws and precidents of the United States of America suggest you are very, very incorrect and misinformed.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Jul 24, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It won’t work. That’s the same argument Kenny Williams was making when he was commenting on Manny Ramirez about testing positive for PED’s. MLB has a player’s union though, which is the main reason why lawsuits can’t take place in that circumstance. Unless it was built into the contract, Affliction won’t be able to do shit. It all has to do with sports law, and it probably won’t happen.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t want to speak for P4P, but I think I and probably him are both thinking along the same lines…that they should sue, but probably won’t. Just looking for a way for these athletes to be held accountable for their actions beyond what is already established.
Of course the problem in any situation like this, is probably, that they would have a hard time showing that this was the sole reason for the cancellation. It just stinks, because we all know if Barnett had not tested hot, then the show would probably go on.
On a side note, it truly is a shame, because i am seeing a ton of talk, print, coverage and even interest from casual fans about this. Maybe Affliction III would have been a success?
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree w/ you. I never said “Affliction would win the lawsuit”
But they should still sue him.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Jul 24, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no such thing as "sports law"
The technical legal field in question here is “Contract Law”. Barnett has not comitted a Tort. He has breached his contract, specifically the part that requires him to get licensed by the state comission. He did not complete this obligation, and has therefore not delivered performance.
Therefore, under United States law, Affliction Entertainment may sue in a court of law for any damages incurred as a result of Barnett’s breach of contract.
(We’re using the big-boy voice)
by P4P is a stupid concept on Jul 24, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not talking technical terms for the field it relates to. I understand it’s CONTRACT LAW.
But there are cases out there that have been under similar circumstances in which an athlete has causes damages to organizations, and those cases never come to fruition because it isn’t going to happen. It won’t ever work, and if it had any chance of actually working, team sports would have done it a long time ago. It’s a dead end.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree w/ you…. I don’t think much would come of it. If I was an owner of Affliction, however, I would get anything I could out of him as punishment, if nothing else. There is ZERO chance Barnett wins this lawsuit. Now, Afflction might not get anything, but Barnett would at least pay court costs and legal fees, so what does affliction ahve to lose?
by P4P is a stupid concept on Jul 24, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(We’re using the big-boy voice)
sounds more like the “pretentious” voice than the “big boy” voice.
But that’s to an uneducated naive like me, so what the hell do I know?
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by TheViking83 on Jul 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok......
forgive me. You are totally right. Let’s open up this flood gate and see what happens.
God… some people.
V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!
by TheViking83 on Jul 24, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"This isn't "Nam, Smokey.... there are rules."
by P4P is a stupid concept on Jul 24, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
overused quote in subject line...
check.
V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!
by TheViking83 on Jul 24, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok…now you’re grasping.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Jul 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know all of the verbage in Barnett's fight contract??
you are a super duper insider, man.
V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!
by TheViking83 on Jul 24, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would sue him if he didn’t give back the money from the signing bonus that he was supposed to.
The Falcons had to sue Vick to get part of the signing bonus back when he got sent away. that said, a signing bonus in a sport where all the contracts are collectively bargained is a lot different from what’s going on here.
I’m sure there will be no lawsuit because it really seems that this was just an crack in the glass that allowed Affliction to get out from the pile of shit they are in. they’re probably going to lose less money canceling the show than they would putting it on, this is just a convenient escape.
by Phildo on Jul 24, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As the day went on this became more evident. I just think it stinks that a guy can pull something like that and greatly damage the product, with little repercussion.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 25, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please move the Babalu/Mousasi and Santiago/Belfort fights to Strikeforce for the 2 title fights they scrapped. Those were the 2 fights that were the most intriguing anyway.
by xDieseLx on Jul 24, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Babalu/Mousasi for the Strikeforce belt? YES PLEASE!
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strip Overeem!
Fedor vs Werdum for the Strikeforce HW Title!!!
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey! Now you are crossing the line!!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor cannot and will not own an interim belt!
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think SF has a big opportunity here, whether it is getting fighters or just filling the void.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
AND PAUL DALY AND JAY HEIRON!!!!
"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
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by ekc on Jul 24, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I honestly feel bad for Atencio. Yes he is damned for flooding the world with his t-shirts (but i would sell them to for that kind of jack!), but he sincerely is a fan and wanted to provide a great product for the fans, ill conceived as it may have been at times.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would feel bad for Tommy, but after seeing his d-bag minions every weekend at the bars, the feeling of pity vanished rather quickly.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Jul 24, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
most of them dont even know what Affliction is
they just think the shirts are cool
watchkalibrun.com
by Zak Woods on Jul 24, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it is a well-known fact that monotone t-shirts with skeletons and wings that cost at least $50 make your d*ck grow longer…..especially when coupled with metrosexual glasses or lots of arm tats…. When I see these people, I just stare at them, shaking in awe, praying to God that they don’t try to steal my beer money….
BARF
One day I’m going to get drunk at a bar, and randomly punch of of these turds in the face just for fun. It’s bound to happen eventually.
by P4P is a stupid concept on Jul 24, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t be too sympathetic now when they’ve left a couple of dozen fighters in the cold for the second time in under a year. They’ve cancelled as many cards as they’ve held. I agree that they had good intentions but they went in way too aggressively.
by rabrown on Jul 24, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For sure there is something to trying to bite off more than you can chew, but like you said, I think his intentions were good and I will not be surprised to see the fighters compensated.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus it wasn’t that long ago that he was training for a fight instead putting his nose to the grind for this upcoming affliction. i think tom wants/wanted to be like dana too much. he was doing fine with his appareal co., making millions, then he decided he wanted to be a promoter? i think he saw how buddy-buddy dana was with all the fighters backstage (before the banning) and saw how dana was treated like a rockstar by the fans and wanted some of that for himself.
by bdw on Jul 24, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You feel bad for someone that has NOW SCREWED FIGHTERS FOR A SECOND TIME.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not for that, though I think they will be compensated, still not enough to mak eup for it but better than nothing. Simply that his intentions in promoting were good. Unfortunately, his business was nowhere near as good as his intentions.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His intentions in promoting were to MAKE MONEY
Atencio was not and is not running a fucking fighter’s charity here – it’s not altruism that led him here, it’s shitty business sense.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m taking Barnett’s mom out for a nice seafood dinner and NEVER calling her back!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Hey Barnetts mother is a saint!
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yep.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow why is Fedor’s manager even in that picture?
by CliChe Guevara on Jul 24, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because M-1 was co-promoting with Affliction.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A picture of six
guys who aren’t getting paid?
by Riney on Jul 24, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those people who did buy tickets I hope they got that insurance that is always offered – sure would suck to lose all that money.
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by lovingmma25 on Jul 24, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See the presser...
you’ll get a refund either way it seems
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Saddest Thing About All This Is...
We never learned who “Fedor’s” surprise opponent was going to be.
I heard Affliction already started sending out the media flyers and commercials for a “surprise” opponent, and it was between the 6 candidates. They were ready to go, but Showtime nixed it.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Rogers’ 800k was the bluff that got them to fold?
by Nick Thomas on Jul 24, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure who, but I don’t think the $$$ was the issue. It was the higher ups.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were going to pay Barnett much more than any of the replacements.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
= p
No offense to them… But i really hope they go under. Afflicition’s top stable of fighters in UFC = Fing Awesome…
by evilstuntz on Jul 24, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why people want Affliction to fail, but that won’t be the case. Many of the fighters in Affliction are already tied to other orgs. Fedor will be in upper tier M-1 shows, Babalu will keep fighting in Strikeforce, etc. Prob Vitor, but not too many others.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think affliction is done,2 cancelled/postponed shows out of 3 planned.
they have lost any credibility as a dependable organization.
time 2 ship off who’s left to strikeforce and ufc.
dream and shengoku can take the steroid abusers
by justizzer on Jul 24, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a perfect world.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Upper tier M-1 shows?
Look… Now you’re just kidding yourself. Fedor needs to bring in money from outside parties for there to be an M-1. They can’t personally bankroll him. That’s never going to happen.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
M-1 Breakthrough
is looking like a card without a main event…
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frye/King Mo is the best main M-1 has ever put on.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
= p
Thats one of their dang problems… Paying fighters so much… Against basic business sense.
by evilstuntz on Jul 24, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what say you, insider? Is Affliction done, son? lol
I really hope Strikeforce jumps on some of those fights that were supposed to take place.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 24, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
= p
At least Nick Diaz and Werdum won’t have trouble finding quality replacements… These guys are going to be begging to fight someone somewhere…
by evilstuntz on Jul 24, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure a couple will fight for Strikeforce, but Strikeforce isn’t picking up everyone.
Affliction still has contracts with the fighters, and M-1 is looking to start putting on some big shows, so, we will see. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have a show next month in LA, King Mo vs American Hero Guy.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is not a sign of things to come. It’s a really nice show, but they’re not going to continually ramp up their payroll. They absolutely, positively cannot implode by keeping Fedor in house. Their desire all along has been to be a mid-tier, up-and-comers org. Frye vs King Mo is hardly a big spenders main event.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In order for “M-1”’s business model to work with Fedor they always need someone in the equation willing to lose millions.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If leeching on Fedor was really all M-1 was about, then they wouldn't even bother with the M-1 Challenge promotions.
In fact, they’ve been running cards for 12 years.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what do you think funded those cards? Finkie has been riding Fedro’s back to the bank in order to fund his own promotion.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brock Lesnar
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
= p
Affliction isn’t a promotion and it never has been. They don’t have champions and their stable of fighters is only consistent amoung several athletes. They should let these fighters go to true promotions with viability and stop holding up the dang sport… I mean Dana White says some stupid things ,but he had a point when he said it was stupid for these guys to start right off the bat with Pay Per View.
“Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
- George Santayana
PPV almost killed the UFC and now its making Affliction impotent…
by evilstuntz on Jul 24, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
chill people
It’s the most proffesional outcome. It’s more a postponement until they can find a suitable opponent and give him time to train. Or find another state/country that will let Barnett fight.
I’ll bet we have an announcement in the next couple weeks announcing a new date and venue. It’s the best choice.
by Headkick on Jul 24, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
= p
True but the amount of money they lost on marketing and all the other expenses is going to hurt them.
Plus this’ll probably make their investors pesimestic about them ;and thats not something you want to do in a pesimestic economy.
by evilstuntz on Jul 24, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fighter are not going to be willing to fight for them again, having trained a full camp only not to be monetarily rewarded. No way Affliction moves on.
by thesource on Jul 24, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They?
Babalu signed to fight on August 1st, for example. He, therefor, is not contractually obligated to Affliction for shit.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In what world is this professional?
Can you imagine the UFC doing the same thing? This is two out of their four shows cancelled. If that’s professionalism, I’m a lawn chair.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
The UFC had to move one of their early shows practically overnight when a commision bailed on them.
And they still had the card. That’s professional.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, it’s a subtle difference between professionalism and balls-out incompetence…
Wait, no it’s not.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Has one failed steroid test ever done this much damage in MMA before? This is the leading contender for story of the year so far.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 24, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I think Barnett tests positive/Affliction: Trilogy canceled just surpassed UFC 100/Lesnar hates Bud Light as SOTY.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cancellation! Holy snikes! Josh Barnett might have single handedly killed Affliction like Kimbo killed EliteXC!
by Bandaka on Jul 24, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For the record, it was petruzelli that killed elitexc…
by kanodogg on Jul 24, 2009 2:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
For the record, it was the Shaw’s that killed EXC.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’m blaming Ken Shamrock.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
you dont even know a tenth of it.
"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
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by ekc on Jul 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does anyone know how ticket sales where doing for this event?
by bdw on Jul 24, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who thinks Affliction was just looking for a way out??
who!!!??
"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
shooter/cutter for AllElbows.com
by ekc on Jul 24, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't make any sense
I’m reading out there that Showtime wanted a big HW or bust
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably Good News
We probably don’t need another ppv mma provider. I spend enough money on the ufc as it is. Let Fedor go to the ufc, if he has the guts, and let’s see what happens.
by pwdminotauro on Jul 24, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wat
A whole card of fights being canceled a week out is not good news in any universe that I can imagine. It’s not good for the fans, it’s not good for the promotion, and it is least of all not good for the fighters.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I realize that
It’s obviously very shitty now for the fans and the fighters. I meant in the larger scale of things.
by pwdminotauro on Jul 24, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pounce
Now the UFC will be going after Fedor Emelianenko (god willing), Andrei Arlovski, Tito Ortiz, Takanori Gomi, Vitor Belfort, Chris Horodecki (WEC), Dan Lauzon (WEC), and a couple of other guys.
by thesource on Jul 24, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gomi I don't think wants to subject to exclusivity?
Here’s hoping anyway.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember he was in negotiations with the ufc as well as affliction.
by thesource on Jul 24, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, he was in negotiations with Strikeforce and Affliction.
He wants to fight in Japan and America.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana might be able to make that happen pretty soon, particularly with his help.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering which scenario is worse?
1) This situation with the event being completely canceled
or if this would have happened
2) Belfort pulling off the upset over Fedor
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Jul 24, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets say Belfort destroyed fedor, perhaps Affliction could promote Vitor as the best MW in the world?
by Bandaka on Jul 24, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
# 1 hands down
There are a bunch of other people on that card in some great fights who have been training for months only to have this happen.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3) Belfort finding out that Fedor’s power is ridiculous, having his arm broken off, and being clubbed like a baby seal with it, all inside the first round. Outcome: Everyone says Fedor beat a middleweight, sounds like the Lindland argument.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Guess there is just no winning situation then huh? :-)
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Jul 24, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Belfort won, it would have been a solid way to sit around screaming about how Vitor could potentially be the #1 MW. That’s about it. Fedor beating Belfort would receive the same reactions from the Lindland vs. Fedor fight… oh he beat a Middleweight, big deal.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Belfort won how much would that have affected Fedor’s credibility? (Don’t post from Dana White’s POV cause we would already know what he would say).
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Jul 24, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know. It’d be interesting. If he got straight knocked out quickly, a lot of people would probably start saying his age is becoming a monster factor. Credibility as a top heavyweight probably wouldn’t be ruined, but I think other fights within the division would open up big time.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana already wants Belfort and would have done anything to get him. After that, Dana would have continued to rail against Fedor and would have that fight to back it up. Everyone that is a casual fan of the sport would have then bought into Dana’s propaganda and the last big competition to the UFC would be eliminated.
That is the reason for my speculation.
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Jul 24, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce is and always has been the biggest challenger to UFC. They are taking things slowly, but keep growing. Affliction tried for one big shot, but that’s a silly strategy bound to fail.
by SES 84 on Jul 24, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce in no way wants to compete with the UFC. They are doing just fine in their own market. Most of the speculation about them competing with the UFC is from people who just want Zuffa to fail.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
^^^ x1000
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can see Vitor,maybe Mousasi,Tito and Santiago all going to UFC
Fedor and Gomi i have no clue
by justizzer on Jul 24, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really wanted to see Gomi in the US again too.
by Bandaka on Jul 24, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Moussasi. He has stated that he isn’t ready to make that commitment and he is also fighting in the Super Hulk tournament.
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Jul 24, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Numbers
I can’t imagine what the numbers are gonna be. All I know is that there’s gonna be a – symbol in front of it.
All because of One Man. One man…betrayed by his country…..willing to fight for blah blah blah
by Krimson on Jul 24, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Josh Barnett":
verb
1 The act of doing fatal damage to a highly anticipated event
2 To fail a test
3 To appear indifferent to the discomfort of others
Origin: North America, 2009
Example: “’I’m totally going to Josh Barnett this dynamics exam.”
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I’ve contacted Webster.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 24, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Many knew this would happen.
Myself and several other BE community members knew that Josh Barnett would find some way out of fighting Fedor. This failed drug test is the “meat head” way to do it and not look like a coward. I doubt that this will spell the end of Affliction but if it does I doubt Josh Barnett will care.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Jul 24, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I totally Josh Barnetted that UFC 100 bet”
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mlm
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Multi level marketing?
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by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Middle finger
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try this one
..l.. (-_-) ..l..
Bisping lover
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by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Barnett’d that DREAM.10 parlay. “Just one more! I’ll get away with it, I swear!”
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, just ask me first next time. :-D
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by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Subo’s girlfriend: "What the hell? You went limp? You totally Josh Barnett’d our first time!
Subo: Damn you Josh Barnett! DAMN YOU!
All in good fun.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your girl wasn’t saying that when I Manhoef’d all over her face
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by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Manhoef’d all over her face…? Hmmm, so you got knocked out on her face or armbarred? And why would you do that on her face, subo? Makes no sense.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, uh, that’s what she said?
But seriously, I did let her armbar it.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think right now that Vitor and Tito are deinately packing their bags to the ufc and i hope Jorge comes too.
that should all of a sudden make the middleweight division deep.
Anders,Hendo,Vitor,Jorge,Sexy,Wandy,Okami,Maia,Nate
by justizzer on Jul 24, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Jorge comes back to the UFC, I just hope he has more success than he did last time.
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Jul 24, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish the same for Buentello, though I suppose he won’t get the big win over Yvel that I thought could propel him back into the big show. (And vice versa for Yvel. What a crappy situation)
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how great would a Vitor / Wandy rematch be for Vitor’s return to the octagon
by gangstermonkey on Jul 24, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to see Wandy murder the hell out of some random TUF vet.
How about Vitor/Bisping @ 105?
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring in Manhoef for that job.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bisping by armbar.
Sorry.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Against random TUF vets, not Bisping, but I’d still take Manhoef.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manhoef Vs Nat Quarry would be one hell of a scrap.
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You would probably bet Manhoef against a tank.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manhoef’s dancing skills clearly defeat a tank.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bet he cannot out dance this tank.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He didn’t even dance. Image FAIL
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why do they always put the cannon there?
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by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why not?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 24, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is yours?
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by ufc4 on Jul 25, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bisping by armbar?
the guy who says his gameplan is to stay on the outside, jab and dodge is gonna win by an armbar…..hmmm
I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick some ass....and I'm all out of bubblegum.
by gangstermonkey on Jul 24, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manhoef has a bad habit of getting armbarred.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, by a very good Mousasi, the Donger, and Filho’s Herculean power. Against Bisping? Bisping dies.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bisping may no longer remember what an armbar is.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Leland’s mancrush of Manhoef shows itself again. =P
by Sokonojudo on Jul 24, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s right!
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Affiction is done
i bet ya Affiction folds in the next few weeks because of this,if Affiction folds,Josh Barnett was the Killer
by Curtis72094 on Jul 24, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Josh Barnett just became Dana White’s best friend
by gangstermonkey on Jul 24, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Updated the entry with full press release from affliction
Editor - BloodyElbow.com - SBNation's mixed martial arts headquarters.
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was just on the phone with Sylvia and Atencio called him.
If I can get any new details when tim calls me back I will post them here in this thread.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Jul 24, 2009 2:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
That press release is so depressing.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Angry puppy is looking at you Josh Barnett
by Sokonojudo on Jul 24, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 14 recs
LOL
I can’t stop laughing at this. Rec’d
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Finding an opponent for the number one ranked MMA heavy weight champion..."
not that it matters, but it’s interesting that they didn’t call him the WAMMA champ.
by woooburn on Jul 24, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The Babyfaced Assassin
just killed Affliction.
A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
by thetakeover on Jul 24, 2009 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually just heard some rumor that Dana White is actually going to make an announcement today, and it regards Fedor. Probably bullshit, but thought I’d mention it to our conspiracy theorists.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Im curious where you heard this rumor. Random internet site or an actual source?
by Rabbit915 on Jul 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heard it from another writer, a lot bigger than any of us. But he even mentioned that it’s probably not likely.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s pretty obvious that he is announcing when he is going to base jump off a building.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably..
Then he’ll say… “Oh yeah, Fedor sucks” The End
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s going to high five Barnett at the bottom stroke of his bungee jump.
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Yeah, he’ll announce that Barnett is actually the guy… and Dana White is the “guy behind the guy” Barnett handles the dirty work.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Barnett is the Keyser Soze of MMA.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 24, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crazy Conspiracy of the Day: Dana White paid Barnett 2 million in cash under the table to make sure Barnett took steroids just to bring Affliction’s event down. Sources: Tin Foil Hat Dude
by Sokonojudo on Jul 24, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think Dana Is...
the “guy behind the guy” who decided to piss test Barnett a month before the show.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Jul 24, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Announcing the signing of Belfort in an attempt to lure Fedor…
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ZOMG!!!!!
Coleko was right!!!!
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Was waiting for that!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh god…
Hey guys, how about this? We have a one night heavyweight tournament, except Fedor fights everyone. Sounds awesome right?
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the FEDOR rumble
8 HW grappling match!
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The truth is out! Barnett was actually a double agent working for Dana and intentionally failed the drug test by procuring a vial of A-Rod’s urine, thus forcing the collapse of Affliction. And this was secretly funded by the Bush Administration.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was also seen with Madonna! CONSPIRACY!
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of this, just so Dana can start wearing his Affliction shirts again…
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyones gotta love a good conspiracy but i agree with u…. bullshit
I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick some ass....and I'm all out of bubblegum.
by gangstermonkey on Jul 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Huge announcement!!!!!
Fedor vs Lesnar in my backyard tonight! I will provide burger’s and beer and my drunk uncle Mike is going to ref.. This is going to be awesome! I even paid some skanks from the trailer park to be ring girls.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Jul 24, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Will there be Kimbo shirts?
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, my daughter is “puff painting” Kimbo shirts in the garage right now.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Jul 24, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you got the puffing part right …
A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
by thetakeover on Jul 24, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barnett is a villain for killing Affliction III.
If it somehow forced Affliction t-shirt company completely out of business, would he be a hero?
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No way, Affliction t-shirts are totally awesome. Without those shirts what would I wear to the gym?
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Jul 24, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally bullshit. I bet they cost a buck to make. I had one that was actually not terrible looking. Tore that piece of shit apart in a day at the gym.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The first run of shirts were nice and I bought a handful. The necks on those things stretch out permanently when you reach for a glass of water. Of course, they were 20 bucks at the time. Now you pay like 80 for the same shitty shirts.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck those shirts.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey, I won a shirt via Twitter. It was for Trilogy, except the back of it was off center. But hey, I got like 10 free posters as well. Now all COLLECTIBLES!
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re lucky they’ll be worth as much as XFL memorabilia
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean TRILLIONS??
My bank vault is loaded with Hehateme jerseys.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Manhoef posters??
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Affliction Trilogy posters.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wear what the rest of us do...
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What many people don’t know is that Richard Simmons is a dangerous Martial Artist.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Jul 24, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just watch out for his rear naked choke.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Jul 24, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The move is called rear naked gagger.
'Ello G'vnor!
by IHateMMA on Jul 24, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rear naked poke…
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Once he sinks in the third hook, it’s all over. (in Goldy voice)
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then Affliction shirts would become collectors’ items. Do you really want that?
Keep firing Assholes!
Thanks to Bisping's reenactment of the Battle of Cowpens, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.
by Ubernoober on Jul 24, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could have a wing in the UFC Hall of Fame…
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Affliction will try again. Attencio is a persistent dude. One more show.
Would you watch?
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Jul 24, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NO I WONT WATCH MMA
wat
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
Where are the decrees of “I will never watch MMA again!” like the fallout from Lesnar saying he likes Coors Light? Those d00dz were everywhere.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing that would make me stop watching, but I don’t know if I would spend the $ for another Affliction show.
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Jul 24, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I was going to buy this card.
I think I’m done.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was already borderline not ordering it after the Barnett deal, but my buddy agreed to pay for the whole thing.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it's a good enough card, why not?
If it’s not a good card, why ask?
I don’t see how this changes anything.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty much. If its a good card, I will buy and watch.
Not too hard to figure out.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Barnett's doping single-handedly kills a whole event.
Wow. There should be a new term for such a thing. I know there are phrases out there to signify a collosal fuck-up, like the word “fubar”, but there should be an MMA equivalent. Like, “Man, he totally pulled a BARNETT.” or “They got JOSHED.” I dunno. Just a thought. :)
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by pud333 on Jul 24, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I suppose this even tops Randleman knocking himself out prefight.
Never thought I’d see the day
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shammrock's pummeling cut comes to mind as well.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Jul 24, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we include Jutaro Nakao's "staredown" of Herring?
I mean, he did get a rather unique nickname out of that.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shit, wrong Nakao
Why did I bother to specify.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ubernoober beat you to it @ 11:26 am.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Jul 24, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang. That’s what I get for not bothering to read every post. ha!
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Jul 24, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barnett-Cro Cop 3
Here’s a link to the fight. I’m thoroughly enjoying watching Barnett get beat down.
http://www.myvideofight.com/Pride/Mirko-Cro-Cop-vs-Josh-Barnett-3-PRIDE-Final-Conflict
by Sokonojudo on Jul 24, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who doesn’t love that video?
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by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALSO
According to Paul Daley’s Facebook status, his fight with Hieron was also going to be canceled because of visa paperwork that wasn’t completed in time. That may also have something to do with the cancellation.
by Luke Thomas on Jul 24, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Interesting.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, so two fights were pretty much out.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s next? Babalu slips in the shower.
by Sokonojudo on Jul 24, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Babalu only takes bubble baths. Don’t ask how I know that.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The doping I understand. A fighter trying to get an illegal leg-up on his opponent. But paperwork not being done in time is just retarded. wow.
I love me some Sexyama!
by pud333 on Jul 24, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daley/Diaz would be an okay replacement fight.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where the Hell is Noons? Though I guess he wouldn’t want to fight at 170.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s punch-drunk at some boxing gym in California.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol, nice!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone is blaming Barnett…
Listen fighters cant make fights for all kinds of reasons…
Yeah he’s a moron but It’s affliction fault the rest of the fighters arent getting paid… after they spent all this time training. And this is the second time affliction has done this.
Look at how many fights got cancelled on the strikeforce card – they are still having the show and paying the fighters.
by mmalogic on Jul 24, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Their main eventer didn’t jack the card 10 days out. Who knows, they might. But they have a lot more time to fill the holes in their lineup.
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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no excuse for not holding the card
They’d have still seen their standard 85-100k buyrate as long as Fedor was fighting. Hell, they’d have probably saved money because of Josh’s stupidity.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
There are enough “hardcore” (I really don’t like that term) fans that would have provided for the 85-100K buyrate.
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Jul 24, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MDS reports...
Fedor Emelianenko is currently on a plane and will land in Los Angeles this afternoon…
Someone better call Godzilla… we need to be saved.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where's Dana
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…onto Fedor’s back.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we can only hope
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 24, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone call Todd Beard
His buddy is about to get arm-barred.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait till Barnett’s second sample comes back clean….
(I know. Won’t happen.)
by SanDiegoMMA.net on Jul 24, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure if someone hit this already but...
“It’s not just that you have to have the competent, organizational machinery in place, you also have to get lucky.”
I’ll agree, it takes a lot of work to pull something like this off, probably more then almost anyone could hope to grasp, but to call what the big shows do all the time is luck, I think is doing a major disservice to the behind the scenes people that make these events happen time after time. If a promotion can’t field an event because one fighter failed a test, I think it speaks more for the promotion then the people working for it, or luck
just my two cents
by proflex on Jul 24, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On the flip side, it definitely takes some bad luck for a shit storm of this magnitude to develop.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I just don’t think that luck can come into question just because of one fighter, what about the rest of the card, why do they have to pay because Affliction can’t pull together a main event, or even promote a fight to the main event.
by proflex on Jul 24, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I vote Space Ghost.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tom Atencio and those behind Affliction
should decide whether they want to keep trying at this whole “mixed ultimate fighting” thing and if they do, they need to go on a search to find a new guy to head up the operations who is a proven winner. Someone like the guy who built XFC up to a promotion that averages well over 10k in attendance with no bigger names than Gan the Giant, John Prisco.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 24, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol @ mixed ultimate fighting!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honest Question:
How did Tom Atencio get his gig? What was his history prior to Affliction that made those in charge think he could handle the bigs?
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 24, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He threw up on t-shirts
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by subo on Jul 24, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly dude
Go get John Prisco or someone like him, let him handle things his way and Affliction will be good to go. Ive never understood taking such a huge monetary gamble on someone who has no proven track record relevant to their mission.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 24, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atencio has been around the fight game for a long time, well before the T-shirts. The promotion was started with Affliction money, it’s no wonder Affliction was running it.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What promotions did he run?
i knew he was in the industry but i didnt know what capacity
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 24, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everybody's gotta run their first promotion sometime.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but not everybody has to run Affliction MMA their first time.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 24, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The owner of Affliction might have more ability to do that than some others.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if its my money
That Im investing, Im going to go find someone who has succeeded as an MMA promoter in the past with at least a midlevel promotion. That way theres less risk of my entire promotion tanking one week shy of the event essentially because one fighter couldnt make it.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 24, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do tell how
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I agree in principle, but other than wasting a lot of money (which has admittedly been a real problem) and canceling imminent fight cards (which might not be completely their call), I don’t know what Tom Atencio or Affliction did so wrong that a Scott Coker would have done so right.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have to go to work ill explain my view more later
again: my view, which is severely limited
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 24, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind that the chief investors in the predominant MMA promoter were strongly considering selling their stake until a certain startlingly successful reality show gave the sport a boost.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both of those skeletons want to eat that white chocolate cross, but only one can have it. The suspense is killing me..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
In Atencio's defense
That’s not a T-shirt
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 25, 2009 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Affliction/Strikeforce merger?
We’ll learn how close it is to becoming a reality by the reaction to the MMA overload in August.
Affliction itself is fighting simply for survival. Several sources have said that Affliction and Strikeforce will have some type of merger with Strikeforce retaining its name. Affliction’s Tom Atencio denied any merger is imminent, and Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker is in Italy on vacation and couldn’t be reached for comment.
However, two independent sources told Yahoo! Sports a deal is either completed or on the verge of completion.
by Sokonojudo on Jul 24, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
=)
Like I said, Showtime and Fedor on CBS.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 24, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be
VERY good for the odds of getting Fedor in the UFC by making him a household name and then forcing the UFC’s hand, right?
OR OH SHAT
Brock Lesnar to Strikeforce suckaaasss
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 24, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seth Petruzzelli is ready.
'Ello G'vnor!
by IHateMMA on Jul 24, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah!
You call everything.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this needs to happen, though it should just be SF absorbing Affliction. Then establish a working relationship (or further one) with Dream and WVR, who also need to merge.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is more likely that FEG wipes their hands of full time MMA promotion that it a merger with WVR happens.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolute worst idea of all time
Unless Coker doesn’t have to put up any of the money and the t-shirt guys do.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not buying this Showtime bullshit for a minute. I’m sure they were upset, but this is just Affliction passing the blame.
Bottom line is Affliction’s been trying to get out of the fight business ever since their first show. This gave them the cover they needed to do it, and my guess is the real money people in charge of Affliction said “enough is enough” and pulled the plug.
A “merger” with Strikeforce still raises the question of exactly who will pay Fedor, there’s no way Strikeforce is paying anyone $2 million.
by Michael Rome on Jul 24, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
That’s the point I was just making. Strikeforce isn’t in the paying fighters 500k+ business. Their business model is much more prudent and I would be positively sick if they went down the Elite XC “we can do this shit” road to nowhere.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah even Shamrock only got like 400k, and it seemed like nobody else on that card made very much at all.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 24, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just got an update from Daley's manager
He does not believe the status of his fight affected the decision to cancel the event.
by Luke Thomas on Jul 24, 2009 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bleh. Less MMA to watch now. This sucks.
Hopefully all the fighters can rebound and get themselves signed somewhere.
by a tommy point on Jul 24, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So what did I miss?
Horrible consequences. Dana must feel awesome. I’m going to take a look at josh barnett’s twitter tonight, I expect lynching.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
by spectaa on Jul 24, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the text message I got this morning sums my feelings up perfectly: Well fuck me dead. Affliction canceled altogether :(
"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy
by Benicio on Jul 24, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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