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What's the Upside for Fedor Emelianenko?

Fedor_mediumSince Josh Barnett tested positive for anabolic steroids, we've been treated to non-stop news covering the plethora of MMA fighters tossing their names into the hat that Tom Atencio and Affliction can draw from to book an opponent for Fedor Emelianenko . Those names include Jeff Monson, Brett Rogers, Vitor Belfort, Fabricio Werdum, Don Frye, Muhammed "King Mo" Lawal, Tank Abbott, and Bobby Lashley.

Interestingly enough, Fedor Emelianenko has gone from taking on Josh Barnett, the USAT/SBN MMA rankings consensus, but arguable #2 ranked heavyweight in the world, to fighting either non-top ten competition or fighters moving up in weight. Where's the upside in the current situation for Fedor Emelianenko?

For hardcore fans, the match-up between Fedor and Barnett would have been a climactic bout between two of the world's premier heavyweight mixed martial artists. A bout that had taken years to come to fruition. It would have provided Fedor with another huge win to put on his resume, and it would have further increased his claim as the greatest heavyweight fighter in MMA history.

It may have also created more intrigue among casual fans for a Fedor vs. Lesnar showdown in the UFC, and it could have continued to pressure Dana White and the UFC brass to work out a deal with Fedor. That's probably wishful thinking, but the point is that a Fedor win over Barnett had a big upside.

Fedor is in a no-win situation now. A loss by Fedor would be unbelievable for whoever managed to defeat him, but a win for Fedor is most likely expected from every fan tuning in. Right now, Lesnar vs. Fedor is truly the only fight that fans will actually have to think hard about when analyzing who would win.

Let's review each option and see what's in it for Fedor.

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Out of all of the options being presented to Fedor, is it really that surprising that Fedor wants a better match-up than Vitor Belfort? No, it isn't. Belfort will be an undersized opponent that has legitimate speed and striking power to stun Fedor, but what's the upside if Fedor rag dolls Vitor into a corner and defeats him with a huge punch or quick submission? Most fans don't realize how tough it actually is for a heavyweight to battle a powerful, fleet-footed puncher like Vitor, but fans would generally shrug a win off by Fedor as "expected" against a smaller foe.

Brett Rogers and Jeff Monson are also in the hunt for a showdown with Fedor. The only truly intriguing match-up in terms of an actual top ten fighter who has a recent common opponent with Fedor is Brett Rogers. Rogers managed to knockout Andrei Arlovski almost instantly, and many fans are interested in seeing how Fedor would handle the bigger Rogers. The only downside is that Rogers remains untested on the ground in his submission defense, and most hardcore fans are easily under the impression that Fedor could quickly submit Rogers. Again, a win here may simply be filed under "expected".

A match-up against Jeff Monson is a tad different. It's tough to gauge the interest in Jeff considering his stint in the UFC was quite awhile ago. His casual fan appeal is probably lacking, but he does present an interesting danger to Fedor in the grappling department. He's also managed to rattle off seven straight wins, and he has the momentum and confidence coming into a fight in a week to be a winner. Monson's stand-up game, however, is nearly non-existent, and many hardcore fans would point out that Monson could get crushed inside two minutes because it'll be very tough for him to actually take Fedor to the floor.

Where's this leave us? No matter who Fedor fights, there isn't too much upside in beating any of his potential opponents. Hardcore fans could easily see the upside in defeating a speedier Vitor Belfort, but most casual fans wanting to see Fedor take on the #2 ranked heavyweight in the world would simply say Fedor was a heavyweight fighting a middleweight. Rogers and Monson present different dangers in the ring, but do they truly have the star power to give Fedor a boost if he wins?

How can we turn this into a winning situation for the Russian? Turn this match-up into an opportunity to promote Fedor to the fullest. I doubt this will happen considering rumors that Affliction is probably done after this event, but bringing in a character like Don Frye isn't a half-bad idea.

Don Frye spitting "commie" comments and pushing an All-American themed rally cry in Rocky Balboa form would probably garner some more interest from casual fans. Fedor has the perfect Russian stoic personality while Frye is your typical loud bar regular who hates "commies". Give Don Frye every opportunity to talk smack, and begin pushing the angle for America to hate Fedor Emelianenko so much that they truly believe Don "The All-American Firefighter" Frye is going to avenge Apollo Creed's death. It's a whole lot better than seeing Fedor crush a middleweight or two heavyweights with major weaknesses. Sure, Frye has weaknesses, but everyone would forget about that after he brings back the Cold War.

Yeah, yeah... wishful thinking. In my opinion, Fedor is probably going to crush whoever Affliction decides to pit him against. There won't be an ounce of upside for Fedor, and he'll probably trail off into obscurity fighting lesser fighters in Japan. We can only really hope Ricardo Arona returns to form down the road for a rematch, or Alistair Overeem's hand actually heals for a showdown in Japan against Fedor. Those are the only match-ups that would interest this hardcore fan.

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Good article. For my money, a real anarchist is better than a fake communist. I think Fedor should pull out of the card and be replaced with Monson versus Frye as the main event. Just imagine the epic promos they would cut on each other. Tattoos versus mustache, America flag versus “Imagine there’s no countries”, I’m genuinely getting excited just thinking about it.

by Jahbulon on Jul 24, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL, American muscle vs. Anarchist’s cookbook!

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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t mean this as a sleight towards Fedor, unless it would be directed at his choice of management, but there is about the same upside here, as there was in about half of his past fights.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

This is true… but the AA fight got so much hype toward fight time… that people generally believed he could get crushed by AA’s speed. So, in some instances, there was some upside. The Sylvia fight was different as well because toward fight time, many people thought Sylvia’s size could be a problem. Looking back now after Sylvia’s loss to Mercer and AA’s loss to Rogers, it’s tough to think that there was hype at the time, but there was.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

He’s probably thinking about Hong Man Choi and Lindland more than AA and Sylvia.

by Jahbulon on Jul 24, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

definitely.

At the times, AA and Sylvia were widely considered as top HWs.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Jul 24, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't fall into the trap

of using hindsight.
Never forget that a devastating defeat, like the ones that Sylvia and Arlovski suffered can make fighters a shell of their former selves.

Its not just the physical impact of the concussions, its also the psychological impact of losing your big shot at the #1 guy in the game. In my opinion, the value of can only be evaluated based on the fighters’ rankings at the time. Future performance in no way indicates a fighter’s caliber at a point in the past.

The things that go into making a winning fighter are endless and include the physical and mental aspects as well as coaches, training camps, management, friends and family, etc.

There is no way to know how even small changes in any of the key factors will impact a fighter. Fighters like Mark Kerr, Ricco Rodriguez, Phil Baroni and Carlos Newton all basically fell off the table as legit contenders but that doesn’t mean they weren’t fearsome foes at their peaks.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, but that’s a mindset of a hardcore fan in my mind. Casual fans, and even some of the crazies in our community at times, may look back and say… well, AA ended up being terrible after he got crushed by Fedor… AA wasn’t a legitimate win.

I would never look at it like that, but it happens constantly.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two words: Showcase Fight

I guess we all forgot how Sylvia got turned into a commercial. If Monson, Vitor, or whoever gets pasted onto the man’s Highlight Reel, then when Affliction and/or M-1 works something out with Strikeforce to bring him to CBS with the tag-line “Fedor is Coming,” it will seem that much more imposing. Remember, a lot of his PRIDE highlights are owned by Zuffa. But put together the right kind of video package, put that bad boy on CBS, and there will be something won in an overly expensive, somewhat hollow, victory.

by madiq on Jul 24, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I understand this point, but it seems like every fight Fedor is in is a showcase fight. It’s almost to the point where his torrid streak of crushing wins just isn’t enough for fans anymore. I think your idea would work though.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mousasi

I think I saw his name mentioned early, but that was it. Why hasn’t Mousasi been in the running? He’s fighting at LHW and has already claimed he wants to move to HW. The weight differential wouldn’t be nearly as great and his youth/talent might even give him a shot.

by JBenjamin on Jul 24, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Because Mousasi vs. Babalu is an awesome fight for one… and two, Mousasi has been training with Fedor.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's all about the money

Gents,

In plain terms, its all about the money. Whoever has the most face recognition will be the fighter to sell this limping card. For the money it’d have to be Brett Rogers. He’s been on mainstream television more than any of the other hopefuls and has the most exposure. Sure we could argue about talent, but casual fans don’t care. They want the vicious knockout, the highlight reel.

That’s my point, the rest is wishful thinking.

by JAYGK95 on Jul 24, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I would too!

I’ve never studied a day of BJJ or any other martial art. But for a shot at that paycheck to take the fall?

Sheeeeeyit, I’d be happier than a Tornado in a trailer park!!

by JAYGK95 on Jul 24, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good writing until the Don Frye part. I hope that was just a joke. Luckily, Affliction has a decent track record of trying to put together meaningful fights that fans want to see – and I don’t see a fight with Frye as being either meaningful or something fans want to see.

I’ve said it before, but the problem with Rogers and Monson are that they won’t have the proper preparation. It’s a hard sell to me. They’d be trying to convince us that some guy who didn’t even get the chance to properly prepare is going to be a legitimate threat to the supposed baddest man on the planet. That being said, I don’t think most fans would take that aspect into consideration.

by Meeaaat on Jul 24, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions  

It was just a joke.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speak for yourself...

…I would love to see Frye get in the ring against Fedor.

by MetsGod on Jul 24, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

BABALU VS FEDOR 2!!

Ok I got one that NOBODY has mentioned….BABALU! I know he is supposed to fight Moussasi but this would leave the Belfort/Santiago intact and is interesting for multiple reasons: First and foremost not many people know but these two fought along time ago I belive in the RINGS promotion. The rules were a little different but Babalu pretty much gave Fedor all he could handle.

This would also give Fedor an opponent with some credibility. He would only be moving up one weight class and he is a legit top 10 guy in his division. Babalu walks around at 215-220 so he would only be giving up 20 lbs at most. It would be an intriguing style matchup (bjj-luta-livre vs sambo), and Affliction could really push it as an epic rematch 8 years in the making!

Come on people lets push for Fedor vs Babalu 2!! It seriously makes the most sense out of all the options thrown out so far.

by MMANut25 on Jul 24, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Babalu vs. Mousasi is such a good fight, there was no way. Doesn’t really matter now.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The upside for him now?

Well he doesnt have a fight any time soon. I guess he can start drinking vodka again.

by Rabbit915 on Jul 24, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep

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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we're in the wiseass section

The upside to every one of the opponents you mentioned is that he wouldn’t have flown across the Pacific for no reason.

by Phildo on Jul 25, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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