Cheick Kongo vs. Frank Mir at UFC 107?
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 24, 2009 10:46 AM EDT
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According to sportsnet.ca the fight could happen at the December 13 card:
Cheick Kongo, one of Bisping's Wolfslair teammates, is also angling to have a fight at the end of this year.
A source close to Kongo informed Sportsnet that the French striker is tentatively scheduled to face Frank Mir at UFC 107 in Memphis, TN....
Mir's camp has stated they have yet to hear of this fight request, but have stated they are definitely interested in fighting Kongo.
UFC 107 is penciled in for December 13 and will most likely be headlined by Cheick Kongo's teammate, Quinton "Rampage" Jackson as he finally faces off against opposing TUF 10 coach, Rashad Evans.
The fight is far from being finalized, but if it was to push through, it would be an interesting match between two heavyweight contenders.
Frank Mir has shown improved stand-up skills, but will it be enough to defeat a dangerous striker like Kongo? Cheick Kongo, despite being manhandled by a very good wrestler in Cain, has also shown improved takedown defense. If it gets to the ground I think Mir has a huge advantage, but can he get it there?
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Props on that Sir
"He built his whole reputation (as a) waffle house chef. They've been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes." - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
Well nick is the genious behind those weigh in staredown pics..
I just used the fight staredown to be a bit different. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 24, 2009 12:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Easy fight for Mir – I transition more in my sleep than Kongo a fight. Mir is a submission specialist, and so long as he gets it to the ground and avoids getting drilled, he should get the tapout.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 24, 2009 5:46 AM EDT reply actions
Agree with this^^
George Lucas is a major douche bag... do everyone a favor and forget how to use the internet.
by Gunslinger20 on Jul 24, 2009 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, but
Mir isn’t exactly the best wrestler out there.. If Kongo can keep it standing, he has a decent chance of winning.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 24, 2009 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a feeling my Grandmother could take Kongo down if she tried
And she has been dead for 3 months.
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by Well Read Idiot on Jul 24, 2009 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, considering kongo's mindboggling performance against herring ...
… frank might get a little help getting it to the ground
My bet is on kongo. Mir let me down last time, kongo didn’t (well he was just being himself minus a gas tank). He doesn’t even need to work on his ground game, there is no way he catches up with mir in 3 months anyway. Don’t make stupid mistake (don’t go for a fu**ing takedown), defend takedowns (in my memories Mir always happens to end up being on the ground somehow, but I fail to remember any of his takedowns) and knock him out.
That’s the only french fellow I can cheer for anyway so please bear my bias.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
That’s the only french fellow I can cheer for anyway so please bear my bias.
Are there others?
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
Good point – the rest of the French-language speakers in the UFC are French Canadian, are they not?
"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.
"The training's going great for UFC 101. I'm making sure not to overtrain." - B.J. Penn.
by outlander78 on Jul 24, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t think of any other french MMA fighters, but I’m admittedly not an encyclopedia :)
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
Last go-round, some of GSP’s striking coaches were French nationals. There seem to be a lot of French kick boxers, as there are American wrestlers or Brazilian grapplers. Is there a tradition there? (I don’t know a damn thing about France, except for what happened during the Napoleonic and 20th century “great” wars.)
"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.
"The training's going great for UFC 101. I'm making sure not to overtrain." - B.J. Penn.
by outlander78 on Jul 24, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
There should be a decent number of savate practitioners from France. I think its the closest thing to an indigenous martial art that France has.
by HarryBolsagna on Jul 24, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Samy Schiavo… and Jess Liaudin was part French.
"Japan panics about the rise of "grass-eating men," who shun sex, don’t spend money, and like taking walks."
Did they all get married?
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by Nick Travaglini on Jul 24, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Cyril Diabate!
and everybody should feel ok rooting for the snake
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
I think he’s in negotiations to get into the UFC. Needless to say, that would rule.
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by Rundownloser on Jul 24, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He got a fair amount of exposure on TUF 9 so I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw him soon. Last fight I saw of his was him doing mean things to Lodune Sincaid at a Palace Fighting Championships event.
He’s pretty scary on the feet.
"Japan panics about the rise of "grass-eating men," who shun sex, don’t spend money, and like taking walks."
Did they all get married?
- Ubernoober
He would have beaten Shogun under the unified rules. Shogun was losing until he took Diabate down & stomped on his head repeatedly. Good ol’ Chute Boxe…
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 26, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
that Shogun’s method of attack would’ve been slightly different if he weren’t allowed to stomp.
Fact of the matter is, Shogun took him down at will, and likely would’ve beat him up on the ground regardless.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 26, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I know Jess Liaudin, David Baron, Samy Schiavo, not really high profile. Almost forgot professor X.. Not really a good year for french fighters in the UFC. I don’t remember the rest.
You don't look like a Tanaka.
Nope.
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by Rundownloser on Jul 24, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair
You’re a very restless sleeper.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It creepy that you know that [checks for hidden cameras]
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 24, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a fight that kind of makes sense. Kongo is a guy who was at the door of a title shot; Mir just lost the intrim belt. Whoever wins here is right back in line. I hope they can make this one happen, and I hope Kongo can develop some submission defense.
More like Mir was forced to throw away that FAKE belt.
And for that I am thankful.
There is only one UFC HW Champion and that is Brock Lesnar.
I like the matchup
The winner will probably be one fight away from a title fight, and either one of them will have to go through Velasquez or Carwin or CC or Dos Santos to get there. Bueno!
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is a very solid fight, I think Kongo with a full camp could actually work on takedown defense. Will that make him a division I wrestler after 3 months? Of course not, but Frank Mir is not the greatest wrestler in the world, but he can pull off submissions from anywhere. I really like this fight, and if it does get signed and no injuries happen, this UFC 107 card is looking sharp.
Who else is scheduled besides Rampage/Rashad?
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by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 9:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
according to Wiki
Those are the only 2 matchups up to this point.
I’m just stoked that the UFC is coming to Memphis! Rampage is a Raleigh-Egypt grad. So this is homecoming for him.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
That’s what I thought. It’s a good start but I want to see a few more matchups first. I’m planning on going so I hope they put a few more interesting fights on there.
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by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 8:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It will be Hardonk vs. Mir II
Easy payday for Mir.
I’m a sucker for fights that puts guys with similar strengths together. I’d rather see Mir fight Gonzaga and Kongo fight Barry. I seem to be in a minority though, people enjoy the striker vs grappler matchups…
Why? So Barry can come out and try to prove he can punch instead of using his strength in kicks? Ugh… he crushed my parlay.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 24, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
That was unbelievably stupid of him.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
didn’t use kicks when? Against Hague? The fight went like 45 seconds on the feet and he threw 3 head kicks. 1 head kick for every 15 seconds sounds like a lot to me. Obviously the leg kicks he threw against Evenson were brutal and a much smarter fight. It seems like he was guilty of headhunting because he didn’t respect Hague and he was trying too hard for a highlight reel knockout (and bonus money) against a rather weak opponent.
Maybe its going to be a trend for the guy though. He’s not going to win many fight bonuses busting up people’s knees with low kicks.
To be fair
It’s possible that Hague does not suck.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but not likely
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by ufc4 on Jul 24, 2009 8:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Have you seen his fights?
The guy’s a top control machine, and he’s a BIG dude. If he gets groomed correctly, he could turn into a force.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 26, 2009 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Mir takes this easily, so don’t argue with me, lol.
Forget this fight, let’s see my man Gabe Gonzaga vs Chuck Kongo. It would be a battle of guys who get back in line, fight for a probable title shot and then lose. Rinse, repeat. Maybe then, one of them can win the big fight to get the shot!
This made me think, that I would like to see the UFC do more cards that have a theme, like camp vs camp, country vs country, etc… Doesn’t have to be every card, but this could set up some fun rivalries like the old Chute Box days in Pride.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Maybe then, one of them can win the big fight to get the shot!
lol
This made me think, that I would like to see the UFC do more cards that have a theme, like camp vs camp, country vs country, etc… Doesn’t have to be every card, but this could set up some fun rivalries like the old Chute Box days in Pride.
I disagree. I would rather see deserving fighters get the fights they deserve. Deservedly so.
I couldn’t get into the IFL for that reason, honestly. While the fights were mostly good and fun to watch, I just can’t bring myself to care about ‘teams’ or such. But that’s just me.
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
I'm with you
Teams mean nothing to me inside the octagon,
Great for getting fighters ready, but come fight time, you have a wolf pack of 1. (The Hangover, anyone?)
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Jul 24, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying each fight on the card is ATT vs Jacksons or Brazil vs USA, simply that they have like 3 fights or so with that theme, and that is how they promote it. And not fights based around those camps, but rather set up a big fight like Rashad vs Rampage, then add a couple fights with their teammates that make sense.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
And remember, I’m only saying do this on occasion, nit every time out.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
From what little I know of MMA training methods, it seems that fighters are usually only as good as their camps and training partners. Some camps collect high-end fighters as a standing group (Wolf’s Lair, ATT etc), while others like GSP and Lesnar fly in experts.
So teams don’t fight in the cage, but they largely govern what skills and skill levels are present at the fight.
Other than Chuck, I can’t think of any one-hit wonder camps – they are usually either collections of greats, or not. Are their other top-tier guys working out of mid-tier or worse camps?
"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.
"The training's going great for UFC 101. I'm making sure not to overtrain." - B.J. Penn.
by outlander78 on Jul 24, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Minnesota Martial Arts Academy is a pretty decent camp. Greg Nelson seems to know what he’s doing and they’ve also got Sean Sherk, Brock Larson and YAMMA Pit Fighting runner-up, Chris Tuschererrerererer.
"Japan panics about the rise of "grass-eating men," who shun sex, don’t spend money, and like taking walks."
Did they all get married?
- Ubernoober
Yeah he asked for a not top tier camp with a top tier guy, his camp is good but not top tier and brock just becames god tier so thought it worked. Now I’d like an example of top tier fighters in bad camps. Do we have any?
You don't look like a Tanaka.
Brian Bowles?
I’m not saying the Hardcore Gym is a bad camp, by ANY means, but Bowles is one of the best bantamweights in the world, and the only other familiar names at that gym are Rory Singer and Cale Yarbrough.
"He hit like a bitch."
Forrest Griffin came from Hardcore Gym originally, don’t forget. But I do think it’s not a top tier camp per say, but more along the lines of a mid-level place.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Jul 24, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock Lesnar?
Ah! Yes. Brock Lesnar.
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I like the idea but it seems that it would make it even more difficult to get fighters from the same camp to fight each other. It would be great for team unity though.
by HarryBolsagna on Jul 24, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Nick Travaglini on Jul 24, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait a second
December 13th is a Sunday…..
last I had heard the card was either going to be on the 12th or the 19th…. guess that means the 12th
by davidhamilton83 on Jul 24, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions
The 19th is a bit too close to Christmas, isn’t it? Hell, I’m surprised it isn’t pushed to New Year’s Eve – is 108 Dec 31st or in 2010?
"I'd love to be a Cheick Kongo looking brother that could actually move and do a lot of funky stuff - Jiu Jitsu, takedowns, kicks and stuff." - Jon Jones.
"The training's going great for UFC 101. I'm making sure not to overtrain." - B.J. Penn.
by outlander78 on Jul 24, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
isnt it supposed to be on January 2nd?
wasnt 92 on the 27th of december last year?
by davidhamilton83 on Jul 24, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
If Mir can...
weather the shots Cain took then he can win. I have a feeling we’ll find out how his chin is. The few shots Kongo landed were bombs.
I heard Heath Herrring is going to be Mir’s wrestling coach for this fight.
Kongo is in trouble.
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by MyFistYourFace on Jul 24, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions
LLAAMMEE
Bah! This is most easily a Win for Mir just because I don’t see it NOT going to the ground in any of the 3 rounds. It’s bound to happen with Franks BJJ background
Big Cheick fan, but he really dissapointed and really shocked me at this last fight.
I would MUCH rather see a Congo vs. Cro Cop fight. Two awesome strickers going toe to toe, that or Gonzaga vs. Congo.
What shocked you about Cheick’s last performance? He is an awful wrestler, and Cain is an outstanding wrestler. Expected a quick KO?
"He hit like a bitch."
Yeah I did. Shocked is the wrong word. I expected his camp to litterly stamp “STAY STANDING” behind his eyelids going into that fight. Work on his clinch and take down defense..what we’re they doing?
Big Fan?
Well to be a big fan at least spell his name right and also know that he took the fight on short notice with an injury preventing him from training much.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Jul 24, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget
that Kongo took the fight on like 2 weeks notice.
2 weeks is nowhere near enough time to try and prepare for a wrestler of Velasquez’ ilk.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 26, 2009 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions
why are you so sure of that, Mir doesn’t have the strongest wrestling in the world so the only way i can see the fight going to the ground is if he pulled guard….like a pussy. i dont buy that his standup is as improved as everyone says it is, yea he tore apart Nog, but nog was sick going into the fight and everyone knows he looked like shit in it.
by gangstermonkey on Jul 24, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure if Mir thought the best way to win the fight was to pull guard 8 seconds into it
that’s exactly what he’d do.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Would people stop under-estimating the standup game of Mir? He has a really good striking coach with Kenny Hahn. I think Mir will probably get Kongo to the ground via knockdownthen submit him.
im not underestimating it but it’s no where near as good as kongos, if its a standup fight Kongos gonna take it
by gangstermonkey on Jul 24, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Mir is working on intricacies and details of moves that Kongo doesn’t even know the name of yet.
by jrobb20 on Jul 24, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, like the ‘omo-try to blow your nose without touching any part of your sore, sore face’
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Good fight, as long as Mir stays on the outside and picks his shots he should be able to take Kongo down and submit him in the first round. But Kong does have a puncher’s chance and if Mir gets sloppy he can get caught and put down either way this fight should do alot for the winner but wouldn’t put the loser in danger considering their last 2 quality opponents.
this would be a very interesting fight on the feet kongo has the power to take mir out n mirs new striking skills could even it up.it would be horrible for kongo if it got to the ground tho.i suspect that this fight was given to mir on the basis that if it hit the ground it would be easy money for mir to get right back into title contention.but i would love to see kongo pull it off.
IMO
Mir does fine standing, gets Kongo down inevitably, and rips off a limb/ cuts off the bloodstream to Cheick’s dome to posiition himself for a rubber match with Brock/ #1 Contender match.
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I think this is an interesting fight where both guy’s strengths are pitted against the other guys weaknesses.
Kongo’s hilarious penchant for taking fights to the ground when he shouldn’t plays right into Mir’s submission happy ground game. And Mir’s complete disdain for defending himself on the ground plays right into Kongo’s nasty ground and pound game. This fight is going to end early, but I am not sure who is going to end it. Mir will either snag a quick submission or Kongo will fend him off long enough to pound him into a bloody pulp.
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