Full Listing of Rumored Potential Fedor Opponents for Affliction: Trilogy
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 23, 2009 3:42 PM EDT
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With more and more names being thrown out in the Fedor lottery after Josh Barnett's positive steroid test we're fast approaching California Gubernatorial Recall levels of hilarity.
Here is a rundown of every name that has been thrown out and their status:
Vitor Belfort - Originally scheduled to fight Jorge Santiago at 185 pounds. Vitor has accepted the fight in principle but it has not been warmly received by a large number of fans. At the time of this writing Sherdog.com has up a poll asking if Vitor is a suitable replacement with 73% of the voters saying no. Fedor's management has cited this poll as a reason the fight is not appealing.
Jeff Monson - Jeff has talked in the past about it being his destiny to defeat Fedor. He has expressed extreme interest in taking the fight, even on late notice. Monson's agent confirms:
"This is the fight he has always wanted." said Monson’s agent, Jessy Evans. ... "Now it up to Tom and the Affliction guys to make their minds up to see if they want to make history."
Brett Rogers - "The Grim" appears to be the prefered option for Fedor and his management. It didn't ever seem like a strong possibility given that Rogers is a potential future star with an undefeated record and would have roughly one week to train for the fight. Strikeforce has made it clear that Rogers would not be fighting on August 1.
Fabricio Werdum - Along with Monson, Werdum was considered the best "sporting option" by many fans...however, like Rogers, Strikeforce stated that this was a no-go. One recent update says that Affliction is still not taking negotiating with Strikeforce for either fighter (Rogers/Werdum) off the table.
Tito Ortiz - Never was a serious possibility but his name picked up some steam with fans pointing out his drawing power. He was only recently cleared by a doctor to start training and has said that he would not be taking a fight with Fedor on short notice.
Tank Abbott - Dave Meltzer gives the MMA Universe nightmares with the following:
Tank Abbott wants to be in play although I wonder if Affliction would want to go in that direction. He’ll mean more for ticket sales in Orange County and PPV than any alternative. The flip side is he’s Tank Abbott in his 40s.
Don Frye - Probably not a realistic option, but certainly the most entertaining "I want Fedor" quote:
"If Tom was smart, he’d have me fighting Fedor instead of whoever he’s hiring on a one week notice," Don Frye told MMAInsider. "My phone works if he wants a real fight with someone who sell a fight in four days, somebody who will beat that bald-headed commie too."
Post your thoughts on who would be the most entertaining choice as well as any fighters I missed that have had any serious public statements about the fight.
UPDATE 1 - King Mo - Mo is "tweeting" all over the place about being a possible opponent because he is training actively and is licensed in California. I've not really heard any talk of this being a possibility beyond Mo's own twitter account.
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I demand that Tank be added to the poll
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i know for a fact, MO would love to fight Fedor!
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It’s like I can hear the music.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember reading that Mo trained with Alves leading up to 100 and couldn’t take him down. How’s would he fair with Fedor?
he said he couldnt take down alves?? really?
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are you serious? Why not just dig up Pedro Rizzo, or Ricco Rodriguez’ fat ass while we’re at it. Come on people, the biggest knock on Fedor is that he doesnt fight quality competition, so why on earth would it ever make sense to match him up with fodder from March Badness. I’d rather see Fedor in a Sambo match with 12 midgets than against that Anarchist retard
DON FRYE HATES COMMIES!!!!
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by Blackout612 on Jul 23, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Bring back the Cold War, Don. TEAM AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Don Fry FTW!
"Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ass. I told him a year ago. I pulled it out of him and I beat him over the head with it." Brock Lesnar
We all have that dream.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 23, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here's the other Frye quote...
“He ain’t seen anything I have to offer,” continued Frye. “He built his whole reputation (as a) waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes. I’ll bring it. And if he can bring it, you’ll have the best fight you’ve ever seen on the planet.”
by jrobb20 on Jul 23, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
‘If I wanted to spend half an hour between a pair of hairy legs, I’d go to your mother’s house.’
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I loved this quote so much I made it a part of me :)
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Jul 24, 2009 6:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Brent...
I added a poll, just because I’m curious as to who the consensus is. Lot of good, compelling arguments for different guys.
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BTW...
Add names to it if you like… I only added the serious fights.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant to add a poll...
but then got a phonecall and hit post and didn’t think about it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 23, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
most entertaining = tank Abbott with raffles and wasabi
Most poetic = Seth P.. P as in seth the promotion killer
If frye and tank is considered, why not put Severn in the card so we can finally have a card that’s surpasses wargods..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 23, 2009 2:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I gotta disagree… we know Frye will come out like a madman.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Then it would be more entertaining.
Haha! …where do you disagree though? The question was about being entertained right?
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 23, 2009 2:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Frye is much more entertaining than Abbott. He could do a Dear Don episode before the event. LOL
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor is smart to weight
on accepting Vitor Belfort. He is signed to fight at 185 and until that changes, he has to keep tapering. The longer Fedor weights on accepting, the smaller his opponent is.
Good point..
Although I think it sucks that he keeps us fans weighting also.. ;)
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 23, 2009 2:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Snowman!! Even though he just STOLE a decision from Roy Nelson.
PS- I heard Brock Lesnar was on Jim Rome’s radio show today. Anybody know what happened, or has a link?
PPS- BROCK LESNAR!!!
by Lewish on Jul 23, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No one cares anymore. Its all about Affliction and Fedor right now.
FEDOR!!! =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 23, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 23, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because he isn’t a realistic opponent. That shit is not happening. Although, I know we all want it to happen.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor Opponent To Be Announced Tomorrow
MMAWeeklycom: Vice President Tom Atencio on Thursday told MMAWeekly that Fedor’s new opponent would be announced on Friday.
What happened to this guy, the #2 (pfft laugh) HW in the world?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yawn. Old post Subo. We are dealing with Suspense! now.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 23, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s trying to cover all angles. It’s what you love about BE.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Absolutely, which is why that post already exists, which is pretty damn funny, I must say. Those HDNet adds came in handy after all. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 23, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
This is the first time anyone has seen them.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 23, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I may not, anonymous white head, but the CSAC seems to know you quite well.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Way to miss the train, subo. Seriously, go toss your name in Atencio’s hat. We need a real “STFU Subo” graphic.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Has smoogy been welcomed back to BE yet?
"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 28, 2008
He was good for Machida gifs and bitching and moaning.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
He was also a walking talking illustration of pretty much everything I hate about hardcore MMA fans. So that was fun. He was a better advertisement for the UFC than I could ever be.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it weird that I miss ol’ smoogamaphone?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Dude, I’ve said it several times – he was a good foil that occasionally just said ‘I can’t defend that’ (Mezger/Sakuraba comes to mind).
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He posts a lot of his same bullshit on the UG if you care to read it.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
He got run out of here for doing that shit too much – I feel no need to chase and respond to fifty other morons going ‘LOL subo iz sso stuped’
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It is actually pretty amusing, his bitterness is highly entertaining, and the thread where he and that mmapayout guy circle jerked each other for being banned from BE was very hilarious.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
The extent of my curiosity only goes to the extent that I was brought up.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Well when they referenced idiots I assumed they were talking about you. I think they also attacked Kid Nate.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Read the sig, bitches.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Whatever Leland
Go put some more glitter on your Manhoef posters
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOL
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If you don’t rec that then you have no budo
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not allowed to rec subo comments.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this a staff directive or more of a personal pledge?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I was told the stench would never come off.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Source?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It was in some other post where I agreed with you (ugh… shivers)
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
So he can laugh out loud but he can't rec me
You all need to rec the Manhoef poster comment.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Manhoef performs better with more glitter. It’s known.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently you didn't apply enough the other night
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Pretty sure it was me. But I meant that being rec’d by subo would never wear off.
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Is it just me
or does this seem like a no win for any one, seriously, if Fedor takes on vitor, he’s taking on someone two class’ under him, if he takes on Rodgers, he’s facing someone who isn’t in the same skill level. Fedor’s management seems content on padding Fedors record at the moment, then actually boosting, or potentially boosting his "best in the world’ fighter title. Monson at the moment is the only guy on the list of potentials that would stand a chance, and would actually be a credible win for Fedor.
Fedor’s management…getting him easy fights? What? No way. This must be some kind of joke.
by dumbwhiteguy on Jul 23, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What?
How the fuck is Rogers not a credible opponent? Undefeat, huge, top10, just beat AA. Jesus Christ what more do you want?
Do you think Carwin or Cain would be more credible?
Yes, 100% would Carwin and Cain be more credible opponents.
Both can talk about the game without using terms like “ground stuff”, let alone actually be a threat both on their feet and with the “ground stuff”.
Because it's Brett fucking Rogers.
Would you have asked that same question before he KO’d Andre Glassjawski? 2 months ago you would have thought it was a joke. AA isn’t that great, Rogers would get killed by anyone with a ground game (FYI, Fedor’s is pretty good).
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what do you base this on out of curiosity? brett’s ground game that is?
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Read Razreshats post about 'Ground stuff'
'He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes' - Don Frye on Fedor Emelianenko
by Well Read Idiot on Jul 24, 2009 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Frye, because if Monson faces Fedor you wont have the US v Russia angle. Monson would be all “I hate the USA” and shit
Frye fights for the USA
by Discman2 on Jul 23, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
LOL
so true, monson is the least patriotic american fighter i think there is. btw i like the “and shit” part…it really gives it a good ring!
cheers
least patriotic?
think about it… the fact that he speaks out about the american government and it’s poor policies makes him more patriotic than those of us who do nothing but complain about it. burying your head in the sand is un-patriotic. btw, i think monson has the best chance against fedor.
The fact that he complains via the medium of questionable tattoos is far better than all of you other lazy complainers!
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
Monson should be the chosen one...
Instead of finding Santiago an opponent, give Fedor Jeff Monson. He’s legit, great grappler, and stands a chance.
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Vitor is a bad choice
Believe it or not, Vitor doesn’t have 1 punch knock out power . Except for the Lindland fight, it hasn’t happened. His wins are generally peppering TKOs on the ground of stunned opponents…and I cant really think of any of those against someone great on the ground (arguably wanderlei). It’s just opponents that turtle up and take his punches going WTF do I do?
Anyone here see Fedor just sitting there taking punches if it goes to the ground?
Look at the Tito and Couture fights. If you have a good clinch or takedowns you can beat him. Randy and Tito dont have the subs or KO power of Fedor.
Fedor is going to sub him. Pretty quickly. He’ll realize that Fedor’s power is insane, get subbed, and state after the fight that “Fedor has unbelievable strength” just like every opponent he’s faced has said.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/exclusive-fedor-upset-ready-for-replacement-18686
"You know, I’m being really honest here," Fedor said. "I am equally interested in a fight with either Belfort or Rogers. I’ve never fought with either one. I used to watch Belfort fight, even before I started competing. So there is a history there for me with him. It is very interesting to me; he was a fighter who faced and beat a lot of the greatest fighters in MMA at the time. Rogers is a fighter who is tearing through the heavyweight division with 10 fights and 10 wins. And, I have to add, he beat Arlovski."
it would be the greatest moment of my life. I would just replace every article on BE’s front page with pictures of Tank and text reading “hahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 23, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I would pay to see it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted for Brett Rogers just because I think he is the best opponent
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my two cents....
Monson clearly out of any available heavyweight is the most credible. Also I have always thought most of fedors opponents are tailer made for him to win so what’s different now.
Vitor is intriguing because of his speed and technical skill. Hw vitor was the best vitor but that was years ago.
Brett Rogers has the one punch knock out power but Fedor doesn’t run in drop his hands and throw kicks. I think Rogers has potential just not enough for this fight as this time.
Tito would have saved this show. His name in California would have boosted the hell out of ppv buys and media attention. Not to mention a world class grappling match. Too bad tito wasn’t training prior to this month.
Abbott ironically would help attention in orange county and Frye would make for an entertaining fight however out goes fedors credibility. I mean hell why not contact royce gracie and rickson while were at it.
All in all after this whole Barnett fiasco affliction is basically lying in front of a speeding train. Just save what you can and let Fedor fight monson while vitor fights Santiago.
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by xtremecouture on Jul 23, 2009 3:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Save Belfort-Santiago
The Belfort-Santiago fight is worth preserving. Why destroy the 2nd main event? It’s a highly anticipated fight, it’s significant to the rankings, it’s a fair fight and fans want to see it. Leave it be.
also
Brett Rogers knocked out arlovksi, ray Mercer worked Tim Sylvia with one punch and tito Ortiz made up with Dana white. Is it that far fetched that Fedor can be upset by basically any of these guys. That would be awesome.
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by xtremecouture on Jul 23, 2009 3:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If Fedor can be upset by Tank Abbott, I’m married to Gisele.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, anybody can get lucky. And Tank seems to have built a career around getting lucky.
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Dude, anybody can get lucky.
Precisely; Leland can bang Gisele = Tank can bang out Fedor.
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Correct. She finds me charming.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Puncher’s chance.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Give it to Monson
He is a credible, worthy opponent, and he wants the fight.
Monson
He not only has a chance (slim tho it is), but he would be extremely marketable to the casual fans. Just flash a photo of the guy and people will ‘oooh!’.
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
Frye’s mustache will KO Fedor
add america shorts and you have the next god damn rocky
by Discman2 on Jul 23, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Tom Atencio
If you read this, I am pleading you. I will kill a puppy for every person who isn’t Don Frye that fights Fedor on August 1. This is the fight that NEEDS to happen.
he was injured. injured bad.
My God. It’s perfect.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Freddie Mercury, but
How did anyone think he was straight?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
In the words of a great radio personality. “Freddie Mercury wasn’t gay, he just banged anything that moved.”
fedor needs to come out to this song!
DONT STOP ME NOW!
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This Fedor fight is like the golden ticket for middle of the pack MMA fighters.
A fight that can in absolutely in NO WAY hurt your standing in MMA since Fedor is the #1 P4P in the world and you’re taking the fight on a little over 1 weeks notice.
Plus you get a cool half million (or so it’s rumored)
I took karate until I was 14… where do I sign up
Freon?
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP is number 1. After that I’d say Anderson, then Fedor, then Torres. Those are all debatable, other than GSP being number 1.
We have to start considering Mr. Machida.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Machida needs more wins over the #2, #3 guys in his division. GSP and Torres (and hell let’s talk about Mike fucking Brown) have been cleaning out their divisions.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
After looking at Torres’ record I am not thinking so much. He is impressive as hell, but is very similar to Machida’s situation.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
To start considering him?
This is boolshit. He’s in the top 5-6, no doubt.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
I think pound for pound rankings are the one ranking that should be based on subjective stats more so than objective records. The quality of performance rather than just the W is very important.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
It's hypothetical
Tell me that Machida’s fighting style wouldn’t effectively translate between weight classes.. Of course it would. We can’t wait for him to beat more guys, if that means his style doesn’t improve. That’s what divisional rankings are for. He’s already a top flight fighter and perhaps the best he’s ever going to be. So he beats all ten of the top ten LHW’s in the downswing of his career and he makes it on the list? No logic in that at all.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
On the other hand
If Rua somehow wins, or even Rampage/Rashad, putting him top 3 p4p would look premature.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely not
If it’s retrospective, then we are to wait for guys to finish out their careers before placing them in some sort of P4P HOF. Rua winning would improve his standing in P4P consideration. It’s organic. Like PJ Benn falling from grace when GSP rubbed his nose in the shit.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
HUH?
BJ Penn, Rich Franklin, et al? Talk about P4P; those are two of the best in two other weight classes.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Two lighter weight classes – one waaaaay lighter. And I guess ‘et al’ is another word for ‘Rashad Evans’.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you consider Penn top five LHW? Franklin?
If all that mattered was the ranking in their own weight class, would you consider Brock Lesnar top p4p if in his next two fights he kicked the ass of Torres and Brown?
What the shit?
I have no idea what you’re going on about. P4P suggests that the same guy in any weight class would be a threat. Machida’s fighting style pretty deliberately ensures his success given those circumstances. Not sure what you’re arguing..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
No, p4p means that relative to his weight, he’s incredibly dominant. The top ten HWs would annihilate each of the top ten BWs, across the board; that does not mean the top ten HWs top the p4p lists.
If P4P really meant what you were saying, why doesn’t Mike Thomas Brown fight at HW, where he would make much better money in the UFC, than crappy WEC payouts? Or Torres?
Dude
You’re not making any sense. BJ Penn and Franklin are great fighters. You suggested he hasn’t fought any. BJ has long been considered a top P4P fighter and Franklin is a top MW. He has proven that he can hang with fighters from other divisions, as well as his own. I’m not saying he should move around, obviously. P4P is purely hypothetical.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
If its purely hypothetical, I claim right now that Ryo Chonan is top p4p in the world!!!
How do I do rolleyes on here?
BJ Penn and Rich Franklin are great fighters; Penn would get mauled by all of the top 10 HWs, Franklin by the top 5. All p4p judgements are based roughly on what we know about the fighters as compared to their own weight class and the ones above them and directly below.
Machida has one win over a top ten LHW. Maybe two if you consider Franklin. If you prefer to consider Franklin as a MW, he gets a bonus for being top 5, but loses a bit because he’s at MW and a LHW fighting a MW gets an obvious weight advantage.
At this point, you’re the one who isn’t making any sense.
Rashad was, and is, worthy of a little more than a top ten ranking. They were both undefeated going into that fight, remember?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think he’s at #3. I was making the point that beyond Rashad, there is nobody in the top 10 he’s beaten.
Of course
Because beating them at the time counts for nothing. You’re clearly one of those “Who cares if you beat (fighter), because he’s a loser once you beat him”. Tito? Thiago Silva? Both Top Ten at the time of their defeat.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Machida is the undisputed #1 fighter in his weightclass
No one even comes close.
That’s generally enough to make you an arguable top 5 p4p, for what that’s worth.
Accept this and move on.
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LOL. Did you miss where I posted that I have Machida at #6?
BTW, if being undisputed #1 in your weight class is enough to put you in the top 5 p4p, there are currently 7 fighters in the top 5 p4p.
I did qualify with 'generally' for a reason
And I’d like to see what 5 fighters you have ahead of Machida at LHW, much for the same reasons I like to watch “Dana Did It” conspiracists outline their theories.
Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
In response to me saying he was #1 at LHW
You said he was number 6.
6-5=1
Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
Uh, right
And I’m the one who needs to “keep up”
Maybe you should try to be a little more coherent
Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
That old chestnut: blaming the other guy for your misunderstanding.
Let me clarify: Machida is undisputed #1 at LHW. However, there are seven weight classes at which there are undisputed #1 fighters. I have Machida as #6 p4p.
Do you have a problem with that analysis?
It's not my misunderstanding
LOL. Did you miss where I posted that I have Machida at #6?
Does that say p4p? no. It just says #6. Machida is #1, Number 6 p4p.
It’s hardly worth talking to you if you can’t communicate effectively.
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Why are you so pissed off?
I clarified myself. Do you want to argue the points, or do you want to bitch?
HEY
Take it easy with that bold, you violent creature.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
You clearly have no idea what P4P means
If you don’t know that the idea of guys fighting each other with their same abilities without weight being a factor is what P4P is, you’re fucking lost.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
I'm angry?
Are you my life coach or something?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Positively furious, even. You should see the steam.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
This old chestnut
Old trolling tactic: declare your opponent angry.
OMG Y R U SO ANGRY
Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
It's all the fuck and shit
That’s how you know someone doesn’t know their surroundings on BE; they call me angry. I poop rainbows, man. Fucking RAINBOWS.
Where’s subo??
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Dude. Calm down.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It's my body
I do what I want.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Laughter ensues
I actually just took a moment to read the rest of your nonsense post and P4P has NOTHING to do with how you’d fare against the weight classes closest to you.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Yes, actually, it does.
Hypothetically, to use your word, p4p is about who is the best fighter in the world, regardless of weight class.
Realistically, that would all be HWs and LHWs, because they are much bigger than the smaller fighters. So we tend to weight fighters, pun not intended, by their dominance over their own weight class. IE, because GSP is so dominant over WW, we consider him near the top p4p, even though he would likely be crushed by Brock Lesnar, who we do not consider to be top p4p.
Thats the truth of it. We have to judge based on results against other fighters at or near their own weight, or else we have nothing to judge by.
Let me ask you: who would you have in a fight between Brock Lesnar and Miguel Torres? Brock Lesnar and Mike Brown? Brock Lesnar and BJ Penn? Brock Lesnar and Georges St. Pierre?
Now, which of those fighters are considered in the p4p listings, and which are not?
that would all be HWs and LHWs
This is where I stopped reading. Enjoy your day!
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 23, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you really think Torres would be likely to beat Fedor, Lesnar, Couture, Nogueira, Barnett, or even guys like Velasquez? Are you out of your mind?
LAUGHING OUT LOUD!!!
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Now here's a guy
with a sig that is appropriate for the post he’s responding to
Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes
My head hurts.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think Torres would beat Velasquez?
Yet Blackout thinks that Machida beating Penn is proof of his p4p dominance.
Either p4p refers to dominance relative to weight, or if weight doesn’t matter, it refers to dominance irregardless of weight, in which case the top 5 HWs would probably be the top 5 p4p. Can’t have it both ways.
Weight isn’t an issue in P4P discussion because you’re supposed to use overall skill as tiered into each weight class.
A Miguel Torres at 250 lbs., etc…
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
So, you agree that it is skill and dominance as related to weight class, not dominance over other weight classes, right?
Because thats the crux of the argument between Blackout and I.
Dude, give it a rest
I named them as quality competition. Are you trying to say BJ Penn isn’t a good fighter? Because he actually fought and beat him. It’s an example of a quality opponent when you said he only had one. Move along man….
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
He made that point as an elaboration. Penn has unique circumstances because he did fight in other weight classes. That can be considered PART of the argument.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If you chase it up, he said Machida has only fought one quality/ranked opponent. The Penn and Franklin examples were to show that he has fought five (which did not include the fact that Ortiz and Thiago Silva were both top ten LHW’s when he beat them). I was disputing his convenient thinking.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
What you are describing is open weight. Pound for pound is used for fantasy purposes to compare people in different weight classes because the size issue is such a big deal in combat sports.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
EXACTLY.
The weight difference matters. Which is why Machida beating Penn and Franklin only counts as being elite fighters in fantasy purposes, because in real life, where weight matters, Machida had a weight advantage over Franklin, and an enormous advantage over Penn.
Blackout was using Penn and Franklin to prove Machida’s real life dominance, but in real life, he had a weight advantage, so those victories do not count as much as victories over top fighters in his own weight class.
This should be obvious, and I’m a little depressed that Blackout doesn’t see it.
You should be a lot depressed
But for a totally different reason.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 23, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can't read good
You claimed he beat one top fighter in the world and I named at least three.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
I recognize that they’re top five in their respective weight classes, Penn in his case number one, Franklin probably #3 at MW (who the hell knows what he ranks at LHW). They don’t count as much as beating top five fighters at LHW. Do you have a problem with that assessment?
My man...
Just drop it. My point is that they’re good fighters. He beat them and they’re good fighters. That’s it.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Do not resort to insults...
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
At least..
Until there’s some movement.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
He is saying Fedro is #1, #2, and #3 pound for pound.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Thanks
I got it d00d. I’m saying that when he comes to Zuffa and, say, one of the Zuffa guys goes to Japan, that formula will change.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
ARLOVSKI
it’s becoming pretty evident that i’m the only one on planet earth that thinks they’re considering arlovski for the rematch he wanted so badly, but i’ve certainly got my fingers crossed. money would not be an issue since i’m sure arlovski would take this fight for peanuts because it’s a chance at the redemption he so desperately seeks and he also has back to back losses so affliction definitely has the advantage in negotiating. arlovski has also fought on 10 days notice before. i think it would be huge. fedor recently said arlovski was one of the top 3 hardest fights of his career. please tommy, make it happen.
by FiatJustitiaRuatCaelum on Jul 23, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions
He also said Sylvia was tough, then laughed about it later. I think he was being nice.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
no
unless he was “being nice” to cro cop and nogueira too because he said those three were his hardest fights in his interview with bas
by FiatJustitiaRuatCaelum on Jul 23, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be up for a rematch if Arlovski had a full camp to prepare. If he fights a disciplined fight, I think he could beat Fedor with footwork and technique. Say what you will, but Fedor had nothing for him… well… until that KO :/
exactly. he already has the perfect gameplan, and he’s certainly not the type of fighter to be OUT of shape, although he may not be in peak shape.
by FiatJustitiaRuatCaelum on Jul 23, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
sheeeiiitt
didn’t think about that. aug. 1st would be exactly 2 months.
thanks for ruining everything jrobb.
by FiatJustitiaRuatCaelum on Jul 23, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No way, full camp implies AA can get into his own head.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anybody know what Rogers is getting so much more attention than Werdum? Rogers hasn’t even been training (supposedly) and Werdum would be much closer to ready. They’re both in the same boat of Strikeforce not really wanting to put them out there (at the currently offered price). If Fedor’s camp were going to call out one or the other, why not call out the one that’s actually been training for a fight?
Does anybody know what Rogers is getting so much more attention than Werdum?
1. Rogers is Undefeated, unlike Werdum.
2. Rogers just knocked out the #2 Heavyweight in the world.
Wait… #2?
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of places ranked Arlovski at #2 when he was announced as Fedro’s opponent.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Really?
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by Leland Roling on Jul 23, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but not SINCE
He sure as hell wasn’t #2 when Rogers waxed him.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
After all the giants
We need some Fedor role reversal. FEDOR vs. TORRES!
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
http://www.sherdog.com/news/blog/couture-analyzes-belfortfedor-18688
"The fact that Vitor’s a southpaw and Fedor hasn’t prepared for a southpaw, the fact that he is very, very agile and explosive and a great boxer all lend well to him having a great performance," Randy Couture said.
…"Certainly he has as good a chance as Barnett had at fighting Fedor."
Silly Randy
He has a better chance than Barnett at fighting Fedor. Like, any chance.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Fedor vs Randy’’s Protege (w/ Randy Gameplan)!!!!
Oh Snap!
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 23, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
zzzzzzzz
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy’s protege? Now that is a damn stretch.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
Did You Not Read The Memo!
Looks like someone hit the start button on the hype machine a little early.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 23, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Way to bring the mood down. It looks like he needs medical attention ASAP.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 23, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Since we are in the paralell universe of rematches why not Arlovski? That would be a better fight than last time. If not then Bobby Lashley makes good sense.
http://www.tatame.com/2009/07/23/ATT-coach—Jorge-will-fight-Vitor-Belfort
American Top Team leaders, Marcus Conan Silveira says
"I know exactly what you know, that Josh (Barnett) tested positive, but the situation is the same: Jorge (Santiago) will fight Vitor Belfort"
by Nick Thomas on Jul 23, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Okay, I'm officially behind Monson
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m really warming up to Don Frye. You know it’d be fun to watch.
And I think Ben Rothwell wouldn’t suck at all.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 23, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Four minutes?
They might just have to do a round robin with all of these bozos.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
[Fedor] ain’t seen anything I have to offer. He built his whole reputation as a waffle house chef. They’ve been serving him up ham and eggs with a side of canned tomatoes. I’ll bring it. And if he can bring it, you’ll have the best fight you’ve ever seen on the planet.
Don Motherfucking Frye
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