BloodyElbow Exclusive: Vitor Belfort vs. Fedor Emelianenko Has Not Been Proposed to CSAC
by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 22, 2009 1:41 PM EDT
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I just got off the phone with Bill Douglas, Assistant Executive Officer of the California State Athletic Commission who gave the following statement in regards to my inquiry as to if they would be willing to sanction Vitor against Fedor given that Belfort was scheduled to fight at 185 pounds and Fedor is the #1 Heavyweight in the world:
"I've heard that rumor as well and that has not been proposed to us and it is not even something we're looking at seriously right now. No one has even approached us with that. Not to say they're not going to approach us with it but no one has said anything about it at this time."
So it's not a no, but it has yet to be brought to the CSAC so it sounds things haven't gotten too far along in that direction. This post will be updated in a few moments with the CSAC's official press release on Josh Barnett's suspension. But this story is certainly taking some interesting twists and turns. BloodyElbow is your home for updates as they break on this story.
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"it sounds things haven't gotten too far along in that direction."
that’s assuming atencio and the boys would even have the foresight to consider getting something like that approved before booking it :)
From the UG:
Meltzer posted a minute ago on his website that Rogers is the guy they want. They need clearance from Coker who is on vacation in Italy and the Showtime sports executives…
Not a fight Rogers should be having right now. He doesn’t seem like the type of guy who stays in great shape between fights.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 22, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This thing is getting crazy lol.
I just want them to get a decent name. Werdum, Vitor or Rogers. Damnit Arlovski why did you have to fight Rogers when you did?!! He could have had a rematch right away! :(
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 22, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah,
I didn’t know CSAC did out of competition testing.
This is odd.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 22, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Barnett’s Cali license had expired, and testing was a part of the renewal process.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
LOL, wow… that sucks for Barnett.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 22, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But...
It still proves out-of-competition testing works, even if it wasn’t deemed that.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 22, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, no it doesn’t. Because it has nothing to do with out-of-competition testing.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
Yes, it does. It was at a time that wasn’t the normal pre and post fight testing. And furthermore, Barnett probably was able to choose the testing time, and even if he didn’t, it would have been at a time in which he wasn’t ready for it.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 22, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
They’re not even close to the same thing. You’re just equating the time of the testing, that’s all. This was required for the renewal of his license, it had nothing to do with the CSAC doing random testing. The whole point of out-of-competition testing is that it’s RANDOM!
You’re right about Barnett being an idiot in this sense, but you’re wrong about the comparison.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
It is close to the same thing. It’s at a different time than most testing would be done. You can define out-of-competition in whatever way you want, but just because they say it ISN’T out-of-competition testing doesn’t mean squat. Just because it was a license renewal test doesn’t hide the fact that the testing wasn’t at the pre-defined times most fighters KNOW are going to be testing time such as pre and post-fight piss tests.
Sure, it isn’t RANDOM in terms of the fighter, but it does match up in terms of the different time. Yes, I am equating it to the time of the testing, but RANDOM tests would be at RANDOM times. This probably wasn’t a Random time, but it was at a different time than what Barnett obviously is used to.
In any case, Barnett either defined the time and is an idiot, or B.) the CSAC created the time and still caught Barnett.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 22, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Random, out-of-competiton testing is asking a licensed fighter to take a test, unannounced. This is not the same thing, not even close. Every single fighter that has to apply or re-apply for a Cali license has to take these tests. They’re a part of the licensing process. Barnett IS an idiot for knowing he’d face renewal testing and still failing. But they’re wholly different reasons for testing.
I think we’re going to agree to disagree on this, but it’s why I said you should wait to know all the circumstances before you write an article praising the CSAC for their forward-thinking testing.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
In any case, we can agree that Barnett is at fault here, but obviously he’s using substances that are banned.
I still believe it helps the case of out-of-competition testing in terms of the variable times. Barnett may very well have simply forgot about licensing renewal, in which case he would be dumb.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 22, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually…
Josh Barnett is quoted as saying it was NOT OOC testing. The CSAC hasn’t refuted the claim, and actually stated Josh Barnett was the first person to take the OOC test in California according to Meltzer. So… I question Barnett here.
Who’s right? CSAC already stated through a Meltzer quote that they released the fact that Josh Barnett was the first OOC participant. Or is Barnett right? We’ll find out.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 22, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Atencio implied it wasn’t OOC testing when he said that Barnett’s license won’t be “reinstated”.
He tested positive for a banned substance," Atencio said of Barnett. "The athletic commission will not reinstate his license.
This implies there was an issue with his license beforehand. An OOC failure would be the reason for revokation, not an issue impeding reinstatement.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
But it doesn’t refute the fact that the CSAC said it was OOC testing previously. For all we know, Atencio talked to Barnett about it. I don’t understand why the CSAC would previously state it was the first OOC test, then suddenly Barnett comes out and says it wasn’t. It’s conflicting.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 22, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Where did Meltzer/CSAC state that Barnett was the first OOC participant? And when was that test taken?
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
In the same article I believe:
The California State Athletic Commission had previously
released that Barnett was the first person to take an out of
competition drug test, saying he performed a test in front of a commission inspector and he was given 48 hours notice to show up for the test. The commission said Barnett was surprised by the call from the office but came the next day after the call and complied with the test.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 22, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
And why would Barnett lie about what test he failed? what possible advantage would it be to him? Him failing a test he submitted himself to makes him look even worse.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
I don’t know. Sounds stupid to me too. All I’m stating is that there are conflicting accounts. I’m sure we’ll find out when the statement comes out.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 22, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, maybe he’s trying to work some sort of angle to say… I knew about the test, why would I fail it? And then try to fight it later in an appeal.
Sounds retarded though.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 22, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, which is why I said that this entire thing is very odd.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 22, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ.
Epic fail.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hold on… how is it not out-of-competition testing? It was three weeks ago.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 22, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Josh Barnett has confirmed that he has talked to the commission and his license to fight was not approved. Contrary to original reports, his June 25th drug test that came up positive was not part of California’s new random out of competition testing. It was a test on a day Barnett himself chose as part of his licensing procedure in the state as his license had expired.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
Yeah, but it worked much in the same way as out-of-competition testing. It wasn’t at the pre-set pre-fight and post-fight times. Furthermore, it’s even worse because Barnett probably knew about the test if his license was expiring.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 22, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Meltzer also said they offered Lashley $500,000 but he turned it down.
Vitor belfort is second choice to Brett Rogers… and if that happens Jorge Santiago might face David Loiseau.
Very smart move by Lashley here.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 22, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really, this is just hardcore MMA type news.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 22, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha…only the hardcores buy Affliciton anyways.
The casuals don’t know who Barnett is in the first place.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 22, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You're nuts.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 22, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I like Werdum.
It’s not as if they’re going to produce somebody who has a great chance. But Werdum is 1) accomplished, 2) a heavyweight, and 3) not a prospect. Plus you don’t have to cannibalize the card for it.
The ULTIMATE ultimate proving ground.
Exactly my reasons. Arona and Monson fit the bill for me as well.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 22, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
For Those Wondering About Showtime...
They have a big say on who the replacement is against Fedor, and they also have a big say in Strikeforce and Affliction cards. It is very likely Showtime will work with the two promotions and get a big name that fits the bill. Rogers (being on CBS, Showtime) probably fits the bill for them.
I actually like Rogers here. He needs a serious schooling.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 22, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
And that is a problem. Networks should have no say in matchmaking.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 22, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
^This
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 22, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha...they always will.
Ratings and Buys is what is important to them. If a boxing promotion proposes a PPV and Showtime and HBO thinks its going to bomb, they nix it.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 22, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
They won’t with the UFC.
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by ufc4 on Jul 22, 2009 3:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would prefer no network deal to that.
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by Rundownloser on Jul 22, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would Strikeforce/Showtime want to sacrifice one of their future stars to help Affliction? That would be a stupid move IMO…
Showtime is producing Affliction Trilogy.
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 22, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Somebody get on the horn!
Call Sergei Kharitonov, let the Russian feud go down!
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the new tires look great."
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by MMArazorback on Jul 22, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
If vitor cant make 220
It shouldn’t be allowed. Its not fair. But then again Ray Mercer vs Tim Slyvia happened so in mma any match up is possible. We should probably rally up and get atencio to do Fedor vs Jose Conseco
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by xtremecouture on Jul 22, 2009 2:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Rember that Fedor only weights 225-235. Vitor can weigh in at around 215-225. It won’t be that big of a difference. Not to mention that Fedor is usually outweighed by his competition by a good 40 lbs.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 22, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, unless you count Babalu, Lindland, Randleman, Arona…
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 22, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean he actually fought guys his size a few times? Amazing. Thanks for pointing that out.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 22, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor weighs 230. He is a HW. Those guys are not HWs, and neither is Belfort.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 22, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
A small HW, but anyways, there is no such thing as “he is a hw” he is a “mw”, etc. All that matters is that you make the weight you are supposed to.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Think Vitor will make 206??
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 22, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Tompkins already said he is already at 200+. Said 215 should be easy for Vitor to do.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 22, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Who has he been outweighed by by 40 lbs, other than Zulu, Sylvia, and HMC? Not the peak of athletic talent, there.
Most of his opponents have been his size or smaller.
I see you are forgetting Mark Hunt and Semmy Schilt, plus a few others.
=)
Point is, he is usually the smaller guy, no matter who he fights at HW.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 22, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I stated this in another thread, but the CSAC licensed Antonio Silva (257) and Justin Eilers (218). Probably not going to be an issue.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
They're both heavyweights!
Why wouldn’t it get sanctioned?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 22, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/josh_gross/07/22/barnett/index.html?eref=writers
Rogers is interested and would ask for a purse approaching at least the $800,000 Affliction Entertainment paid Sylvia to fight Emelianenko, a source told SI.com.
Yes Sir...
800K + is the standard pay for going up against Fedor in Affliction.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 22, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Keep in mind...
Fedor probably has to approve the opponent switch, and he could ask for more money.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 22, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
M-1 uses the perks they get from Fedor fighting for Affliction (worldwide distribution rights, etc) to make money. They’re not borrowing money of Affliction.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
and the $12.50/hr changing tires.
but its tough to top the free samples at ’Sam’s Club’.
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It would be nice if Aleks could fill in to fight Buentello so Gilbert can fight Fedor.
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Aleks has less of a chance of fighting on this card than Barnett.
by DirtyML on Jul 22, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also I noticed in a number of threads on this topic that they compare Brett Rogers to Rocky Balboa, but Rocky had already had a pretty lengthy career with a lot of ups and downs and was not an undefeated up and coming heavyweight prospect that had just knocked off a consensus top 10 contender.
Rogers > Balboa.
I would much rather see Rogers fight Fedor than Vitor, atleast Rogers is coming off a win against a great heavyweight (regardless of what people say about AA).
And if Rogers wins? Wow.
That picture gives me an idea
Fedor vs Mike Tyson! Assuming Mike can make 265.
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by ufc4 on Jul 22, 2009 3:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If it's Vitor
How about Santiago vs Jason mcdonald.
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by ufc4 on Jul 22, 2009 3:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Fight Network also said Kimo was dead yesterday. =)
by Nick Thomas on Jul 22, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL Touche sir.
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