Mirko Cro Cop Calls Brock Lesnar UFC 100 Victory "Defeat for Martial Arts"

CroCrop isn’t saying Lesnar’s actions after the fight were a defeat for martial arts, he’s saying Lesnar’s technique is. And that’s wrong.

Lesnar used a lot of good wrestling technique and strategy, as Kid Nate has duly noted, such as refusing to go to Mir’s full guard and only operating in the half guard, with a one-armed headlock to immobilize Mir’s head and capture Mir’s bottom arm, so he couldn’t defend the blows. And that’s just as valid a MMA technique as BJJ.

I took a traditional martial art for 5 years and I tell you what (my best Hank Hill impression) martial arts has more than its fair share of douche bags. Being humble and understanding honor, although taught in a great many martial arts, is something that you either accept and practice or don’t. It has nothing to do with martial arts.

You mind taking the 5 page essay to explain it to me. Winner of Randy vs Nog sets up another old timer match. Carwin vs Cain winner sets up a probably not ready for a title shot match. Geez, ya no possible for room for Crocop to squeeze himself in there the next 9 months.

Thanks for presuming you know so much about UFC title match making. Maybe you can reveal UFC 104 full card since you got Joe Silva pinned.

Cro Cop simply will not get a title shot for beating Al Turk and Dos Santos. Period.

Couture loses, Nog gets a shot. That’s been made somewhat clear. (Loser’s winner gets a shot).

I’m beginning to think Brock Lesnar won a legal case against you.

He ate two knees to the face to get the chance to grab that leg and take him down. Worked out fairly well for Brock, as I recall.

Maybe so, but I like guys jumping up to be the “defenders of all that is great and pure about Mixed Martial Arts.”

I know we’re going to get bogged down in a semantic argument, but if the term “martial arts” is to be distinguished from any old plain fighting style, than it has to be because the original practioners emphasized things other than effectiveness. Just breaking apart the enymology, “martial” relates to warmaking, while “art” implies creativity, culture, and other “higher” callings. I am almost positive that the term “martial arts” was coined as a way to distinguish (likely in a snobby ethnocentric way) between the techniques studied by these practicioners, and the “brutality” and “barbarism” of the war-fighting skills that the cultural outsiders practiced.

That being said, I think the term “traditional martial arts” encompasses the old way of thinking, while “mixed martial arts” has a far more inclusive view of unarmed combat techniques.

begun at UFC 1 by Roce Gracie (and other)’s determination to prove which arts and techniques are superior. This is just part of the process.

We have all known for a long time that weight classes were necessary to maintain actual competition. Seeing Brock actually come in at the weight limit shouldn’t upset anyone, it should just be viewed as another progression of the sport.

Another weight class in a few years will be appropriate, but for now, just enjoy how far our sport has come!

@mythbuster
Excellent wrestler – true. Amazing boxing – not so sure. It’s easier to punch people if you have barge poles for arms imho.

Was being sarcastic. That’s the “party line” around here. Lesnar is Amazing Boxer and Legendary Wrestler – to think anything else is met with fierce resistance :)

You must have lost a few keys on Mir, because the word “bet” was totally missing in that equation.

How would it put the division in perspective? By proving that Fedor is better than everybody else? Don’t we already know that?

Nah – I figured we could use a bit of levity to the thread – the counterargument to size>skill would be Emmanuel Yarborough. Or Bob Sapp. Or Giant Silva. Or (possibly) Kimbo. Or the entire Megaton GP…

I heard Kimbo called Brock a neerdowell and a sexual deviant.

My eyes hurt.