Quote of the Day 2: Shinya Aoki Talks Joe Stevenson and Nate Diaz
by Kid Nate on Jul 21, 2009 2:10 PM EDT
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"Well, it sounds good. So long as it’s an MMA bout, I’m fine with [Kawajiri or Kikuno], or even someone from the UFC. It doesn’t have to be a top-level fighter. Even a mid-level fighter would do, like Joe Stevenson. I actually wanted him to lose [against Nate Diaz], so he’d be cut and he could come to Dream and I could fight him. Life doesn’t always work out the way you want, but anyway, there are a lot of fighters I’d like to fight in the US."
DREAM lightweight star Shinya Aoki brushes aside challenges from DREAM lightweights Tatsuya Kawajiri and Katsunori Kikuno to discuss his fantasy opponent list, per Sherdog.
Photo via Sherdog.
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Joe Stevenson would beat Shinya Aoki. So would Diego Sanchez, BJ Penn, & Kenny Florian.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 21, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I think Aoki is vulnerable to standup, so Penn or Florian would win, but I think Stevenson would get submitted.
A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
Stevenson would likely avoid.
I think a guy like Maynard would be prey to the submissions.
Now that I think about it, a guy like Sherk would likely beat Aoki too.
Aoki just isn’t a good matchup for many of the UFC guys.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 21, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Aoki would probably be the crying face of the UFC after those fights. I just can’t see his tiny little frame withstanding some of the punishment the beefier lightweights in the UFC can produce.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 21, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Aoki is a tall LW and his fragile body was the reason why he was going to lose to JZ, Hellboy, and Alvarez. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 21, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, to be perfectly honest, Alvarez fought moronically in that fight. Most notably, he stated after the fight that he wasn’t expected an ankle lock. That’s just a fail right there.
JZ failed, and Aoki was great in that fight. I’ll give him that, and Hellboy… he always has a chance at beating Aoki. I think the major thing that leans me toward UFC LW’s is the Sakurai fight. A lot of them cut a lot of weight to 155, and “Mach” just RAN over Aoki like a little child. I can see some of the UFC’s “mid-level” doing that to him.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 21, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, Mach didnt out muscle Aoki, Aoki was actually just swept with technique, and with knees on the ground, Aoki fell into the WORST postition possible….. under unified rules, that fight would not have ended that way at all
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But the fight is still an example of how Aoki would do against the better Lightweights in the UFC.
Sakurai is about the same size and strength as those guys. And Aoki had nothing for him.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 21, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i just see it has a “shit happens” in mma… that the fun of it… or you saying if they fought 10 times, Mach would win in under 30 seconds each time?
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I’d say that 9 times out of 10, a sex tape would be released a few weeks before the fight.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 21, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Mach would win at least 8 out of 10 times. Might be different ways of victory, but still the same winner.
Aoki can struggle against stronger guys who can avoid submissions and can locate their fists or knees to his head. It’s the simple. Most guys in the UFC at the top have solid chins, good grappling, and can avoid submissions.
Game over for Aoki. You can disagree. People often disagree with each other. But most of the Japanese guys are vocal that the best fighters are in the states.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 21, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Swept? More like Sakurai simply got up. There wasn’t really much technique to it at all. To be perfectly honest, it looked more like Aoki made a huge mistake and Sakurai just turned over and pummeled him into a crying spell.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 21, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i think you guys underestimate his toughness…. but i hope guys like him will fight in Strikeforce becasue strikeforce will still let aoki fight in japan still and the contracts are WAYYYY less restrictive.
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I don’t underestimate him, I just see his weaknesses. He has almost no striking game. And the submission game he plays in Japan would not do as well in the states. First, he wouldn’t have the pants to aide him. Secondly, the guys in the states are better grapplers then he is. Penn is on another level compared to him. There is nothing that Aoki does that Penn doesn’t do better. Florian and Sherk would be able to avoid his submissions and punish him on the feet.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 21, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I tend to agree
Aoki would fare much better in Strikeforce or the WEC. That Shaolin fight really hurt. I love both guys, but they both fell a peg in my book as far as their prospects for competitiveness at lightweight on an international level.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
i think sherk and wrestlers would have a serious advantage in a cage and under Unified Rules and Scoring, in Japan however, in a ring and with Japan scoring and rules, Aoki would definitely be favorited.
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i cant wait to see Kukuno fight again! that guy is awesome weird.
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Most definitely
He lived up to the hype, that’s for sure. I thought if anyone was going to fuck up my parlay, it’d have been him (and not Galvao, damn it).
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
It’s a good thing I dropped $50 on Zaromskis at +1100 to win it all. I thought it was easily lost money. Too bad Galvao failed me though, and my man love Manhoef. Kikuno got me some solid money though.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 21, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Deezang
I was considering putting a few bucks on him and putting a 20 on Galvao after the Mach weight issue. Too bad for one and good thing for the other. I’m still pissed about Galvao. I was hoping Filho would get mashed up so I wouldn’t feel bad about losing that close decision.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Dude, he was already in the semis and a +1100. I had to drop at least $50. I mean, I had $50 on Galvao too, but I won a lot on Zaromskis to cover it. Dropped a hundo on Manhoef, I’m way too biased to bet on Manhoef, lol.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 21, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha
Subo was giving me shit for betting against him. He said I better hope you don’t come around and see it. After Galvao losing, it would have been a consolation that your guy got a win over Filho. Unfortunately for you, his ghosts stayed in America.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Ahh well, I always bet on Manhoef. I can’t help it. I suckered two friends into bets on the Hunt vs. Manhoef fight. I had fun calling them in the wee hours of the morning to say Manhoef just destroyed Hunt, and they said I was a damn liar. 8 hours later, I was taking them out to drinks on their own money.
I just can’t be against Manhoef. Guy’s hands are so ridiculously powerful, anything can happen in an MMA bout. K-1 on the other hand, I have doubts.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 21, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I tried to talk Blackout out of including Galvao. I fucking tried.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 21, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Pfft, I still think Galvao won that fight, but I wouldn’t argue with it. Galvao vs. Zaromskis could have been one-sided as hell.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 21, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's be clear...
He tried talking me out of adding a fourth man to the parlay. That says nothing of Galvao’s inclusion, though he was the fourth addition. I thought he was close to a gimme to change my multiplier from 6.7 to 8. Got greedy.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
I didn't want to have to
But I was specific:
You: Galvao/Filho/Kikuno/Taylor
Me: I feel really good about the last three of those, thought I do love me some Manhoef.
I called Zaromskis too. This is too much fun. I think I’ll stop now.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 21, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 21, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Evidence of nothing, my man
That was well after I placed my bet, so how is it advice?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
In an ontological way, you’re correct, but I still feel I was right.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 21, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you should go back in time and tell me that shit before I place the bet.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 22, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
Totally agree, I thought that his domination of a ten minute first outdoes High’s striking in the five minute second. It seemed to me that he had to finish to win and didn’t do so. But yeah, I was more upset that it was so close a fight than that I was robbed. Galvao should have been able to finish in round one, but he got too anxious instead of softening him up while he had his back with a good six+ minutes to go.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
oh yeah… i am surprised this wasnt a big thing on the forums over here… i TOTALLY thought High lost that fight… i mean, high won the last round, but he needed to dominate it to make up for the first round
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Yeah
That’s something that bothers me about how those fights are seemingly scored. The first round is, in essence, equivalent to two rounds. And Galvao had so many sub attempts, I was dizzy. I thought he won, but it wasn’t a travesty due to how each fighter had his own means of trying to win, and those two judges clearly put little value in Galvao’s BJJ. I think it’s silly, but some judges do seem to lean that way, particularly in Japan where there seems to be a greater importance placed on damage (even though Galvao looked like he just took a jog afterwards).
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
They aren't scored by round.
Rather, they are vaguely scored as a whole.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
I'm aware
It is, after all, a two round fight. My suggestion is the importance of the length of their respective dominant periods.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
I agree with that, and I think Galvao squeaked out that fight.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
One striker/wrestler and one BJJ maverick, neither of which was able to finish the other via their respective speciality, though one was successful at his for a larger duration of the fight. Seems logical to me..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
You are not Japanese. The Budo of fighting back from adversity to take control of the fight weighs more than losing the first two thirds of the fight. Or something like that.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
here's an idea,
Instead of hoping that mid level guys get cut so they’d fight you, why don’t you just go to the UFC and fight them?
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 21, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
No shit. I’m seriously sick of seeing girly Aoki talk. It’s like he gets major cocky all the time, then suddenly gets epicly destroyed (i.e. Sakurai owning his face, and Aoki running into the crowd crying).
Just lose Aoki… then you can come to the States and actually fight real competition. I was rooting for Ribeiro, but only two fights after such a long layoff.. I didn’t expect a win from him.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 21, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Coker did say he was going to get Aoki to fight in Strikeforce soon.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 21, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The SF lightweights aren’t any better than the guys Aoki’s fighting now.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 21, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 21, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s true, he is. I just can’t take Aoki seriously after the look on his face after being knocked silly by Sakurai. Of course, that’s probably completely unfair, but I don’t care.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 21, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t say people hate him, but he’s gotta pull a Jake Shields and put a beating on a bigger guy once in a while to wane people off of this argument that he can’t beat hard hitters/wrestlers.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
He could beat Brock Lesnar if all Brock did was wave to the crowd. Maybe.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
You might have misinterpreted my point, but that was of my own doing. I don’t mean a higher weight class; I mean a larger, more imposing opponent, be it at LW or otherwise.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
HELLO JAPAN!!!
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Snaps!
Do they honestly amalgamate into one super-fighter??
Those topics have been covered. Alvarez is the type of fighter I can see him struggling with, but he fought him very stupidly. Guys that are combos of wrestlers and can hit could give him fits. Alvarez is probably the closest thing to that, but he Sherk/Edgar’d it.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
So you can see Aoki struggling with a guy like Alvarez. He didn’t struggle with him, but because of what you can “see,” Aoki is obligated to beat more guys like Alvarez in order to prove himself?
Do people set the bar this high for any other lightweight fighter?
Whatever any of that means
Alvarez fought a stupid fight. And of course he’s supposed to keep proving himself. What the shit is he doing otherwise?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
I was using “prove himself” in the context of your original post, in which you wrote that Aoki needs to beat a certain type of fighter (identified later in the conversation as an Eddie Alvarez type) in order to ward off the argument that he can’t handle that sort.
My point is that he already did it once. OK, Alvarez fought a stupid fight—people who go to the ground with Aoki often end up looking stupid. And I think that demanding he do it again is holding him to an unusually high standard. Does anybody want BJ Penn to fight another Sean Sherk or Joe Stevenson type to prove he can do it?
Who said he should fight Alvarez again?
I’m not asking the guy to fight Eddie, or anyone else, for that matter. But you’re seemingly suggesting that he never has to fight any of those guys to prove that he can beat them. We’re hypothesizing that he can’t beat some of those individuals and you’re ardently defending his honor and casting a much harsher aspersion towards that entire group of fighters by saying that Aoki beating Alvarez somehow proves that he’s capable of beating all of them as well. Is that what you’re getting it?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
I love aoki and how he fights..
I just want that instead of bragging about being able to beat UFC guys, i hope he’d actually do it and step in the octagon… I wan’t to see him fight florian..
or move up just to face mc’lovin.. that would be a great fight i think.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 21, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If he stopped crying and acting like a douche all the time, I’d like him. I like him as a fighter and all, but I root against the mother fucker in every fight.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 21, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ROFL..
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by Leland Roling on Jul 21, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Fagan, you have your moments.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 21, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
From the UG:
That is just funny. It’s like if the BJ/Florian winner called out Mizuto Hirota in his post-fight interview. It’s just random as hell.
by Nick Thomas on Jul 21, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Ha
That’s pretty good. I think the worst of it is how he says it. He seemingly suggests that Stevenson isn’t very good, instead of saying he thinks he’s a very good/underrated opponent that he’d love to fight some day.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Typical Aoki… he’s starting to get cocky once again. It’s time for Sakurai to shut him up again.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 21, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Aoki has said many times on record, that he would love to fight BJ, its just that he cant due to the way the contacts are made in the UFC.
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Well he can’t fight Stevenson either so what’s the point in calling him out and calling him mid-level?
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by ufc4 on Jul 21, 2009 3:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He didn’t call him out he said he wished that he had gotten cut, so he could fight him. There’s a difference from calling someone out and a “wish list”.
I’m not a BJ fan at all. But I always love guys who go “on record” saying they’d love to fight “x” when it’s an impossibility for that fight to happen unless they actually go to fighter x’s organization. Kind of like me saying that I’d punch Brock Lesnar straight in the face, but he never shows up at my corner Kwik Shop. Easy to say when I know I don’t have to actually back it up.
Ha
Fewer things are easier said than done than saying you’d punch Brock Lesnar in the face.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Aoki was asked about the UFC and BJ, and Aoki simply said he would love that fight but its doubtful due to conract restrictions…. its not like he posted some youtube video calling BJ out.
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if Aoki ever came to the UFC...
Aoki gets KO’d by BJ
Aoki gets GnP’d by Herman
Aoki gets elbow sliced by Kenny Florini
Aoki shits himself in fear of Sanchez’s walkout
Aoki AND Nade Diaz get booed byt American fans for not leaving the ground
Aoki gets decisioned by Guida
Aoki gets decisioned by Griffen
but….
Aoki’s shitty boxing beats Sherk’s shitty boxing and Joe Daddy’s shitty boxing
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Herman?
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by Richard Wade on Jul 21, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Replace Herman with Maynard.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 21, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
My bad...
I always get their names switched up… for some reason I do the same with Franca and Edgar from time to time.
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by MMArazorback on Jul 22, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope he’s not refering to Ed Herman the Middleweight, if so razorback doesn’t know shit and his post loses credibility. KTHXBAI
Doesn’t change the fact that BJ, Kenny, Clay, Tyson, Diego, Gray and maybe even Hermes would beat Aoki.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 21, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Any post that includes “KTHXBAI” loses credibility in most people’s books.
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by MMArazorback on Jul 22, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Herman
Would OWN Aoki.
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by ufc4 on Jul 22, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No problem
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
Wow..
Of all those, you’d pick him to beat Sherk? Fail.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
More of a rag on Sherk...
After Aoki’s shitty boxing monday and Sherk’s insistance on using sub-par boxing rather than takedowns, I was going for ironic?
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by MMArazorback on Jul 22, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Stevenson should leave the UFC and go to DREAM to fight Aoki. What is left for him in the UFC? I am sure he is not content being a gate keeper and in Japan he would probably do a lot better.
Aoki=Jake Shields Jr- calling out gsp all the while signed to a different org. even worse, he’s calling out “the mid-level guys” like stevenson.LOL.
what makes aoki think joe would have went to japan “HAD” he lost and been cut.
i think he would have went to Strikeforce, WEC or a big 1 fight payday w/Affliction. possibly even drop down to the WEC. Dream and japan probably would have been the last place where he would have signed. thats where guys like jt money go that can’t make it in the states..
P.S. Aoki is an idiot!
Again, he didn’t call him out he stated he wished he had been cut because he would like to fight him in DREAM. People are looking to far into this, it’s a called a “wish list”.
P.S. bdw is an idiot.
I wish I could fight a guy not good enough to hack it in the UFC?
Keep that shit to yourself, Shinya.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 21, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"i actually wanted him to lose"
(against nate diaz) so he’d be cut". you need reading comprehension BAD ! what’s the difference between WANTING someone to lose AND BE CUT, so you can fight him, than WISHING he would lose and be cut so you can fight him? NONE!.
C Skit your’e…….not worth it.
people dont read here… they have their bias and cherry pick words for articles to make their point.
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I didn’t get any arrogance from this statement from all. Aoki identified Stevenson as a mid-level UFC fighter, which is accurate, and said he’d like to fight him. Knowing he won’t go the UFC, Aoki mentioned hoping Stevenson would be released from his contract too he could fight in Japan.
Mentioning Joe Stevenson rather than a higher-ranking UFC lightweight seems like the opposite of cocky. It struck me that Aoki was saying that a mid-level UFC lightweight would be a good test for him.
Based on your opinion
That says A lot about where Japanese MMA is today..
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Jul 21, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Aoki’s detractors are always saying that he would be a mid-level UFC guy at best, right? So now that he delivers a quote seeming to acknowledge that someone like Joe Stevenson (who is still a ways from another title shot it would seem) would be a good test, people find a way to rag on him for that, too. Seems odd.
by JRN on Jul 21, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody is hating on the guy
In his current form, he’s not built for the UFC 155 division. If his body could handle the extra weight, I could see him doing very well at 170. UFC has big, strong LW’s that cut down from above and he seems perfectly comfortable at his weight. He’s exhibited that he may not have the strength to defend those fighters.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
Some of you guys have to stop acting so butt hurt. Aoki is listed as like the third guy on my favorite fighters list from when I signed up for this joint. If he’s your cousin, show us some photos. If he’s not, try to actually provide a rebuttal to the argument I posed. If none of these options are available to you, go windex your life-size Aoki cut out.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 21, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you scroll up, you’ll notice that this particular thread of comments is about the idea that this quote somehow represents Aoki being arrogant. So a comment about his physique is pretty weird in that context.
In any case, I don’t think comments about like “Typical Aoki… he’s starting to get cocky once again. It’s time for Sakurai to shut him up again” or “Aoki couldn’t beat Miguel Torres!” have a whole lot to do with him not being built for the UFC 155 division.
I would also say that Aoki’s problem has not been being too weak, but rather, leaving himself open to getting blasted in the face, going back to Jutaro Nakao.
Well, if you’re talking to me, I haven’t made any comments about Aoki being an arrogant prick. And I love Aoki. But I think he’d fare poorly against some UFC guys, even those that I would root for him against. I mean, I’d reeeeeally be pulling for him against a guy like Stevenson, but I think Stevenson would give him problems.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
I know you haven’t made those kinds of comments. That’s why I was confused when you started talking about Aoki being undersized. I was thinking “what does that have to do with whether or not this comment was arrogant?”
I agree that Stevenson could give him problems, in much the same way he did with Nate Diaz (though I give Aoki a better shot for sure).
He's not big enough for 155 so he should go up to 170?
Wat
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
Please, allow me to explain
Guys that are naturally larger have the liberty of hovering around the top of their weight class and cutting down. Aoki is a tall and rangy LW and would likely take a major jump in weight to put on additional muscle. This is why people would say that a Corey Hill should go up and a Kampmann should go down.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
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