Mike Swick and Mike Thomas Brown Defend Honor of MMA From Interloper Brock Lesnar
by Kid Nate on Jul 17, 2009 10:53 AM EDT
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Mike Swick talking to Steve Cofield (transcript via Fight Opinion):
Everyone I know obviously we’ve talked to after the fight you know hates him. Like you said they want to see him fight again. He does have the ‘it factor’ for sure. I mean everybody wants to see him fight again. I’d like to see him fight Cain my teammate you know or Shane Carwin or some of these other guys because I don’t think he’s technically a top fighter...
I mean he’s going to sell PPVs and he’s going to a big draw but I just hope you know the newer breed of fighters coming up don’t look at him and try to be like that. I mean we’re not WWE. You know, we’re a different organization. The two big differences between us and WWE are the facts that you know we are real. I give them respect for the acting and for the athleticism. They’re very talented guys for sure, but it is a big difference what they do and what we do. We go in there and we fight and people get hurt. You put everything on the line in the Octagon and it’s real and on top of that, another great difference between us and them is that the amount of respect we have. We respect each other, we’re always showing respect to each other, there’s always a little bit of talk here and there to build up a fight but at the end of the day when the fight’s over you know we respect each other and we respect the sport, we respect the fans.
Mike Thomas Brown on Inside MMA:
"Normal sports fans, or MMA fans, I don't think they're into type of thing. But the pro wrestling fans, that's what they're into. I've never been a pro wrestling fan, but I could imagine, I know there's a lot of them, how they got really into that. They love the heel, the bad guy, the jerk who talks a lot of smack. So maybe it'll attract some hillbilly fans."
I'm torn here. I sympathize with Swick and Brown as fighters who have invested years in building the sport of MMA only to see someone like Brock Lesnar come along and step into the limelight and then change things for the worse. But at the same time, that's what happens when you build something and it blows up into mass popularity. There's no way to be a "mainstream sport" (or even a near mainstream sport like MMA is today) and not have certain elements of the fans that are lowest common denominator.
But of course, Lesnar's not the first. In fact, ironically enough Swick decries the antics of his The Ultimate Fighter Season 1 cast mate Chris Leben as something that was bad for the sport in the long run. Personally, I was among those rolling my eyes at the new crew of "reality show" fighters at the time. I was wrong about that and fighters like Mike Swick, Forrest Griffin, Rashad Evans and Diego Sanchez have proven again and again that they and the reality show were a net positive for the sport.
There's just no way to get the famous Forrests without giving a platform to the Junie Brownings too. I think in the long run, MMA will survive Brock Lesnar's antics and many of the "hillbilly" fans he has brought along with him will come to appreciate the sport and not just the spectacle.
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Mike Swick and Mike Brown don’t have a clue. I hate to say it…
You can sit there and say that we have respect for each other and this Brock Lesnar guy doesn’t, but nobody actually cares. The fighters obviously do, and it’s no surprise that they hate him. They’ve all been training their whole lives, and Brock just comes in and is the champion almost instantaneously.
The problem I have here is that they truly think that some fans are detracted from Brock from his antics? Listen, you can hate him for his antics, but that’s only going to make you WANT Brock to get his ass kicked. And guess what… you’ll be sitting in front of your TV watching the PPV hoping it’ll happen. It’s a love-hate relationship. Not only does the UFC draw people who love Brock, they draw everyone who hates him too, much like what Tito Ortiz was able to do in the past, and Hughes-Serra also had a bit of that.
It isn’t like hillbilly fans are going to come in droves, and then respectable fans will suddenly leave. It’s just going to add to the revenues. Give it a rest.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Brock's been training most of his life too
just in wrestling rather than MMA.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 17, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I mean, I feel like most of these guys have hurt feelings because some giant WWE wrestler comes in with all his antics and shit, and he becomes champ because he’s a behemoth. They get all jealous and pissy like little girls over it. I mean, I get it, but it seems ridiculous.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yep, my sentiments exactly. Like how fighters discredit him saying he got a shot too fast, but he destroyed Couture. If someone could destroy GSP I think he should immediately get a title shot, same with all the champions. Oh well, until otherwise notified, I’m on the Brock Smash Hype Train.
"You guys are jerking eachother off with some pseudo deep bullshit." - Kid Nate
by kyfm621 on Jul 17, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
To be fair
Couture is an small, old man who hadn’t fought in a long time. GSP isn’t.
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh please, Couture was running off to fight Fedor at the time, no one was calling him a small old man for that fight. And if Brock beats Fedor, is it just going to be because he’s small?
And “to be fair” that small, old man did a hell of alot better than Mir.
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by kyfm621 on Jul 17, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it is
In the eyes of some. People won’t lay down their pitch forks for any reason once they’ve taken them up. He’s come too far to back off now.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we ever meet in real life, I hereby promise to buy you an entire stash of tinfoil for you to make all the hats you need.
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How resourceful
This sort of drivel comprises half of your commentary.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His Brock-hating comments represent well over 50% of his contribution here.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m cruising at 65% right now, but hoping for 75 by Christmas.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to his conspiracy F-macro’s for lack of any truly thoughtful response.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but Couture was doing pretty well.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was doing well when he was being tossed around like a ragdoll, or when he was being knocked out?
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Courtures defence
I don’t think ragdoll is the correct term, but…
by proflex on Jul 17, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got up pretty quickly from the takedowns, and he was making Lesnar work. I don’t see how getting bashed with one punch suddenly makes Randy’s performance absolute shit. He was doing decent up until he was knocked silly.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was more than one punch. Randy spent the whole fight trying to survive. I wouldn’t call that “doing pretty well”, I’d call it “delaying the inevitable”.
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He performed better than Frank Mir.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tito performed better against Machida than Rashad.
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by iiowyn on Jul 17, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lesnar used different tactics against each of them. Plus, I hear that Lesnar has been learning an incredible amount of technique between fights, so he should have been more dominant against Mir than Couture, right?
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was, though they were both 2nd round TKO’s. I don’t think Randy is done and I hope he makes everyone that thinks he is look foolish against Nog. Of course, I’m hoping Nog does the same thing, so I’m kind of rooting for them to kick each other’s asses.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, you want them to “Just Bleed.” :-)
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More ‘Just Make Each Other Bleed’, but yes. The whole ‘Randy is done’ meme fits in with the bullshit ‘UFC is protecting Brock’ meme, and I don’t believe either.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy better be close to done or we’re gonna have to see if the athletic commision can test for “robot.”
“Mr. Couture, your piss test came back… with motor oil.”
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
After the apocalypse, there will be cockroaches and Olympic wrestlers left.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Kim Couture trying to suck the blood out of both.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Randy is using legal steroids.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 17, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
However, it doesn’t help explain Couture’s success wrestling with Brock. Granted, Mir isn’t a wrestler, but looking at it separate of that; Couture was doing very well wrestling Brock for such a broken down old race horse.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I can’t wait for the Couture/Nog fight.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looked more like barely losing a fight to me.
by Captain7 on Jul 17, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was noticeably losing a competitive fight. He was still losing though.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 17, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It was unfair for Brock to knock him out. They should have used a bone saw to surgically remove six inches from his reach.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then put a chain connecting his hand with his arm.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 17, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After the Mir fight, you’re still toeing the line on this bullshit? Pray tell; what is Mir if not small and old? Since he was so much more helpless than Couture?
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where by “small” you mean 20 pounds heavier than Randy, and by “old” you mean two years younger than Brock. :-)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m saying he’s neither, but myth applies those two pardons to Couture.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quote what you’re replying to. I’m not gonna break out a ruler and line up replies to see which one you’re misunderstanding this time.
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can just hit the “up” button.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 17, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest
I don’t think it matters much. ;)
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, it doesn't
I said what I had to for the sake of those around us, not to see your canned rebuttal.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously.
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh but hey
since we’re flagging, I’ll flag this one since you just admitted to replying to me with the intention of insulting me to get the internet-applause from your buddy, rather than to further the discussion.
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s adorable. I don’t know why ‘saying Randy Couture is decrepit’ isn’t an option under the flag button.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Because us children don’t fancy the flag button as a toy. Real good..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys need to calm down on this subject. Nothing to get into a fit about. If you have a difference in opinion, move on.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa! Everybody’s replying to me about these two knuckleheads!
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re in deep shit.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks a lot, guys!
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only because it came down into the general area where the discussion was occurring.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That comment was harmless, methinks.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys need to calm down on this subject. Nothing to get into a fit about. If you have a difference in opinion, move on.
No joke. But that’s what they do. Note the difference in tone from before and after these two showed up. I must say no more.
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, which two? What? Huh? I don’t like it when mommy and daddy fight! It makes my tummy rumble!
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re only antagonizing the situation by calling people children. Nobody wants to be talked down to, especially when we’re simply discussing MMA.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re so delicate that you started calling people children. If you can’t handle being challenged in a conversation, maybe this isn’t for you.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you like to simply have the ability to say demonstrably untrue things without being called on it?
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, that’s called “being on the Internet.”
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
joined Apr 29, 2009 last login Jul 17, 2009 posts 1 comments 40
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You too can master the art of copying and pasting join dates.
by Jmend255 on Jul 17, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yawn
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does that matter?
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 17, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all likelihood
Blackout was just referring to the fact that Jmend hasn’t been on the sight for long, and therefore wouldn’t know what Subo’s posting style was. Jmend has probably been lurking around for a while and just joined recently to participate in the discussion.
Not trying to insult anyone.
by Captain7 on Jul 17, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love an example if you can find one under your bridge there.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn’t there a “stfu subo” gif somewhere for these special occasions?
by Jmend255 on Jul 17, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what? He hasn’t said anything. He’s simply asking for an example. Seriously, just stop the hate. It’s ridiculous.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the much needed Face-Heel dynamic. Soon the UFC will be the number one Sports Entertainment company.
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly, it sets up the possiblity of attracting so many fans. Fighters should be a bit more understanding because it will essentially vault the UFC into the mainstream eventually.
You can’t keep a sport down that is just growing to a monsterous size because Lesnar said he’d mount his wife and flipped the bird on PAY PER VIEW. It wasn’t like it was on national television for one, and two… mainstream media doesn’t want that many fans coming to their website and reading coverage? No wonder they are dying off.
Indirectly, fighters are going to feel more money in their pocket. Let the UFC do what it does best, market this.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow – way to miss sarcasm.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I have such a bad rep – nobody knows when I’m kidding around here. Maybe it’s not me.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame it on the lack of trolls around here. Which I am utterly fine with.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 17, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have a bad rep?
I like you just fine. I suffer from a similar problem, and I probably have a much shittier reputation with a lot of d00dz around here. That’s why my sig read “I poop rainbows” for so long.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your new sig isn’t half bad either.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 17, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I miss the poop rainbows. It’s a lovely image.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No wonder you want that statue
Since the poop rainbows are included in the composition.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think you have a bad rep. I like the fact you come with different viewpoints. Gets the juices churning in my head.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got it, but I’m still working on my initial point, probably shouldn’t have replied on that one.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the fact that so many people hate the yankees doesn’t hurt baseball, mlb, the yankees, or the steinbrenner’s bank account.
Same thing here.
by Phildo on Jul 17, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time the Yanks came out to the field at the end of the game and flipped off the fans? Just curious.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does the middle of a game count?
If yes, 1995, if no, I’ll need to do some more research.
by Phildo on Jul 17, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, it’s a good thing I don’t follow baseball then.
(The whole team? Really? WOW.)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s was just one guy, but it counts.
I’m not talking about the middle finger. Life needs bad guys, everything is good vs evil. Being a bad guy is not a bad thing when you are in the entertainment business. All sports are forms of entertainment.
by Phildo on Jul 17, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Errr..
Lesnar is also one guy, and he’s making a parallel between the Yanks and the UFC as a whole.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(I was actually asking – I really don’t follow baseball. You could tell me that the Mariners all took a dump on home plate and I’d buy it.)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mariners all took a dump on home plate
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
(The whole team? Really? WOW.)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I literally just laughed out loud. You just made me get the WTF look from my roommates.
by Captain7 on Jul 17, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do I at least get an assist on that one? :-)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 18, 2009 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“You can sit there and say that we have respect for each other and this Brock Lesnar guy doesn’t, but nobody actually cares.”
Clearly nobody cares because nobody has been complaining. I mean, it’s not like that totally overshadowed Brock’s becoming the unified heavyweight champ or anything.
Ahem.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who’s complaining? Mainstream media and some MMA writers. Most fans don’t care. I had buddies over during the event who were straight casual fans who thought the antics were funny. A lot of hardcores want to see him go down, but they’ll tune in to see if that’ll happen.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah, so we arrive at the truth: nobody is the set that contains MMA writers, journalists, MMA hardcores, and anyone you haven’t met.
Well then: nobody thinks your point is idiotic. :-)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MMA writers, journalists, MMA hardcores
Pretty much the definition of nobodies. With some exceptions of course.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 17, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You, for instance, good sir.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct fellow nobody.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 17, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant you were the exception!
But regardless: Hey Leland, I’ve talked to a BUNCH of non-hardcore fans that are all asking me for a list of names of people that will shut Brock up after what they heard last Saturday. Are they nobody too?
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m a bit confused at your point.
The “Nobody cares” phrase goes along with Brock’s antics. I suppose NOBODY is strong if we consider the people who are complaining, but those people… the UFC doesn’t care what they think. Revenues are going to rise because of the antics regardless.
As for your friends, do they give a shit about Brock’s antics? Do they think it hurts the sport and it’ll cause mainstream media to exit stage right? Do they care about any of that?
Or do they simply want to see Lesnar get bashed in or vice versa?
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore, do those same fans care about the respect level, because that’s what the initial comment you pasted was referring to.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, exactly. People – the kind who aren’t on websites talking about this crap, but still buy PPVs – said that they were disgusted when he got in Mir’s face. I think a lot of non-hardcore fans are only willing to accept the more brutal aspects of MMA because of things like the respect between the fighters.
That’s a HUGE selling point for mainstream audiences: that these guys aren’t bloodthirsty killing machines, but respectful martial artists and real athletes.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(Not to mention sponsors as well.)
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the CURRENT fans care because they are already sucked into MMA.
But as you pointed out, mainstream audiences… yes, I suppose I would agree with that point. They probably aren’t going to be appealed to bloodthirsty killing machines. I think fans already sucked into this sport see the disrespect and think “God damn, I hate Brock Lesnar” and they’ll tune in to hope he gets crushed by someone.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So were those same people
“disgusted” hearing Mir’s pre-fight shit talking about Lesnar & how he was learning moves & positions that Lesnar could not pronounce?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Jul 17, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if those same people
had some background as to why Lesnar was so pissed at Mir, it would have made a little more sense. For Mir, you don’t get to shit talk a guy for months & expect there not to be hard feelings.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Jul 17, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean people like Dana White?
Regarding Lesnar getting in Frank Mirs face afterwards. “It’s not what we’re about… that’s out of line”
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/7/17/952690/dana-white-is-still-miffed-about
52 seconds in
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
White was not bitching about Lesnar getting in Mir's
face, he was talking about the shit he said about Bud Light. White actually said later that was the only thing he had a problem with.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Jul 17, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
Watch it again. He specifically states he’s talking about getting in Mirs face. (point #2 he makes)
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But after being pressed on the issue he say’s that he would likely do the same thing in that situation.
by Captain7 on Jul 17, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But he did say its not what the UFC is about, and that it was out of line. But Dana himself has been known to have some irrational outbursts :)
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Casual fans don’t hear all of that – that’s the difference between them and us. Right?
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care why someone likes the sport
Their money is just as green as mine, and the fighters need it. The more eyes, the better – I don’t care what’s going on behind them.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is ultimately the difference of opinion here. I agree with subo (I can’t believe I said that). They are paying fans, more money means more revenues, eventually giving fighters more pay, and those numbers will attract sponsors, and media wanting to get their piece of the action.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree with subo (I can’t believe I said that).
You can take all the showers you want, you’re still going to feel dirty.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing but nothing feels dirtier than a Subo rec though.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got one of those, too.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I WEEP FOR LELAND
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t rec it. LOL
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“You can take all the showers you want, you’re still going to feel dirty.”
go to the hardware store and get some tsp, it might help, won’t do your skin any favours but it might help.
by proflex on Jul 17, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Zep – it’s the shit we used to use to clean the garage floor. Yellow grainy powder – good, good stuff.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds better then tsp thats for sure.
by proflex on Jul 17, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next time you’re at a fight and have to hang out with those guys you might. :-)
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have, but I don’t particularly like viewing fights live for the mere fact I can’t see shit and I have to look at the screens more than the actual cage.
I get it, they are disruptive, but they did pay fucking ridiculous money for a UFC event. Dana White doesn’t care.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But there is still a large portion of people who think that them being bloodthirsty killing machines is a good thing.
Just as many people liked what brock did as hated it, it’s just the people that liked it don’t have mma blogs.
by Phildo on Jul 17, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i.e. your typical drunken casual fan.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit – you’re right! The UFC should do all it can to market to the lowest common denominator!
Race you to the bottom!
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, obviously you want to progressively get the fanbase more educated, but the bars are filled with those types of fans. They aren’t going to turn their dollars away.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, this is a business man.
Why would the UFC not want every single person in this world, hillbillies, drunks or who the fuck ever to spend their money on the product?
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Jul 17, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because MMA is my precious baby that I’ve loved since VHS and I simply won’t tolerate Brock Lesnar ruining all of that.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or because those are the sort of fans that show up and throw beer bottles in the ring when the fight goes to the ground like you see at other promotions.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the UFC becomes Strikebox, we can all start bitching. We’re not there yet.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I hear the casual fans would love it.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don’t get everything they want. Casual NASCAR fans would like the cars to shoot out Spy Hunter-style oil slicks, but no.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't understand all the consternation about the original Strikebox rules
They weren’t MMA, and I wouldn’t want to see the UFC go down that route, but they were very much in line with rule sets such as San Shou and Shootbox.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 17, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock only got in Mir’s face because Mir got up like a raving luneatic and tried to rush Lesnar for some strange reason, I can’t fully fault Lesnar for that little stint.
by proflex on Jul 17, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t have to. Dana White already did.
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get a shovel
Dana didn’t get on Brock for yelling at Frank. Had Brock merely yelled at Frank and not talked shit on the sponsors, he’d have never been reprimanded.
You’ve got so much hating of Brock ahead of you. You sure as hell can’t accuse the UFC of protecting him if they give him Carwin or Fedor next.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, surveying your friends isn’t worldly. A lot of my friends are the same types and they were thrilled with his behavior. It was funny and not everyone is so concerned with the antics of those they aren’t personally associated with. They aren’t ardently defending the sport like we are. The irony is that we’re the ones still bantering about it and they’re watching baseball games and working. We’re angry about how the world views this because from the inside it looks potentially disastrous, but we’re still ordering the shows. Casual fans don’t give a shit enough about MMA to still be talking about Brock insulting sponsors six days ago. They’re on to the next thing, just like we will be in a matter of days/weeks. It’s really a non-argument in my mind.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that, but our view of being angry that it makes the sport look bad is going to be profoundly veto’d by the bigger casual fanbase that doesn’t care.
I would love to see MMA be more professional, and I think the way it can happen in this case is how Dana White is handling it by saying it was a huge mistake by Brock.
Honestly, a lot of fans don’t seem to care about the antics, but that probably means they aren’t opposed to seeing a more professional attitude either. More professionalism is the way to go.
Insulting sponsors, however, is a point that I’m very adamant on saying that it’s a NO-NO. He should have NEVER done that.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he never will again
So that’s out of the way in my mind.
I’ve said in discussions regarding Lesnar’s post fight tirade that I don’t want guys to get wrangled into some formality laden post-fight bullshit. Some guys are going to say things we don’t like and maybe we’ll think they’re giant dicks for it, but I’ll defend their right to say it. People are having a fit over Lesnar’s comments because he’s in the spotlight. But none of those same people were calling on Lesnar to be the PR rep and torch bearer for the UFC/MMA’s public perception. Did that responsibility fall to him somehow? I don’t think so. Part of the reason I love MMA is the unpredictability of the fights and the fighters. I don’t remember a similar outburst when Nick Diaz was throwing shoes at people and starting fights in hospitals, because he wasn’t a former pro wrestler. I think that whole line of bullshit needs to go away. Lesnar can’t speak freely because he used to be a pro wrestler. There is no sense in that; the dude couldn’t work a mic for his life back then. This is his personality, before and after his days in the WWF/WWE. Lawlor brought more pro wrestling to UFC 100 than Lesnar did, but there are obvious reasons no one’s telling him to back to the wrestling ring.
If Brock Donkey Kong’s Carwin and thanks his mom afterwards, then I’ll be pissed.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’ll agree with that.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So geting the belt and then unifying the belt was not enough? Now he has to defend it, 5 consecutive times before he is taken seriously? Probably so.
by Bandaka on Jul 17, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People use this to attribute to their suggestion that Brock isn’t a real mixed martial artist, but he’s doing a mighty fine job of disposing of everyone that supposedly is.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Missus Carwin, thank you so much for givin’ me this big dumb bastard to slam through the floor. Brock bless you.”
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 17, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God bless God bless you
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by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s what you’re not getting: I’m not arguing that EVERYBODY was upset. I’m arguing that NOT NOBODY was upset. Leland said nobody, I said somebody. Somebody is the opposite of nobody, not everybody.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell no, I am just a nobody with a huge appreciation for Machida and Hazelett.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 17, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems to suggest that those people now care more.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rather than say anything, I'll just make this green.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is hardly new to MMA. We have seen Tank Abbott, Tito and others play all sorts of games.
Anyone remember Tito’s antics after his Belfort bout? He called out Chuck and Ken Shamrock, making a very big spectacle.
Tito’s grave-digging, gun-shooting post fight routine was just as bad. And Tito has, i the past two years, accused two sep opponents of cheating. Is that what Swick means by respecting your opponent after the fight?
Swick’s buddy Josh Koscheck, after beating Jon Goulet, ran around making a belt geasture around his waist as well as doing the crotch chop (straight from pro-wrestling) while his opponent was still down. Is that any better?
I have no problem with guys saying they don’t like that kind of stuff, but don’t act as though Brock was the first to do it.
by Lynchman on Jul 17, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are they trying to say that Pro Wrestlers have no respect for each other? Of course they do, they are on the road together and are basically on big family. So saying MMA fighters have tons of respect for each other (while true) is just irrelevant.
by Bandaka on Jul 17, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I certainly see how some would be offended at Lesnar's rant
after the Mir fight, the end result is nothing but a positive for the UFC & MMA in general. More mainstream coverage, more people talking about “hey did you see Brock Lesnar on Saturday”? He does need to lay off the sponsor bashing for sure, but other than that what exactly did he say or do that we have not seen tons of other fighters do in our sport? Tito, Shamrock, the Diaz brothers all have done this exact same thing. IMO, every sport needs a decent mix of fighters whom people love because of their character & also those that people love to hate. This ensures that the casual fan will watch just to see that jerk Lesnar fight where as they would not normally watch. The hillbilly fan comment by Brown is way ridiculous & really shows his intelligence about what our sport needs, which is more mainstream coverage.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Jul 17, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
about what our sport needs, which is more mainstream coverage.
I think that they would rather the sport get positive mainstream coverage.
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it will come
We’ve got to get them to notice it first, lol.
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course positive would be the most wanted type of coverage,
but until that happens you take what gets your company & sport the most attention. Whatever it takes to get more casual & non-fans attention is always good. These people have to get introduced to MMA somehow, right? I mean do you mind if tons more people get interested in MMA/UFC to hate Lesnar? I do not.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Jul 17, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well kind of
It doesn’t affect me personally or financially, but honestly I would rather new fans who appreciate the sport, and not the car crash aspect. I don’t think it needs more people who boo when the fight hits the ground, or chant “boring”.
The Tough Man crowd (so to speak) – I think MMA can do without it. It has so far.
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by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know and I sort of agree with you new fans truly appreciating the sport,
but one miracle at a time! lol
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Jul 17, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you mythbuster
But I just don’t see it happening on a large scale. I think MMA especially will have a large audience that wants to see “the car crash aspect” at least for a while. Until it is no longer a novelty to them at least.
I know anecdotal evidence is frowned upon but… I would call myself a football fan. Do I understand the intricacies of the game? Hell no. I don’t know a nickle from a dime (thank you Madden 1997) but I love watching an exciting touchdown pass or watching a QB get flattened by an especially large and excited man. I don’t know if you can draw any conclusions from that (probably not) but I thought I’d toss that in there.
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand what you're saying
There is a difference between football fans who want to see an exciting touchdown pass or a hard tackle, and the fan who wants to see someone get crippled on the field.
I think most football fans who want to see a great tackle will actual feel bad for a guy when he doesn’t stand up afterwards. And I like those fans.
The same goes for MMA, imo. For example – Hendersons knock out of Bisping was awesome (like a great tackle). The shot after was cheap and should be discouraged (like kicking the tackled guy who can’t get up). The people who loved the shot afterwards are fans of violence, not the sport. And I think there lies the difference.
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by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re spot on with the analogy.
by spectaa on Jul 17, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
I wasn’t even taking into consideration the people who watch football (to keep with the analogy here) to watch someone get crippled on the field.
I was trying to paint a picture of fans who really don’t care about the intricacies of the game (reading plays = understanding ground tactics in MMA) and the people who are just there to see an exciting play (a 20 yard pass that leads to a 60 yard touchdown = a great knockout in MMA).
I’m not sure if I just didn’t explain my analogy well enough or if you were just trying to introduce a new perspective with your own analogy… lol
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just pointing out another type of fan altogether :)
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by mythbuster on Jul 17, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cool cool
:)
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The shot with Bisping on the ground was the best part. The shot that was made a split second after Bisping fell down. The shot that was made before the ref stepped in. Why don’t you choose another example, like Bablue choking out Heath.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 17, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That KO Henderson put on Bisping made the Top Plays of the Week on Sportscenter.
It was #3.
by mattman73 on Jul 17, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you are kidding yourself if you think that White is
not loving seeing the UFC/Lesnar being talked about all over ESPN & other sports media outlets, negative or not. The main problem with Lesnar’s rant was pissing on Bud Light, which it seems White jumped his shit for & I am sure will not happen again.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Jul 17, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’ll happen because the hype is getting ridiculous. More viewers, mainstream can’t avoid the huge number of fans the UFC will attract.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel that this sort of attitude is dually offending the hundreds of other fighters making a name and living in the sport. My opinion is that anyone that is offended by Lesnar says “Lesnar is an asshole” and not “holy shit, all mixed martial artists are assholes”. People don’t see Milton Bradley throw a chair at a fan and say “baseball players are violent beasts!”. It’s a silly way of looking things, honestly.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t help but think alot of the fighters who are grumbling over the Brock thing are more upset about Brock’s paycheck and status, rather than what comes out of his mouth. Piss and moan all you want girlies, Brock is here to stay.
And am I the only one that cannot stand Mike Swick’s take on MMA fighters talking smack but being cool in the end? Is he oblivious to the fact that maybe some people just don’t play that “Hype the fight” game, and take shit personally? Ugh.
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by kyfm621 on Jul 17, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And am I the only one that cannot stand Mike Swick’s take
How about just asking if anyone can stand Mike Swick, period. I can’t. Just my opinion.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I almost just left it at that to be honest, because I always have this shitty taste in my mouth every time he gets done fighting. Can’t stand him. I think it’s the fish lips and old douchebag sideburns he had.
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by kyfm621 on Jul 17, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand being upset, but...
Let’s be honest. There is a very small contingent of MMA fans who care about the respect and the technique. The other 98% just want to see someone get knocked the fuck out.
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
98% of fans are the Just Bleed guy? Really? Huh.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep.
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you got this number from?
Cause I know for a fact that the justBleed guy ended up enjoying ground game & submissions few years later.
by spectaa on Jul 17, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see below
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I changed it for “justbreak” after the Mir sylvia fight.
by spectaa on Jul 17, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I think that kind of proves my point. He changed it from “Just Bleed” to “Just Break” so… instead of wanting to see someone bleed he wanted to see someone’s bones break? I don’t know if that is an indication he wanted to see technique…
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, I have no idea (to be honest) what this guy is doing with his life actually. Maybe he now have “just sweep”, please do not judge the justbleed guy on my attempt at humor.
by spectaa on Jul 17, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard
He was in jail… seriously…
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But to be fair...
You brought him up as a way to make a point. I was just challenging the point you were attempting to make.
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TRUE
I brought him up cause if he is the basic UFC fan that only enjoyed a good KO, if he sticked around, he probably ended up enjoying ground game and submission at least a little bit. You can’t be a long time fan and JUST enjoy KOs I don’t believe it, that’s why I can justify getting as much fans as possible with lame WWE acts from times to times. But I may be delusional.
Well, that’s is my point. Justbreak was irony (I still think it was a good one :p).
by spectaa on Jul 17, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you! (To a certain degree...)
Let’s be honest. I don’t know where you saw the fight, but I went to a bar with a group of about 50 people (yes 50) and the place was PACKED. I go to this bar ALL the time to watch fights and it was beyond packed it was what I imagine life as a sardine is like. When Lesnar threw up the middle fingers and gave his Coors Light speech the bar erupted! People were cheering and laughing and booing, but I guarantee they will ALL come back to see what else is going to happen in the saga of Brock Lesnar.
But I don’t think you can say “he probably ended up enjoying ground game and submission at least a little bit” because we just don’t know. At this point that is just pure speculation.
My 2 cents… okay, it’s more like $1.35 but you know.. :)
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw it on the yahoo stream (30€), I can watch it on TV but 3 or 7 days later. I only know hardcore fans, cause in my country everyone and his mother is a soccer fan, if you know about MMA it’s no coincidence. I know a casual guy that bought the game, I played with him and he couldn’t stand the ground game and stopped playing :p. I guess that’s the most casual guy I know, but I would never call him a fan. All the other fans I know are educated about the sport, but they are for the most of them either hardcore martial arts fans, training MMA, or longtime MMA fans. But I know I’m not in a common situation. It still make it hard for me to believe your statement, but you’re anecdote speaks for itself.
by spectaa on Jul 17, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoy
a healthy dose of knock outs as much as the next guy, but I like to see a good ground game as well.
by proflex on Jul 17, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
And obviously the “98%” was hyperbole, but I do believe there is a greater portion of fight fans that aren’t interested in the technique involved with the ground game or the respect between fighters. I mean, the pop in a room full of spectators when there some sick juijitsu going on and a potential knock out is pretty obvious.
To me at least.
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know where this is going, more exposure, mainstream blabla. Great stuff. But Brock asked for it, so why the surprise? He wants to be the bad guy, and by doing so he gave those guys the opportunity to be heroes.Nothing unexpected here.
by spectaa on Jul 17, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If memory serves correct
didn’t The Rock back in the day refer to all WWE fans as hillbillies and trailer trash, followed up by the worst finishing move in the history of pretend fighting? Maybe Swick is also hoping to cash in on the heel status combined with limited skill.
by rzor on Jul 17, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Swick is a little high on himself
Oh my god, Lesnar didn’t respect Mir, I don’t respect Mir and would have done the same damned thing, this is not the first time we’ve seen two fighters have no respect for eachother, and it won’t be the last, so what. As for his assumption of Lesnar not being top notch in technique, I dare him to name ONE, just one fighter with the wrestling technique of Lesnar, and he’s a champion, So the man doesn’t have a BJJ pedigree, or is not a top notch striker from a former boxing background. How many fighter who have 5 fights under his belt is a complete techinical fighter, I’d go out on a limb and say none. Again Brock is a champion, not something Swick can say or may ever be able to say in his lifetime as a fighter. No offense Swick, but I seriously doubt anyone really cares what you think about Lesnar.
by proflex on Jul 17, 2009 11:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if the sport was filled with all swicks and no dicks what fun would that be? every sport needs a guy who stands alone from the pack.
by pitbull187 on Jul 17, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
We are all missing something here.......
Swick’s and Brown’s comments seem to have done a nice job getting us to talk about Swick and Brown amidst all the talk of Lesnar and his hillbilly WWE antics. It is a case of bad press being better than no press. I can’t wait to see how Jose Aldo does against Brown’s strength and wrestling in their upcoming title fight. I also am getting kind of juicy about a Swick vs Kampman fight. Also, has anyone heard from Carlos Condit. Maybe he should talk some shit about Lesnar too.
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by Warhand on Jul 17, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure...
Condit is fighting Lytle next… no shit talking necessary. :)
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All that Brock bashing by other fighters sounds good but I’m betting they would all love to be on the next PPV he is on because he can put more money in their pockets.
by mattman73 on Jul 17, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
^this
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Logan Stanton
Back to LB today :) ..Does ANYBODY like that trash bag Lesnar?? Gross..
by Jmend255 on Jul 17, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This obviously means she secretly wants to jump his bones—a closet Lesnarsexual.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 17, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She sure was eyeballing him at the weigh-ins. And I’m pretty sure Arianny is on record as pro-Brock.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Lesnarsexual"
I love it! I think you really would have to be in a whole new category to find that sexy… I’m a Lesnar fan and all, but… um… no.
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by funnytiger on Jul 17, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always did like that girl.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 17, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely Sickening
Mike Swick, go change your Kotex Pad,… and Mike Thom-ass, excuse me sir, Do We Know You? The ONLY reason these 2 wanna be’s are boo-hooing is because of what Brock is being payed and the Limelight. You two Girl Scouts wana make the big time? Then for GAWD Sakes stop kissing your opponents azzez before and after a fight! This isnt kisseyface corner, stop trying to make the public think your perfect Gentlemen and act like men and fight! This is a sport for Fighters, Warriors, Bullies, and men that want to show just how Badd Azz they are! It;s not like hey can I buy you a Coke after the fight? I punched you in the face can we kiss now and make up?
I have advice for you Swick and Thom-Ass, you wanna be stars? you wanna be the badd asses, then act like it! If an Entertaining fighter doesnt put fans in the seats, then hes usless, oh you dont have to believe me, just look at the long list of who’s come and gone, now do me a favor,….. NAME EM!……. Do you get the point???
Who cares what you think this sport should be, it’s up to the PAYING FANS, and as a paying fan, guess what? I would buy a Brock Lesnar pay per view any day of the week, but you two ladies better get with the Program, or find jobs at Wal-Mart in the Toy Section Under Ass- Clowns!
by jimbothe on Jul 18, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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