Snapshot of the Day: Bobby Lashley and Shane Carwin - Comparing the Size of the Top Heavyweights in MMA
by Nick Thomas on Jul 17, 2009 10:32 AM EDT
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Bobby Lashley is 6'3" (256), Shane Carwin is 6'3" (260) [walks around 280 according to MMA Live] and Brock Lensar is 6'3.5" (265).
After Georges St. Pierre vs. BJ Penn 2, Dana White was quoted in saying:
"Size matters in this sport. It didn't a few years ago. It does now."
So I thought it would be interesting to list the top heavyweights along with their height and weight.
A couple things that jumped out were: Brett Rogers is huge, Aleksander Emelianenko is the tallest and if it wasn't for Jeff Monson, Fedor would be the shortest top heavyweight, proving right there that skill > size:
- Fedor Emelianenko 6'0" (230)
- Josh Barnett 6'3" (248)
- Brock Lesnar 6'3.5" (265)
- Frank Mir 6'3" (245)
- Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 6'3" (246)
- Randy Couture 6'1" (220)
- Shane Carwin 6'3" (260)
- Brett Rogers 6'5" (262)
- Andrei Arlovski 6'4" (244)
- Alistair Overeem 6'5" (242)
- Cain Velasquez 6'1.5" (239)
- Jeff Monson 5'9" (242)
- Mirko Filipovic 6'2" (226)
- Fabricio Werdum 6'4" (256)
- Cheick Kongo 6'4" (230)
- Junior dos Santos 6'4" (237)
- Antonio Silva 6'4" (260)
- Ben Rothwell 6'5" (264)
- Aleksander Emelianenko 6'6" (253)
- Gabriel Gonzaga 6'2" (258)
- Chris Tuchscherer 6'2" (264)
- Paul Buentello 6'2" (244)
- Heath Herring 6'4" (250)
- Ray Mercer 6'1" (257)
- Gilbert Yvel 6'2" (237)
- Bobby Lashley 6'3" (256)
Image captures via this UFC Fan Expo video.
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To be perfectly honest, I wouldn’t mind seeing an Aleksander vs. Lesnar showdown. It won’t happen obviously, but Aleksander presents an unique challenge. He has phenomenal boxing, but he also has a lot of weight and can move it quickly. For his size, his Sambo is very good.
Lesnar would probably get him to the ground, but it surely isn’t a guarantee right off the bat.
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I know Aleks has the trophies that say he is a very capable Sambo guy, but I’ll be damned if he doesn’t get tooled with the quickness every time one of his fights hits the ground. At this point, I hold Alek’s Sambo credentials with the same regard that I hold Andy Wang’s BJJ credentials.
by Steve4192 on Jul 17, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
“Size matters in this sport. It didn’t a few years ago. It does now.”
Poor Dana White. Guy doesn’t know anything about the sport 
("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)
fun excercise
Let’s split these guys into the over 230 class and the under 230 class (cruiserweight), anyone who could cut down to 230 (within 18 pounds) will be a cruiserweight —
Cruiserweight 206-230lbs
- Fedor Emelianenko 6’0" (230)
- Josh Barnett 6’3" (248)
- Frank Mir 6’3" (245)
- Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira 6’3" (246) — that was an out of shape weight for Big Nog
- Randy Couture 6’1" (220)
- Andrei Arlovski 6’4" (244)
- Alistair Overeem 6’5" (242)
- Cain Velasquez 6’1.5" (239)
- Jeff Monson 5’9" (242)
- Mirko Filipovic 6’2" (226)
- Cheick Kongo 6’4" (230)
- Junior dos Santos 6’4" (237)
- Paul Buentello 6’2" (244)
- Gilbert Yvel 6’2" (237)
Heavyweights 231-265lbs at weigh in
- Brock Lesnar 6’3.5" (265)
- Shane Carwin 6’3" (260)
- Brett Rogers 6’5" (262)
- Fabricio Werdum 6’4" (256)
- Antonio Silva 6’4" (260)
- Ben Rothwell 6’5" (264)
- Aleksander Emelianenko 6’6" (253)
- Gabriel Gonzaga 6’2" (258)
- Chris Tuchscherer 6’2" (264)
- Heath Herring 6’4" (250)
- Ray Mercer 6’1" (257)
- Bobby Lashley 6’3" (256)
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Absolutely
and that’s not even counting the many large fighters out there just getting into MMA instead of pro wrestling or pro football.
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A the money in MMA increases and we start getting more Tier 1 large athletes in the sport, will cutting to 265 be unreasonable for some guys?
In the past anyone above 265 was basically a freakshow, but with Lesnar already pushing to get there its not unreasonable to think you might eventually have really good athletic figthers who can’t make 265.
If your counting on Ray Mercer to fill out your list of “top heavyweights” then perhaps you should rethink “enough talent for 2 divisions” :D
Aleksander Emelianenko may never fight anywhere where there are people doing blood test ever again and who knows if Antonio Silva will ever get to come back to the US. That leaves 9 guys in multiple organizations as the top of this new heavyweight division. Maybe in 5 to 10 years you will have enough talent to do a split but not as things are now.
Did you really put Ray Mercer in?
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by Rundownloser on Jul 17, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
That is some good talent for both divisions, and it doesn’t even include some mid-tiers like Hardonk or the Heavyweights from next season’s Ultimate Fighter. Fedor would be the king of the Cruiserweight division, and Lesnar would be the top of the Heavyweight Division.
by chrisbboy82 on Jul 17, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure we could do the same with guys who are fighting at 205 and 185 who could fight at 195. And with guys who are fighting at 185 and 170 who could fight at 177. and with guys at 170 and 155 who could fight at 163. and then we could parse it down even more. Soon we can just go with the boxing 15 weight class model and it can be too hard for casual fans to follow!
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 18, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
^ this
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 18, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If you take the top 15 HWs according to BE’s meta-rankings, you have 10 of them in the proposed Cruiserweight division and only 4 above that (Tim Sylvia is 15th until the next ranking). On that list, the CWs on average are actually stronger than the HWs (you also included Ray Mercer on this list, and I don’t know that he’s even ever going to have another fight with a top ranked HW).
If you want HW to remain competitive, you’re gonna need to set CW at a lower weight than that. Not to mention that the talent pools are split roughly in half between HWs who are and aren’t in the UFC.
There may be enough talent for a CW division like the one you envision some day, maybe even just a few years from now, but I really don’t think there is one today. If you had to have a CW division right now you’d have to make it a 200-220 class, and maybe raise HWs upper weight limit by about 10 lbs.
If Carwin walks around at 280 why did he come in under 260 two of his last three fights?
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by ufc4 on Jul 17, 2009 10:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Walking around weight doesn’t necessarily mean “at the height of fitness right before a fight” weight. He probably loses the lbs during camp instead of cutting.
by Albertrayon on Jul 17, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Well that’s my point. Carwin doesn’t add 15 pounds after the weigh-in like Brock does.
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by ufc4 on Jul 17, 2009 12:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dude used to fight SHW at over 300. 20ish punds isn’t a big deal, especially for someone his size.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
Top Heavyweight Bobby Lashley. Ummm..NO.
I understand the context of the article and what it is trying to accomplish. It is fun and interesting, but having that in the headline on the top mma site around just doesn’t work for me. As a protest I will not post anything for the next 10 seconds.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
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What is he? Like a DDD?
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Carwin and Lashley standing next to each other in these pics, Lashley is obviously the taller of the two, yet they are both supposed to be 6’3. That’s all, just thought that was strange.
Lashley is obviously the taller of the two
I wouldn’t say ‘obviously’ the angle of the photo and the more casual stance of Carwin to me suggest they’re pretty close to the same height, maybe identical.
Since we’re on the subject, if Gabe Gonzaga is 6’2" then I’m 7’2".
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by ufc4 on Jul 17, 2009 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Remember you have posted your picture on the internet.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
So seeing as how I’m NOT 7’2" what’s that tell you about Gonzaga?
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by ufc4 on Jul 17, 2009 2:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Its pretty obvious where this is going
and its a good thing. As MMA grows, the talent pool will only get deeper. It used to be that there were guys with more skills then others. Now the gap has closed a lot, especially as MMA becomes a style of its own. Size is the next step, with skills being equal (or close) the bigger guy will have an advantage. Once they max out size and have all giants, it will come down to athleticism, which Brock has plenty of. Look at Anderson Silvia, huge for his weight class and more athletic than anyone else at 185. Jon Jones, much more athletic than say Chuck (athletic meaning reflexes, coordination, quickness, probability that they could transition to another sport) and is considered a top prospect based on that alone.
It happened in the NBA
Started out as guys still figuring out how the game should be played
Once they knew that the tall guys had an advantage
Once it was only tall guys, the most athletic guys had the advantage
Now its only athletic guys.
Just wondering
Could Cain Velasquez cut to 205?
I’m sure he could but it would probably kill him.
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by ufc4 on Jul 17, 2009 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I've met Fedor. I'm 6'0 tall.
He sure seem 6’0 tall. And in photos he’s obviously shorter than I am.
Correction
He sure seem 6’0 tall.
Typo. He sure did not seem 6’0 tall.
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Fighting (HW) at 230 isnt fair… nice to see the move down to LHW working out for ya buddy.
Fedor
is a UFC LHW in reality…just another reason he’s so great.
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This kid has many triangle and RNC submissions. I’m not saying he would stand much of a chance against Carwin, Cain or Brock but he is tall. Look how small Dan Mirgliottianovichnich (sp?) looks next to him.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 17, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
SIZE DOESN"T MATTER!
I mean to a certain extent it does, but if martial arts have taught us anything, is that the smaller man can defeat the bigger man.
Yes. This is exactly why Hitomi Akano lost to Cyborg. It didn’t matter that Cyborg had a huge strength advantage and outweighed her opponent by nearly 20 lbs, with their natural weight difference being even greater than that. When Akano caught Cyborg in a triangle in the first round with optimal leverage, the reason Akano didn’t tear her arm off and Cyborg simply powered out of it was because Cyborg was just more skilled.
Imagine Fedor was motivated to cut weight for a change and fight Light-Heavy... can you say, unstoppable reign?
.. or i guess his opponents would catch up with his speed since theyd be lighter. interesting to think bout i guess
Yes, especially since he’s been having so much trouble with the heavyweight division.
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well lack of a challenge is a more realistic problem while he’s outside the ufc, and not to say it would be solved by this jump but im just presenting a realistic option in his position
by beersnbroads on Jul 19, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
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