UFC 100 Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: Brock Lesnar's One-Armed Full Nelson
Much of the discussion of Brock Lesnar's utter domination of Frank Mir at UFC 100 has focused on Lesnar's size and strength as if there was no technique involved in his performance.
I've got beg to differ here. Lesnar's years on the mat as a top flight competitor in amateur wrestling clearly paid dividends in the fight.
He also showed both strategic and tactical acumen in the fight. Strategic by restraining himself from bull-rushing Mir. More importantly, he kept the fight where he wanted it -- in Mir's half-guard.
Mike Goldberg pointed out during the fight that the only time one of Lesnar's takedowns landed him in Mir's full guard, he backed right up to his feet. Clearly Lesnar's camp emphasized staying out of Mir's full guard.
Tactically, Lesnar's control of Mir from inside his half-guard was a study in utter dominance. Of course Lesnar's huge mass, incredible strength and insanely long arms allowed him to do things many other competitors couldn't do, but his application of grappling technique made him an irresistible force.
As Luke Thomas told me when we were reviewing the fight:
Lesnar completely won the positional battle. Mir's head and hips are totally controlled. That's pretty damn dominant.
Head and hip control = BJJ 101. If you can block the ability of an opponent to move both their head and their hips, that's a wrap.
Lesnar used his mass and balance to pin Mir's hips to the floor, removing any possibility of Mir escaping out the side or improving position to gain full guard. With his arms, Lesnar controlled Mir's head: check and mate.
Join me in the full entry and we'll talk about the specifics of the hold Lesnar used to control sometimes one and sometimes both of Mir's arms while leaving the other arm free to batter Frank's face. I'm calling it a one-armed full nelson.
First, on the right we see Lesnar apply the hold. He's using his left hand to control Mir's left wrist. At various points he seems to be flirting with both a gift-wrap and a keylock or Americana. The gift wrap would entail Lesnar wrapping Mir's left arm around his own neck, then reaching his right arm under Mir's head and switching the hand that is controlling Mir's left wrist from his left to his right. From there Lesnar could have reared up and battered Mir's face with his left hand.
That would have involved some risks though. The main one being that Mir could have gotten his wrist free during the hand switch. Also from Mir's half-guard, Lesnar's ability to rear up for maximum leverage on his strikes is limited and Mir's right arm would have been left free to defend. I also believe that Brock prefers using his right hand to strike.
The Americana keylock would have required maintaining wrist control while getting his left elbow on the left side of Mir's head. From there Lesnar would have needed to thread his right arm between Mir's bicep and forearm and grabbed his own left wrist. This is called a figure four. I think Lesnar could probably have gotten the tap due to his enormous strength, but his leverage would have been limited by virtue of being in Mir's half-guard rather than being fully mounted.
Instead of trying either of those options, Lesnar releases Mir's wrist and snakes his left arm behind Mir's head and in front of Mir's left shoulder: Voila, what we see on the left is the One-armed Full Nelson. His prodigious reach allows Lesnar to wind his left arm all the way around to grasp Mir's left bicep. At this point Mir can attempt to block punches with his left hand, but only his forearm is free. As we can see, that's not enough to stop Lesnar's powerful right hand.
Note the time on the clock, 2:51 left in the first round. Lesnar would maintain the hold and continue the batter for the better part of the next two minutes. That is an eternity to be semi-helpless and absorbing punishment from an opponent as powerful as Lesnar.
In fact, as our next gif shows, at 1:10 Lesnar has, if anything gotten the hold even better established. Lesnar's huge left arm is forcing both of Mir's shoulders back, rendering Mir's arms useless and leaving Frank helpless to defend his face.
The battery Lesnar inflicted in the first made Mir that much easier to finish in the second. Lesnar didn't apply the one-armed Full Nelson again, but his tactics were very similar -- inside Mir's half-guard, controlling Mir with his hips and left arm, and using a powerful right hand to strike.
Now a little bit about the Nelson hold. It's believed to be named after British Admiral Nelson who was famous for surrounding his opponents at the Battle of the Nile and the Battle of Trafalgar.
Here's Wikipeida on the Nelson family of holds, this should make it clear why I chose to call Lesnar's hold a one-armed Full Nelson rather than a Half Nelson:
Half Nelson
The half nelson is done using only one hand, by passing it under the arm of the opponent and locking the hand at the opponent's neck. Half nelsons are commonly used in amateur wrestling. In addition, the hand not being used should be holding the opponent's other wrist in so that they can not post the hand or peel the half nelson off.
A power half nelson is a type of half nelson. The hand not performing the nelson is placed on the opponent's head to increase the overall power of the half nelson.
Full Nelson
The full nelson (sometimes called a double nelson) is done by performing half nelsons with both arms. In collegiate, high school, middle school/junior high school, and other forms of amateur wrestling, the move is illegal. The holder is on the back side of the opponent, and has his or her hands extended upwards under the opponents armpits, holding the neck with a palm-to-palm grip or with interlaced fingers. By cranking the hands forward, pressure can be applied to the neck of the opponent. The usage of the full nelson in combat sports is very limited. It is a secure hold which can be used to control the opponent, but does not allow for finishing action, such as pinning the opponent, executing a reliable submission hold, or allowing for effective striking.[2] Because it can be used as a limited neck crank, it is considered dangerous in some grappling arts, and is banned, for instance, in amateur wrestling.
UPDATE: BE reader Steve4192 points us to this very informative video by Stephan Kesting of GrappleArts that goes through several more of the techniques that Lesnar used to shut down Mir's half-guard in the fight.
Here's more from a GrappleArts piece Stephan wrote that breaks down the whole half-guard battle:
Let's first take a look at two strategies that form the foundation of most successful half guard attacks:
- Being on your side, facing your opponent, and
- Getting your body under his center of gravity
Now in the fight Frank Mir was basically never able to apply either strategy, and it wasn't only Brock's physical attributes that shut down Frank Mir's half guard game. There was a lot of deliberate technique there too!
Brock deliberately kept Frank on his back and/or facing away from him, and also didn't let him get under his center of gravity.
How did he do this? At various times in the fight Brock used the following techniques and tactics:
- He stiff armed his neck (keeping Frank away),
- He pinned the head and moved his body back
- He turned the head away with his forearm
- He secured the far underhook and applied chest pressure
- He used his head to grind into Frank's jaw, and drive into the chest and armpit
- He grabbed the far armpit to turn Frank's face away and place it directly in the line of fire
Finally, when Frank tried again to turn in at the very end of the fight, Brock let him turn, and secured the far wrist. The brutal flurry of unanswered blows that ended the fight came right after that.
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Great youtube vid on this very subject
by Steve4192 on Jul 16, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
That's a rec
That video is amazing. It’s an excellent accompaniment for explaining Brock’s technique to some of my less knowledgeable friends. Coupled with Nate’s excellent article, of course.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was
under the assumption that you weren’t allowed to do what Lesnar did with the hand basically choking Mir, am I wrong with this?
by proflex on Jul 16, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you can use it to control position
but not to cry to crush the windpipe and get the finish. Holding the neck is OK, crushing the windpipe is illegal.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 16, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was pretty sure
that I’ve heard refs warn over this particular move, I could be wrong, but I like you’re explanation of the hold.
by proflex on Jul 16, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s a semi-unclear rule, because I was thinking the same thing. It’s like the holding a hand/holding a glove thing.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though, Wanderlei Silva used it to hold Keith Jardine's head still when he finished that fight.
So there’s precendence that the rape choke is legal.
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by Llewdor on Jul 16, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
You can post up off of the neck, but you can’t dig your fingers in and squeeze.
by Steve4192 on Jul 16, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s just fucking scary. BJJ isn’t supposed to be neutralized that dominantly. Lesnar was never in trouble on the ground – Jesus Christ.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And it’s not like Frank is some white belt.
by jrobb20 on Jul 16, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His BJJ is in the discussion for best in the HW division. Fedor has great armbars, Nog is always dangerous, but after Gonzaga let Carwin stand back up… I just don’t see Brock getting submitted unless he fucks up/gets rocked.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m still riding the Fedor bandwagon if their fight ever goes down. We’ve seen Fedor do some amazing stuff from the bottom, and he’s also managed to explode from the bottom to regain his feet against some heavy guys. It’ll be interesting.
The huge problem is that Fedor’s transition speed for a heavyweight can’t be replicated to be coupled with his brute strength. There really isn’t anyone out there who replicates his speed of transitioning. It’ll be an epic fight if it happens.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 16, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Hong Man Choi knew how to use his weight, Fedor loses that fight. Brock knows how to use his weight.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hong Man used his weight perfectly. Fedor tried to take him down, and Hong leaned and got top control. The problem is that Hong Man Choi is the slowest man alive, not a high-caliber MMA fighter, and his slowness was disadvantageous. Fedor could see his massive hammerfist coming from a mile away, latch on, and transition to the armbar.
It wasn’t weight exactly, it was more like Choi is a novice.
Lesnar won’t be the same obviously. He knows positional control. The problem is that Fedor is unbelievably smart in avoiding those situations, and his transition speed is ridiculous for his weight.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 16, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HMC stuffed takedowns (and ate a pretty mean left hook before stuffing the second one). He knew nothing of striking on the ground, giving up the exact same Day 1 BJJ armbar twice. I feel like we’re betting on this fight if it ever happens, Leland.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You didn’t say anything about STRIKING on the ground. You said weight. Hong Man got top control.
If you want to talk striking. YES, Hong Man is terrible.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 16, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the odds are good, I will sell my truck and bet the money on Brock if this fight gets signed.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
You two seem anxious to bet, but at this point, I wouldn’t bet shit on that fight. I’d just sit back and let the endorphins and alcohol do their thing.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think my pre-comma preface there allows me to wiggle out of just about anything. It’s just that the more I think about it, I feel like Fedor is the underdog – that if Brock executes his gameplan, Fedor will have to get lucky/catch him with a big shot to even have a chance. Time (and Carwin) will tell, but I don’t think we’ve fully wrapped our heads around what Brock did on Saturday. This post is a good start.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
I’ll go ahead and presume that you’re picking Brock over your statesman, Mr. Carwin (or Valasquez for that matter, but let’s not get crazy here, that dude can’t beat either of them with those towel snaps he calls punches).
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…ouch. If you grant that Brock is the biggest and best wrestler in the division, then mad punching power is your best weapon and in that case Carwin has a better chance than Cain OR Fedor of beating Brock. But I just don’t see it happening.
Brock is five fights deep into his career.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I feel like something is missing....
Isn’t there usually a troll statement that pops up below you when you say things like that?
by soadtrails on Jul 16, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give it time.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love you guys.
Does that count?
by missmanners on Jul 16, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By that notion, are you suggesting that Shane Carwin would beat Fedor?
Like I said previously, Carwin does most of the things Lesnar does, but Lesnar does all of them just that much better. Add in that his BJJ is now being revealed to be light years ahead of what Carwin has exhibited, the age thing, and the fact that he’s seen later rounds and had his tank tested… I think Carwin can be seen as a threat because he hits so fucking hard, but that will get him about a 10-15% probability of success in my book, based on potentially flashing a KO on Brock.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call anything Brock did against Frank
BJJ, its all wrestling techniques that have been modified for the mma rule set.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 16, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lack of submission attempts doesn’t change the fact that he was deliberately operating from the half guard. Additionally, he nullified any attempts at submissions (=BJJ defense) and Comprido continually raves of his progress in the gym.
And I don’t recall saying what he did that elicited that suggestion.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1/2 guard is a wrestling position too
called the saddle or straddle I think. Many wrestlers in MMA feel very at home in the 1/2 guard because of their familiarity with it.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 16, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, sure, it’s not as though such a position doesn’t exist in wrestling. You can call it an assumption, but he was in half guard to defend Mir’s BJJ from that position.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I’d bet on Lesnar because he might get underdogged a bit on the hype. Fedor is my heart pick, so it’d be ridiculous for me to bet it.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if he knew how to use his weight ON THE GROUND, he’d have been able to hit Fedor without falling into the exact same submission twice. A big part of striking on the ground is not giving up enough hip space for dude to escape, and I think it’s safe to say that Brock is pretty damn good at that.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if the other guy kissed him, Brock would freak out and momentarily forget sub defense. Or, more likely, go into a homophobic rage and kill the other guy. Still has better odds than a straightforward submission…
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by themachiavellian on Jul 16, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring in “KISS” Nakao for a litmus test to this theory.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 16, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean like Heath Herring already did?
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget that Lesnar shrugged this off

Its amazing that Mir pulled off a Faber flying knee — incredible agility from a heavyweight and yet Lesnar just shrugged it off like nothing.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 16, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty impressive, maybe the only Mir highlight
by missmanners on Jul 16, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quality gif for people suggesting that Lesnar’s chin hasn’t been tested.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cant cite the flying knee as evidence of his chin. I’ve taken a few knees to the face. You gotta land with the point of the knee, not the top or side of the thigh. It just moved his head back violently…if it was good hit he wouldve at least got a bloody nose. I dont care who he is, knee to the face makes you bleed.
Or maybe I just hate Lesnar and am totally biased…..
by Headkick on Jul 16, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lesnar said he say “tweety birds” briefly after that knee. Not exactly quantifiable data, but interesting.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 16, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude “Tweety birds” are always quantifiable. How many did he see 5 or 6.
by The_Vig on Jul 16, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
HAHA
Awesome. rec’d
That was a real kick and good for laughs and lashings of the old ultraviolent.
by mistake4 on Jul 16, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Click actions > Click Rec
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by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
More people need to do “click actions > click flag > choose category > type out reason”
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by iiowyn on Jul 17, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, the hating Lesnar thing is a pretty good explanation. Can’t really pick apart that knee. Landed flush, thrown by a heavyweight. I don’t suppose you want him to get tied to a chair and let Carwin square up on him to test his chin..
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i woud enjoy that but carwin may not need the handicap. we shall see….
Despite disliking Brock I do respect him for leaving behind the WWE money to pursue other interests and i hate to admit it, but that post fight speech was awesome.
by Headkick on Jul 16, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s pretty interesting. Most people that hate Lesnar use that speech to fuel their torches.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People are going to use Brock as their new excuse to hate the UFC. To those that don’t, like, loathe the organization that has brought the sport to where it is, that speech was fucking hilarious.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was undeniably funny. I like funny.
I pray for a Bud Light commercial featuring Brock in a bar just smashing everyone over the head w/ Bud Light bottles tossing people thru windows
by Headkick on Jul 16, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many knees to the face have you taken from Frank Mir?
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by ufc4 on Jul 16, 2009 6:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It’s
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Monty Python's Flying Circus!
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by themachiavellian on Jul 16, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reverse Half Nelson
I noticed this too during the fight. I think a reverse half nelson is a better way to describe this hold. It’s like how a brabo is the reverse of a d’arce and vice versa. Even though Brock’s one arm is probably stronger than 2 or mine I can’t call a one arm hold a full nelson, which by definition is a two arm hold. I guess we could call it the Lesnar. Any wrasslers got a name for it? or do wrestlers just call it a half-nelson?
by grapplex on Jul 16, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same as you when I first read the name. Reverse Half Nelson seems appropriate.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock is legit. Circus antics aside if he can control people on the ground like this then its a wrap. He should be able to take down any body if he chooses. you may stuff 1 or 2 but keeping him from taking you down with his speed mass and power is damn near impossible. Then if he works as thought out as he did against Frank bad news. I dont expect him to use the same thing every time one he will be better next time and two people will be looking for it. although knowing its coming and stopping it is two different things.
by pitbull187 on Jul 16, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
watching Brock evolve from fight to fight
reminds me of the scene from Jaws where realize the shark is getting smarter everytime they tangle with it and go “He’s learning.” Absolutely terrifying.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 16, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or the raptors in Jurassic Park testing the fences – ‘they never make the same mistake twice… They remember.’
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That shit never made sense to me.
Wouldn’t you remember 50,000 watts going through your body? I sure as fuck would.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 16, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They presumably hadn’t realized that every part of the fence was connected to the power source, and therefore all electric.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 16, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
did you are subo come to an agreement about the betting? i like how you said you would throw down a G, and then he kinda backed off…i would love to see that fight, and knowing that you guys had a G on it would be interesting… keep antagonizing him! maybe he’ll bet. via paypal?
by bluejitz on Jul 16, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the odds are good, I will sell my truck and bet the money on Brock if this fight gets signed.
That’s me backing off? I tend to bet on fights that have been signed, and not months in advance.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought that was before the G-note comment. ok well fair enough, dont write anything in stone yet, but if this fight does become a reality, im gonna hold you to that! ive offered so many people on mmajunkie.com forums to bet after they’ve run their mouth and they dont. (not saying you run your mouth) but id just like to see this become a real wager, but more importantly i want this fight to happen!
by bluejitz on Jul 16, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want the fight to happen, too, but keep the preface in mind there – I bet lines, not who I want to win.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough.
if you had to call it, what would you imagine the line would be like. Ive only ever made money beating on DREAM fights. UFC fights i always lose.
by bluejitz on Jul 16, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It depends on where you go. On MMAPlayground, Lesnar was -105 because hardcores hate him so much so if that trend holds then he should be a severe dog against Fedor. Or the casuals will come out in force and make Fedor the right play. Again, fight’s gotta get signed first.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya.
i have no choice but to go with offshore betting, none of the other major betting sites let me sign an account with them because im canadian…unless they’ve changed the rules. where do u usually play
by bluejitz on Jul 16, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cue the flood of ‘BetUS’ recommendations.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck BetUS.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 16, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh...
They are horrible.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured that would get a reaction. Who do you use?
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
betcris.com
so far have only had good experiences with them. got my first check in the mail from them for $600. it was a pain in the ass getting an account with them though
by bluejitz on Jul 19, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After last weekend Lesnar won’t have a fight in the next 5 years in which he is “a severe dog”.
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by ufc4 on Jul 16, 2009 8:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It depends. The fight is probably NOT going to happen at this point.
But it depends on the lines as well. To be perfectly honest, Lesnar is probably my pick, so subo is probably betting Lesnar as well. But that could change. I may do it just for the sake of losing a grand to subo… wait, why would I do that?
We’ll see. I’m a Fedor fanboy, so it may happen.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 17, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frank was the goat.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jaws died, Nate.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 16, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sure if
someone manages to stuff a bunch of oxygen tanks down Brock’s huge open mouth and somehow ignite them that he too can be beaten.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 16, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
just slap a coors logo on the side and he will do it for you
by pitbull187 on Jul 16, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
… or a picture of Sable.
He might not swallow it, but he damn sure will be getting on top of it.
by Steve4192 on Jul 16, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when i saw Sable i kept waiting for Brock to proclaim:
“Do you think anybody thinks I’m a failure because I go home to Starla at night? Forget about it?”
by Headkick on Jul 16, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s right, Nate. That’s right.
He is beatable via oxygen tank explosions or giant boats with huge wooden spears on them. I even once defeated Jaws in my old Nintendo game with a small submarine with tiny torpedos.
We can all rest easy.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 16, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mir’s face and Quint’s, post blood spew, were not entirely dissimilar
by missmanners on Jul 16, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got an old VHS tape of training footage from around 1997 that Full Contact fighter put out. In it, Rico Chiapperelli is coaching Mark Kerr before his UFC 15 performances. Rico is drilling Kerr on the very type of one-arm full nelson/reverse nelson hold that Nate is breaking down here. A very good technique for strong wrestlers in half guard.
What I also liked about Lesnar was his patience in using this move. When Mir got his left arm free a bit, Lesnar would stop punching with his right arm momentarily, and go 2 on 1 with Mir’s now free left arm, and would push it back up so he could fully snake Mir’s left bicep, and regain that control. Once Lesnar regained full control with the 2 on 1, he’d resume smashing Mir in the face with shots that were getting in their pretty much unobstructed.
by Hardcharger on Jul 16, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Steven Kesting's voice and presentation style
He reminds me of like the Mr Rodgers or Bob Ross of grappling
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by Paynuss on Jul 16, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I've watched that first round
a couple times just to see that initial wrist control and full nelson positioning. At first blush it seemed very instinctual and maybe a tad indecisive, rather than planned. Reviewing it here it is seems Lesnar employed more knowledge and forethought into this maneuver than I gave him credit for.
by rzor on Jul 16, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
everything he did was planned or practiced
Lesnar has decades of experience as a wrestler, that’s a very real mastery of technique that must be respected.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 16, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Couture is AMAZING!
The more I watch Lesnar’s dominance over Mir the more I realize how amazing Randy Couture is. Couture was able to smother Lesnar against the fence and get up from the ground once Lesnar took him down. Randy Couture is much older than MIr!!! Couture really is a fucking Super Hero.
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by Warhand on Jul 16, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Seriously
A lot of people are overlooking this point, but I brought it up during the bonfire we had after the show. People were saying Couture lost because he’s old, but he’s had the best performance against Lesnar since his non-performance against Mir. He’s #3 on my international threat to Lesnar list, behind Fedor and Carwin. If he beats Nog and Carwin beats Cain, it’ll be interesting to see what the UFC decides to do.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But mythbuster told me Randy looked like shit in that fight and Brock is being protected and we need a whole new weight class!
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Superman class
It’s time for Shaq Fu, clearly.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 17, 2009 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy is good
but his pinning Lesnar against the cage doesn’t mean that he was smothering him. It could be equally true that Lesnar was planning on making Randy waste much of his energy by leaning into him, forcing Randy to exert more energy to keep Lesnar in that position. However I have to agree with the fact that Randy did get out of Lesnars top position rather well.
by proflex on Jul 16, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So glad you realize this
I was amazed when I watched that fight, Couture impressed the hell out of me. His performance, combined with how fast Brock seemed to be tiring, always makes me wonder how it would have ended if not for that one punch.
Granted, any time Brock got shots off, you could tell they REALLY hurt Randy, still, I wouldn’t mind a rematch.
by Shaun32887 on Jul 16, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean that one punch then the fifty that followed right? Randy was holding his own but I really don’t see any way Couture wins a rematch- he isn’t gonna be able to KO that beast and if he gets him on the ground how will he keep him there?
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by ufc4 on Jul 16, 2009 9:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, it’s pretty obvious that the one punch knocked him off balance allowing the other fifty to rain down. Other than that one, Randy was able to shake off the hits and move it back to the clinch against the cage. If I remember correctly, he was controlling Brock enough to almost get a take down in the second round. Considering the fact that rock outweighted him by around fifty pounds, I’d say that’s pretty significant. Also, he didn’t need to take Gonzaga down to beat him, Randy’s perfectly fine working the dirty boxing in the clinch.
Do I think Randy can finish him? Doubtful. Might be able to decision him though, 48-47
by Shaun32887 on Jul 17, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Gonzaga isn’t Lesnar, and that was two years ago. Like I said, he was holding his own, but I just don’t see any way Randy beats a guy that much bigger, stronger, and more athletic than him.
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by ufc4 on Jul 17, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially if Brock works on his clinch game, it seems to me that some elbows from him there would be nasty as hell.
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by iiowyn on Jul 17, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got to watch the fight
again last night on spike, Randy got rocked before he took the right hand behind the ear, Brocks inexperience prevented him from stopping Randy early, in turn, Randy knew that he was rocked and pinned Lesnar to the cage to recover. As for the take down Lesnar I think lost his balance when he was on top of Randy, and again, Randy’s experience gave him the opprotunity to grab Lesnars feet and pull them out from under him, but Brock was on his ass for an all of 2 seconds before standing back up. I don’t think a rematch is going to go any different then the first fight, but if Randy does win, then I think you’re right, he’ll more then likely take him to a decision. That is unless we really see what Brocks chin is made of, but I’m pretty sure we’ve already seen that.
by proflex on Jul 17, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best Judo Chop ever…at least until you analyze the cage vault superman punch. No really, great breakdown and great use of the gifs….
And to all the Lesnar bandwagon guys….someone will punch him in the face one day, you may wanna wait and see how he reacts before you say he’ll beat Fedor. You’ll be pretty embarrassed if Kongo takes him out….
by Headkick on Jul 16, 2009 5:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mir punched and knee’d him in the face (following 4 strikes that Lesnar avoided), Randy hit him several times. His chin has passed at least the 5th grade level.
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by iiowyn on Jul 16, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
He’s not Mr. Iron Jaw at this point, but he has definitely got a top-level chin.
Every fight he’s been in after Mir I has seen him get hit hard multiple times. Herring got a few good knees in during a clinch, Randy was laying out some good combos and getting the better of Brock in the overall striking game and Mir hit him HARD with some great knees, as well as a handful of punches, and Brock never lost composure. He saw tweetybirds, yes, but he never lost his composure.
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by misterjonez on Jul 17, 2009 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he could have a great chin, we just dont know…well, I dont at least.
He really really makes me wish Crocop was still Crocop.
by Headkick on Jul 16, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont like lesnar either, and i love the old crocop, but dont you think stylistically hes taylor made to lose to a guy like lesnar? HUGE HW, unstoppable takedowns, and wicked ground and pound? i would hate to see crocop fight him, as a crocop fan.
by bluejitz on Jul 16, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Phil Ivey made the final table at the Main Event. Now I have to buy it. Damnit.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buy what?
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The final table
They have it live in like November instead of having it and then trying to keep the results under wraps until they air it two months later. It’s on PPV and I haven’t bought it yet (I think they’ve done it for two years now), but Phil Ivey, man.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t realize they do that now. I usually catch it on ESPN, but always thought it was bogus that it isn’t live.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
only downside
to live poker is they won’t show the hole cards, and the commentating would be even more boring then it already is, especially when they have no idea what cards the player has. Also, I think it’s illegal to show hole cards on a live event, or at least against tourny’s rules.
by proflex on Jul 16, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be a hard thing to televise live.
1, there are concerns about showing the hole cards live, because a player can have a friend watch the tv show, and then send the player updates on what’s going on. Obviously, rules against phone use would prevent this from being useful after, so you can know if you were bluffed, or exactly what someone had when they did something crazy.
the other thing is the time issue. You can pretty much estimate how long a baseball game, football game, round of golf will take, and plan accordingly. For comparison’s sake, the final table of the WSOP-Europe Main Event last summer took 22 hours. It was broadcast live online, but it would be next to impossible to get something like that on tv.
by Phildo on Jul 16, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it’s not impossible, they have done it before. I believe it was the year either Jerry yang or Jamey gold won it.
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by ufc4 on Jul 16, 2009 10:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
They did it on PPV, but they might not do it again.
There is no plausible way to put that on real tv. PPV might even be difficult, it’s going to take 8 hours minimum, and it has the possibility to be way longer. I’m just referring here for the fact that it stinks that it’s not on espn live.
Maybe when they really get up to the ocho they can air the end of a poker tournament live, or maybe if they moved everything up a few weeks and had it end the day after the MLB all star game (worst sports day, ever) but as it stands now, it would be incredibly difficult to air it live on regular tv, at all, and it would be very, very difficult to make it a profitable venture for espn or harrah’s.
by Phildo on Jul 16, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah, the PPV model is really the only way they could feasably do it. While it would be awesome to have it on ESPN it just wouldn’t work. But I have read that they are holding it over 4 days I believe (Nov. 7-10) so I’m not sure if they could even do it on PPV.
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by ufc4 on Jul 16, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What they did last year was play from 9-2 one day. Come back the next day for heads up, then air the show on tv on the 3rd (with less than 24 hours to make the part of the show that covered the heads up.)
I forget what day the shows were on, but if the show aired monday, they played on saturday and sunday. I’m not sure what they’re doing this year, but 4 days seems like a long time to go from 9-1. Maybe It will air the 10th and they’re giving a little more time for rest in between getting down to 2 and finishing the heads up match, I remember some whining about that last year.
by Phildo on Jul 17, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like they are playing down from 9 to 2 on the 7th and then heads up on the 10th, not sure whats going on the 2 days in between.
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by ufc4 on Jul 17, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was watching
poker yesterday, and Phil Gordon was talking about a final table that he was commentating at and the thing went 17 hours, it would be hard to put up that much air time for a game that might last 20 minutes or 17 hours.
by proflex on Jul 17, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if they’re doing it this year. They didn’t do it last year, but they did have a feed that was 2 guys doing commentary with some tic-tac-toe type graphic on the screen that listed position, chip counts, bets, and etc. Maybe they’ll do the PPV because of Ivey this year, but I’m not sure if that was the plan.
I believe that thing was free, but I might have just found a way to not pay for it, I forget.
by Phildo on Jul 16, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bought it a couple years ago , it was pretty cool other than the fact it’s kind of hard to stay interested after 10 or 12 straight hours of poker.
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by ufc4 on Jul 16, 2009 9:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It’s been so long since I’ve followed poker – any other notable names there?
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by themachiavellian on Jul 16, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Shulman (editor of CardPlayer magazine) made it too! Esfandiari went out in the final 30. Fuck yes.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Esfandiari is the douchebag magician, right? I remember Phil Hellmuth, of all people, telling him to act with class.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 16, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he used to be a real ass, but something about being loaded calms (most) people down.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Scotty Nguyen, baby.
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by ufc4 on Jul 16, 2009 10:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
You call and it’s all over, baby.
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by Mike Fagan on Jul 16, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the dumbass still called…Nguyen obviously wasn’t faking that certainty of victory.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 17, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He called while playing the board. Dude. Is a chopped pot worth that much?
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You probably already know this..
..but I worked a Helmuth signing in 2004 and that guy was a douche la bouche.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saw the list this morning on ESPN
And I don’t know much about poker, but I know the names, and I think he’s alone with a bunch of bozos.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t poop rainbows anymore?
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by themachiavellian on Jul 16, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But of coz
Newbies will have no idea, but you already know.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shulman can fucking play.
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Ivey will be working off of a short stack. Joy!
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad Rounders doesn’t get a piece of the action. It’s box office was so so, but it did a lot for the sport over the course of rental and tv airings.
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by missmanners on Jul 16, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My ex girlfriend made me watch that shitty Eric Bana poker movie like two years ago. That was painful.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had high hopes for Bana after Munich (Which was severely underseen by audiences). Alas.
Howver, that was an awful movie. I don’t know why Drew Barrymore gets work. She is one of the least talented members in her acting family
by missmanners on Jul 16, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, too, loved Munich. Some of the best sound design in any film I’ve ever seen (errr… heard). Bana hasn’t done much of late.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 17, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s Spielberg’s best mature film – not as sappy as Schindler’s List or naively gung-ho as Saving Private Ryan. It was thoughtful, intelligent, and showed how murky violence really is.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 17, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Mr. Lesnar profile pic and Phil Ivey poker talk, I knew i liked you. That finally explains the tingling sensation in my trousers.
by ronniebonnie on Jul 16, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It won’t last. And that tingling is syphillis, might wanna see a doctor.
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by ufc4 on Jul 16, 2009 10:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Lesnar...
is like some sort of Godless killing machine. Jesus Christ!
If Lesnar gets some more momentum then Fedor vs. Lesnar would easily be the biggest fight in the history of MMA.
It’d be Ivan Drago vs. Rocky Balboa, only Lesnar would be the evil, truly monstrous American to Fedor the scrappy, wiley, slightly undersized everyman Russian with an unstoppable heart.
by Chromium on Jul 16, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Godless?
How soon they forget “God bless God”
by Steve4192 on Jul 16, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my pick to bear Lesnar

I dislike Matt Hughes and Twidder.
by MonkeyCHops on Jul 16, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
-r +t
I dislike Matt Hughes and Twidder.
by MonkeyCHops on Jul 16, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No chance, unless that shark has laser eyes.
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by ufc4 on Jul 16, 2009 10:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I think we all know the only one with any chance to beat Brock is...
Goro!

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by ufc4 on Jul 16, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Norman chad must of gone crazy when Ivey made the final table he loves that guy.
by TLAoutlaw on Jul 16, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cage Superman Punch
When is the Judo Chop Superman Punch off of the cage analysis coming?
by jgersh on Jul 16, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
okay here it is..
lift your foot up.. stick it to the cage, push off then punch your sexy opponent… DONE!
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 16, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that sounds
about right, especially the sexy part.
by proflex on Jul 16, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I’m doing one on Jon Jones’ spinning elbow to set up the D’arce choke and Luke has promised to work on one about GSP’s takedowns. I might do a superman punch round up and include the off the cage one. but not for a while
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by Kid Nate on Jul 16, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is one of my favorite Judo Chops ever...
i don’t know why, but maybe it has something to do with people saying “Brock is big and strong.. That is all”..
I loved how he totally controlled and neutralized mir’s guard.. much much different from what he did the first time around..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 16, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks
I found it very educational to do it. Also the grappling arts feature is just great.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 16, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I'd gotten in on this post
earlier when there was more discussion. But most of the points have been made without me, which is awesome in itself. Much better overall grasp of wrestling technique on this site compared to six months ago. Keep up the good work.
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by misterjonez on Jul 17, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was truly impressive, Brock made a believer out of my after this fight he really is a freak in every sense of the word and he’s getting better that is scary.
by Raker on Jul 17, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And while we're on the subject of Nelsons
we should remember the battery Rampage used to dish out with quarter Nelson’s combined with knees to the face of a standing opponent. That maneuver is likely only effective if you’ve got otherworldly grip strength, like Rampage or Brock, but the moral of the story is that shoulder and neck control are absolutely game-changing, and basic wrestling teaches all the techniques for achieving this control.
It really is no wonder that wrestlers have grafted so easily into MMA. As was said above, guys like Lesnar have been doing this for decades.
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by misterjonez on Jul 17, 2009 2:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish Rampage would start using his wrestling again
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by Kid Nate on Jul 17, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same, I love me some slams.
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by iiowyn on Jul 17, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt.
I seriously scream at the TV now when he fights because I know he’s just headhunting. I think going on that Sports Science show was a bad thing for him, because he basically learned that nobody in the world hits harder than he does, so it seems to follow that he just wants to take people’s heads off with his striking.
People need to force guys like Rampage and Chuck to watch fights like Evans/Salmon to demonstrate how much more deadly powerful striking becomes when it’s combined with a serious threat of a takedown.
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by misterjonez on Jul 17, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, BJJ geeks....
“Head and hip control = BJJ 101. If you can block the ability of an opponent to move both their head and their hips, that’s a wrap.”
Ok..hold on. Yes, This is a true statement, but let’s remember that Brock Lesnar is like a NOTHING BELT in BJJ. Why does everyone disrespect wrestling? Let me make this revision:
“Head and hip control = WRESTLING 101.”
I’m pretty sure this is where Brock was coming from, given his extensive wrestling background. As a former wrestler myself, I get tired of everything on the ground getting chalked up to BJJ. Let’s not forget where GnP came from, gentlemen…..
by P4P is a stupid concept on Jul 17, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
and I don’t think that was where Luke is coming from with that, Luke just trains BJJ so he puts things into a BJJ frame of reference. Lesnar is coming from wrestling so he would obviously put things into a wrestling frame.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 17, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
BJJ and Wrestling are so incredibly different in their perspectives that it can sound like you’re having a conversation in Greek if you don’t know where the other person’s coming from.
Classic example: Guida/Griffin. All the wrestlers in the room are cheering their heads off, while the BJJ players are shaking their heads in disgust. Great wrestling scrambles are NOT the same as sloppy BJJ transitions, and the reverse also holds. Wrestling is very methodical, BJJ is much more fluid. If a wrestler lands in a position he doesn’t like, he’ll go back to the feet and try again. If a BJJ player lands in a position he doesn’t like, he’ll more likely try to immediately transition to a more favorable position from where he is at that moment.
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by misterjonez on Jul 17, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this right here
Great wrestling scrambles are NOT the same as sloppy BJJ transitions
great observation. Personally, as a fan it seems like MMA bouts between two wrestlers are better than bouts between two jiu jitsu or two judo guys.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 18, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Brock’s actually a purple belt by now. He did start a few years ago and is trained by Comprido.
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by subo on Jul 17, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Brock trains with a gi.
No gi = no belt.
He might be at purple-belt level, but he doesn’t actually have a belt.
by Steve4192 on Jul 17, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They make gis big enough
for gorillas/bears?
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
by misterjonez on Jul 17, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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