MMA vs. Boxing
So i was watching PTI on ESPN and their 5 good minutes segment was on the UFC and they brought up what if a fighter dies in the octagon. Jay Glazer touched a little on why mma isn't that dangerous so i thought i would just add to that.
Minus the deaths, boxing is still more dangerous than MMA. There are several reasons to this.
First, is the gloves. MMA gloves are smaller than boxing gloves. Henceforth, if you take a clear shot to the face from an MMA glove, chances are likely that you will go down. In order to go down from a boxing glove, you would have to take a far heavier hit to apply to same amount of newtons to scramble the brain. This means one simple, and very important fact. In Boxing, you get concussions. Lots of them. Win or lose, you will take multiple minor concussions to the head. In UFC, you may only take three or four minor concussions (If you have a tough chin), or one major one. In Boxing, you'll survive dozens of minor concussions, which will eventually add up to be far more severe than one major concussion. To make matters worse, Boxers fight longer. The minor concussion number for a boxer FAR exceeds that of MMA. Major concussions may be the same, but since they're far rarer, its the minor concussions that add up.
As odd as it sounds, the less gloves you have, the safer you will be. UFC gloves are designed primarily so the fighters don't break their hand. If you go bare knuckles, several things arise. First, you can't punch as hard (Boxers can put far more force behind a punch without fear of breaking their hand than UFC fighters. Look at Urijah Faber v Brown. This never happens in boxing). Second, is that the less padding you have on your hands, the more on-point damage you'll cause. Meaning, your face will break before your brain does, with a closed fist punch.
Second thing is that there will always be a game plan. In Boxing, you have two options. Slug it out and take hits to your head. Or cover up, and take hits to your gut. And then hits to the head. In MMA, you have the option of going to the ground. You have the option to bring it to the cage. In other words, so long as your skill set is good, you will never be forced to stand up and take hits. The truth is that I would far rather take a broken arm or leg over 12 rounds worth of concussions. Boxing is asking for brain damage. Sure, your body will take far more wear and tear in UFC. But think of it this way, if you play it safe, you can tap out before your arm breaks.
Knowing when your brain cannot take another jab is a different story.
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I agree that the larger gloves allow you to take more punishment before succumbing to a knockout, increasing the risk for damage. However, there is one point that you didn’t bring up in which I think MMA is more dangerous, and that is blows after knockout. You could see it with the Henderson flying punch last weekend and I’ve seen it many times before, a lot of times extra blows are landed after an opponent is clearly knocked out that just wouldn’t happen in boxing. Now you could argue that the 10 count in boxing actually allows boxers to take more damage since they get a little time to recover from major blows, but I’ve heard that the extra hits after a knockout are what cause the most brain trauma.
Not saying that isn’t true, but it is microscopic compared to the knockdowns and counts then continuing the fight in boxing, which is far more damaging, imo.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 15, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Boxers can get knocked out upwards of seven or eight times in a full-length match. It’s one thing to recover from getting TKO’d or knocked out, but some of these guys have to get right back up in less than 10 seconds to fight. Typically, if a guy goes down once it’s likely that he’ll go down again in that fight. That makes it more difficult for your brain to heal.
Not that MMA is particularly good for the health of your central nervous system, but it’s rare that you see a guy get dropped more than three or four times. And when that happens it’s usually a guy of tremendous physical condition. Most of the time when somebody flashes out for a split second in MMA, the other guy pounces and brings the fight to an end.
More dangerous for the brain: Boxing
More dangerous for load bearing joints: MMA
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I think I’d rather take my chances with my load bearing joints. Doctors can fix those a lot easier than a brain.
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by ufc4 on Jul 15, 2009 11:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think I’d rather take my chances with my load bearing joints. Doctors can fix those a lot easier than a brain.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 15, 2009 11:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Can doctors fix double posts?
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by SSreporters on Jul 15, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
We've been through this a million times...
I hope that people who want to truly educate themselves already know all of this. All of these reasons have been pushed to death to people against MMA, and yet they ignore it.
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Who is doing the pushing? What studies have been done and what specific conclusions have they drawn? I think many are too quick to jump to the defense of MMA without knowing all the potential risks.
There are plenty of studies out there. I’m a bit lazy to find them right now, but I’ve read a couple. I know Marc Ratner and company push statistics at state commissions thinking about legalizing MMA, so I know they exist.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 16, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, if you do stumble on any studies supporting the claim that MMA is safer than boxing please post the relevant parts coz Id be interested to read them. I havent found many studies that are conclusive either way. Even the John Hopkins study that Dana refers to as supporting MMA is very inconclusive. Their sample size of 171 MMA fights measures the KO rate at about 6.4% in MMA and says the following:
“The "tap out" is the second most common means of ending a MMA competition. This unique characteristic, combined with more options of attack when competing, is thought to help explain a knockout proportion in MMA competitions that is almost half of the reported 11.3% of professional boxing matches in Nevada (Bledsoe et al., 2005).”
The overall injury rate in MMA competitions is now similar to other combat sports, including boxing. Knockout rates are lower in MMA competitions than in boxing. This suggests a reduced risk of TBI in MMA competitions when compared to other events involving striking.
If you measure the KO rate of the most recent 1000 UFC, UFN and WEC fights, the KO rate is up at about 10.5% so the suggested reduced rate of TBI in MMA according to the study is perhaps based on unreliable data.
Id be glad to learn that MMA is safer than boxing, but until I see some meaningful studies, I have to assume that they pose pretty similar risks.
"People against MMA"
The Bob Reilley’s and Boxing big wigs are doing the pushing. A large segment of doctors, and other sports pundits, have been able to take a mostly objective look at the topic. There hasn’t really been any substantial factual evidence to dispute this article that has come along yet. What there has been is alot of Boxing people saying (something to the effect of) “look at the small gloves, it’s so dangerous”.
Nobody here is overlooking anything, we all realize that these dudes get punched in the face for a living. All I can say is that when someobdy attacks my favorite sport with non-factual arguments — that appeal to stupid people who buy into whatever sounds like it might make sense, but are too lazy to do research before condeming something — I, like most of you, will counter with an argument of my own.
You have way more than two options in boxing
It’s not just “cover high” and “cover low,” you could always actually Box your opponent! That is to say, circle around, change your footwork, move your head. It’s a science, and a sweet one at that.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 15, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this.
Although I do feel you take a lot more damage to your brain in boxing, you can’t ignore fighters like Mayweather Jr. being able to take very little damage, and outbox fighters with technique… Guys that just take ridiculous damage aren’t the only ones that exist… For example, a good jab in boxing is like having a good shot, or leg kick in MMA (teep kicks, and actual jabs in MMA are underused). It makes the other fighter think twice about comin in reckless, or with big power strikes… thus taking less damage, and allowing the fighter time to circle, and use his footwork….
Not to mention head movement, shoulder rolls, weaving, etc….
And I don’t know shit outside of being a casual fan of boxing…
Who would you rtather fight...
Lesnar or a Klitschko?
lol.
everything is subjective, and depending on your experiences with MMA, as opposed to boxing, I can understand that viewpoint, even though mine differs.
That doesn’t even matter. That’s not what’s being argued at all. Lesnar might crush your skull and kill you I suppose. But over prolonged amounts of fights… boxers have it WAY worse. The head trauma they receive fight after fight adds up to bleeds in their brain, brain damage, etc. MMA, one of those huge punches would likely KO you, and that’d be it. Maybe a couple of punches after the fact, but it’s way less bashing of the skull over time.
Unless of course, you fight Nick Diaz 20+ times.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 16, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
True, but.........
Although I agree MMA is less dangerous, you fail on a couple of points:
1. It is wrong to say you don’t hear of breaking hands in boxing. That happens a lot. In fact, the recently deceased Arturo Gatti fought his last fight with Micky Ward with a broken hand.
2. Boxing is much more than the “2 options” you list. Footwork, pacing, head movement, handspeed, fighter style and other intangibles all play into fight strategy. It’s not just about slugging it out and hitting shots. Watch fights like Ortiz-Maidana or even Moseley-Maragarito to see how strategies can affect fight outcomes.
MMA is safer, but your analogies to boxing fail to make a good point.
Broken hands are extremely common in boxing...
like..VERY common
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 16, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably more so that MMA, because you’re only offensive option is punching. Unless you’re a cheater.
by Albertrayon on Jul 16, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Boxing vs. MMA
Which is more dangerous? Well I think that all depends on your perspective, and we will never really know. Look at Nascar and the people who died in that crazy shit. No one gave a fuck!
Does it really matter? Both MMA and boxing are dangerous. Participating in combat sports involves a certain degree of risk. At the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter which one is more dangerous.
it absolutely matters. Not so much to you or me, but when our society widely accepts boxing as a great, respectable sport and rejects MMA as underground and unsafe, it needs`to be stated repeatedly.
We can’t get MMA legalized in NY, which is basically a Mecca for boxing. They say it is barbaric and dangerous, yet consider boxing to be above all that. This is the problem with perception and we need to let people know the truth.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 16, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
MMA's status in New York has little to do with public perceptions of safety
and much more to do with the politics of unions & casinos.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
Yes, but if the safety myth is completely debunked, the politicians who are doing the bidding of the unions and casinos will not be able to hide behind that any more.
It’s really about the politics, but they say it’s about the violence. If that argument can’t be made, the politicians will be forced to find a different tactic

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