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UFC 100 provided the mainstream media and other writers with a lot of fuel to bash the sport we so dearly enjoy every weekend. Specifically, Brock Lesnar's post-fight antics have garnered interest in a negative way from many sports outlets that simply don't understand the sport. I'm also inclined to believe their business doesn't understand that MMA is going to continue to grow, and those outlets aren't appealing to more readers by bashing it.

Mainstream media (MSM) is missing out on a golden opportunity to capitalize off the popularity of the UFC at this stage in MMA's growth. Most outlets are deeming this event as the "top end" of the buzz surrounding MMA, and some are calling for a slow decline in the popularity because UFC 100 was the absolute climax of what the promotion could put together in terms of fights on later cards. I completely disagree with that concept, and I think it's ignorant that even mainstream media writers truly believe that's going to happen.

Here's the facts. UFC 100 was quite possibly the best event of this year in terms of matches, but I wasn't overly impressed with the event. I'm a hardcore MMA fan, and that makes my insight into the actual matches more in the view of a MMA purist rather than a fan who just wants to see fights.

Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir was the bout within the Heavyweight division that had to happen, and it was a must-have fight on this card. St. Pierre vs. Alves received a lot of hype in the preceding week, but I figured that GSP's take downs would easily snuff Alves' chances and that's just what happened. Jon Fitch vs. Paulo Thiago went as expected, and Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Alan Belcher was as tough as I expected it, although it was more of a disappointment in not seeing Akiyama try to use his judo techniques against a larger Belcher. That was probably more wishful thinking than an actual accurate depiction of what I thought would happen.

Even the Henderson vs. Bisping bout was a bit more uneventful than I had hoped. Most fans expected either a boxing clinic by Bisping coupled with quick footwork, or a Henderson knockout, but the preceding action wasn't at all that exciting in terms of skill. Bisping circled and kept away, but rarely tagged Henderson with anything significant or aggressive. I would, however, state that it was the most exciting finish we've seen in quite some time.

Was it truly this massively epic card that we should tout as insurmountable? No, it wasn't. In terms of star power, it was that type of event, but are we to believe the UFC can't once again create an event that can surpass UFC 100? Give me a break.

My view on the event isn't the main issue here. The main issue is that the UFC can put on events that, on paper, don't look stellar, but those events could turn out to be massive successes. While PPV numbers probably wouldn't indicate that event's success, the appeal of those fighters following those events will rise. Furthermore, there are some much bigger match-ups that can happen in the future. A Fedor vs. Brock Lesnar showdown would bring every single hardcore fan out of the woodwork, and casual fans have enough of an interest in MMA to realize that is one of the lone individuals in the sport that stands a high chance of defeating Lesnar.

Star-divide

So, how is the mainstream media missing out on this opportunity? Sites like USA Today and Yahoo! Sports are already solid places to look for mainstream media coverage that isn't ignorant to MMA. They are supporting MMA as a legitimate source of interest to fans. They recognize that MMA is growing substantially, and those sites are feeding off an ever-growing fanbase.

The problem is the other media outlets that still have these "old school" reporters who grew up in an era in which boxing was a giant. Those media outlets are missing the opportunities that MMA presents. Those writers are the ones that are blasphemously stating that this is the pinnacle of the sport, and it'll die down in the aftermath. The only problem I see here is that it seems like a lot of wishful thinking on their part as a method to make themselves feel better about keeping their jobs while still bashing MMA as "cockfighting".

The numbers don't lie, and those same numbers can't be ignored when it comes to the appeal of MMA. Those major media outlets need to either re-assign those writers or tell those writers to move away from reporting anything on MMA because it's nothing but negative. If they want a piece of the pie, they should probably resort to hiring writers that care about the sport. It puzzles me that some of these outlets don't understand the general movement of readership when it comes to topics about sports. Generally, I won't read a paper that is constantly bashing something I love with no legitimate reason to bash it other than ignorance.

This brings me right into the most highly-focused issue by many writers at UFC 100, the Brock Lesnar post-fight interview. A lot of people are claiming that this is such a bad thing for the sport because of Lesnar's antics, but I'm under the firm belief that it has the opposite effect on actual appeal numbers and revenue. Sure, we can sit here and criticize that it moves away from a more professional look to the sport and adds a more circus atmosphere that could move mainstream media outlets walking the line on whether to cover the sport out of the mix. The problem is that those antics down the road are only going to produce more hype, more buys, and more crossover fans. Then what? Those same outlets would have missed the boat 10 events ago.

I'm for a more professional look to the sport, but from a pure business view of a media outlet... Lesnar's antics are going to create more buzz. Focusing on his foaming at the mouth and calling him a crazy guy isn't going to make groves of casual fans run for the hills. As a hardcore fan, I don't even focus on these ridiculous over-analyzations of the interview, but rather the future matches that Lesnar will be involved in. I know that casual fans will continue to buy PPVs to watch Brock Lesnar fight, and if anything, those antics have created a massive love-hate relationship in which many fans will tune in to simply find out if a challenger can shut Brock Lesnar up.

All the hate stemming from the Brock Lesnar post-fight antics is coming straight out of either newspaper writers who haven't the slightest desire to like MMA, MMA writers, or hardcore fans who generally think it's bad for the sport. It's bad if you want to see MMA progress into something more professional, but in terms of building more buzz around future events, it works. In fact, it'll have a Tito Ortiz effect.

Fans who like Brock Lesnar for whatever reason either because they have followed him in the WWE over to the UFC or because they love to see a massive heavyweight crush people will tune in. Hardcore purists who want to see the "technical" MMA fighter defeat the brute will tune in to hate Brock Lesnar. It's a win-win for the UFC in terms of profits and revenues, and it'll appeal more fans to MMA.

Mainstream media outlets can sit around criticizing, but the main point here is that those outlets are missing out on the cash cow that is MMA's continual growth. Bash the Lesnar incident all you want, but the sport is only going to get bigger because of it. In an era in which an NFL player can get drunk and kill someone or shoot themselves, it's odd how NFL ratings continue to be high. What's the big difference between the NFL player antics and Lesnar's antics? That's right, Lesnar foamed at the mouth, shoved a finger in Frank Mir's face, flipped a double-bird, and told everyone he was going to mount his wife. The majority of the fanbase doesn't care.

This isn't an apples to apples comparison however. Dante Stallworth's vehicular manslaughter while under the influence is much worse than a bunch of words coming out of Lesnar's mouth. The similarity resides in the fact that fans simply want to be entertained. Stallworth will be back, and fans won't tune out a game because of it. Fans aren't going to turn away from MMA because of Lesnar's antics.

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Very true Leland. Even our hometown radio station (The Score) did a little bit on it, but not much. When I worked there for 6 years, I tried countless times to let them know a MMA show on Saturday or Sunday nights would be huge. Still hasn’t happened, but there is a baseball show in Spanish on Sunday nights…

I'm your huckleberry

by bigtim on Jul 15, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tim, I’m sure you and I could have a lengthy discussion on some of the ignorant stuff we hear on “The Score” daily. I hear a lot of it, but I usually think that it’s simply because they are trying to be entertaining versus really stating truth.

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"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

by Leland Roling on Jul 15, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s a little of both. A lot of those guys believe everything they say. I will give credit to Laurence Holmes, one of my best friends there, who did some UFC 100 coverage last week. He had Goldberg on and did pretty well. However,on Monday after the event he did a ton on how Brock Lesnar was bad for the UFC and how much he hurt UFC’s chances to go “mainstream.” What can you do?

I'm your huckleberry

by bigtim on Jul 15, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great article.
The fact people are still talking about Lesnar and his antics suggests to me that like it or hate it people are going to tune in again to see if he falls off the deep end once more.
I had no problems with his antics, in fact I found them hilarious but I have a feeling that more people will watch just because they hate him. Similar to how Howard Stern suggested he had more people listening to him on the radio (in the old days) because they just wanted more ammunition on things to hate him about.

As for MSM I’m not sure what will turn them around. MMA is really popular here but still any coverage of it is shuffled deep in the sports section next to bowling and underwater basket weaving.

by pr0cs on Jul 15, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and casual fans have enough of an interest in MMA to realize that is one of the lone individuals in the sport that stands a high chance of defeating Lesna

I disagree with this.

by -Sam on Jul 15, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t. I have a friend who never watches MMA, but knows Fedor is unbelievable because of…. wait for it… Youtube. Maybe not all casual fans, but most know of him.

Follow me on Twitter @lelandroling
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

by Leland Roling on Jul 15, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least 5 of my casual UFC watching friends have no clue who Fedor is. A group of texans I met in Madrid a few months back didnt have a clue who he was, but knew Brock. By definition, MMAs casual fans, are UFC fans, they dont visit internet blogs for the most part (I would go so far as to say that being even a semi regular on a place like this precludes you from being a casual fan) so there is no reason for them to know who Fedor is

by -Sam on Jul 15, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, that’s surprising. I suppose there are people who don’t even have a hint of Fedor then.

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"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

by Leland Roling on Jul 15, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difference between people knowing about Fedor now and people knowing about Fedor before a Brock Lesnar fight would be the incredible push the UFC could put behind Fedor. That’s why Fedor would really need to come in and fight someone else before fighting Brock (probably Randy), they could put the the big push on him and get the casual fans talking. It’s the same reasoning they would never allow him a one fight contract, they don’t want to create that kind of buzz for a guy who isn’t going to be around for them.

by who me on Jul 15, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woa...

What if… UFC sets up Chuck vs. Fedor next year as his first fight (if somehow they can sign him)… That is when Chuck says he may fight again… If he is shot, his last push can be given to Fedor before a fight with Brock…. And it would be like a last chance for Chuck to gain some glory… It would likely be a decimation, but I’ll let Chuck go out on his shield against Fedor, while givin him a chance to do one last thing to solidify his legacy…

I’m under the influence…. but it sounds plausible, and would set the stage in a big way for Fedor… (other good names would be Tito, or Randy)

by Loot on Jul 15, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chuck would be a good one, it would really be a no lose for the UFC as Chuck is definatly done after his last fight regardless and a Chuck fight would get Fedor’s name out there in a big way.

The thing about the Couture fight is that it was one of the things they promised Randy when he re-signed. Even through all the blow up between him and the UFC in the last year it seems that they will go out of their way to make Randy happy, not to mention that is also a fight Fedor has been wanting too. A Randy vs Fedor fight draws big with the hardcore crowd but it also would really introduce Fedor to the UFC casual fans in a big way, then you go for the PPV sales record with him fighting Lesnar after that.

by who me on Jul 16, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i have a lot of friends that don’t even know how the sport is called, but they know about fedor from various videos, whenever he fights they want a link from me (of course i never have one, but they ask)

by kovy on Jul 15, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless of what Dana White will have you believe, MMA will never, ever be a ‘mainstream’ sport. Its just not palatable enough for the wider audience, nor does it have, and will not be able to achieve, cultural resonance in markets that matter for the UFC.

Keeping that in mind, does mainstream ‘acceptance’ matter so much? Only in that wider exposure will lead to an increase in interest, andsome of those will stick around. You throw enough mud at the wall, some of it will stick.

But the lack of MSM acceptance, wont mean that the sport will regress in any way, or even stagnate, it just wont grow as fast as it possibly could all things being ideal.

The only issue I have, is that fighters like GSP deserve to be championed and recognised by the wider public and its a shame that in his fighting career that probably wont happen to the level he deserves.

by -Sam on Jul 15, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Old media < new media.

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 15, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey subo

did u see MMA Payout talk about Zuffiness?

Zuffa + Truthiness = Zuffiness

watchkalibrun.com

by Zak Woods on Jul 15, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is blood coming out of my ears.

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 15, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To answer your question, no

I visit this site, Cage Potato and Fightlinker. That’s it. Most of the rest is garbage that provides the sites I DO go to enough material to mock/correct/stare at in stupefied awe.

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 15, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That last part was bolded for emphasis, in that that is the very essence of what is so distasteful about the UFC’s policy. The war declaration by Dana seeks to set them up as some kind of defender of the MMA faith, defining at their own discretion who the heretics and infidels are, and what holy wars should be waged. It is an appeal to those of blind and unquestioning faith, not reason.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it sets to punish EA for not helping get the sport over until they were sure they could make money off of it. Dana and company went into huge amounts of debt in the beginning because they love the sport.

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 15, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Punishing EA for telling the UFC “We are not interested” approximately 3 years ago. Thus, Dana has to create a war to make the fighters become casualties of this self-created war. Nice. =D

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fighters that aren’t in the UFC are the only potential ‘casualties’, and it’s not Dana’s job to worry about them.

Questioning Dana’s position as the defender of MMA is laughable. MMA wouldn’t be within shouting distance of where it is today were it not for Dana White. Hate him all day, but that is an indisputable fact.

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 15, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never questioned.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasnt Nick Diaz rumoured to have down the EA deal after Danas threat?

by -Sam on Jul 15, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean Nate.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’d be the one ;)

by -Sam on Jul 15, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then, yes, you are correct.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

P.S. This doesn’t punish EA…LOL. EA can release or fold this project and they are nice and dandy. If EA really wanted to, they could buy THQ and takeover. Only ones that come out losers here are the fighters, although, I am pretty sure the ban thing was an empty threat anyways. =)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then what’s the big deal?

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 15, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This whole manufactured war against EA and trying to turn MMA fans against them. I think its funny.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're one determined

Dude.

"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg

by SSreporters on Jul 15, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rumors are that Jake Shields is fighting for the interim MW belt in SF and that he signed with EA. Casualty?

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Jake Shields is coming to the UFC after that contract is done.

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 15, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL! Still 100% sure, huh?
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 16, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if Dana said if you sign with EA you are “banned” from the UFC.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh drop the crap man

"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg

by SSreporters on Jul 15, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, this is how Subo and I roll.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly..

Stop with your bullshit dude, this post had nothing to do with the EA thing and you’re ruining it with your crap.

by filipinomix2oo0 on Jul 15, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was brought up by Subo, so, I responded.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I was responding to someone else when you trolled me.

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 15, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you not realize that UFC is declaring war on EA because they are trying to make more money for THEIR company which benefits THEIR fighters. They aren’t trying to screw the fighters, they are trying to protect their brand which EA is trying to leech off of after seeing how well an MMA game can actually do after they had no interest in it before Zuffa plowed millions into their game.

Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin

by ufc4 on Jul 15, 2009 11:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Um, huh?They had plenty of interest before UFC undisputed was even released.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 5:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps I should have said no interest in releasing it. I know you’ll dispute that too but the facts are there, if Undisputed hadn’t sold over a million copies the first month EA MMA would not be coming out.

Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin

by ufc4 on Jul 16, 2009 9:05 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Dana and company went into huge amounts of debt…

Pretty sure Dana called the Fertittas to buy UFC from SEG because they were loaded, while Dana was a failed boxing promoter who taught cardio classes. I think the majority of lost money was the Fertittas, and not his.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jul 15, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dana was a self made millionaire with a chain of gyms in Vegas, he was also a fight manager with clients that included Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz. People act like he was some kind of failure teaching boxercise before they bought the UFC and that just isn’t the case he was already a self made man who started his own business in 1992. That is why his much richer partners left him in charge of Zuffa to start with. Just because he wasn’t a billionaire like the Fertitta’s doesn’t mean that he didn’t have his own money involved too (he owns 10%), hell for him the investment was probably a much more dangerous one to make because he was only a millionaire instead of a billionaire.

by who me on Jul 15, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

damn.

Thanks for this. I never knew bout any of that, and had only heard the boxercise thing… I knew he managed Tito and Chuck, but never realized his actual level of success at the point in which he and the Fertitas bought the UFC.

by Loot on Jul 15, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

People laugh at the boxercise thing but Dana wasn’t just some instructor he was the guy who owned a chain of gyms and exercise clubs that was offering the class. He made more off “boxercise” than most of us will make in a lifetime, perhaps it’s not as funny or as insulting as people try to make it out to be.

by who me on Jul 16, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Born in Manchester, Connecticut, Dana grew up in Las Vegas and has a background in boxing and grappling. "I boxed in the amateurs before getting into submission fighting and got hooked. Actually, I owned three boxing gyms in Vegas. I trained and managed fighters and had a sports management company. One day I met Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell, who I started representing, and I got into this huge contract negotiation with Bob Meyerwitz, the former owner of Tito Ortiz’s contract. Through that, Bob and I developed a mutual respect for one another, and I discovered he was selling UFC.

“Lorenzo Fertitta was a good friend of mine since we were kids. He and I were going to do something together in boxing anyway, so I called Lorenzo – he was down in Miami – and I said, ‘You know what, I just found out the UFC is for sale. What do you think?’ And he said, ’That’s interesting.’ A month later we owned it.”

http://fighttimes.com/magazine/magazine.asp?issue=1&article=24

Thus, in 1992, White established Dana White Enterprises in his home town of Las Vegas, Nevada. With his new company, White opened up three gyms in the surrounding area. He might not have been a good enough boxer to turn pro, but that did not mean he had to completely abandon the sport. Instead, White chose to use his expertise and own personal experiences to train boxers in his gyms. He headed up successful boxing classes and became a personal trainer to many up and coming fighters.

Business was going well for White, but it was about to get even better. One day, thanks to his sports management company, White was introduced to two young UFC fighters, Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell. After seeing their potential, White officially began representing them.

http://www.evancarmichael.com/Famous-Entrepreneurs/1166/The-Ultimate-Fighting-Champion-Dana-White-is-Born.html

Born in Manchester, Conn., White is a fierce Boston Red Sox fan. During an often troubled youth, he bounced back and forth between Las Vegas and Maine. He tried college for two years in Boston but didn’t finish. He got himself on track there, however, by launching a boxing program for inner-city kids. Back in Las Vegas, he founded the sports management firm Dana White Enterprises in 1992 and still owns three boxing gyms.

As a manager and trainer for pro boxers and UFC fighters such as Chuck Liddell, White often found himself negotiating with the freewheeling original owners of UFC, which they founded in 1993. When they were ready to sell, White enlisted friends and Las Vegas-based Station Casinos executives Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta III to buy UFC in January 2001. They would not disclose the price for the league, which now is privately held by Zuffa (Italian for a “scrap”). White owns 10%; the Fertittas hold the rest.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/management/2005-04-10-white-usat_x.htm

In 1992, Dana White founded Dana White Enterprises in Las Vegas, a sports management company. With three boxing gyms to his name in Vegas, Dana White trained and managed both professional boxers as well as some MMA fighters.

One of the fighters he trained was Lorenzo Fertitta, a Vegas casino mogul whom Dana White had run into at a wedding. Although the two had gone to high school together, their association began with that meeting at the wedding.

http://www.askmen.com/celebs/men/sports/dana-white/index.html

In 1992, White established Dana White Enterprises in Las Vegas. He conducted aerobics classes at three gyms in the Las Vegas area and began managing MMA fighters Tito Ortiz and Chuck Liddell.

http://wiki.cagepotato.com/index.php/Dana_White

White has a background as an aerobic kickboxing instructor and amateur boxer, but he later gave up as an active fighter and did not turn pro. White’s amateur record is unknown (many assume because it may not exist). In 1992, White established Dana White Enterprises in Las Vegas. He owned three gyms in the Las Vegas area and managed fighers such as Tito Ortiz.

http://www.mmamadness.com/mmapedia.html?mmapediaitem_id=40

White has a background as an amateur boxer, but he later gave up as an active fighter and did not turn pro. In 1992, White established Dana White Enterprises in Las Vegas. He owned three gyms in the Las Vegas area, and using his experience in boxing he trained boxers and taught boxercise classes. He also promoted boxing events and managed boxers, eventually including mixed martial arts fighters as his clients.

http://www.slybaldguys.com/serendipity/archives/79-Dana-White-President-and-Co-founder-of-the-UFC.html

by who me on Jul 16, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

MMAPayout has really lost their way, they used to have interesting and unbiased stuff, now it just seems that they are more interested in bashing the UFC than anything else. The pro vs anti UFC crap gets old, it’s really nice when you can just get the facts and decide for yourself.

by who me on Jul 15, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Most are saying this about MMAPayout now, althought FightLinker, WKR, and MMAConvert share the same sentiments in this issue.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MMApayout has turned this way on every issue, heck sometimes I think they are just out there digging for dirt to grouch about. It’s just a shame because that site started out really interesting.

by who me on Jul 15, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree, I used to visit mmapayout every day as they were a site that covered the business aspect of MMA which most sites weren’t doing. Now, they just constantly write negative pieces about the UFC. It just gets tiresome to read negative crap about the sport you love every day, especially when its not weighted with the postive end.

by filipinomix2oo0 on Jul 15, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agree with this 100%. I used to check out mmapayout every day as well. Not anymore.

by mattman73 on Jul 15, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea I used to read them every day now I won’t even click on links to their articles on other sites. It’s just sad how quickly they became a mockery of what they used to be.

by who me on Jul 16, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The difference is that Fightlinker and WKR aren’t trying to pass themselves off as serious MMA news/analysis content providers. They, along with Cage Potato, are built around flippant, off the cuff, MMA related humor and parody.

MMAPayout used to be great at offering bare-bones analysis of the MMA business without any proselytizing. Unfortunately, as they have grown and added new writers they have morphed from a straight up analysis site into an editorial site that happens to focus on the business of MMA.

by Steve4192 on Jul 26, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is that guy?

-99% of the population of not-Russia

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 15, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet even the guy in the cab under the sign would answer “no”. Of course they would probably say the same about HDNet too.

by who me on Jul 15, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats the point of the picture. They probably could care less about any advertising on their cab.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most people trying to catch a cab would probably care less too. It’s a decent bit of guerrilla advertising but it’s impact would be mostly limited to people who already had a clue of what they are looking at.

by who me on Jul 15, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s for HDNet to increase their brand and subscriptions, and from the controversy that it created, it actually got some pub from it and more interest in the channel. Can a criticized advertising campaign be a good thing? =)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t remember hearing any controversy over it (I mean it’s not the Mooninites), it was just some signs asking people if they knew who this random Russian dude was.

by who me on Jul 15, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only sort of “controversy” I read was this:

As you can see by looking at the picture, this is an HDNet ad campaign. I guess the thought process was that people would be so intrigued by this face that they will feel compelled to subscribe to HDNet. Only problem is HDNet was recently taken off Time Warner Cable, one of the main cable outlets in New York City. So even if they wanted to find out, they would have a hard time doing so.
and that’s more of irony instead of controversy.

by who me on Jul 15, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was mostly referring to my statement:

Can a criticized advertising campaign be a good thing?

Which I think would be funny if it somehow worked, though, not intended.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Statham?

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 15, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What Opportunity is Main Stream Media missing?

More like MMA continues to miss on main stream media.

by bignerd on Jul 15, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The MSM ain’t what it used to be. They’re not even going to be able to stop health care reform this time.

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 15, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Subo, have you graduated college yet to even deal with the health care system? It sucks for the employers, sucks for most people who have coverage and is the least cost effective when dealing with people with no coverage. When you get a job and have to $200-$300 of your own paycheck each month while you employer pays an additional $400-$600 you will be shocked how little in coverage you get for all that money.

I have no idea what the government is cooking up, nor do I have much confidence but I do know one thing health care needs is a reform.

by bignerd on Jul 15, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is why I want a public option. I don’t think health care should be a for profit industry, but it is, so let’s at least remove the middleman (insurance companies), get everyone covered and invest in preventative care. If we don’t stop being so fucking fat we’re all screwed anyway.

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 15, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

My employers pay for my healthcare, it is awesome!

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 15, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You kidding me? They are missing the droves of fans that MMA has right now. When you’re a sport approaching one million PPV buys and regularly pushing over 500,000k buys per events plus 1.5 million viewers on free TV events, mainstream media outlets like newspapers and all the others NOT covering MMA are missing a golden opportunity to increase their sales with additions to their staff to support covering MMA.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 15, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Main stream media is out there trying to sell their product to a new generation (particularly the print media) it just happens that is also the demographic that MMA appeals to the most. The UFC doesn’t need the mainstream media, they are growing just fine without it. Heck once the mainstream media does start really paying attention to something then most of their reporting is on the bad things that happen, why would a young sport need that? To be honest I hope they can avoid the mainstream media sharks as long as possible but for mainstream media it’s a demographic that they really need.

by who me on Jul 15, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for what it's worth...

… jay glazer was just interviewed on PTI and brought up alot of good points. hopefully someone finds the clip and posts it.

by woooburn on Jul 15, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you noticed..

UFC has been a prominent topic on PTI that past 3 days including today with Jay Glazer’s interview. And honestly they have been, overall, giving the UFC positive commentary, which is surprising and refreshing.

by filipinomix2oo0 on Jul 15, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i’ve only caught bits and pieces, but today’s definitely seemed the most positive.

by woooburn on Jul 15, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jay Glazer

was asked point blank by Dan Patrick if he used PED’s, and completely froze and sidestepped the question. Fun fact.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jul 15, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jay glazer and ped’s. say it aint so! :-)

by bdw on Jul 15, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“Well Dan, I’m not here to talk about the past….”

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by ufc4 on Jul 15, 2009 11:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

It's just funny

That we get all worked up about steroids, but only look at sports. I would bet Hollywood and the entertainment industry has a way bigger issue with it. Christian Bale? Dr. Dre? 50 Cent? JAY GLAZER?!

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jul 16, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The bottom line on the media issue.

I work for an establishment broadsheet newspaper. I’ve worked damn hard for nigh two years now to get MMA into the paper. For a while it was happening regularly in news (on the topic of regulation in our fine city) and sports.

Then the sports editor changed and I couldn’t get a look in. I’d offer exclusives, scoops, you name it, couldn’t get anything printed.

Meanwhile, occasional MMA pieces would run, usually anti-MMA briefs (Canseco, etc) that would mock the sport. These usually came from the old guard sports reporters who are all, to a man, over 45, drenched in the usual major league sports and have never seen more than 5 seconds of MMA but insist on calling it boring/brutal/barbaric/gay.

But I persisted online and eventually built enough of an online presence that the editors gave me a dedicated MMA section.

A few weeks back, the MMA section got a sponsor. The first section on the entire newspaper’s website to get a dedicated sponsor.

For UFC 100, they came to me and asked what I could get for them for the print version. Stories ran for three days. Entire pages were MMA-related.

I did two segments on a major sports radio station in town, all about how far UFC has come. Of course, once my segment was over, the talk drifted to Lesnar’s post-fight stuff and teh stoopid ramped up. You can’t stop every bullet. The point is, now they’re talking about ‘has the UFC gone too far’ in relation to words, not blood.
 
Now it seems the UFC is planning to come to town next year and the enthusiasm is ramping up again. This is good.

But I will say this, in terms of what the UFC could be doing better to infiltrate that mainstream media.

First, they need to get their results, and WEC results, into the sports agate (the line score section of the paper in which every sport offers its latest stats). This should include rankings, as those are an excuse for a monthly story whether there’s a show on or not. Most newspapers will take those linescores for every sport going, so it’s a cheap, easy means of getting into every newspaper in the country and helping casual fans keep up.

Also, they need to show the end of fights in the sports highlights package they send out to TV post-event. Boxing made a huge mistake in not allowing KOs to be shown on TV sports reports, to the point where people like me would go for a pee when the boxing highlights were on. UFC has avoided a lot of boxing’s mistakes, and the should avoid this. People will still buy the pay per views.

Bottom line: Trust me on this, it’s a lot harder to get a big-web traffic story happening around UFC these days precisely because the mainstream media has caught up to the sport. That they don’t cover it the way you’d like isn’t a big problem, any more than crap hockey or football coverage hurts those sports (and there’s a lot of both).

You’re in the party. And it’s just getting started.

If you see Mark Coleman in person, drop $5 on the floor and watch the fun as he tries in vain to bend down and pick it up.

by Ozzz on Jul 25, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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