The Pro-Wrestlers Who Shaped MMA, Brock Lesnar Wasn't the First
Sergio Non has a great piece up -- one I wish I'd written. He makes a top 9 list of pro-wrestlers who have impacted MMA:
UPDATE: As a result of reader feedback right here on BloodyElbow, Sergio has added two more to his list. They're #10 and 11 above.
- Kazushi Sakuraba
UFC lightweight contender Kenny Florian last year said that if MMA had a Mt. Rushmore, Sakuraba's face should be on it. One of the sport's leading trade publications calls him "the greatest fighter in the history of MMA ... by such a wide margin that his skill level may never actually be met by another competitor for generations, if ever."
Even UFC President Dana White wanted to borrow him from Pride, back when White still believed promotions should share fighters.
Sakuraba earned that status by saving pro wrestling's reputation as a legitimate fighting style.- Ken Shamrock
- Masakatsu Funaki
- Akira Maeda
Modern MMA arguably began when Maeda formed the Rings organization in 1991 after the collapse of his previous pro wrestling organization, the Universal Wrestling Federation. Maeda favored a pro-wrestling style called "shoot" wrestling, which emphasizes realistic-looking performances, and eventually Rings evolved into a full-fledged MMA group that groomed many fighters who later starred in Pride, K-1 Hero's and UFC.- Dan Severn
- Kiyoshi Tamura
- Kazuyuki Fujita
- Nobuhiko Takada
- Antonio Inoki
He didn't engage in many actual fights, but he was already well on his way to becoming Japan's version of Hulk Hogan when he started a series of bouts against fighters in other disciplines, including a match-up with Muhammad Ali that was the most notable mixed martial arts fight of the 1970s. The action stunk because Inoki did nothing except kick Ali's legs and flop to his back, but nevertheless, it was a real fight that left the boxing legend's legs in the worst shape they'd ever been after a competition.- Bob Sapp
- Satoru Sayama, aka Tiger Mask
He never fought in MMA, but he founded Shooto, the oldest continuing organization in the MMA (world). Sayama and Maeda were rivals in UWF, and their very real feud eventually led to Sayama leaving to form Shooto.
Go read the whole thing. A couple of my history of MMA pieces relate: I: UFC 1 Pancrase meets BJJ, III: More on Japan, IV: Rickson Brings Jiu Jitsu Back to Japan, VII: A New Phase in the UFC, XV: Pancrase, RINGS, and Shooto 1996, and XVII: The Lion's Den Roars.
If I can ever settle down and focus the next couple of installments will focus on PRIDE and Sakuraba's great early fights and another piece on Akira Maeda and RINGS late evolution into MMA -- the 1999 and 2000 King of Kings tournaments that arguably set the course for MMA through the first decade of the 21st Century.
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Lesnar is a Sports Entertainer
Not a Pro-Wrestler
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by RoyalB on Jul 15, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lesnar is by far the only one who has ever been top-tier at both. Sakuraba was a horrible pro-wrestler.
by TheAlphaNerd on Jul 15, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd argue that Shamrock fits the bill
He was a successful pro wrestler — Bret Hart, on his way out of the WWF, even tried to make a case for dropping the WWF title to Shamrock.
Re: Sakuraba, I’m not a fan of his pro wrestling work, but the Kingdom people thought enough of him to make him their marquee guy eventually. Of course, Kingdom also folded soon after, so maybe they weren’t the best judge of these things…
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by Sergio Non on Jul 15, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
one of the reasons Hart was pitching that was that he didn’t want to drop it to Michaels.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 15, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And because Hart trained Shamrock and considered him “his boy”.
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by Beer Monster on Jul 15, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but still...
It’s not like he proposed dropping it to Test or Davey Boy Smith. He had to find someone for whom he could make a good case.
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by Sergio Non on Jul 15, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
but Test wasn’t in the WWF at the time so duh. And Davey was always probably going to leave with Bret (even prior to Montreal). Get it together Non!
I’m kidding of course. Shamrock was perfectly serviceable as a pro wrestler but I don’t think he would have ever been able to carry the top belt in a promotion the way Brock did.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 15, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
d'oh
that top 9 thing gave me fits, i kept looking for the 10th as I copied Sergio’s list. had to change my headline, just knew i’d miss one.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 15, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically it's up to 11 now...
…I did add a couple of updates to the bottom of the list.
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by Sergio Non on Jul 15, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good additions
especially Tiger Mask. He merits a whole big or long feature article.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 15, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is far from the best ever. He should have lost to Meltzer. His win over a tiny Royler was corrupt. He had a great style to beating BJJ fighters. He struggled against the rest. And was absolutly exposed by Silva more then once…
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jul 15, 2009 11:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
All Gracie losses are corrupt, didn’t you know that? They only lose when its someone else’s fault.
by szucconi on Jul 15, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t know BJ Penn was a Gracie.
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by ufc4 on Jul 15, 2009 11:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
When someone knocks you out, it is his fault you lost.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 15, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Metzger
And let’s not forget that he came close to beating Wanderlei twice.
And a roided up Wandy had a huge size advantage on Saku. He managed to beat Vitor Belfort and Alan Goes (officially a draw, but in my scoring he won) who were both huge, but eventually it became clear that Saku was a small middleweight if not a true welterweight.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 15, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t know Dave Meltzer fought MMA.
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by Beer Monster on Jul 15, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nonsense
METZGER and Saku had a close fight, so they wanted a second round. It was within the rules and Shamrock made METZGER quit the fight. He was about to rip Roylers arm off.
Saku is the greatest fighter we will ever see.
by VegasBatman on Jul 15, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel there should be more emphasis made on the difference between Japanese professional wrestling and American to truly understand the context of Sergio’s piece.
by Simco on Jul 15, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's a good point
maybe sometime soon.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 15, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to laugh at the last line
The fight left Ali’s legs in “the worst shape they’d ever been after a competition”? Unless boxers start going for Anderson Silva-style quad punches, I’d say that’s pretty much a given.
Anyway, it seems like Japanese pro wrestling was a better gateway into MMA than American pro wrestling based on this list. Shamrock and Severn started out in MMA before moving over to pro wrestling while a lot of the Japanese wrestlers went the other direction.
by ricker2005 on Jul 15, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Before I got my broadband internet, there was no UFC or pride available for me so I was watching “bushido” on french TV, wich was basically japanese pro wrestling with submissions. This kind of puroresu was Ok, there were bad guy being build up until they faced Nobuhiko Takada, or his protege, forgot his name, but he fought not long ago) who was the boss back then. It was pretty much staged pancrace so the transition to MMA was kind of a continuity.
by spectaa on Jul 15, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
Shamrock and Severn did pro wrestling before MMA. That’s why they’re on the list — it includes only fighters who were pro wrestlers first.
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by Sergio Non on Jul 15, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did he do pro wrestling before Pancrase? He was trained in catch by Gotch and Fujiwara, but when/where did he actually perfom prior to 93?
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by Beer Monster on Jul 15, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he worked somewhere down south after training under (among others) the awesome Buzz Sawyer.
There is a great story about Jerry Saggs (of the Nasty Boys) beating the shit out of Shamrock back then because he took some joking around with his girlfriend way too seriously and showed up to the Nasty Boys’ hotel room where Saggs just beat the christ out of him and put him in the hospital with some pretty severe injuries. Matt Bourne (Osbourne) told the story in an interview I listened to back in the day, I actually still have that interview in audio format on my hard drive.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 15, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and after fact checking myself...
yes…it was down in North Carolina that he worked in the late 80’s very early 90s
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 15, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stuff. Thanks for the info.
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by Beer Monster on Jul 15, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes being a wrestling nerd comes in handy
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 15, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever, Brent.
If you don’t have a Rick “The Model” Martel poster, you shouldn’t even be talking about wrasslin… I’ll bust out the sprayer.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 15, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude...
is it weird if i do have a Rick Martel poster? Not up on the wall but I’ve still got it in a box of shit from when I was a kid down in the basement
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 15, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Wow… just wow, Brent. What about Brutus the Barber Beefcake.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 15, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
never liked the dude...
always was kind of annoyed with him being Hogan’s pal
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 15, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hacksaw Jim Duggan FTW.
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by subo on Jul 15, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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by Leland Roling on Jul 15, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d consider myself a wrestling nerd too, and even I didn’t know that. I bow to the nerd king.
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by Beer Monster on Jul 15, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Ken was in the UWF
with Funaki and Suzuki before they formed Pancrase. He also participated in Shootfighting with Bart Vale — a worked promotion that was in the mix of promotions walking that line between hard works and shoots.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 15, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had Fuijta gone for the knockout at that moment instead of a takedown, he might have ended the night with Pride heavyweight belt around his waist; instead, Emelianenko recovered and submitted Fuijta with a choke before the first round ended.
Not sure I agree with this assessment of the Fujita vs. Fedor fight. If I recall, Fujita didn’t actually GO for the takedown. He missed the next punch, and Fedor clinched with him. In the clinch, Fujita couldn’t shake him, so it went to the floor. Also, once they regained the feet again, Fedor wobbled. Fujita went for a huge punch once again, but missed. So to say he wasn’t going for the knockout isn’t accurate in my mind.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 15, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pretty much. Fedor clinched

the murdered

by gunranger on Jul 15, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have never seen a Japanese crowd go that nuts before.
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by subo on Jul 15, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BOB SAPP!!!
Where is Bob Sapp? How can great “Japanese Demigod” as Leland called him not be there!
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by themachiavellian on Jul 15, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nevermind...I read the updated article...
/self-facepalm
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by themachiavellian on Jul 15, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YEAH! TAKE THAT!
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 15, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to hear about the early Pride fights and especially the Rings tournaments
by Thomas Kane on Jul 15, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone remember when Tank Abbot was a pro wrestler in WCW?
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by MMAMoneyLine on Jul 15, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
they put him with fake boy band 3 Count and wanted him to take classes on dancing and singing so that he could fit more realistically. And I’m not even kind of joking
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 15, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one who enjoyed that?
I found it much more entertaining than Tank whipping out a knife and holding it to Big Al’s throat.
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by Sergio Non on Jul 15, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The baffling thing to me is that it was actually kind of entertaining and everything that Tank was associating with them…but WCW was going to make him take singing and dancing classes like somehow if he could sing and dance it would make the whole thing work. What worked was that he had no business with them.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 16, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Ted Turner.
You’re a testament to the meritocracy that is capitalism.
(cough IDIOT cough)
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Russo actually wanted to put the title on him one night as a big swerve.
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by Beer Monster on Jul 16, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talk about Sakuraba nuthugging.
I’d bet there are twenty fighters RIGHT NOW who are more skilled than Sakuraba was in his prime.
by Foxskinrug on Jul 15, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey man, you see that thing waaaaay off in the distance? Yeah? That’s the point. You missed it.
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by subo on Jul 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't exactly impact MMA as a whole,
But Ikuhisa Minowa is totally awesome.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 15, 2009 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought about putting him on the list...
But frankly, I couldn’t figure out if he whether he started in MMA or pro wrestling first. But I do love watching him fight.
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by Sergio Non on Jul 15, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFC weigh-ins need more of this sort of high tension

It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 15, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He is picking that guys pocket or grabbing some ass.
by szucconi on Jul 15, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"You guys won't believe it!"
“I went to the weigh-ins and they almost started grappling during the stare down! It was crazy! Luckily the ref put an arm in between them or somebody might have shot in for a single-leg right then and there!”
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 15, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by subo on Jul 16, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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