How Long Will UFC 100 Be the High Water Mark for MMA in the U.S.A.?
There's a strange consensus emerging that UFC 100 marks a plateau in the UFC's popularity that will last a while. When I see agreement between writers for Sherdog and FightOpinion and crusty old columnists from outlets like CBS News, the Washington Post and Boston Globe, I know I'm picking up the zeitgeist.
Here's Ray Ratto of CBS:
MMA has found its niche, and UFC 100 was the top end of that. It was as big a card as could be constructed, and White had months to make it right. By most analyses by MMA fans, he did. For those who aren't MMA fans, it doesn't matter.
And as is usually the case when a sport puts on its biggest show, the market finds its own equilibrium. This was almost certainly MMA's Wrestlemania 3, the one in Detroit that put Hulk Hogan over, and just as McMahon never could top it, this is probably the zenith of White's career arc as well.
Here's Jake Rossen of Sherdog:
When everything is sorted, it’s very possible UFC 100 and its surrounding fanfare will be recorded as another quantum leap in the sport’s bid for mass recognition -- which shouldn’t be confused for acceptance.
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How much bigger can it get? Big enough to accommodate Lesnar’s outsized personality. Big enough to draw record crowds and cable audiences. But not so big that other sports will be forced to stand in its shadow. Dads and their kids can toss a football around a yard: They’re not likely to be grappling in it.
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We will eventually spawn a generation that’s rewired to accept broken bones and orbital bleeding as a recreational evening. Lesnar will smash a Bud Light bottle over someone’s head in a commercial, and it won’t be any more newsworthy than when Derek Jeter smiles next to a stick of deodorant.
But until then, MMA will resemble a mutated bit of prizefighting, too ugly to be embraced by too many people and too foreign to be understood by anyone old enough to remember John Wayne. Conflict is the core of drama, and White is right to imagine that his product appeals to us in a primal, pared-down way. But this is conflict painted bright red when people are used to black and blue.
Here's Bob Ryan of the Boston Globe and Michael Wilbon formerly with the Washington Post on ESPN as transcribed by Zach Arnold:
Bob: "Those buys are hard to ignore, that’s on the par with some of the great boxing buys. It’s clear that it is on the move, it is getting attention in national publications and the other day I was walking through Times Square, Mike, and the results of this bout are up on the marquee on that ABC HQ building, that’s important, that’s a step, I’m sure Dana White was very proud of that, all right? It is coming, and it doesn’t shock me, this is the Howard Stern crowd, is it not?"Mike: "Yeah, Bob, it shocks me a little bit too because I’m old enough to be have been raised on boxing. I see it becoming that, I don’t know that’s it there Bob for this one reason – the great boxers going back to the turn of the 20th Century were some of the most famous people, the most recognized people on the planet, not just Ali’s time but going back to Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey and obviously Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, the most recognizable men on the face of the earth. UFC has a long way to go before they get to that, don’t you think?"
Bob: "Oh, absolutely, it’s not going to ever be I think on the par with our big four mainstream sports, but it’s going to be a very prominent niche player for a while because it does appeal to a segment that…"
Mike: "It seems like it’s a player already. If you’re 35ish or under, this is your thing."
Personally I'm from the school that believes predicting the future is the surest way to be wrong and look stupid. Spike TV is reporting that the UFC 100 Countdown drew an average of 1.3 million viewers over five nights. That's a pretty large audience. As far as I'm concerned MMA is a plenty big sandbox to play in right now and if we settle in to a period of consolidating the sport's gains, that's cool. I expect other peaks and plateaus will come in due time.
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About five months.
I’ve got The Ultimate 2009 outselling UFC 100.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And Ray Ratto is nuts.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I have the feeling this is gonna be true..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good co main events, and add in chuck liddell in the main card and your sold for sure.. maybe even kimbo.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Iceman Vs The Hammer
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 14, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
loser retires for good… most probably coleman.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coleman has been looking like some sort of melting Lavabeast a couple minutes into his matches now anyway,
so I’m thinking this is appropriate booking.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 14, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bring back luigi fiorivanti to fight him!
the few… the proud… the Marines [kill lava beasts]!
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 14, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MMA has found its niche, and UFC 100 was the top end of that. It was as big a card as could be constructed, and White had months to make it right. By most analyses by MMA fans, he did. For those whoaren’t MMA fansdon’t know the shit they are talking about, it doesn’t matter.
This isn’t pro wrestling, this is a real sport, so selling a spectacle in Hulk Hogan isn’t a real good analogy… Better fights could be made, bigger contenders could emerge with a couple of wins. The huge draws could draw even more.. and 100’s exposure just adds in more interest to the entire sport..
This isn’t a movie where if you sell millions in one classic show, (like maybe titanic), making another one would ruin things and you’d never ever match the success of the first.. It just doesn’t work that way..
This isn’t the peak of the sport.. Stay tuned, old guys who don’t know anything about MMA. this is just the beginning folks.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I do not believe that MMA will be at the level of major mainstream sport anytime soon if ever,
However, I don’t think it can even be argued that the appeal—be it his fame or his infamy—of Lesnar has peaked yet, so I really don’t see how the UFC could be at a plateau at this particular junction. Any of the following matches would be big to Huge, depending on just how rediculous the build up is: a Couture rematch, the elusive Fedor fight, a Carwin match—down the line a little bit, even a Mir rubber match could be Huge. I’m of the opinion that some people will tune in for this stuff and find something they like, and keep tuning in. Not all of them of course, and certainly not for all the right reasons.
It ends in an armbar or a strangle regardless.
by capital L on Jul 14, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The big sports develop popularity over generations, MMA will have to earn it the same way.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WWF was all over TV at that time, if I remember correctly. I think 100 may be the peak until mma has a consistent network presence that will grow the audience tenfold. I think eventually, we could see the UFC selling out a stadium for this type of show. As more and more athletes gravitate to mma, so will fans and so will tv and other media. Look at how it has grown the past few years already. A dozen years from now, what could the audience be for 250? What will happen when the UFC has a truly big mainstream star, that is on tv, movies, magazine covers, etc…?
I also don’t like to guess at what may come, but anyone that doesn’t think that this has the room to explode, is crazy.
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by BJJDenver on Jul 14, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The UFC is banking on web broadcasting taking over TV’s place and is positioning itself to jump on as soon as possible.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If MMA continues to grow at a grassroots level....
and the UFC continues to grow an older and more mature international fanbase. In 10 to 20 years the growth and convergence of these groups could make MMA the #1 sport in the world.
by nitro on Jul 14, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
#1 sport in the world???
That will never, ever happen. It may hit mainstream, but it is completely and utterly insane to assume that MMA will ever be even half as popular as soccer.
Just for the record, i am not a soccer fan at all, just a realist.
by MMAussie on Jul 15, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Dana hit the nail on the head...
when he talks about MMA being universally accepted because it appeals to a primal instinct in our DNA. When have you ever seen 2 guys get drunk in a bar and settle it with a game of soccer. Or play a game of soccer over a girl. I’m not knocking soccer, but if you look at the tremendous growth of the UFC (MMA) in the states and the UK and the already huge following in Japan, its really not a matter of if, but when.
by nitro on Jul 15, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When has sport ever been about sorting out 2 drunk guys at a bar? I understand that it appeals to a primal instinct in our genetics but that does not mean this sport will appeal to everyone. Are mothers going to tell there young kids to go and practice beating the shit out of each other or go and kick a soccer ball around? MMA DVD’s are rated 15+ for violence, so that eliminates a massive demographic almost immediately.
Go to a world cup game and you will see that soccer is and always will be the number one sport in the world. I lived in Rome for 3 years and going to a soccer game over there completely changed my view on sports. it cemented the fact that no other sport will ever touch soccer, not even close. Ronaldo just signed a new contract and 80,000 + fans packed out a stadium just to welcome him and only him. Not even to see a game. Not to mention he is earning close to $400,000 a week.
I for one hope that MMA keeps growing the way it is, but it is simply illogical to think that it will ever eclipse football.
by MMAussie on Jul 15, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It may never eclipse soccer, but it certainly has the potential to. To imply that it could “never” happen, well that would be illogical.
by nitro on Jul 15, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha, fair enough, never say never.
However, i would still compare that to saying Houston Alexander has the potential to one day submit Demian Maia.
by MMAussie on Jul 15, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I think the sport will not be #1
PLENTY of kids wrassle or slapbox in the backyard or at the playground or the alley behind the bodega.
Now this is more apparent and accepted in boys, but girls get down too. They’re just socially conditioned not to. And I assure you, those things are changing. And the world is getting smaller so change spreads faster.
by asa on Jul 16, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait for MMA to go legal in Ontario. The UFC could sell out the 50 000 seat Skydome if tey wanted to.
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by Ubernoober on Jul 14, 2009 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
big four mainstream sports
what are those? Basketball, Baseball, American Football and Boxing?
…I know they are talking about the US, but i think world wide, MMA can be bigger than the NFL.. (i’m not bashing your favorite sport, but) nobody cares about that in other countries..
The world is loves Football(Soccer), Basketball, and boxing.. so MMA being bigger (Globally) than the NFL or MLB in the future isn’t really that farfetched..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its probably
Football, Baseball, Basketball and either Hockey or Golf.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 14, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hockey FTW
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by Ubernoober on Jul 14, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well MMA can sure be bigger than hockey globally..
dang canadians. hahaha. ;)
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well thats not even an easy task
Hockey is pretty big in the Northeast USA, Russia, and Scandinavian countries. Alot of people don’t realize that the African nation of Mogadishu also has a great national squad.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 14, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, well i don’t know about hockey much so i’m no expert at all.. All i know is that It’s cold and lots of countries don’t have ice.. But that actually isn’t a valid reasoning, and im not making sense at all.. hahaha.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think your not giving yourself enough credit
people are attracted to sports that they can relate to, and they can relate to them by playing them. Fighting is a part of life so theres a huge attraction IMO. But why is soccer so big? Alls you really need is a round thing. Same reason baseball is a huge international sport, all you need is a round thing and a stick. You can easily take these sports up. Its also why gridiron has such a hard time, because theres a lot of different positions and rules and you have to have an actual football to play it as opposed to playing soccer with a basketball, volleyball, coconut, human head, etc.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 14, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How to play Hockey in warm climates:
- Find some Canadian ex-pats in the Phillipines
- Get hockey sticks, tennis ball
- Beer
- More Beer
- Start hitting each other with sticks in the middle of the road
Congratulations! You’re playing hockey!
Keep firing Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 14, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahahaha.
you crack me up all the time.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hockey is so great. Name another stick and ball sport where getting in a fistfight in the middle of a game will only get you a 5 minute penalty.
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by Ubernoober on Jul 14, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lacrosse>Hockey
and I love hockey.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 14, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i think
MMA is already more important internationally than the NFL. That much seems apparent to me.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 14, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im not sure..
but i think youre right.. I don’t know any other country that loves the NFL more than other sports…
But MMA being bigger than the NFL on america? I don’t think we’ll see that anytime soon. hahaha.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think that will never happen
ever. MMA is my favorite sport but I still think NFL>UFC, Affliction, Pride, etc.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 14, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick!
fix it before the grammar police get here..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont see it?
Which is alarming seeing as I was a sports editor at a division one college newspaper.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 14, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your double negatives.
dont think it will never happen..
unless your point was it will happen, then it doesn’t make sense.. but you did sasy NFL>MMA so im not sure what your point is. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
I put “it will never happen” at first then went back and added “I dont think,” and just didn’t not think to never go back and fix it.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Jul 14, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
:-P
@weoweoweo
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by Richard Wade on Jul 14, 2009 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's true. :)
…see it’s not its.. hahahha. :D
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was UFC 100 the peak? Lets see:
The video game just sold more than 2 million copies on its way to 3 million. The effect of this is akin to the effect of tuf. There is a steady flow of “Undisputed Newbs” coming in the funnel as we speak.
UFC 100 had an element of “griffin/bonnar” to it where facebook/myspace and twitter has been lighting up with UFC conversation the likes of which has never been seen before spreading the “virus” even more.
The next tuf season has lots of anticipation building up with Kimbo and will probably produce the best rated season yet.
The UFC expo was a huge success which is now being included in the “franchise” for multiple events every year in major markets… I could write a book about the implications of this and what it means for Zuffa’s dominance.
So was UFC 100 the peak? HELL FUCKING NO.
This “Zeitgeist” has their head so far up their ass to understand what’s actually transpiring at present moment. They are too busy fantasizing what Brock banging his wife would look like to comprehend the correct analysis of the situation.
by mmalogic on Jul 14, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I was wondering where you were
you know supremacy has been out-shilling you lately because he’s doing fanposts.
You should go back to doing some fanposts, the ones you’ve done in the past were explosive.
and fwiw, I pretty much agree with you but i don’t think we’ll match the ufc 100 ppv numbers for a while — we still haven’t matched chuck vs tito 2 have we?
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by Kid Nate on Jul 14, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GSP/BJ 2 beat that at about 1.3 mil or something.
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by Ubernoober on Jul 14, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFC 92 beat Chuck/Tito. I heard 94 did under a million but haven’t heard an update in a while.
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by ufc4 on Jul 15, 2009 12:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The metric of one card is not as important as the annual number… It’s more important that buys for 2010 are higher than buys in 2009 compared to buys for ufc 109 being higher than UFC 100.
So a “peak” is not really one card – it’s more like an annual set or at a minimum a quarter on quarter. 09 will definitely beat 08 in ppv buys. 2010 is highly likely to beat 09… the ceiling has not been found.
Everything is compounding on everything else every year… Live shows produce more buyers in their markets… Tuf continues feed the funnel… The new video game is feeding the funnel… Fan expos are in the mix now… Anheiser is doing its thing (in regards to promoting Zuffa consumption)… New announcements are coming that will add to this many fold… Buyers are producing more buyers and the snowball is just getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
Who the fuck needs to be on cnn – lol at all the crybabies whining about how the mainstream wont like us now that Brock was a big meanie…
The mexico TV deal is probably the most significant news so far this year and nobody understands it – the “media” is too busy focusing on brocks saliva.
I said this a long time ago here… while people are trying to figure out how to crack the “ppv nut” there will be a a bunch of additional nuts in place… Nobody has been able to touch Zuffa 1.0. It’s now Zuffa 2.5 with 3.0 coming soon.
A perfect storm is brewing… you can’t grow fast enough to handle whats coming – everything thing is like deja vu from the Tuff show and the Griffin/Bonnar catalyst.
So while Josh Gross is picking his nose wondering “what are we doing here” and continues his Jihad in trying to turn this into boxings little brother – Zuffa is doing what’s necessary so his ugly ass continues to get a paycheck.
by mmalogic on Jul 15, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t the UFC just sign at least two new TV deals in the last couple of weeks?
I believe the deal that got them into China was 80 million new households up to potentially 240 million new households. Calling for 16 hours of UFC programming per month.
The other one was with the largest Spanish language network I believe. Can’t remember the details on that.
With deals like that just being announced there is no way MMA has reached it’s high water mark. So Ray Ratto and those other guys are very misinformed and missing the boat on this.
by mattman73 on Jul 14, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let’s just say that next year at this time, UFC will be even bigger than it is right now.
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by thetakeover on Jul 14, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only in the sense that the universe is expanding.
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by Ubernoober on Jul 14, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good quotes
I think the UFC is in an interesting situation.
UFC 100 will probably be the highest grossing MMA ppv ever (1.5mill) However, all the real big sports are big because people can see them for free and often. If the UFC forms an MMA channel or does weekly Saturday Night Events then the sky is the limit. There is really a soft cap on the number of people who are willing to buy any PPV (boxing,mma,wwe,etc.) Would you really watch the Super Bowl if it cost you $75?
by Sokonojudo on Jul 14, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No, but mainly because it’s usually two teams I
don’t give a shit about and I ain’t paying $75 to watch commercials but almost every UFC card has a couple fighters that I like and want to see.
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by ufc4 on Jul 15, 2009 12:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I work for a pioneer company in the sports industry, and so far only one other guy is into the UFC — he claims he’s been into it for 5 years — yet he doesn’t know who Shane Carwin or Jon Jones is.
by goodbones on Jul 14, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There are a number of people who are into the sport in the sense that they watch it every month or so but don’t know who the hell anyone is.
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by Richard Wade on Jul 14, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny enough, middle of the day Shane Carwin was the second hottest Google trend.
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by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s cuz there was an article on the front page of Yahoo earlier today about his blog where he criticized Lesnar.
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by ufc4 on Jul 15, 2009 12:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I still think the UFC has a long way to go before it hits Mainstream Ave.
by goodbones on Jul 14, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Assume it’s October 2007. The peak was 4 months ago with Jackson vs. Liddell, but now Chuck lost again, and Randy just announced his resignation. Now imagine I come along and tell you the sport will peak in about two years when Brock Lesnar rematches Frank Mir at UFC 100.
The point is, as long as the UFC keeps providing fights people want to see, unexpected opportunities for growth will present themselves. There are two fights on the horizon that could be a new peak: Brock vs. Randy II and Brock vs. Fedor.
by Michael Rome on Jul 14, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Is there really that much interest in watching Randy get smashed by Brock again? I mean I’ll watch but there can’t be too much drama there, we all know what’s gonna happen.
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by ufc4 on Jul 15, 2009 12:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Rossen doesn't
realize that when it is raining outside, we fight inside. When it is late, we fight inside. My 10 year old daughter can name 5 fighters in the WEC and UFC. My boys can name more.
Baseball is too boring to watch, they say.
Basketball just sucks.
Football they wear helmets and my kids can’t relate.
and my favorite “Dad, why don’t the boxers kick each other then arm bar him?”
All 4 of my kids have started watching MMA, and my wife liked 100. If NASCAR is main stream (i hate it) I know damn good and well MMA will be. If the product continues to be top notch, as this generation grows, so will the sport.
by Riney on Jul 14, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dare say you are the exception rather than the norm.
Do your kids participate in fight sports?
As said previously, participation is a huge factor in following a sport, as it adds a level of understanding and expertise that cannot be gained from just watching. Although, this participation level CAN be satisfied of sorts by video games, etc. (Think pro wrestling or my addiction to soccer)
by Well Read Idiot on Jul 15, 2009 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many kids study martial arts?
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by iiowyn on Jul 15, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will ALL
have Gracie Blackbelts in 3 short months. My ground game is incredible against my 7 year old. Its is so easy to body triangle his little ass. I have a 100% takedown success rate. I can only arm bar my 13 year old son now, I broke my daughters arm, reinacting the Mir/Silvia fight (broke that shit clean!)
All you need is a computer with internet access and a debit card, you too can be a gracie blackbelt just like us. I am currently 374-0. No one can handle my ground game (if they can, they go to bed without dinner). In a few short weeks (when the cast comes off) I will be able to reach the vaunted Gracie 400-0. I will then get a printable award “1st Family of BBJ online Blackbelts” and yes I will be undefeated.
by Riney on Jul 15, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes I run into a little kid talking shit...
so I go all early Gary Goodridge on his ass just ELBOWELBOWELBOWELBOW
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 15, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
^^ This. They make weight classes for a reason, you little punk.
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by subo on Jul 15, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bq.“How much bigger can it get? Big enough to accommodate Lesnar’s outsized personality. Big enough to draw record crowds and cable audiences. But not so big that other sports will be forced to stand in its shadow. Dads and their kids can toss a football around a yard: They’re not likely to be grappling in it.”
more nonsense… Most kids grapple and fight with their siblings and fathers way before they learn how to play catch.
by mmalogic on Jul 15, 2009 2:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
A) Not to be resident wrestling nerd…but Mania 3 was what put Hogan over? No…Hogan way over WAAAAAY before then. Mania 3 was just a huge event, but it didn’t really change Hogan’s status beyond “he can slam Andre!” so…I don’t know. Factchecking?
B) The sport could get bigger or it could stall a bit. i think there will still be a little growth before it stalls out, but by stall out I just mean hit a period of slower growth. I’m sorry but at some point things WILL level off a little bit. I, of course, do not want this to be true because the success of this website grows with the sport but reality is that at a certain point the growth will cool. This is not to say it won’t get hot again but look at ANY OTHER SPORT ON EARTH and you will see boom periods and cooling off periods. I don’t think we’re going to be immune to any sort of slow periods in our future.
C) Why are we so obsessed with trying to rank sports and decide which sports we can be bigger than? It’s such a pointless exercise and it only serves to make the sport seem smaller than it really is to hold it up to other sports with long histories and a large amount of cultural currency. Our sport is young and booming…that’s good enough for me. I don’t hold any illusion that we’re heading for the #1 sport in the world…and if we are I’m going to be a very old man before it happens. Don’t look for too much, too fast or you’ll feel disappointed without need.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 15, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Generational change will get this thing up there.
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by iiowyn on Jul 15, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think it’s a pointless exercise to try to rank sports. I haven’t ever understood it and see no value in it. The only value is in getting our sport as big as we can and leaving it at that…not this weird idea that we need to get bigger than basketball or whatever.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 15, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I definitely agree with the sentiment that trying to rank sports is a bit pointless, and while I’m a huge fan of MMA I don’t really yearn for it to become the most popular sport in the country, (I mean, imagine if fighters were supposed to behave like role models…).
As long as there’s enough money around to tempt people with talent into the sport, and there’s an organization putting on good cards I couldn’t care less if and how MMA’s being covered on CBS or ESPN.
by WanderleiNoooooo! on Jul 15, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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