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UFC 100 Aftermath: What's Next For Brock Lesnar, Frank Mir, Georges St Pierre, Dan Henderson

Brocklesnargold_medium Here's Jake Rossen's take:

Next for Lesnar: The appeal of seeing Lesnar against the winner of Randy Couture-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira on Aug. 29 just deflated considerably -- both men are not as fresh as Mir and would probably be fitted for a toe tag during their prefight physical. Shane Carwin has the horsepower to make it interesting; fans will scream for a bout with Fedor Emelianenko -- and they should get it, just for history's sake -- but a demure and Russian-speaking opponent is not going to pull the attention the gleefully arrogant Mir did, cult following or not.

Next for Mir: One or two weeks of basement dwelling until the swelling goes down; the loser of the rumored Carwin-Cain Velasquez bout.

Next for Georges St. Pierre: A year off to build the requisite amount of muscle to challenge Anderson Silva -- and wait for a contender to emerge. (I like Mike Swick, but his chances against St. Pierre could not be any worse if he were blindfolded.)

Next for Dan Henderson: Yoshihiro Akiyama if he's lucky, Anderson Silva if he's not -- along with a UFC Hall of Fame slot.

As for Michael Bisping, here's Kelvin Hunt's take:

...it'll be interesting to see just exactly how he bounces back and who the UFC decides to match him up with next.  They are either going to try and slowly rebuild him, or throw him right back in the mix against a legitimate opponent.  My guess would be to put him back in there with some middle tier fighters.  There are fighters out there like Chael Sonnen, Dan Miller, and Thales Leites in which Bisping could fight and with a win get a little credibility back.  If he can't beat them, then that just further proves that he isn't as good as he thought he was.

And Adam Wagner thinks Dan Henderson deserves a title shot:

The more dominating those bounce-back performances, the quicker a former champ should get a shot.

While not a hard-fast rule, it’s also been a tradition that Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) matchmakers often follow. Rich Franklin earned a rematch against Anderson Silva with two solid victories, despite looking dismal in their first meeting. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson earned another title shot with two victories, but opted to fight Rashad Evans in a grudge match instead.

All Matt Hughes needed to get a rematch against Georges St. Pierre was a sloppy win over Chris Lytle.

Since losing his Pride FC title to Silva, Dan Henderson has strung together three consecutive victories against very tough opponents — and he’s done it by being the UFC’s beckon call boy, fighting at whatever weight Joe Silva and Dana White have asked him to.

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Why do people talk about Hendo-Akiyama. That’s crazy talk. They will certainly give Akiyama an opponent much further from the title. He would have a very tought time against Hendo and I don’t think anyone really needs to see that match right now.

by Sventsh on Jul 14, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing I think the UFC has been doing wrong lately

is taking care of the cadre of possible contenders for the MW title.

As of their last wins, both Maia and Marquart (sp?) were both in position to have legit title shots. I understand the concern about selling another title fight between Silva and a brazilian BJJ blackbelt (I also understand they are very different fighters, but selling that is another matter), however having them fight each other basically destroys a legitimate contender for little reason.

The idea of pitting Hendo against that fight’s winner is even worse.

Right now people complain about the lack of contenders at MW, but part of the problem is the UFC not shepparding those possible contenders as well as possible.

by Razreshat on Jul 14, 2009 10:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think they’re stuck because Silva only has a few fights left on his contract and after that a lot of people expect him to retire.
No idea how possible that is but if it is the case then they have to ensure that the cream of the cream float to the top. Which is a drag because we had to waste fights against Cote and Leites rather than wait for legit contenders to shake themselves out.
If the talk of him retiring is just that.. talk… then I’ll agree with you in that it doesn’t make sense to force a single contender.

by pr0cs on Jul 14, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"-- along with a UFC Hall of Fame slot."

I am always amazed at how people have no concept of what this is.

by Simco on Jul 14, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Hendo has 5 UFC wins ever including his 2 back in the Alabama days. He seems in good enough shape to go for a while longer. Maybe he’ll be inducted at UFC 200.

A Wanderlei Silva rematch at 185 would be a fun, not-too-dangerous-to-risk-his-title-shot opponent. Headline the TUF 10 finale in December on free tv, lots of exposure for a title rematch with Anderson.

by Stanlee on Jul 14, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well they sort of own Pride now so those count for something I guess, but I will be interested to see how the hof plays out with guys that spent a lot of time in Pride. But “— along with a UFC Hall of Fame slot.” is a dumb statement because most HOFs don’t induct people still playing at a high level like Hendo.

by szucconi on Jul 14, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brock: The Fedor fight has to happen, and i would assume they have only a couple of months to get it set up in time for the Dec. Las Vegas show or the Superbowl weekend show. Dana has been patient about Fedor for a long time so it suprises me that he was so open about bringing him in after 100 since he still has a big hurdle in Barnett before UFC would consider putting pride (no pun intended) away and putting ink to paper. Carwin/Cain are fightin in late October so it would be a short turnaround for them, but an injury free winner would set up the only other viable opponent this year for Brock… That is unless one highlight reel LHK from Cro-Cop (hell, or Dos) changes things.

GSP: Not sure the UFC will want him to take a year off to bulk up right now for Silva. Just because Swick/Kampman and others arent huge threats to GSP doesnt mean they arent deserving of a shot. Im a huge GSP fan and i feel like he’d roll them both up, but lets keep the title situatiuon fluid, and give the guys who are working their way up a chance to prove themselves. The UFC wont be complaining if GSP adds some KO highlights to his resume since his last 3 fight have come without a finish. Just because it looks like he’ll be ruling the division for the forseeable future doesnt mean you shut the division down.

Hendo: Wow. How quickly things change. He KTFO’s wand and hold both Pride belts, then its right back to “Decision Dan.” Then he KTFO’s Bisbing and his stock is right back up through the celling. IMO he has earned a re-match with the Spider. It’d be tough to find a fighter with 3 more quality wins that Franklin, Phalares, and Bisbing combined with his already legendary reputation. Even if the outcome is similar to the first fight, fans will be brainwashed by fight time because the UFC will have shown us the KO of Bisbing 1000000 times by then. Plus, the Silva/Griffen fight may reveal another chink in the Spider’s armor giving Hendo fans even more hope. If not the Spider then who knows? In what could be Silva’s liast fights Id like to see him get Maia AND Hendo again so i wouldnt want to wait for a Hendo/winner of Maia/Nate fight first, it would only take away a legitimate future contender.

Bisbing: My guess is the UFC throws him a bone… make that a few bones, I dobt he’ll get anyone super-dangerous, as the UFC wants him to come back as the face of MMA in the UK. But me, im a blood-thirsty Wand fan so i wanna see that fight as soon as they find the other peices of Mike’s jaw.

Alves: May go the way of Dan Henderson and churn out 2-3 more impressive victories on his way to a re-match. The WW division is full of competitive guys, the problem is there is only one WORLD CLASS guy in GSP. So there are plenty of interesting matchups for Alves. Id love to eventually see a Hardy/Alves slugfest.

Mir: My advice, forget about Brock for a while… a long while. If Brock gets the Cain/Carwin winner or Fedor, give Mir Coture. Gabe Gonzaga would be interesting as well since he can hang submission-wise. Im sure Mir will hunt for a rubber-match but if i were him id put that energy into stringing together a few more wins. He’s super-confident so he shoud have no problem working his way back up the ladder, but it will be interesting to see if this loss deflates him and we see the mentally fragile Frank Mir again

A true MMA fan from the great state of Arkansas.

by MMArazorback on Jul 14, 2009 10:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lesner-winner of Cain/Carwin, which I think will be Carwin and I also believe that is what UFC officials are hoping for. Beyond that, Affliction needs to fail miserably or do very well and make Fedor either more available or more popular, then come to the UFC. I don’t think Fedor is HUGE in the US yet, but I do think there is more interest in him than he is given credit for. MMA fans know who Fedor is and what he is about, more casual fans have heard of him and there is an air of mystery surrounding him (to them). I think he would be a big draw for the UFC, especially after he fights once there.

Mir needs to get either the loser of the Cain/Carwin fight or Couture if he loses to Nog and keeps fighting. A win keeps him in the conversation, a loss makes him Gonzaga. Hey, how about Mir/Gonzaga? 2 good BJJ guys who also like to bang a little? Could be interesting!

GSP gets Swick if he beats Kampmann or a superfight with Silva if he beats Forrest, perhaps both depending on scheduling.

Henderson should fight the winner of Almeida/Grove for the next title shot after Maia/Marquardt. I’m sure UFC is hoping the Maia/Marquardt fight will be amazing, which I think it very well may be.

Just some thoughts…

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Jul 14, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

Im hoping this was ajoke?

Henderson should fight the winner of Almeida/Grove for the next title shot after Maia/Marquardt

A true MMA fan from the great state of Arkansas.

by MMArazorback on Jul 14, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ya thats a pretty hilarious suggestion

by brazary on Jul 14, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only out of a lack of anyone else to put there. I forgot about Okami (see how easy it is to do that?), so maybe HEndo vs Okami for a shot. I am still lost as to the matching of Maia/marquardt in a division without clearcut contenders.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Jul 14, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe we could go down and get an up and comer from Straight Dave’s Redneck Rumble?

Sorry, just saw “Bruno”.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Jul 14, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, just saw "Bruno".

is it as bad as I think it is, or worse?

("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)

by mythbuster on Jul 14, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On a scale of 1 to Borat, I would put it at about 6. There certainly were lags, but also a lot of laughing loudly. I’m sure I don’t need to say it is amazingly sophomoric, vulgar, etc…

While Borat filled in a storyline around real interviews and such, Bruno seemed to depend more on the filler. If you like Borat, you probably will like Bruno, just not as much. I have no doubt that MJ’s death and the protest of the gay community made the film weaker due to the cuts they made.

Probably worth the 10 bucks, but not a big miss if you wait until video, though it is probably more fun seeing it in a group.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Jul 14, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and while I’m back here, tell me outside of Okami, who is more deserving? I am going off the assumption that Almeida takes it. He will be 3-1 (should be 4-0, imo) since coming back to the UFC and has shown a willingness to stand and bang.

I would have no problem with Almeida/Henderson for a shot after that either. Or even against the loser of the Maia/Marquardt fight, which could easily propel that fighter back into contention with a win. I really don’t have a problem with Hendo getting the next shot, but I am just not excited by the prospect.

If you don’t like my ideas, the fightlines are posted on the front page and you can see that pickings are pretty slim for 185 title shots.

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Jul 14, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And just as a note, if Grove somehow won, then forget everything I said, lol!

If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.

by BJJDenver on Jul 14, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brock vs Cain/Carwin

The winner of this fight is the most-deserving of the title shot, but could this match-up happen? Wouldn’t that put Brock being out of the octogon too long? I would think they would want to get him back fighting before that which would just not be the right timing for that match.

by cr61109 on Jul 15, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sold on

a super fight between Gsp and Silva. Don’t get me wrong, I think it would be a great fight for the first rd., but I don’t think tying up the WW division for a year or more is fair to any of the other fighters in the division. Do we really need another LW division cluster f**k like we had last year when the title was out of contention while BJ tried to make his legacy and failed miserably. Do we really need to see the same thing with GSP?

by proflex on Jul 14, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

as if Penn-GSP didn’t stink everything up enough, we need more inter-weight fights?

No thanks. Champions fight contenders. Leave the super fights to non-title holders.

("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)

by mythbuster on Jul 14, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe even

champ vs champ at a catch weight, just a thought.

by proflex on Jul 14, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be

If they decide to actually fight for their titles, than maybe. But that being said, what do they do with contenders if two weight classes are unified?

I just think introducing champions into these types of situations has the potential to create much havoc.

("you don’t like Brock" – helping Weobo out)

by mythbuster on Jul 14, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lesnar:
Winner of Carwin/Velasquez or Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira if he beats Couture decisively.

Mir:
Loser of Carwin/Velasquez or loser of Couture/Nogueira. Throw in winner of dos Santos/Filipovic for good measure.

Henderson:
No Akiyama. Either Anderson Silva or Nate Marquardt/Demian Maia winner. Give Akiyama Bisping.

St. Pierre:
Winner of Swick/Kampmann. Considering his long layoff (next fight won’t be until 2010 supposedly), he should get Anderson Silva if he beats Swick/Kampmann. If not, a lower tier, but contending Middleweight like Bisping, Akiyama, Henderson, Maia or Marquardt.

MMAMoneyLine

by MMAMoneyLine on Jul 14, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no way they'll kill bisping vs akiyama

those guys should both get 2nd tier guys until they can be built back up towards title shots — preferably in S Korea and the UK.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 14, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

assuming they want Bisping on the 105 card in Manchester, and assuming they want him to win, you’re right about that. Cote mentioned in some interview he wanted to fight bisping if bisping lost to henderson. I don’t know if timewise that fight makes sense for 105 though.

by Stanlee on Jul 14, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bisping-Wanderlei

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Jul 14, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand about Akiyama getting a 2nd tier guy,

but why does Bisping deserve to get a 2nd tier guy? He has already had plenty of fights against guys at that level, so what would it prove or do for him to start over with those guys?

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Jul 14, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bisping/Leites and Akiyama/Leben. Make it so.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jul 14, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like it. I’d rather see Bisping get fed to Wanderlei, though.

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 14, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If GSP is going to take a year to gain weight and test the waters at WW, I think they should introduce an interim title, or he should just give up the WW belt for the sake of the division. I’m not a huge fan of superfights that hold up the divisions. I was so glad when GSP beat the tar out of BJ, simply because that meant we’d finally get some LW title fights. However, I do love watching superfights, just cause it’s a thrill to see two P4P fighters go at it. This is why if GSP is going up, he should leave the belt behind. I think this could rejuvenate the WW division.

Regarding Lesnar: No real desire to see him pound on either Couture or Nog. Definitely give him the winner of Carwin and Cain. (Though I’m pulling for Carwin, simply because I think he’s got a better shot at dropping the beast).

Hendo needs to fight Silva. I still think he gets beat, but he’s won his last three against tough opponents. What more does he need to do? The Hendo / Sexyama idea is just about the dumbest one I’ve heard in a while. Sexyama needs to fight a couple more gate keepers to build him up a bit. Let him get accustomed to the cage.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Jul 14, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Crazy superfight ideas that just might work.

1)

If GSP is going up, he should leave the belt behind. I think this could rejuvenate the WW division.
This is by far the best idea. Give those other WWs a weee little taste of confidence and then [splat] bring the hammer down..

2) Catchwieght. I usually hate catchweights too but I think they’re perfect for Champion vs Champion. Sure having somebody hold belts in two weight classes is sexy, but it just doesn’t work. A fighter with two belts will easily get worn out because he will have half the time (because he has to fight in two weight classes) to do twice the work (massive muscle gains and losses). Plus GSP said that if he did go for it, it’s not about being a champion, because he already is, it’s to be the best.

3) Ohhh fuck it, if you aren’t gonna take any of our options UFC, and insist on holding up the WW division, will you at least amuse use and put GSP on TUF?

by fuzzy wuzzy on Jul 14, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like catchweight bouts better than I do superfights that involve winning a title. Problem is, non title fights are only 3 rounds, unless an exception is made. Still, I’d rather have that then have divisions held up.

I love me some Sexyama!

by pud333 on Jul 14, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would anyone want to see Hendo fight Anderson Silva?

His plodding standup game is based almost entirely on taking damage to deliver his deadly right hand. He’d have as much luck with that against Silva as he would against a firing squad.

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Jul 14, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont think he'll beat Silva either but....

He is the most deserving, and IMO has more potential to win than Maia or Nate. Plus, as i said earlier, UFC will turn the hype machine up for Hendo in this fight. Highlight reel KO’s of Wand and Bisbing with a decision over Franklin will at least make him seem deserving by the time the fight happens. Not to mention Anderson has a VERY tough fight first with Forrest. If Forrest can pull out the win or even just hurt Spider some, then he wont seem so indestructable and a rematch with Hendo will make much more sense.

I think we’re underestimating the pub surrounding Hendo’s KO of Bisbing coupled with his TV time on TUF. The casual fan is getting to know Hendo, and if Dana holds tight to his stance on Anderson being the best P4P in the world, then fans will really get behind Hendo and the upset.

Plus, Hendo did ‘ok’ against Spider the first time. He prolly won the first round, which doesnt warrent a rematch, but it IS better than anyone else has done lately.

A true MMA fan from the great state of Arkansas.

by MMArazorback on Jul 14, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is true, I don’t think anyone else in the UFC has won a round against him, although I don’t think its a given that Hendo won the first round (I don’t think he did but I was on my 3rd Mickey’s and couldn’t see much because the floor seats are the most overrated place to sit in all of MMA).

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Jul 14, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"He is the most deserving"

I think this is the right perspective that needs to be used more in determining challengers to overwhelming champions.

If you are simply going by who has a chance to beat someone like GSP or A. Silva, it will never seem like someone should have a title shot.

by Razreshat on Jul 14, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Lesnar-winner of Cain/Carwin
Mir-Kongo or Herring
GSP-winner of Kampman/Swick
Hendo-Wand

by Raker on Jul 14, 2009 4:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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