Tom Atencio: Affliction Contract With Fedor Emelianenko "Almost Finalized"
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 3:59 AM EDT
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After Brock Lesnar handily defeated Frank Mir at UFC 100, Dana has been quoted saying that he's confident that Fedor would eventually land in the UFC:
"Eventually, Fedor’s going to be here. I want Fedor. I want him to come to the UFC. We’ll end up getting that deal done. And then we’ll do Brock vs. Fedor, and it’ll be a huge fight."
It got a lot of fans excited at a potential fight between Brock and Fedor, but don't hold your breath just yet, cause Tom Atencio isn't even worrying about the UFC stealing their poster boy away:
"It’s not something that I even think about. It doesn’t phase me what [Dana White] says. [The UFC] can talk, but I just don’t see it happening, personally. But if it does, then perfect. As a fan, that’s something that I would love to see.
[Fedor's representatives] always tell us what’s going on. We’re partners and that’s what you have to do in a partnership. They’ve talked to the UFC in the past, we’ve talked to the UFC in the past. The UFC does not co-promote. The UFC doesn’t want to work with other people and that’s really what it comes down to... That’s why I am confident that I don’t see it happening.
According to the Affliction VP, contract negotiations are going great and he is on the verge of signing him to a long term contract that could keep him locked up until 2012:
They’re going, they’re good, We’ve almost finalized it, but we just haven’t signed the papers. That’s really where we’re at. Everything is moving forward, it has nothing to do with anything but the fact that we’re just trying to make everybody happy, as I always do.
We have a great relationship with them and we’re always going to continue on with that, and that’s why I’m not too worried about things... We’re gonna move forward with M1-Global, they’re our partners . . . we are looking to bring him on until 2012
Them wanting to lock Fedor up until 2012 just proves that Tom Atencio and Affiction management are really planning for the long run. There have been several rumors of Affliction possibly folding after the third show, so the real question is, will they be able to last that long?
When Dana said "eventually Fedor will be in the UFC", I think he's really banking on Affliction's eventual demise, so he could be there to pick up the pieces.
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Good luck with that t-shirt guy, but I wonder what that contract will mean in a year when you’ve lost everything but the Affliction shirt on your back just curious?.
by Raker on Jul 14, 2009 5:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
at this point, I still think that Fedor is fine outside of the UFC. Affliction and Strikeforce seem to be willing to copromote, so fights with guys like Overeem, Werdum, Brett Rogers (if he stays on a roll) and Roger Gracie are all possibilities; not to mention HW free agents like Monson, or HW’s belonging to Japanese rosters like Pee Wee Herman, Bigfoot Silva, etc.
It would be cool to see Fedor/ Lesnar, though, but IMO Brock needs to at least defend the title before people start saying that this fight needs to happen.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 14, 2009 5:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And honestly
anyone says that he’s ducking top competition not fighting in the UFC is fucking retarded.
If you can honestly say that you think that guys like Lesnar, Mir, Nog, Couture, Carwin, Cain, Kongo, Gonzaga, and JDS are WAY better than guys like Sylvia, Arlovski, Barnett, Overeem, Werdum, Rogers, Monson, Roger Gracie, Antonio Silva, etc, then you’re probably a UFC fanboy.
Anyone with half a brain can tell that the competition is pretty much equivalent.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 14, 2009 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that you mention it...
Your UFC list is significantly better than the non-UFC list. Overeem is the only guy on there I would care to see Fedor fight.
by Popetastic on Jul 14, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Errr....
You’re counting an ass ton of guys that aren’t readily available for him to fight. This is like Supremacy level prospecting. The only one on that list that is, that he hasn’t already fought, would be Barnett. And he’s about to. Don’t be ridiculous..
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Yes, I can say that JDS is way better than Werdum, because JDS KNOCKED OUT WERDUM. I can say that Couture is way better than Sylvia because COUTURE OWNED SYLVIA, Nog is better than Barnett, Roger Gracie is like 2-0 against nobodies and Silva is still on a drug suspension.
Anyone with half a brain can say the majority of the HW talent in the world – and the VAST MAJORITY of talent that Fedor hasn’t already pulverized – is in the UFC.
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's ducking top competition not fighting in the UFC.
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedro isn’t ducking the competition, Finkie and the UFC are both in a position of strength at the moment so nothing is getting signed. This will only change when one party loses their position of strength, and my money is on Finkie cracking first. The question is will that happen before Fedro retires.
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by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didnt brock just defend his title?
and Carwin, Noguiera, Couture, Lesnar and Mir are all ranked higher than all the guys you mentioned except for Barnett… (plus brock will surely rise up the rankings, and could probably overtake barnett)
So I beg to differ, and i think that after fedor fights Barnett, the line of HW challengers gets thinner, so in terms of better competition, he is better off fighting at the UFC next.
So, the consensus are ‘fucking retarded’ or are ‘UFC fanboys’?
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 5:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But less than a year ago...
guys like Gomi, Hansen, Alverez, Kawajiri and Ishida were ranked above guys like Maynard, Florian, Sherk, Edgar and Griffin. The UFC HW bias is now roughly equivilant to the DREAM LW bias in that there is a concentration of them in the UFC fighting each other constantly. That inflates the rankings.
I would like to see him go fight Brock but he’s not out of options outside the UFC.
by B Money on Jul 14, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
There is no UFC heavyweight bias; bias’ have always been international. Then these guys come to the UFC and don’t fare as well and we go “Oh shit, maybe he wasn’t as good as suggested when all of these second tier guys were fighting each other”. The idea that people still believe Aoki could beat Penn is hilarious. I love Aoki, but he couldn’t beat BJ if he sat on the beach for six weeks and climbed into the octagon with a party keg belly and a ten day hangover.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Aoki could beat Penn. Penn could beat Aoki. Suggesting that the result of that fight is a forgone conclusion is ridiculous.
by GeeDub on Jul 14, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suggesting that Blackout’s point was that Aoki literally could not, ever, possibly beat Penn is ridiculous. Also, suggesting that Aoki has any appreciable or decent chance of beating Penn is ridiculous.
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by Rundownloser on Jul 14, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, Ill never get to see it to be proven wrong.
by GeeDub on Jul 15, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
The only fight left after Barnett is possibly against the newly beefed up Overeem, and that’s a stretch. Overeem is slower now, and he has yet to show an improved submission defense.
Rogers will get hurt badly in my opinion. He isn’t so much technical as he is just a load, and Fedor feeds on guys like that. Werdum doesn’t seem to present a problem in my mind, and Roger Gracie better find a standup game quickly. Monson is past his prime, and Herman would get crushed. Bigfoot Silva might not be a bad thing to watch, but IMO.. there isn’t anyone left.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 14, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New beefed up Overeem is a stretch?! Why? He is one of the best strikers in the HW division…..better than AA who everybody thought was worthy. Overeem also has a solid submission game and has a big weight advantage over Fedor. He is a tough opponent. Not a stretch at all. Who else poses a bigger threat?
Bigfoot Silva would be a good opponent too. Werdum…….depends on which werdum we see. Why do you dismiss Monson as a legit challenger as he is ‘past his prime’. His recent wins over Sergei, Ricco and Nelson show an ability to defeat solid strikers and grapplers. Hes is ridiculously strong, hasnt been submitted in over 30 fights and recently took Barnett to a decision.
Inside the UFC he would basically have to fight wrestlers like Cain, Brock, Carwin…..etc. who pose no real standup threat, outside a flash KO which anybody could do, or submission threat. Or if not wrestlers, then strikers with no ground game like Dos Santos or Barry or average strikers with reasonable ground games in Mir and Herring, who Fedor could destroy on the ground or on the feet. Fedor v Neg 4 anybody?
by GeeDub on Jul 14, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock just defended the title d00d.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lorenzo Fertitta also talked about signing Fedor during the Fan Expo:
The facts are the facts. We made him the best offer out there, more money than anybody offered him –- so you can’t say it’s about the money. Then they come back and they say, "Well, it’s a one-sided contract." Let’s break this down from a logical standpoint. We offered the exact same contract that three hundred other guys have signed, including Brock Lesnar, Chuck Liddell, Anderson Silva, GSP, all the top stars. Why is that contract not good enough for Fedor? What Fedor wants is this. He doesn’t want to be exclusive. So, it’s like saying, okay, Tom Brady: "I’m going to play for New England Patriots one Sunday, but you know what? After that game’s over, I want to be a free agent and go see where I can play for the rest of the season." Every weekend he’s going to skip around and play for whoever he wants. How does that make sense for us as a business or for the fans? He needs to come into our fold if he wants to cement his legacy as the best fighter in the world. We can figure something out with the sambo thing… (but) at the end of the day, I think we need to have a situation where at least 90 or 120 days before he’s signed a contract to fight, he shouldn’t be out there competing in events like that because I don’t want to take the chance of him getting hurt. But all of this stuff with Fedor: we want Fedor. As soon as he gets done with this show that he’s doing, he can come –- we’ve never met Fedor. I want to sit down. I want to talk to him and that’s part of the problem. We’ve never even met the guy. But it is a shame that he has not come forward to challenge the best guys in the world and I hope he comes. We want him.
[Sambo is] a big excuse for Fedor to say he’s not coming to the UFC, and quite honestly, I don’t think it’s Fedor. I think Fedor wants to compete. The issue has been his management. They’ve completely kept him aside. I’m not sure he even knows what we offered him, to be honest with you. I think if he knew what we offered, he would have been here a long time ago. There’s been a little bit of disconnect there… we want to meet him in person. We will not sit down and negotiate until me and Dana meet him in person. And if at that time he decides to not be a part of what we’re doing, then we know.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 5:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting
I think the ball is in Fedor’s court now …it seems the UFC will do what they can to bring him even allowing him to do sambo. So it remains to be seen what Fedor himself wants to do …honestly I’m not sure how thrilled he is to be taking Lesnar at this point. The way he pinned Mir down and suffocated him , technique can get you only this far …
by JoelMan on Jul 14, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it remains to be seen what Fedor himself wants to do …honestly I’m not sure how thrilled he is to be taking Lesnar at this point.
Uh oh……please dont tell me that was the start of people beginning to suggest that Fedor is ducking Lesnar??!!
by GeeDub on Jul 14, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How could u not suggest that ? Lesnar just stopped Randy and absolutely DESTROYED Mir . I’m one of the biggest Fedor nut huggers out there but I still see it how I see it – Lesnar is a BIG risk for anyone . For Fedor to come and fight him he’ll want to get paid , A LOT .
Can Fedor stop Lesnar from taking him down ? Does Fedor have enough power to escape the embarrassing position Mir was in most of the fight ? And standing up , can Fedor cause enough damage before being hit with one of the lunch-boxes ?
by JoelMan on Jul 14, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still doesn't mean he's ducking anyone..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor is absolutely not ducking Lesnar, nor will he ever.
However, the longer he stays away and Brock remains successful, the more that perception will grow. People will increasingly suggest that if he won’t come in and fight Lesnar, he isn’t the top heavyweight in the world.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lesnar has to defend twice. If he does, then there’s a legitimate discussion about who’s #1.
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree
I think it has everything to do with who he’s fought. Herring, Couture, Mir consecutively is very impressive. And the road from here is unclear, so it’s not as though he’s got a bunch of unfinished business in the UFC. He’s got some interesting fights, to be sure. But nobody has brought this up, so I will— Brock beating Couture and Mir is more impressive than Fedor beating Timmay and Arlovski. Would anyone care to disagree with that?
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If they do, I got your back.
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. Couture hadnt fought in more than 15 months and has always been a good but not great fighter. His recent record of 6w and 6l proves that. Not to mention the fact that Brock has a 60lb weight advantage over Couture. And Mir, whilst a solid fighter, has and had no business ever being in any top 10. In the last 5 years, Mir has a record of 4w and 3l with losses to Cruz and Vera and the only impressive win coming against Nog who was overweight, infected and generally terrible.
Fedor on the other hand defeated Sylvia, who had recently gone 7w and 2l going into the fight with wins over AA, Monson and Vera, and losses to Nog and Couture. Fedor was also at a distinct height and reach disadvantage.
And AA, was 8w and 2l on a 5 fight winning streak, 4 via (t)KO. Many people thought Fedor was in trouble due to AAs speed and power. Instead, BAM, Fedor got the KO over AA. Keep in mind, Fedor only has ever had 1 other clean KO, back in 2000. So he KOd the guy who was supposed to be the biggest test of his standup. Thats like Lesnar submitting Mir!
Lesnars opponents have average recent records, were overhyped by the UFC and went into the fights with a significant weight disadvantage.
Fedors opponents had more impressive recent records and went into the fights with height, weight and reach advantages. On top of this, Fedor finished both of them in the first round and beat them in the area that they were supposed to have the advantage.
by GeeDub on Jul 14, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So sylvia and AA weren't overrated?
Both just lost to unranked fighters in less than a minute.. If retired 100 year old boxer can beat sylvia, it really doesn’t seem like he did deserve his past ranking..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS
A win is a win. Everyone can find a way to discredit any accomplishments..but blackout does have a point that now Mir and randy look better than AA and timmy.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Timmeh needs to get his head straight so agree Timmeh looks like crap. I think AA is gonna bounce back. I think he was totally overlooking Rogers who was champing at the bit at the prospect of notching a win over a big name. Randy is the same Randy he has always been. Solid fighter floating in and out of the top 5-10. The Mir who lost to Lesnar is the same Mir who lost to Cruz and Vera and the same Mir who beat Lesnar. Good fighter, but not great…..sitting around the top 15.
by GeeDub on Jul 15, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends who ranked them and where they were ranked.Timmeh somewhere 5-10 seems ok and AA top 5 seems ok too.
by GeeDub on Jul 15, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If retired 100 year old boxer can beat sylvia, it really doesn’t seem like he did deserve his past ranking.
You appear to be making a judgement that ranking is somehow a prediction of how good a fighter will be. Therefore, when he loses, he somehow proves that he never deserved the ranking he had. Rankings to me reflect what a fighter has achieved in the past. So people might think a guy like Mir has a great future ahead of him with lots of potential and subsequently rank him highly. I see Mir as a guy with 3 losses to unranked fighters in his last 7 fights with only 1 top 10 win.
I dont understand the purpose of ranking on potential.
by GeeDub on Jul 15, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mir was never supposed to fight again after that leg injury. He couldn’t train worth shit during that period. Mir is not the same fighter as he was then.
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by iiowyn on Jul 15, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So when Mir was the UFC HW Champion, he shouldn’t have been top ten?
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The issue is 100% his manager, Vadim Finklestein. Finkie has his own promotion, M-1 Global, and uses Fedro to further said promotion.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going to be tough...
It’s going to be really tough for Affliction to take their promotion into 2012. To survive, they are going to have to get their payroll under control and get some really solid gates/buyrates. No promotion who pays Tim Sylvia 800k will survive.
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by MMAMoneyLine on Jul 14, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know, with all that money Affliction pays Fedor you would think he could do better then Cosby sweaters, at least wear an Affliction t-shirt.
by Calcos on Jul 14, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That sweater looks better than any Affliction eyesore.
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by Ubernoober on Jul 14, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amen brother!
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 16, 2009 4:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That might be the funniest comment i have seen here in a while, I love Cosby sweaters!! He should wear it out to his next fight!!
by Bucco169 on Jul 14, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Tom is playing word games here.
I’m bettting he is getting Fedor signed to an Affliction T-SHIRT deal till 2012, so that Fedor has to wear Affliction T-shirts even when he moves to the UFC.
by Razreshat on Jul 14, 2009 10:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here…….have a straw……no need to keep clutching at them.
by GeeDub on Jul 14, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So…
Affliction should sign Fedor to this contract that they cannot uphold, and then when they crash the UFC can just buy up the fighter contracts. Somewhat like Machida managed to maintain his image rights because he didn’t sign a standard UFC contract, we could see Fedor end up in the UFC while keeping all of the things that are important to him (sambo, promotion of other Russian fighters, etc.).
by Ahhhoki on Jul 14, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The UFC wants absolutely nothing to do with any contract Fedro has with Affliction. Affliction caved into just about every demand Finkie made.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Affliction caved into just about every demand Finkie made.
That’s one way to look at it. The other way of looking at it is that they became partners.
by madiq on Jul 14, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it really doesn’t make sense for Zuffa to become partners with M-1. They really only offer Fedor. the UFC brings everything else to the table.
The partnership with M1 didn’t work out with Monte Cox, and it really doesn’t look like it’s doing that much for Affliction. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens when/if M1 runs out of people that are willing to partner with them.
by Phildo on Jul 14, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only way Fedor joins an org is if a partnership, co-promotion, or deal is made. You get M-1 when you sign Fedor. The sooner people relize this, the easier it will to realize why Atencio and others don’t see Fedor in the UFC anytime soon.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what happens if Affliction can’t do it anymore? I know you don’t want to say it, but it’s a real possibility. Right now there is no Fedor without M-1. But if a time comes up when the UFC is the only org left, I don’t see them caving, so Fedor might have to.
by Phildo on Jul 14, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I see Strikeforce, DREAM, or Sengoku finding a way to make something happen with M-1. All depends on how “consensus” the view that Fedor is #1 in the World at the time.
Right now, Brock Lesnar’s position atop the UFC’s heavyweight division gives them more leverage, and that will continue to accrue, so long as he dominates his opposition. However, if Brock gets exposed as all hype, then Fedor regains that “undisputed” status, and with it, his leverage.
by madiq on Jul 14, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really see strikeforce doing it. It really just doesn’t seem worth it. No one has been able to make money out of this partnership except M1. Strikeforce is going slow and steady, this seems like it would just mess things up.
by Phildo on Jul 14, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeforce wants nothing to do with the costs for Fedro’s services.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore, we really don’t have any idea what representations the M-1 people have made to Fedor about the role that he’ll play in the company after his fighting career is over.
The more that I think about this, the more I can see Fedor and M-1 thinking of their brand like Oscar de la Hoya and Golden Boy, using Fedor’s international brand recognition to gain more and more goodwill and influence in the MMA world. It’s a risky proposition, but no more risky than attempting to “out-UFC” the UFC.
by madiq on Jul 14, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The partnership with M1 didn’t work out with Monte Cox, and it really doesn’t look like it’s doing that much for Affliction.
I think that if we objectively compare Affliction and Adrenaline, Monty Cox has done far more damage to his reputation running his promotion WITHOUT M-1 than Atencio has done running his promotion WITH M-1.
by madiq on Jul 14, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody – not even the hardcores – wants to see Fedor/Monson.
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There are definately worse fights out there. If the choice was between seeing Fedor fighting big fights twice a year and seeing him fight three fights a year and one of them being Monson, Id take option number 2.
by Rabbit915 on Jul 14, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if the other two fights are against Bo Bo the Bear and Hong Man Choi? That’s lunacy.
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No i meant if it was the same two fights plus the fight with monson. Im just saying people complain that hes above these guys but there arent enough guys at his level to be active so sometimes you have to take guys that are a step down.
by Rabbit915 on Jul 15, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over it.
As stated above, Fedor is just fine outside the UFC and like it or not, Dana has hitched his wagon to Lesner.
If Fedor ever does go to the UFC, he will 38 and on the decline. Unfortunate, but that is probably the likely reality.
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by BJJDenver on Jul 14, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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