MMA Roundup: EA vs Zuffa Brewing, HDNetFights Gets New "Voice", Affliction on Japanese PPV, UFC 100 Bad For MMA Being Reported?
EA Sports vs Zuffa War Officially Brewing
Lorenzo and Dana white had some real unpleasant words for EA Sports and tried to justify their lifetime ban against fighters outside of the UFC who sign with EA Sports. Here is what Dana White said, via MMAJunkie:
"EA Sports told us, 'You're not a real sport,'" White said. "'We wouldn't touch this thing. We want nothing to do with this.'"
"We put our asses on the line, THQ and the UFC, to make a video-game deal in the worst economy in the world," White said. "We go out there and do this thing, and it's successful, and now [expletive] EA Sports wants to do a video game. Really? That's not what you told us a year-and-a-half ago.
"You told us you'd never be in business with us. They wouldn't even take a meeting because mixed martial arts disgusted them. This wasn't a real sport. Boy, they got over that real quick, didn't they?"
White views EA Sports' tactics with obvious disapproval, and he's made it clear that any fighter who signs over their likeness to the new project will be blacklisted from the UFC.
"I'm not tap-dancing around this thing or whatever," White said. "I'm telling you straight-up, I'm at war with them right now. That's how I look at it."
While former UFC champion and currently contracted UFC fighter Randy Couture is expected to appear in the EA Sports offering – a matter White says the company worked through with "The Natural" during a recent court appearance – the UFC president said not to expect that trend to continue.
"You won't be in the UFC," White said about additional fighters who sign with EA Sports.
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"EA doesn't give a [expletive] about mixed martial arts. They made that very clear."
Here is what Lorenzo Fertitta said regarding EA Sports and the fighter ban:
"There is no such thing as banned, but this is something that does get under my skin and Dana’s skin because when we had the opportunity to go out and build a video game who do you think the first people we called was? EA Sports… We sat in the room with them and I would have cut a worse deal just to be with EA Sports. I wanted them so bad. They looked at them and they told us they didn’t think MMA was a sport. This was three years ago. They said the UFC was irrelevant and that we were wasting their time. So we went down the street and did a deal with THQ and they thought MMA was a sport. So we stick with the guys who stick with us. Now the UFC video game has been a massive success with three million copies sold. And guess what EA wants to do? They want to do an MMA game now… If you are young fighter coming up, it just makes sense to stay under the umbrella of UFC companies, sponsors and marketing to ensure yourself a cut of the action for the rest of your life."
Am I crazy, or does this sound like someone who got their feelings hurt a few years ago, can't take rejection well, and now is declaring war against them and backing up the one guy who believed in them? Now, is what Dana White saying true? Did EA reject the UFC have no interest in MMA? Well, lets look at the facts, starting with a quote from MMAPayout and Ivan Trembow:
That is some nice revisionist history ……. The launch (and sales success) of UFC 2009: Undisputed came in May 2009. EA Sports has been working on an MMA video game since 2008, and multiple media outlets wrote about it in 2008, including MMA Payout and the Wrestling Observer.
The UFC’s management was fully aware of the existence of EA’s MMA game in 2008, as that was one of the major reasons that the UFC threatened its roster of fighters into signing away their lifetime exclusive video game rights for free (ie, to ensure that they couldn’t appear in EA’s game).
Now let me take it further:
- Jan 14, 2007: UFC Signed a Deal With THQ, hoping to release their first game on 2007 or 2008.
- July 17 2007: Peter Moore Leaves Microsoft To Be Head Of EA Sports.
- Feb 27, 2008: Reports are out that EA has been working on an MMA game.
- May 2009: UFC Undisputed 2009 Launched.
First, we have Dana saying that 1.5 years ago, EA Sports was not interested in doing an MMA game. Actually, if you look at the time-line, EA Sports has been planning on working on an MMA game since Peter Moore became the head of EA Sports, and that was in 2007. This contradicts Dana's remarks that EA doesn't give a sh*t about MMA or that they are only doing it now because of the success of EA Sports. Lorenzo, on the other hand, didn't say 1.5 years ago like Dana, he said 3 years ago. In that time, EA and EA Sports had a different regime, led by Larry Probst and whoever was running EA sports at the time, and their priority was to establish their baby, Fight Night, as the #1 combat sport video game. It makes sense that the UFC was rejected back then, since boxing meant a whole lot to EA back then. Now, as Peter Moore joined EA Sports, he has proclaimed that EA can't just have Madden and Fight Night as yearly titles. Since he took over, he has been a proponent for MMA (not just UFC) and other extreme sports. How did Peter Moore handle such an attack by Zuffa?
Peter Moore responds today in regards to the allegations made by Zuffa that EA doesn't care about MMA:
"I also saw the first playable of EA SPORTS MMA while at Tiburon last week. We have a team of incredibly hardcore fans of the sport working hard and making excellent progress, and we look forward to delivering a title in 2010 that we believe will provide further focus and attention to the sport.
I know there has been some recent discussion about EA SPORTS bringing a challenger to this sport. I love mixed martial arts, and we've been working on a game concept since I came to (sic) two years ago. I have great respect for the organizations and individuals that have invested in the sport's growth over the past decade – so this is one that is near and dear to me and I'm excited to see such good progress to date. I trace my MMA video game roots back to my support of Crave's UFC title on the Dreamcast in 2000, and have been a fan ever since.
* Note he mentions "respect for the organizations and individuals that have invested in the sport's growth over the past decade", without once addressing White's and the UFC's allegations that EA is showing anything but respect.
You can see what the UFC is trying to do here, and that is, turn all MMA fans against EA, saying that they don't care about the sport, and are only here to make a quick buck. Again, the UFC has said this before and is nothing new to try to get its loyal fans against its competitors (see Affliction and EliteXC for examples). The UFC and Dana White are masters at manipulating their fan base and turning them against whomever they point at. They are exercising that power now against EA, and it will be quite intriguing to see how EA handles the bullying currently being applied by the UFC (which is also ironic since EA is usually the one being accused of bullying others in the video game industry).
Either way, Peter Moore and EA Sports seem to have the most respect for MMA and all promotions and aspect of the sport. Their entire team down at Florida train and practice MMA, and love the sport. I will leave this topic with this quote from Peter Moore and the EA group:
Our title will bring both innovation and further authenticity to mixed martial arts, not to mention a strong global publishing network that will help spread the sport's popularity around the world.
Fight Linker has their own opinion about the EA vs Zuffa "war":
Pretty good argument if you ask me. Dana White rages against the company that spit in OUR faces and told US that OUR sport is trash. But now that the UFC video game did so well, EA has come along and wants to cash in! THOSE FUCKERS! It’s goddamn rousing. But it rings less true when you know like Dana obviously knows that EA has been working on this game for over a year and a half now, not just since the UFC game was released last month. They’ve already got their game to the point that it’s playable.I know EA rushes it’s games out the door, but only starting the game after the UFC’s game sold well would be E.T. on the Atari levels of rush.
So lemme ask you: if EA has been working on an MMA video game for years, do you think they spat in Dana White’s face and told him to stick his loser bloodsport bullshit up his ass where it belongs? Or do you think it might be more likely that they simply lost the bid for the UFC franchise to THQ? And do you really think Dana White was “at war” with EA a few weeks ago when their ads were plastered all over the octagon and a 5 minute preview was played during the TUF 9 broadcast?
That’s what’s so fucked up about all this: Dana’s whole article is 100% FUCKING SPIN. And it’s pretty epic spin at that. Typically you don’t see this level outside of politics, which is what I find so creepy about the whole thing. Dana White is basically trying to create an emotional justifications for the dickish things the UFC is doing. And his giant posse of fans are lapping it up and repeating it, not even questioning why in this ‘war’ with Electronic Arts, the only ones taking any damage are fucking fighters.
Watch Kalib Run also put in their 2 cents on the matter:
According to Moore, development began in 2007 which is when THQ announced that they were developing a UFC licensed MMA video game. Though didn't give any details regarding the studio developing the game or the game itself. There was a memorable trailer featuring Quinton Jackson and Chuck Liddell in 2007 right around UFC 71.
Lorezno Fertitta states that they went to EA three years ago, making it around 2006, but EA was unwilling to do business. WKR contacted EA Sport PR and they directed us to Peter Moore's blog. In Moore's statement he tells us that EA was developing the game since he got there. So there is room for this supposed UFC-EA meeting before Moore took over the leadership role.
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Since THQ's MMA license is already on the market, and EA's is slated for 2010, a full year behind if it is released in May, it stands to reason that THQ had a year's head start. That would put THQ's development cycle at 2006 the time that Fertitta talks about the supposed EA meeting.
Affliction Trilogy Will Be Available to the Japan Via PPV
Kamipro reports that Affliction Trilogy will indeed be available for Japanese MMA fans, as I reported a few weeks ago. I also wrote that Gomi fighting on the Trilogy card would make the most sense, and would be huge for Affliction and M-1 to at least make it tempting for Japanese fans, although buying PPV's in outside of the USA is not something that can be counted as a reliable or substantial monetary stream.
Josh vs Fedor on 8.1.09, AFFLICTION'S Decision For Japan PPV broadcast
PRIDE fight of the century never took place, will be Fedor Emelianenko vs Josh Barnett, 8.1, AFFLICTION, Sky PerfecTV! The PPV will be broadcast!
8月1日(土)米国カリフォルニア州アナハイム『アフリクション』PPV放送決定 Saturday, August 1, Anaheim, California, AFFLICTIONON PPV broadcas
"The Voice" Becomes HDNet's New MMA Voice
MMAPayout reports that "The Voice" and Guy Mezger are the new MMA commentators for HDNet. Mike Schiavello has just signed a 3 year deal with HDNet:
On tonight’s edition of Inside MMA it was announced that Michael Schiavello will be the new voice of MMA on HDNet. MMAPayout.com has learned that the deal’s term is three years. Schiavello is currently the English language announcer for K-1 and is known for his flamboyant style. He will be paired with MMA legend Guy Mezger in the HDNet Fights broadcast booth.
With Intensified Coverage of UFC 100, Was UFC 100 Good For The Sport? Media Quick To Point Out Negativity Revolving Around UFC 100
From Jonothan Snowden - UFC 100, Bad For The Sport:
This was MMA’s coming out party, only they weren’t announcing themselves as the next great sport, the one that replaces boxing in America. This was simply a new competitor for pro wrestling, a crass pseudo-sport with all the mainstream appeal of monster truck rallies, an inevitable cultural relic. I guess there’s always UFC 200 to make a second impression.
From Ivan Trembow's blog:
-I realize that Brock Lesnar is just playing a heel pro wrestling character, but the casual fans who make up a big percentage of the audience for such a huge show wouldn't know that. They would just think that's how the UFC Heavyweight Champion behaves. You don't have to play a trashy heel pro wrestling character to be a superstar, and one doesn't need to look any further than Georges St. Pierre on the very same event for evidence of that.
-The clip of Brock Lesnar screaming in his semi-conscious opponent's face and then slobbering all over the camera like a bad 1980s pro wrestler made it onto the overnight SportsCenter. So did the clip of Dan Henderson punching his already-unconscious opponent's head.
Between these two things and the recent E:60 segment about Dana White's obscene rant, I don't think that the average ESPN viewer has a very good impression of MMA at this point. Neither does the average potential advertiser, for that matter....
-I didn't catch it on the live broadcast, but all of the quotes from Dan Henderson’s post-fight interview include Henderson openly saying that he knew Michael Bisping was unconscious and he hit him one more time anyway. That is just classless garbage. At least he didn't throw two more punches at his unconscious opponent's head after the ref was literally pulling him off (like Quinton Jackson did against Wanderlei Silva), but it's still classless garbage.
Zach Arnold points out Skip Bayless (ESPN) and his thoughts on UFC 100:
Still have suspicions about UFC, and Brock Lesnar only added to ‘em. Went straight wrestling villain. Felt staged. Proceed at own risk.
This is the other edge of the dual-edged sword in terms of having Lesnar as the face of your company and as the face of MMA. And I’m not talking about that tattoo on his chest, either.
PTI also had their own thoughts as Lesnar being the face of the UFC.
MMARatings along with others found Lesnar's actions unacceptable on MMA's biggest stage:
If you want to watch unsportsmanlike, unprofessional, and white trash behavior by a bunch of apes with no intelligence, go back to watching WWE - I hear they're looking for viewers. But until Lesnar gets his ass kicked to the curb we'll be boycotting UFC fights, as long as he's on the card. He's not worth a dime. Oh, and I'm not a real big beer drinker, let alone am I a fan of Budweiser. But as soon as the stores open for biz, I'm getting me a nice tall one...cheers!
Kevin Blackistone at AOL Fanhouse:
"I was so jacked up [because] I’m used to selling pay-per-view tickets," Lesnar, who was a professional wrestler on the WWE circuit until a few years ago, told reporters. "I come from a business that is purely entertainment. I screwed up, and I apologize."
Wow. Call me underwhelmed.
There isn’t a sports commissioner worth his or her suit coat who would take Lesnar’s mea culpa as enough punishment for the superfecta of fouls Lesnar just committed. They’d have him on indefinite suspension as I write and getting ready to cough up part of his purse as restitution.
But that isn’t what the UFC is all about. It’s not about being spectacular; it’s about being a spectacle.
John Ryan in the San Jose Mercury News:
"That’s not who Brock really is, and what he did out there is not real," White said. "You don’t have to act like someone you’re not. This isn’t the WWE. I’m not trying to get someone to act all crazy so we’ll do more pay-per-views. That’s not what this sport is about."
No, not at all, not what this sport is about. This is the same Dana White whose previous foray into mainstream sports media was a homophobic and sexist rant, in the most vile terms possible, against a reporter who had gotten a story entirely correct but in a manner that displeased White. So, yeah, White apologizing for etiquette doesn’t carry a whole lot of truth.
Shawn Falkenstein in the West Virginia Metro News:
UFC 100 Set Back The Sport Of Mixed Martial Arts
I'm disappointed in the way things went down at UFC 100.
I am a huge mixed martial arts fan. I love the sport and am hopeful that someday people can really have a better understanding of it and give it the respect it deserves. So, even if you are not a fan, please hear me out.
I think UFC 100 really set the sport back.
It was a huge showcase because of all the hype and coverage it was getting from mainstream sports media like ESPN, CBS and Fox leading up to the pay-per-view event and then two things happened that really hurt.
1) Dan Henderson hit an obviously knocked out Michael Bisbing and then "joked" about it afterward and 2) Brock Lesnar acted like a WWE wrestler after he beat up Frank Mir by taunting him and then flipping off the crowd, not to mention throwing the event's main sponsor under the bus.
Neither of those things were good for the image of the sport.
What has been our (MMA Community) response to all the heat we've been getting from the mainstream? It seems as if we are either ignoring them, or saying, well, we DONT NEED YOU. I don't think taking the meat-head approach on this issue is the best way to handle the negative criticism, in my opinion. It only prolongs the negative stereotype's associated in our sport and to its fans, and I KNOW we can be better than that.
This is something ALL OF US should do. Sit down and think about who the faces of MMA are. Well, here they are, Kimbo and Brock Lesnar. Yes, that is correct, a pro wrestler with a bad attitude and a backyard brawler. These are currently the faces of MMA. So, it is not so hard to believe why the mainstream media (who we are now saying FU, we don't need you) have a negative image of our sport. This whole attitude of you are either with us or against us is very eerie of UFC's motto (ask EA), who reminds me of the unpopular kid at high school who got bullied and beat up for years only to come back for his 10 year reunion with a nice car and a hot wife, just to say FU a**holes. Like I said, I think we are better than that, and the negative connotation associated with MMA won't be shed anytime soon. It will hold this sport back further from becoming an accepted and recognized sport, and not just a spectacle.
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You're totally misinformed
The EA game for in a holding pattern for over a year. Even the Viking Photog guy who frequents this site said that he provided photography to them over a year ago and they disappeared, even though there was more work to be done. They put the thing on ice until they could see if it would be profitable. This is EA. We all know you hate the UFC, but don’t pretend to be a videogame expert, too, to further your agenda.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Rather ….was in a holding pattern for over a year.
Also, for a sports game developed by EA (who turns out iterations of all of their sports titles every 12 months), how are those screen shots looking? Or the roster of fighters they’re modeling? Errr… Wait… No fucking such thing. Real good guy..
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I love mixed martial arts, and we’ve been working on a game concept since I came to (sic) two years ago.
Peter Moore
I also have a quote from 1Up saying that EA was working on an MMA game and the concept in Early 2007. It could have been in a holding pattern over a year, but it still doesn’t mean that they weren’t interested in making an MMA game in 2007, which was my point.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re hilarious. Videogame companies have dozens of games in pre-production limbo. This is EA. They probably have concept and pre-production on 100 titles right now. I’d bet my lunch money they’ve got a swimming title in pre-production on account of the last Olympics and Michael Phelps success. You’re just grabbing at straws here… Video game companies, particularly the biggest third party in the world, do tons of prospecting to stay ahead of trends. It doesn’t indicate any serious interest in the sport and the suggestion is a product of total misinformation on the gaming industry.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Rec’d.
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The movie industry works exactly the same way. Being “in development” means that there is a 2% chance of a movie being actually made.
by Jahbulon on Jul 14, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zactly
You have any idea how long I’ve wrang my fists over the Chuck Palahniuk book Survivor that has been in production limbo since 1999 to finally begin shooting? A fucking decade, and they still say it could be made.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Survivor is pure genius.
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by TheViking83 on Jul 16, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you like the Vikings. You’re my new best friend.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’d… for the chuck palahniuk reference..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 17, 2009 6:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peter Moore and 1up reported EA was working on an MMA game since 2007. That’s it, plain and simple. Those are facts. It does not matter that it was put on hold, etc. Since Moore came over to EA sports, making an MMA game was part of their goal.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EA doesn’t work on sports game for more than a 12 month cycle. There is no roster, they’re still working on signing fighters, not a single solitary screen has been shown, not even a target render like they do for Madden, NBA Live and NHL. Don’t have a temper tantrum because you absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
LOL, you are talking about NBA Live, NHL XX, and Madden, games that have a new version of the game every year (hence the 12 month cycle) and have been produced since the 90’s. LOL. A brand new game and concept needs more than a 12 month cycle to be released. A ton of the work is done in the concept and research before hand.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why no screenshots?
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a playable build already for EA MMA. Screen shots will be released soon.
Aside from revealing that he’s seen a playable build of EA’s MMA title – which lacks the UFC license – Moore says…
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peter Moore could say EA built a time machine, and he got to try it first
He fucking works for EA. The point isn’t that it doesn’t exist, it’s that you haven’t seen it and it’s getting rushed out the door for fiscal two 2010 so EA can get your 60 bucks. Yes, you specifically. I hope you get the 100 dollar limited edition with the Fedro belt buckle and Werdum lunchbox and you blindly support a company that was vehemently against supporting MMA two years ago. You know, since you’re an ardent defender of the sport and all..
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
You just described THQ’s plan and everyone other video game company who puts out a game. Good job.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who said anything about charity? We’re talking about the support of the sport; that’s the root issue that you’re refuting. Did you forget your own stilted argument?
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Nope, didn’t forget, and if you read my original post, its all in there.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget the special edition Aoki pants that wouldn’t be allowed under the Unified Rules.
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit… I think you now have the record for most recommended comments IN A SINGLE THREAD :)
by mmalogic on Jul 14, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
High praise.
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by Richard Wade on Jul 14, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Well to be fair...
there COULD be a build. I think you may want to be safer than saying it “doesn’t exist” because there is a CHANCE and you don’t know for sure.
I’m not saying there is…just that I’ve…heard things that would indicate that you should probably say there is a CHANCE
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 15, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA
This is the end of this portion of our argument. THIS IS EA. If you don’t understand what that means, you’re more clueless than you come off.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love how
the UFC says one thing, EA says another and you’re oh-so quick to trust whoever is not the UFC.
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by J. B. Maddox on Jul 14, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are plenty of people here who do exactly the opposite.
by a tommy point on Jul 14, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is also true.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana – “You told us you’d never be in business with us. They wouldn’t even take a meeting because mixed martial arts disgusted them. This wasn’t a real sport.”
Thats a blatant lie. Thats why Supremacy doesnt trust them. Its proven that they have been developing a game for some time. That doesnt sound like it disgusts them.
by GeeDub on Jul 14, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is called bandwagon jumping and money grabs, they have “been developing” many many many many more games than they ever come out with. They are essentially pulling a Shaw.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You repeat many things that others tell you, I see.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that is not exactly correct, either.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I repeat what other people say, I am not an expert on everything. However I do my research and check my experience against what I hear and read, and let that gauge if what other people say is true. Then I repeat what they say.
Unlike you, who posts links to anything and everything that will support your agenda, and then copy and paste and retread ad infintum.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 15, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe they were uncertain about the mma game. Maybe they wanted to see how the UFC game went first. Maybe they wanted to pickup on the errors in the THQ game and improve them. I dont know. But clearly they were interested in developing a game to some extent, which Dana blatantly goes against.
by GeeDub on Jul 15, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not even going to get into the rest of your bullshit that I just waded through. You made Kimbo and Brock synonymous and said they’re the faces of MMA? Not Liddell, not Dana White, not Rampage, not GSP? You’re abhorrent and delusional… I don’t even know why I waste my time reading your propaganda.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brock Lesnar is the face of MMA after UFC 100 to casual fans and main stream media, just like Kimbo was after the CBS shows. Go look and see who was on ESPN’s front page. They could have picked GSP, Hendo, etc no. It was Brock Lesnar.
Also, I didn’t write those quotes from newspapers and websites around the MMA community. I am sharing what I think is something worth discussing in an MMA website.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What the fuck does that have to do with Kimbo? You’re creating a parallel to be controversial. You think that sort of desperation isn’t clear to everyone here?
Kimbo is, right now, the face of MMA?? You’re something else..
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, what?
http://www.google.com/trends?q=kimbo,lesnar,gsp
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because a bunch of idiots like Kimbo doesn’t mean he’s the ‘face of MMA’. He was never the face of MMA to anyone that knew anything about MMA.
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, the whole point of the conversation was mainstream media and casuals.
Go do a Google Trend on Kimbo, Lesnar, and GSP.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, fuck the mainstream media and casuals also love Brock. Your point?
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Notice
How Kimbo was an okay guy until he signed on for TUF. I’ve don’t remember him attacking him once before now. I still think he’s not a real mixed martial artist and never will be, but I’m not a flip-flopper like what’s his face up there.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no flipping or flopping – simply placing different items on a slanted table. Kimbo moved himself down the table by signing with Zuffa. It’s not Supremacy’s fault that Kimbo did such a thing.
Man, I wish I could stay away from his posts.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, I am sure no one criticized Kimbo before he joined TUF right? LOL.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not you.
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Show me where you criticized Kimbo, once, before he signed with TUF.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't duck the question
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by SSreporters on Jul 14, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will because he never criticized Kimbo before he signed with Zuffa.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's simple, really
He quietly hoped for him to be successful so he wouldn’t have to stick his neck out, then the moment he touched Zuffa soil, he became the guy we all (vocally, no less) already knew he was.
We don’t really have to call this guy out on anything; he’s been sitting in the pan so long, he’s stir fried.
I poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s good to point out to other people that he simply refuses to answer questions that he can’t.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha...
You guys are hilarious. Kimbo was always a way for EliteXC to get ratings on CBS, and the entire MMA community was pissed because he was becoming the most recognizable name in MMA. Now, you guys are getting mad because I didn’t write a post about why Kimbo was bad for MMA? Why would I have to when there were tons of posts and articles doing that already. If he wins TUF or performs just decently, he will be pushed by the UFC just as much and his popularity will grow even more. Will he still be a good representation of the sport?
My point was that a pro wrestler who just flicked everyone off and a back yard brawlers are becoming the face of MMA, and I can see how the casual fan or media may get a negative glimpse of what MMA is.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what you’re saying is you never criticized Kimbo before he joined TUF. Thanks.
You never criticized EXC for using Kimbo, but you’re criticizing the UFC for using Brock. You are incredibly biased.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, I admitted I never wrote a post specifically to criticize Kimbo (and I didn’t have to since I just commented on posts where he was being criticized already).
Did you guys write any posts defending Kimbo back then?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is defending Kimbo. Absolutely nothing in this dialogue suggests that Kimbo is being defended.
Are you seriously that deluded?
I poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I didn’t, because I thought EXC was making a mockery of MMA by selling that guy as ‘the best HW striker in the game’. They gave him fights against cans and tried to pretend like he was a worldbeater. For these reasons, Brock and Kimbo cannot be compared, because Brock went through a murderer’s row to get where he is.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You still don’t get it huh? I am not doing anything. The press is doing the work. The only way I am comparing is that the main stream is criticizing either their backgrounds or antics.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is both good press and bad press on the UFC and Brock Lesnar. You choose a segment and put a question mark after it.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he need a exorcism. He’s haunted by the ghost of Tom Attencio.
I poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
The face of MMA should be collegiate mixed martial artists. Not former garbagemen (GSP), homeless guys (Tanner) or dudes crushing cars in monster trucks (Rampage).
What, exactly, are your prerequisites? PHD? And if Kimbo is successful, shouldn’t he be…. successful? No one was ever arguing that. And no one asked you to write one of these doozies about how terrible Kimbo is, but now your awfully loud about how bad he is for the sport, when you’re so late to the party there are maggots on the crudate.
Kimbo is the deplorable face of MMA when he’s a Zuffa guy! Even though he’s significantly less popular than he used to be.. Way to go champ.
I poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe TUF 10 will be starting soon, correct?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
9/16/09
After UFN 19: Diaz vs. Guillard
"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg
by SSreporters on Jul 14, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo has what credentials?
And he was a joke as soon as he went up against James Thompson and everyone found out that he wasn’t this maniac unstoppable killer. Ratings did jack and as soon as he lost people stopped watching.
Even if Brock loses people will always be watching.
"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg
by SSreporters on Jul 14, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People never stopped watching Kimbo after he lost. Kimbo hasn’t fought since he lost, so we don’t know. What I can tell you is that TUF 10 will get high ratings because of Kimbo, correct?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, wait, wait.....
So you’re projecting that he’s the past and future face of MMA? You must be dizzy right now..
I poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact that the first nine seasons of the show were also successful.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right. I am sure they were all equally successful, right? I am sure they all get the same high ratings, and this TUF 10 season will get around the same, right? =D
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo will help – if he wasn’t, you wouldn’t even mention him, but since he can help Zuffa, now he’s something to worry about.
That you never worried about before.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, I’m not worried about Kimbo. Only reason I brought him up is that he is associated with MMA.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was associated with MMA before and you never brought him up. Hell, he was the ‘face’ according to you and you never talked about him – until now.
What changed?
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, every other post was about Kimbo and EliteXC before. What are you talking about…LOL. I posted my opinions plenty around the blogs.
You guys realize I didn’t really write my posts on BE much back then, right?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, every other post was about Kimbo and EliteXC before. What are you talking about…LOL. I posted my opinions plenty around the blogs.
You guys realize I didn’t really write my own posts much back then, right?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Find one time you criticized Kimbo
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How to draw a circle
Sure, I am sure no one criticized Kimbo before he joined TUF right? LOL.
Not you.
LOL, right.
Show me where you criticized Kimbo, once, before he signed with TUF.
Show me where I praised him. =D
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
You know what the funny part is. My article was how we respond as an MMA community to negative criticism and how we have this “your either with us or against us, we don’t need you, FU” attitude. All you have to do is read these posts to see how what I said was correct, and you guys acted like what I said in my post.
Ain’t that funny.
=D
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You never criticized Kimbo before he joined TUF, now you are.
Anyone here that can’t see through Supremacy, please let me know now so I can avoid you in the future.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where did I criticize Kimbo again, other than me saying that he was a face of MMA (which was the case during the CBS and EliteXC stint) or Lesnar (in which I am saying is becoming the new face of MMA).
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was ‘backyard brawler’ a compliment? You’re a joke.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WTF? Did I make that up? I am pretty sure I can find a Youtube video or something.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again. Joke.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, that is what I say about most of your comments.
What do you want me to call Kimbo? A BJJ practitioner, ex wrestler, or former amateur boxer?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Brock is a former pro wrestler to you when he’s an accomplished amateur wrestler to me. You simply assign poor qualities to them because they were with Zuffa, and you don’t when they’re not – like you didn’t with Kimbo before he signed with Zuffa.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OMG..LOL. You still don’t get it.
Read why I said that. I said, I can see why the main stream or the casual fan can have a negative perspective when they can say about two of the most recofnized figures in MMA: Lesnar is a pro wrestler who is flicking off the crowd or Kimbo who is a back yard fighter.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOL, UFC = MMA in North America. The face is usually tied to a fighter.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah i’ll say it slowly
U F C I S T H E F A C E O F M M A
when you go to yahoo sports and look for an mma section you’ll quickly find put there is none. but there is a section that says UFC.
UFC is mma’s face right now, a few yrs ago Pride and UFC were kinda like Two-Face from Batman.
but right now ufc is the face and affliction,strikeforce,dream,shengoku, and bellator are ugly pimples
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
and this is coming from a pride humper
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing EA Sports has going for them is that it’s Peter Moore at the helm, he’s the video game industry version of Dana White. If he’s talking about it then it exists and more competition means both games are going to be pulling out all the stops.
EA for once is going to be the underdog so it will be really interesting to see how they’ll make up for their tiny roster, hopefully the gameplay makes up for the missing content.
by pr0cs on Jul 14, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why don’t you look at the release date of UFC Undisputed 2009 and the date when EA officially announced they are coming out with a MMA game. You have all those other dates, yet conveninetly forget to put these two in there. I will do it for you, May 22nd UFC Undisputed is released, and two weeks later, June 6, EA announces they are coming out with a MMA game.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes, but the game had been planned since 2007.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blackout demolished that point above:
You’re hilarious. Videogame companies have dozens of games in pre-production limbo. This is EA. They probably have concept and pre-production on 100 titles right now. I’d bet my lunch money they’ve got a swimming title in pre-production on account of the last Olympics and Michael Phelps success. You’re just grabbing at straws here… Video game companies, particularly the biggest third party in the world, do tons of prospecting to stay ahead of trends. It doesn’t indicate any serious interest in the sport and the suggestion is a product of total misinformation on the gaming industry.
If Michael Phelps dies tomorrow and EA puts out a ‘RIP Michael Phelps Swimming’, they can claim that it’s been planned for years by simply blowing the dust off of the very early stage ideas for the game. You’re just so damned dishonest, Supremacy. Why didn’t you include those dates?
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It still doesn’t matter. If EA didn’t give a sh*t, they would be finding out a way for Fight Night to destroy MMA. Peter Moore has always been a proponent of MMA since he joined EA in 2007.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody’s disputing that. What’s in dispute is whether or not EA gave the UFC the bird a few years ago and then tried to capitalize when they saw a money making opportunity instead of a genuine interest to grow the sport.
Just like every shitty promoter and disinterested billionaire that invests in shitty promoters, EA cared about one thing (money) while Zuffa cared about another (MMA). I applaud Dana for finding a company (THQ) that was willing to take a risk.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell does that mean?
They’re a videogame publisher. They’re in the business of making money. What does that have to do with the promotion of boxing as a sport? You’re not making any ground here, d00der..
I poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only by enlisting EA with his motley crew of non-UFC orgs and fighters can Supremacy hope to ever take down Zuffa. For this to happen, EA must magically turn from a profit-generating mechanism to an altruistic MMA fan willing to risk losing money for the good of the sport.
It’s the most delusional thing I’ve ever seen.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't even know why we come here to argue with this guy
The UFC is and likely will forever be the king of the hill. This shit makes you and me out to be UFC whores when it’s clear to everyone here that we love the other org’s too. I just can’t stand MMA snobbery, or being a snob about most any popular media..
I poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Somebody’s got to try to keep him honest.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will say, at least you are beginning to be more honest about your agenda. That said, this is some of the most biased drivel I have read in quite a while. The stuff about Affliction on Japanese PPV is interesting once you ignore where you pat yourself on the back, and I hadn’t heard anywhere that Schiavello had signed with HDNet. Everything else is just focusing on the negative and pretending like there is nothing positive.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t pretend there wasn’t anything positive. Why am I going to write about the positive when my article title is Media Saying UFC 100 Was Bad for the sport? I just think that we are ignoring these stories and just focusing on the positive ones, and I think its important to see why the event was seen as negative by some media.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think we are ignoring the negative stories about UFC 100 you must not have read the front page in the last two days.
And once again, there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 14, 2009 5:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
dude everyone here sees what you are doing stop arguing and just admit it. If you just admit you have an agenda then we would at least respect you a little more
by JaTinkles on Jul 15, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
All I remember reading on BE since 100
Is bad quotes from the media.
You claim alot that you don’t write articles because other people have already written them (i.e. pro UFC articles) However positive quotes from the media are lacking, and UFC being shunned by Mainstream has been done to death.
That said, I do agree with your point about the hardcores reacting in a ‘We don’t need the mainstream’ way, which should have been the focus of your article.
As for the video game issue, both sides are spinning, but dropping your side in an article like this won’t help you any. There is also the point that it is still extremeply possible that EA told Dana and Lorenzo to gtfo when they had their first meeting, which in a business sense, is not a great way to build relationships.
by Well Read Idiot on Jul 15, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well Said Idiot
Rec’d.
I poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Jul 15, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last weeks Inside MMA show announced Schiavello to be doing the announcing for MMA on HDnet, old news…
by Reaser16 on Jul 14, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, although, MMAPayout confirmed it was a 3 year deal and he was working with Guy Mezger on the booth.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zuffa by first round destruction
This is drivel. Zuffa just put on the most wildly successful card in the history of the sport, crowned an undisputed HW champion and people like Snowden decide to bitch about it. Am I supposed to give a shit what Skip fucking Bayless thinks about MMA? Nothing will change these dinosaur’s minds – nada. Zilch. They have hated MMA forever and now Brock gives them a new excuse.
Kimbo became the face of MMA by beating James Thompson while Brock did it by beating Heath Herring, Randy Couture and Frank Mir within a year. So that comparison is bullshit, too.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Skip called KG Garr-NOT for years and said he would never win a title
He’s a bozo and a member of the old guard. For a guy to say he’s a hardcore MMA fan— more hardcore than the likes of us UFC bottom feeders— then insist that the opinions of these out-of-touch talking heads is somehow meaningful to the growth of our sport after 1.5 million PPV’s were sold last Saturday— is total lunacy. He claims he posted this shit to show the other side, but you don’t see him writing entire stories quoting Michael Wilbon when he continually detests and insults our sport as a whole. Why? Because that doesn’t include King Fedro and Uncle Attencio. Jokes, man… Jokes.
I poop rainbows.
by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also tried to out Troy Aikman, who is not actually gay. Pointing to Bayless as anything other than a laughingstock is counterproductive.
by An Old Friend on Jul 14, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Read my post again and see what I wrote about MMA fans reacting to criticism from the mainstream media.
=D
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shawn Falkenstein can't even spell 'Bisping' correctly
And Ryan thinks Loretta Hunt got that story right. Murderer’s row of fucking brainpower right there.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Just don't waist your time
It’s been obvious that MMA Supremacy has had an agenda against UFC since day one. He talks about all the negative press the UFC has gotten, but didn’t mention that the lead story on shows such as Around the Horn, PTI, and Sportscenter was about Brock Lesnar and many of the columnists who admittedly don’t like the UFC or the sport of MMA said he was actually good for the sport.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Jul 14, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The exposure was excellent for the sport. But if you read my article, I wrote that with the extra exposure, some negativity will come from the media and main stream.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the extra exposure, some negativity will come from the media and main stream.
Which I will then focus on and trumpet as evidence that Zuffa is bad for MMA.
In other news, the sky is blue.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, who said Zuffa was bad for MMA? They have been great for the sport, specially in North America.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah zuffa is great for the sport.but secretly you know you think they’re bad.
and i’m tired of this crap:ufc is great….in north america,zuffa is king… in north america
i was a huge pride fan b4 their takeover so don’t insult our intelligence by implying that somehow dream,shengoku, and affliction or anywehere close to having a lock on the other side of the globe or a large piece of the pie in terms of the sport
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Until Zuffa runs a show in Japan, China, Korea, Philippines, etc, its hard to say. Although, it is obviously in their plans, so we will see.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well no other promotion has ever had several events and appearances here in the Philippines..
I’m pretty sure they’re bigger than every other promotion.. more people know and love the UFC here compared to any other org, (even local orgs like URCC)… so i really don’t know what youre talking about..
there is no, ’it’s hard to say’ and no ‘….in north america.’ …They’re good and no one even comes close.. period.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m just saying in order for them to be the face of MMA world wide, they actually have to run shows over there first.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are the face here in the Philippines...
UFC shows are on all the time for FREE.. lots of people go to viewing parties.. They even love the UFC more than local orgs.. People here love MMA and other fight sports, and they love the UFC even more…
They don’t have to run a show here to convince people that they’re the face of MMA.. They already know that.. Youre just too biased to admit it..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean in places like Japan, Kore, China, etc.
I mean, the PI is pretty American, so I would expect so.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and supremacy, i've said that i liked your posts before, especially if it's about real NEWS...
but i’ll be honest, the quality of your shit gets worse and worse… and i’m tending to read your stuff less and less..
Just please make better posts already.. My giant salt shaker for your blatant biases doesn’t seem to be enough anymore.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should skip through all the bs and go straight to the news. I think its pretty good. I mean, its not like I make up the stuff I quote. What wasn’t “real” news on here.
Eh, maybe I will stop writing altogether. It will make people happy on BE not to deal with my “baised” views anymore. More free time for me as well. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is, you have blatant agendas.. as is BIG ASS BLATANT FUCKING agendas..
I just call it as i see it.. don’t think i’m bashing you for no reason, cause every time you have good posts, i give you credit for it.. This just looks like hey look, i hate zuffa, lets find stuff to hate on them for..
If you stick to reporting stuff like some of the posts you did before instead of.. whatever you call this.. You’d get less hate and maybe even get a few props.. Is that really hard to understand?
you can even read the comments of this post, and the one about Dana you made, and compare it to some of the news where you actually do report stuff and slightly hide those biases, you’d notice a HUGE difference in opinion..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
No matter how it happens anything that brings more pub to the UFC is gonna bring some negativity. It has nothing to do with Brock Lesnar, MMA is always gonna be blackballed by these old school MSM pricks.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 14, 2009 5:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
You also don’t blockquote the fact that half of the PTI panel, and the host, thought Lesnar was a good thing. Blackistone is an unemployed idiot, fuck Jay Mariotti and as far as MMARatings go?
But until Lesnar gets his ass kicked to the curb we’ll be boycotting UFC fights, as long as he’s on the card.
It’s hard to boycott something you’ve never visited, but I’m boycotting your site.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hate to say it but after all the anti Zuffa BS I quit reading. To bad your agenda is so biased. Sometimes you actually post useful things. But with the recent declining quality in posts and blatant inaccurate crap being posted, I am reading BE less and less.
I know how every post goes.
1. Zuffa/HW/Lesnar/PPV all suck. I forgot Dana White is Darth Vader.
2. Anything Affiction or Fedor is the most awesome thing ever!
3. Any and every Japanese fighter/promotion is Da Best Eva!
It saddens me that we aren’t talking about fighters or fights but political promotion BS. I first joined BE to learn more about exciting fighters, their style and where they would be fighting. I watch EVERY MMA fight I can afford or buy on DVD. From Pride to Pancrase to Redneck Jones Backyard Fights. For me MMA is about the fights. If M-1 is so fucked up I can’t see Fedor fight in the UFC so be it. I don’t need 37,000 post about evil Dana.
Dana White is the reason I have been able to watch so many incredible fights over the last decade. No person on Earth has even come close the the number of incredible fights, no promoters/training camps/or Ugly shirt companies.
PS We had a bank laugh at our real estate business model 20 years ago. Now that we have succeeded they came knocking on our door. Guess what? The small town bank that believed in us has all of our mortgages. I wouldn’t give the other bank rep the time of day.
by Riney on Jul 14, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
Rec’d. We’ll get back to talking about, like, fights and fighters soon enough. Just got to beat back the forces of Mordor.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow man
I tried to be level-headed and then you said Kimbo was one of the faces of MMA and just slapped my head.
It only prolongs the negative stereotype’s associated in our sport and to its fans, and I KNOW we can be better than that.
Fine. I’ll say the same thing with blogging vs. journalism. One idiot on Deadspin = Negative press for blogging to the journalists. People aren’t that stupid and with the internet and blogging mentioned you can make your own decision and observations and not follow these meat-heads.
Keep the negative press coming. These guys are clueless, in denial, uninformed, and ignorant. The people who thinks for themselves know the real story.
"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg
by SSreporters on Jul 14, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Schiavello sucks. End of.
I’m a sad panda…
GSP: I...I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 14, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
whats with all these anti-UFC fanposts from the same person? Does he even like the sport, does he want it to succeed?
by Reaser16 on Jul 14, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I will ask you. What was Anti-UFC about my post?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Christ. Why don’t you get a shovel?
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mis-representing the EA v. UFC “war” to start, then posting everything (allegedly) negative about UFC 100, while posting how anything not UFC is the greatest of all-time. All your posts are the same, makes BE look bad imo, but just my opinion…
by Reaser16 on Jul 14, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t misrepresent the EA vs UFC. The most important part of that was that it is now official that EA vs UFC is happening, and that the fighters are being caught in the middle, which sucks for them.
Also, what I am pointing at is that the UFC is now attacking them as if they are evil guys who hate MMA. That was not true, and I explained that in my post.
On the negative news about UFC 100, I was quoting about how the main stream got some negative impressions from the show, and my concern that we don’t dismiss them and say FU, you guys don’t matter anyways. I think we should be able to take criticism better than that for the better of the sport.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck them, they don’t matter anyway. You literally had to go to a newspaper in West Virginia to buttress your selection.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL!
Search UFC 100 on Google, and let me know what you find.
HINT: Its like the 1st or 2nd link on the page.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it’s not.
Not here under ‘news’, either.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You want me to take a screenshot for you? Its right there.
2 Links: UFC Bad for MMA
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow the ever powerful West Virgina MetroNews…
by Dropkick434 on Jul 14, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So you are saying Lorenzo Fertitta just made all that shit up huh?
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 14, 2009 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. Read what I wrote. EA was under a different regime back then.
Dana made his up. Lorenzo’s is more accurate.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT?
EA was not under a different regime. Maybe I’ll diagnose that lump on your on your back while we’re all being misinformed geniuses here..
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peter Moore became the head of EA Sports in 2007.
The UFC went to EA in 2006, shortly after sighing a deal with THQ in early 2007.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peter Moore is not a regime
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
“mother-ucka…. what you said, dont tell me he said that”
to quote sir samuel l.jackson
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, it’s obvious that you have a lot of insight into the sport of MMA. You occassionally write some pretty interesting stuff such as the article about the history of the sport. You’re very intelligent and well-spoken. You would actually be a pretty good contributor to this site if it wasn’t for your OBVIOUS bias against the UFC. If you would just admit that you had bias in writing this article and purposefully spun the sneaky Japanese line in one your previous fanposts, you probably gain a lot more respect around here and wouldn’t have everyone attacking you.
by filipinomix2oo0 on Jul 14, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2 Points
1. UFC Undisputed will trump EA’s MMA game. To the average gamer UFC=MMA. This is the equivalent of producing a Canadian Football League video game.
2. Lesnars antics and the press it has generated will translate into higher PPV dollars for the UFC at his next fight. Guaranteed!! Write it down.
by nitro on Jul 14, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’ve always wanted a CFL game, ha…off topic and I agree that it wouldn’t sell at all, but I’de still personally like it…
by Reaser16 on Jul 14, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People shouldn’t be fanboyish and foolish about this.
1) No one is saying that EA is not going to outsell Undisputed 2009, obviously because the UFC brand is on the game.
2) EA could buy THQ if they wanted to and take over the UFC license, so EA is not in a bad position here. If the game is done right, it will be great for MMA.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
You’re the only fanboy in this whole thread. I can count down the rest of the contributors to this conversation and they’re regulars in threads for other orgs. Stop trying to spin. It’s not a good look.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heard it already. Nothing new here.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe next time disregard it, if your nose is so high in the air.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
from this angle your nose looks like Mt.Everest
it’s so stuck up in the sky
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're not hurling insults my way...
because up until this point I had respect for your writing and your opinion, although I may not agree with it. I simply stated 2 points and zero insults.
by nitro on Jul 14, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
He called you fanboyish and foolish. But of course he made certain to spin it so that it wasn’t deliberately directed.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I wasn't it.
I was pointing out that it shouldn’t become a fanboy war, something that Subo likes to do. Sorry if it came out the wrong way.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If subo is a fanboy
You’re Tom Attencio.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Subo himself claims to be a UFC fanboy, so, what are you talking about again?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marsha and Katie both have long hair
Marsha’s hair is eight inches long. Katie’s is 22".
I hope you’re taking notes…
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No wonder you don’t understand anything going on around you.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
For the record, I’m a huge UFC fan, but I watch other MMA – which would seem to disqualify me as a ‘fanboy’.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, no one here is saying that more exposure for MMA from this game would be bad. It will be great. They will sell considerably less copies of their title for lack of a UFC license, but it could still be a great game.
This whole argument is a result of you making Dana and Lorenzo out to be monopolizing the sport of MMA in video games. They didn’t fabricate the conversations they had with EA. EA changed their tune when they saw dollar signs and Zuffa is pissed because they wanted to make the UFC title with EA. EA made a baaaaaaaaaad call and this is the result. But you’ve taken the whole thing as an opportunity to bash Zuffa. And please keep it in your pants with the “where did I say” shit, because your sledgehammering is rarely verbatim. You have a deliberate context to your fanposts and you even try to manipulate the perception of timelines to support your toxic agenda.
I need to change my sig to “if you don’t like UFC you don’t like MMA”. You make me seem like the type of guy that has a Dana White tattoo on his ass, when it’s guys like me and subo that simply want what’s best for MMA. You clearly don’t, because you’re oblivious to what is best for MMA and that’s the success of the pioneering, innovating, leading organization in the sport. The UFC is the pulse of MMA and you’re cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
LOL
Oh, my bad. I guess they didn’t issue that life ban statement to MMA fighters so that they wouldn’t sign with EA. My bad, I guess I was wrong about them trying to kill the upcoming EA MMA game and even tried to get Randy Couture out of his exclusive deal with EA. My bad.
=p
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to talk about my posts more, but usually, I am under attack by the usuals for the first 100 posts before anything good comes out of it. By then, its just a wall of text people won’t want read, sprinkled with a few Green Rec comments. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why read 100 pages when each page is exactly the same as the first?
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What, exactly, are you arguing?
Your argument is organic like a nuclearly infested carp.
We’ve established that the UFC is angry because EA shit on MMA and now wants to make an MMA game without them, but with their talent.
We’ve established that the UFC has an informal ban on fighters (which you make seem permanent and official, even when Lorenzo said that it doesn’t exist).
So… what the fuck are you talking about?
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
So you can say that Lorenzo and Dana didn’t fabricate their conversations with EA but that Peter Moore is full of sh*t because he works for EA? Makes ton of sense to me. Read FightLinker and Watch Kalib Run below. If I am as anti-zuffa and crazy as you guys make it sound, there is no way two other people on different blogs would agree with me, right?
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly are we saying Moore is full of shit about? You aren’t making any sense d00der. Keep shufflin them feet, fast as they can go!
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Im shuffling them all the way to my posts below where I cite FightLinker and WKR pointing out the same things I did.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if iz on teh interwebz it must b tru
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As opposed to, Blackout612 said it, it must be true.
=D
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is supremacy, reiterated it, tracked down a few select articles and spinned it like a DJ,it must be true…as its says in the Book of Genesis
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m applying reason to otherwise unreasonable arguments. You were similarly misinformed. Don’t feel embarrassed. See? It happens to a lot of guys.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, right, and you are incredibly misinformed if you think you can ship a game of this magnitude in 12 months by just hiring 200 programmers…LOL.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't read good
Who said ANYTHING about programmers?
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, those guys that make the video games, AI, etc.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're supposedly a programmer
How the fuck do you think a sound guy, director or a graphic designer is a programmer?
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes. You don’t get it. Programming takes up a chunk of the time, and I was saying adding a bunch would still not guarantee a 12 month cycle. Adding more people is never the correct solution to producing quality products.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it?
I said EA could assemble 200 people to make a game and you said they’d be 200 programmers. It’s all right there. Wow..
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It was an example. Adding 2x more surgeons isn’t going to decrease surgery time by half.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That
Is the worst analogy I have ever heard. I made the analogy of a house being built and you make that of a body being surgically repaired.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup, making a game is much more delicate than making a house.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
Ahh.. This guy..
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I appreciate your perspective and your convictions, but this is not one of your better posts.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 14, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
mmasupremacy
EVERY SINGLE POST YOU PUT IS A CROSS BTWN ANTI-UFC RHETORIC AND WHOEVER IS AGAINST UFC PANDERING
its sad b/c you seem like a smart person but your whole hearted bias against the ufc has caused you to start blurring the line btw fact and what you WANT to be fact
to quote you:your starting to sound like somebody who hasn’t taken rejection well and is just mad and deciding to make war with ufc
you and dana white have more in common than you realize
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
and the =) after your every post doesn’t hide the fact that something inside you is slightly pissed off that everybody is not also seeing your grand and righteous viewpoint
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Guess I Wasn't Crazy, HUH?
Or at least not the only one, unless you guys are now going to say that Watch Kalib Run and FightLinker are Anti-Zuffa.
Pretty good argument if you ask me. Dana White rages against the company that spit in OUR faces and told US that OUR sport is trash. But now that the UFC video game did so well, EA has come along and wants to cash in! THOSE FUCKERS! It’s goddamn rousing. But it rings less true when you know like Dana obviously knows that EA has been working on this game for over a year and a half now, not just since the UFC game was released last month. They’ve already got their game to the point that it’s playable. I know EA rushes it’s games out the door, but only starting the game after the UFC’s game sold well would be E.T. on the Atari levels of rush.
So lemme ask you: if EA has been working on an MMA video game for years, do you think they spat in Dana White’s face and told him to stick his loser bloodsport bullshit up his ass where it belongs? Or do you think it might be more likely that they simply lost the bid for the UFC franchise to THQ? And do you really think Dana White was "at war" with EA a few weeks ago when their ads were plastered all over the octagon and a 5 minute preview was played during the TUF 9 broadcast?
That’s what’s so fucked up about all this: Dana’s whole article is 100% FUCKING SPIN. And it’s pretty epic spin at that. Typically you don’t see this level outside of politics, which is what I find so creepy about the whole thing. Dana White is basically trying to create an emotional justifications for the dickish things the UFC is doing. And his giant posse of fans are lapping it up and repeating it, not even questioning why in this ‘war’ with Electronic Arts, the only ones taking any damage are fucking fighters.
Watch Kalib Run:
http://www.watchkalibrun.com/2009/7/14/949035/president-of-ea-sports-responds-to
According to Moore, development began in 2007 which is when THQ announced that they were developing a UFC licensed MMA video game. Though didn’t give any details regarding the studio developing the game or the game itself. There was a memorable trailer featuring Quinton Jackson and Chuck Liddell in 2007 right around UFC 71.
Lorezno Fertitta states that they went to EA three years ago, making it around 2006, but EA was unwilling to do business. WKR contacted EA Sport PR and they directed us to Peter Moore’s blog. In Moore’s statement he tells us that EA was developing the game since he got there. So there is room for this supposed UFC-EA meeting before Moore took over the leadership role.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So WKR is saying EA turned down the approach from Zuffa AND THEN started making an MMA game? How much fucking sense does THAT make?
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
All these f’ing Zuffa haters, god. It makes perfect sense to believe what Dana and Lorenzo say, but not to believe what Peter Moore says. When he says I love MMA, it really means I hate it and I am only doing it for the money. It is all starting to make sense to me now…LOL.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey there
He’s not calling him a Zuffa hater. He’s saying it doesn’t quantify. LOL!
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point is:
You’re all equally misinformed about the video game business. I don’t know if you know this about me… But I once worked in gaming journalism. Yeah! They paid me and stuff. So cool! Anyway… You’re all MMA fans that don’t know shit about the video game industry.
The point isn’t that EA waited for THQ’s game to be profitable.
Catch that? Use your highlighter for future reference.
The point is that EA saw MMA get huge like Mir’s face and wanted to line their pockets after they told Dana to go twist his knob in his basement.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only problem to your argument is this:
But it rings less true when you know like Dana obviously knows that EA has been working on this game for over a year and a half now, not just since the UFC game was released last month. They’ve already got their game to the point that it’s playable. I know EA rushes it’s games out the door, but only starting the game after the UFC’s game sold well would be E.T. on the Atari levels of rush.
It takes more than 12 months to make a game that can’t be completely based off of a last years product. Hell, THQ signed a deal with the UFC in 2007. They didn’t release their game until mid 2009, and they had their wrestling engine to base the entire game on. It took them 2 and 1/2 years to complete it, and missed their target schedule date by a couple of years.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of retreaded points
Where is this supposed playable game? They didn’t show a single screen AT E3.
Secondly, there is no static life cycle for a title of this nature, especially considering that they haven’t had to do any modeling. Their fighters aren’t even signed. Additionally, this is EA; they can comprise a team of 200 over the span of a month. THQ doesn’t have that liberty, so creating parallels between the two is like saying that Square Enix and Jonathan Blow can create the same title in the same space.
Seriously… There’s no argument here.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don’t develop any software by hiring 200 people. That is just dumb. Just the integration of the code alone by having 200 developers would be incredible inefficient and time consuming, and yes, I am a software developer, in case you didn’t know.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the fuck?
I didn’t say programmers. You need to read a book. It’s a video game. Physics, AI, graphic design, texture designers, researchers, project lead, directors and organizers, office staff, programmers, 3D modelers, video editing and animation, testers, PR and advertising, sound design, licensing…
You seriously don’t know anything about video games, do you?
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t just hire a couple hundred people and increase a shipping date to 12 months. That doesn’t work, unless you want the most buggy worst piece of crap software you will ever see.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn’t worth arguing with you, because you have no idea what you’re talking about. None. One man building a house; two years. 20 men building a house; two months. If I thought this was even worth proving, I’d dig up development cycles. You realize sports games have almost no environmental modeling? An MMA game could be created in a very short period of time should someone desire to be quick about it. Significantly less than 12 months, even. Your insistance that there’s some existing benchmark for what it takes to make an MMA game when the first one to be released in years just dropped is pure uninformed hilarity.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You realize sports games have almost no environmental modeling?
You think maybe because they are sport games.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, all I have to say is this:
“I also saw the first playable of EA SPORTS MMA while at Tiburon last week. We have a team of incredibly hardcore fans of the sport working hard and making excellent progress, and we look forward to delivering a title in 2010 that we believe will provide further focus and attention to the sport.
So, according to you, they were able to make a playable demo in 3 months correct? =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this?
Since you have such a thick skull… Most fighting games are created in a 12 month window. Many of these games contain over 20 characters with dedicated movesets, intricately modeled weapons and models and various animated backgrounds and originally composed music. Fighting game enthusiasts are obsessive about the accuracy of collision detection, the balance of movesets and character success rates, just-frame maneuvers, combo’s, timing accuracy and ease of pick-up-and-play while simultaneously maintaining the integrity of expert play versus said pick-up-players.
THQ’s game essentially takes the same moveset and manipulates it across multiples with variants of maneuvers. They also refused to animate hair and there was only one environment to model. EA has far more resources than THQ does. EA could turn out this game in 8-10 months. I don’t know what dark wizardly you think goes into making an MMA game, but they don’t draw blood from Randy Couture and use it to motor their development rig. Not sure how they program where you work…
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
So, if they have a playable demo already, and UFC undisputed came out in May, that means they made a playable demo in 2-3 months because of all their resources, correct?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
I’m not making a deliberately definable timeline. I’m saying your bullshit thought process is “there’s no way it can be made in less than 12 months”. My assertion is that, yeah guy, it fuckin can.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And once again, you are saying that Peter Moore saying they have a playable demo, Fedor and other fighters already visiting their studios to get modeled, and people like Randy Couture and Frank Shamrock working with them for the past year didn’t occur?
I will post another quote:
Since THQ’s MMA license is already on the market, and EA’s is slated for 2010, a full year behind if it is released in May, it stands to reason that THQ had a year’s head start. That would put THQ’s development cycle at 2006 the time that Fertitta talks about the supposed EA meeting.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No ROSTER..... ROS...TER.
So you’re telling me they have a three fighter game?? GAH!! You got me, tiger! Now I’ll play dead like when my little cousin shoots me with his laser guns..
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you reeeeeeally don’t understand when I say that EA has many times more resources than THQ, do you? This, the same d00d that says that EA could kick down THQ’s door while the baby is sleeping and kidnap the CEO’s wife.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, wow, EA has tons of resources? I didn’t know that.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly
Again, no need to retread.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LARGEST THRID PARTY DEVELOPER IN THE WORLD
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know how they rush out movie games in less than a year and a half or so and they usually suck?this is an ominous warning
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is gaming journalism? Is that where gaming companies pay magazines for good reviews?
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Jul 14, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lot of green’s for the people disagreeing with you here, Supremacy.
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright its too many comments…Supremacy, are you implying that Dana is lying about EA deal?
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 14, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he said dana lied but lorenzo is moreso telling the truth,even tho they both really said the same thing. with lorenzo being more political and company line about his words
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read their posts, and you will see they come to the same conclusion.
http://www.fightlinker.com/dana-whites-imaginary-war.mma
http://www.watchkalibrun.com/2009/7/14/949035/president-of-ea-sports-responds-to
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Stop with the retreading.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I see where you’re going with the EA stuff, but you’re spinning it as much as you’re claiming Dana is. I support most of the stuff you write, simply because I believe that reading a point of view that differs from, say, subos or Blackouts, isn’t going to hurt. If I disagree, I disagree. I don’t think we need to go on some tirade trying to prove you wrong. At the same time, spin is spin, whether it’s Dana, Peter Moore, or you. A mirror might be required here.
As for the negative view of mainstream media, I don’t see the harm in posting it here, even if I disagree with most of it. The same people “defending MMA” here are dismissing mainstream media by saying “I don’t give a shit about them” or “they don’t understand”. In that vein, they’re being just as naive as the people writing that drivel (and, unfortunately in this case, that includes you).
I value your contribution to this site, but I’d recommend toning down the rhetoric in the future.
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by Beer Monster on Jul 14, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I think you’ve been around long enough to know that my views are not opposing the interests he seeks to protect and inflate, but I’ve been done with diplomacy where it concerns him for a very long time.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate your constructive criticism. Thanks.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HMMM.....This Article Blows.
Have fun with the 18 other people watching the Affliction show.
by Lewish on Jul 14, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks. After being at UFC 100, Affliction Trilogy will be a great way to kick off a great sumer of MMA.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how much longer will this continue?
i think nobody hear has any doubts that EA stiffed UFC and now want a piece of the pie,namely the $?
supremacy do you realize you are glorifying the ufc of sports and entertainment videogaming as some sad well meaning company that is only it for the love of the fans?
the same ea that drove 2k sports to near extinction.that secured a licensing agreement with the nfl so that no other nfl game could be made unless it was by EA(it’s the same thing ufc is trying to do to mma but w/o the same power that EA could implement if it was in their position)
why don’t you cry a river for NFL 2K B/c EA used the same deplorable tactics that you claim UFC is using against them now?
you don’t know anything about videogaming so dont pretend.
ea makes everything from f’ing harry potter to the sims,their job is to cover every possible sector that can make them money and unless they think it can make them money they don’t care.
they thought mma was too small of a sport and couldn’t make em money and was like ‘sorry who the f are you",i’m not wasting money 2 develop something that’s controversial and nobody in the mainstream cares about.
so when ea makes a terrible call and now wants to get in the action so they can eventually dominate the sport don’t scandalize what ufc is doing b/c ea does the same thing to their competitors everyday(Midway:out of business,2k sports:struggling,konami: dying w/o licensing for winning eleven)
what thq and dana are doing is what peter and his fifa series did to pro evolution soccer.
so now that your educated about the cutthroat practices of EA.you can see how EA and UFC are more similar than you try to make us believe.
and how biased viewpoints are more similar to dana white than you think
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
winning eleven has always had better gameplay, sucked having to edit all the rosters and teams and such though…has the gameplay but FIFA has the graphics, teams, kits and players…
by Reaser16 on Jul 14, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, I have always liked Winning 11 much better than FIFA games, but FIFA has made tons of improvements lately. The game play of Winning 11 was always much better IMO.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah right now fifa’s gameplay has caught up to and i think passed winning eleven.
so sadly winning is suffering a slow death
personally i’ve always been a fifa fan(b/c of licensing :( shame on me)
so that point was for the sake of argument.
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I buy and play both games, but FIFA more often for the licensing and the online play is better, with the 10 v 10…can get a full match any time of day…
by Reaser16 on Jul 14, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the same ea that drove 2k sports to near extinction.that secured a licensing agreement with the nfl so that no other nfl game could be made unless it was by EA(it’s the same thing ufc is trying to do to mma but w/o the same power that EA could implement if it was in their position)
why don’t you cry a river for NFL 2K B/c EA used the same deplorable tactics that you claim UFC is using against them now?
I actually hate EA Sports for killing the NFL 2K franchise, but it doesn’t mean I never owned another Madden or Fight Night game because of it.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes same here and here comes the point.
why are you defending ea?
these companies have mini monopolies in their respective industries and achieved thru unsavory practices which is why you trying to paint who said what between ea and dana is pointless.
ufc has run many a company to the ground but the same reason why you still use ea is why so many of us realize the importance of ufc in our sport and don’t demean their porduct at every chance we get
technically if you like ea you really shouldn’t hate ufc.
i’m out 2 watch some mainstream baseball.
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because this has nothing to do with EA. Both EA and the UFC are bullies. The fighters are the casualties in the middle getting hurt over this. At least EA is offering 5K – 15K to fighters for non exclusive contracts.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that’s supposed to induce fighters to land in the UFC’s doghouse? Not fucking likely.
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by subo on Jul 14, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fedor is in the game, and if he wants to be in the UFC, he will also.
Empty promises, but if screws with the fighters nonetheless.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This perception of EA being bullies is joker status.
FREE GSP! FREE ANDERSON SILVA! FREE MIGUEL TORRES!
You still think you’re raging against the machine, huh?
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
EA=UFC
Not proofreadin so good today.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck it, you’re on a roll
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thinking might be off here but if THQ is paying a nice percentage of the revenue from the game to UFC for the license and UFC is passing a great deal of that money on to the fighters I’m thinking that would add up to a great deal more money to the fighters than just paying 50 or so fighters 5k to 15k a piece.
So to me the THQ deal with UFC will actually ending up putting far more money in fighter’s pockets than EA will put in fighter’s pockets.
by mattman73 on Jul 14, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
A big part of the reason I’m so adamant about this argument is because I hate EA too. They’re schemy, unethical, treat their employees poorly, try to monopolize American game development (they buy and destroy great independant studios regularly) and are full of PR bullshit to soothe your soul. This doesn’t just have to do with Dana White and co— EA is a shitty company and I don’t like most of their constantly rehashed and quickly churned out series’.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
They killed Madden last year. I don’t want to even look at the new one.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Madden was always dead to me. I was a 2K guy too.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Super Nintendo came out, we had some years between 93 and 2k. I’m pretty loyal to my video games, but in 09 you can’t throw the ball more than 15 yards on All-Madden. It’s just pointless.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I played the Genesis/SNES ones, then moved on to NFL Quarterback Club on N64, believe it or not. Then 2K. Now I’m a sad boy.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did the same thing on N64. Ken Griffey Jr MLB for the win. If EA kills Rockstar I will firebomb their offices.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just waiting for the day I wake up, log onto Kotaku, and see that EA bought Take Two, just to own GTA. I will vomit on my desk.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can if they want. They can buy THQ as well, and take over their license, although, EA will most likely take their WWE license if they want. THQ will only be on UFC life support if that happens.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
It’s quite the complicated matter, actually. I hate to use this analogy, but it’s like bombing another country. You don’t just do it, but you make overtones and sometimes try to organize a surrender. EA has been trying to make an “offer” to Take Two for about eight months now, all of them well over value, and all of them refused by Take Two. Some people are in constant worry that EA will say fuck it and buy out controlling interest; but Take Two stock holders are being constantly warned not to sell their stocks to EA, due to the sordid nature of this sort of hostile takeover. But, like I said, I’m still waiting for it to happen.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Take Two is my hero.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's actually been going on for over a year
I studied Take Two in an investments class Spring ’08. And TT has basically continued to tell them where they can stick it.
Btw, love your arguments in this thread Blackout. You have the far superior thought process.
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by TheViking83 on Jul 16, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I played 2K5
Greatest NFL video game I’ve ever played.
But that’s what you get when you want a Monopoly.
You can’t get much worse than EA’s pathetic NBA Live series though.
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by SSreporters on Jul 14, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
I totally agree; 2K5 is the best football game ever made.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terrell Owens cover? Fuck yeah, had that mother on OG Xbox. Memories…
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 15, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still have my copy. Good times..
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by Blackout612 on Jul 15, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still have my copies with the latest rosters using Action Replay.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point exactly.if he doesnt hate ea he shouldnt technically speaking hate ufc.but…
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Blackout….
Dead Space, RockBand, Skate are teh cats pajamas. :(
GSP: I pulled my groin.
Greg Jackson: I don't care Georges! HIT HIM WITH YOUR GROIN!
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 15, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did say most of. I’m a GH guy, Dead Space has been rotting in my office for months (haven’t had time) and Skate is awesome.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 15, 2009 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dead Space was surprisingly good—really liked the graphics and atmosphere. I’m more inclined toward Rock Band because the DLC is so, so much better than Guitar Hero’s (Mission of Burma AND the Zombies AND James Brown). We just got the GH: World Tour instrument pack since it was on deep discount at Gamestop, and I have to say I like those drums better.
by An Old Friend on Jul 15, 2009 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I buy the music games mostly for the included track lists and, well, GH had Tool last time around. I just always seem to enjoy the track lists for GH far more than Rock Band. Rock Band is decidedly more mainstream. So let’s be honest; they’re really the same game beyond that, and they’re cross compatible. Depends on your musical taste, I suppose. (And yes, the GH drums are better, but I’m sure they’ll level the playing field next time out).
I would like to find some time to finally play Dead Space seriously. I didn’t get to play any of the titles I wanted to from last season because of my hectic professional life (and if you know me, you know it’s absolutely certifiable that I haven’t played Fable II). Still need to finish Mass Effect & Assassin’s Creed before the sequels drop, too.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 15, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guitar Hero does seem to be better as far as heavy metal, especially if you consider GH: Metallica. I like a lot of old stuff—I probably only own a couple thousand albums, and only about a dozen or two are from this century—and Rock Band seems to offer a wider variety there.
My wife (the guitarist in the relationship) prefers Guitar Hero because she thinks it’s more challenging. I haven’t played drums on GH: WT enough to form an opinion for that instrument.
by An Old Friend on Jul 15, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Benji Radach Confirms Fedor, Randy in EA Sports MMA
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f61/benji-radach-new-ea-game-1013262/
Ya, I’m going to be in a new game that EA is putting out. It’s an alternate MMA program to what THQ has done with the UFC. I’m going to be in it along with Randy (Couture), Fedor (Emelianenko) and a number of others. I start that in August. It’s gonna be pretty sick!
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Randy, Fedor and Radach. Now their roster is comprised of about as many fighters as you got for free for preordering UFC Undisputed from Gamestop.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Umm, they have more, like Josh Barnett, Jake Shields, Nick Diaz, Gina, Cyborg a possibility, Mousasi, Babalu, Sylvia, Trigg, etc, but thats just what I have heard.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot King Mo, Mayhem, and a few more. They will start announcing their signed fighters soon, I was told.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they haven't
That’s the point. The roster isn’t out there, they’re still signing guys. Possibly 75% of the roster is still unsigned. It’s known they’re still shopping— Dana is floating this ban deal right now.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he is, but a good amount of fighters have signed already, regardless, and actually, before the ban was even announced. Fighters like Fedor and Josh have already been to the EA studios for photoshoots, modelling, etc.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they won’t even do that many fighters— that’s possible too. Maybe even preferable, because they could start seriously thinning out with mainstreamers lacking recognizability with lesser known fighters. I think they should target retired fighters to make it more like Fight Night than UFC Undisputed.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also pointed that out as well. A mixture of non-ufc fighters and UFC hall of famers like Shamrocks, Frye, Severn, Mezger, Gracie, Bas, Tank, etc would be excellent, IMO.
From what I have heard, they already have a roster of 20 or so fighters. I am not sure how many total fighters they want to have in the end. Like I said, a great CAF and career mode, which EA does VERY will will benefit them greatly.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually hope it's a good game..
more games the better..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it took ea 4 games to get a good caf and career mode for fight night and that was largely off the effort of brian hayes and his new development team that took over from kudo tsonada
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but i also hope the game is good,so i can have options
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who told you this, the voices in your head?
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 14, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess its the same voices that told me fedor vs barnett in Anaheim for Affliction 3 in Anaheim with Vitor vs Mousasi as a potential matchup back in Feb.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In June, right?
It was already being discussed as a matchup, so don’t credit yourself too much.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 15, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So they delayed it by 2 months because they wanted to co-promote with DREAM in Japan on July, which I also reported. Happy now? =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah
I know you were talking about it way back when, but it was more in opposition to those that suggested it would never happen than it was you breaking any news. So you were right that it wouldn’t be cancelled and that friends would fight one another, as originally reported. But you can’t really throw that in the face of everyone. Maybe you can direct some confident boasting towards Logic or something.. That’s all I’m saying.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 15, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow. Two girl fighters. The match making possibilities are infinite.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
I sincerely doubt they do female fighters.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gina is already signed to EA. Why wouldn’t they?
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn’t mean they’ll use her, necessarily. There’s a lack of depth, I doubt they’ll have co-ed fights, modeling issues, etc.. It’d be cool and many of the female fighters would come at a premium, but that harkens back to this lack of recognizability I previously mentioned about the male fighters. Not a lot of household names there..
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ivan Trembow said something negative about the UFC?!?!?!?!
NO WAY!
by banter on Jul 14, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Goes away for UFC 100...
and now comes back posting something to go against Zuffa, and only other action is to comment on Overeem in Strikeforce. Yea, you are totally not against Zuffa at all….
by MMAWrestling on Jul 14, 2009 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Here are my thoughts on the whole UFC/EA , there has to be some truth to what Dana and Lorenzo saying. I find it hard to believe that EA does not want to work with the number one promotion.
UFC and THQ announced a deal in January “07.” That means that they had to been looking to get a video game deal done in “06.” EA is more likely one of the companies that they were talking too, but was turned away, according to Dana White.
Peter Moore, who came aboard EA sports in July “07”, plans were to do an MMA once he arrived at EA sports. I believed he would of did it with UFC, but the problem was he did not come aboard EA until July “07.” By that time, UFC was already working THQ
2008, EA says they were laying the groundwork to develop an MMA game. It could be doubted because there were no screen shots or trailers available at the time. My guess is that they were skeptical because it was probably difficult for them to put a game together seeing as how UFC has the best and popular fighters under contract. Couture and Carano is one of the few big name fighters signed to EA, but that’s about it. Couture, IMO, ranks below GSP, Brock, and Chuck in popularity.
2009, EA announces MMA game for 2010 release following the success of UFC undisputed.
Conclusion: If Dana and Lorenzo is telling the truth about EA turning them away and their attitude toward the sport, it was definitely under a different regime that preceded Peter Moore. There may have been little or no stories of UFC looking for a video game deal in “06”, but if a deal was reached in beginning of “07” commons sense says they was looking for one in “06.”
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 14, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup, also Randy Is Still VERY popular
Also, Moore says they have a playable version already. If thats the case, we have our answer that EA has been working on the game for a while.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy is Orange, Chuck is Red, GSP is blue.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real Google trend for Randy and Chuck. Provide your link you lying spin doctor.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hmm, I think i put one “d” instead of 2 for liddell, and thats what you get.
Thanks for the fix.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by MMAWrestling on Jul 14, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Fedor is gaining some popularity now.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you go back prior to 2004? It would be interesting to compare Lesnar’s popularity when he was in the WWE vs the UFC
by MMAWrestling on Jul 14, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is as far back as it goes.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do all this research, take infinite time to make these long winded posts, then take the time to make a picture of Google trend results rather than post a link where people could see your "mistake’? Something smells fishy…
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope, just put one d instead of 2. You can try it yourself and you will get my graph.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did try it myself, “liddel” and “lidell” both generate similar results. I tried it before posting to make sure I had the correct spelling and gave my link so people could fact check me on it.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 14, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I’d like to say shocking, but…
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know, but that’s what I got.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
Now for something moderately different.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 15, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pardon me...
but, who, exactly, gives a shit?
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by TheViking83 on Jul 16, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This does not say anything
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 14, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
THAT PEAK WAS WHEN HE WAS FIGHTING BROCK LESNAR IN THE UFC
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, you are correct. Shows you how popular Lesnar is now.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy’s popularity is the UFC’s popularity. Randy doesn’t exist without the UFC brand behind him. Or does Scorpion King 2 register high on the trend lines?
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL at this usual nonsense of a post…
Most people are very ignorant on exactly what has actually transpired:
If they knew how to monitor web 2.0 conversation UFC is now on a different stratosphere.
If they understood the implications of what the success of the UFC expo really means their eyes would pop out of their sockets.
Most are clueless and then they are surprised how Zuffa continues to dominate ever increasingly.
by mmalogic on Jul 14, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What’s the over/under on Zuffa PPV sales this year?
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
over last year :)
which killed HBO boxing and WWE… Still people are crying about wanting to be “mainstream”.
In todays world the “mainstream news” is late to the party on just about everything. facebook, twitter, etc… is the real pulse of whats going on. People are persuaded by their social circles and the “water cooler” discussions not by the NY times.
UFC 100 was like another Griffin/Bonnar moment and the morons writing for these 2 dollar blogs have no clue.
by mmalogic on Jul 14, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can’t believe Supremacy gets lot of reads on his post and his stuff and front page material
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 14, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
These posts are more like mmasupremacy vs bloodyelbow.com
by ThaSandman on Jul 14, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did I mention how nice it is having Blackout back?
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 14, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yup,
I missed him. Sometimes I wrote posts where no one attacked me. It was crazy.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Now that’s some bullshit.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cause you do have decent posts before..
and if you stick to doing that, you wont get as much shit.. It’s that simple you know.. and don’t think i’m trying to hate on you..
I’m actually disappointed.. You used to be the fastest guy to post non zuffa news.. now its all… whatever you call that..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
I’m often the first one to credit him when he does something good. He can say what he said above without being so one-sided. He claims to tell another side of the story, but not only does he spin, but we’ve heard this Brock stuff all day every day since Saturday. It’s nothing new..
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find most of the people responding to Supremacy in this thread to be downright rude. Supremacy, whether you agree with him or not, he is doing his best to source every little criticism someone makes about one of his comments. Too many insults are being hurled in his direction, as I’ve seen very little, if any, hostility initiated by him. Just a big old witch hunt, with harsh tones and vacuous responses that border on flat out trolling.
You guys can have this discussion in a more cordial manner.
by a tommy point on Jul 14, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Maybe you need to look up the definition of trolling. This forum has very specific rules and no one here has broken any of them. Richard is clearly in here looking over the various comments. If he has a problem with the way things are progressing, I’m sure he’ll step in and let us know.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t get the hate either. He reports interesting news that wouldn’t be discussed otherwise, yet all people do is hate on him. Sad really. I don’t know why he still posts here to tell you the truth.
by Jmend255 on Jul 14, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Violin
I don’t know why we have forums, either. We could all just meet up at my house and give each other backrubs.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You better believe it.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too many insults can be coupled with
The logical fallacies and extreme BS he puts out.
He wrote yet another fanpost to air out his agenda. We called him out on his crap.
"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg
by SSreporters on Jul 14, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Called out on my crap? Its a fan post folks, with my information that I am giving to you guys.
Its up to you to believe them or not. No one is forced to read my posts, and nothing that I wrote is crap.
Its all right there, take it or leave it.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overkill.
http://www.fourouncestofreedom.com
by Beer Monster on Jul 14, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll say this, too
Then I’m out for a while. But Sup is of reasonable intelligence, and when he and I argue, he volleys most of what I critique. I say “fuck” a lot and he says “LOL”, so there’s plenty of give and take and we both have our own way or being snide or antagonistic. I don’t know how he receives it when you guys say shit like “leave poor little Supremacy alone!”, but if I were him, I’d be pissed that you’re essentially suggesting he’s incapable of defending himself reasonably.
I enjoy arguing. If there are people still figuring that out, they probably don’t spend much time here.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 14, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How come no links to the positive articles?
I have read just as many positive articles about Brock Lesnar and UFC 100 as negative ones. So I’m wondering why you only included the negative ones in your post. Wouldn’t it have been fair to show both sides if you wanted to have this discussion on whether UFC 100 was bad for MMA?
by mattman73 on Jul 14, 2009 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The point of that was how would we as an MMA community react to negative criticism from the main stream. The easy thing to do would be to ignore the negative press and concentrate on the positive one, as most websites have done, but I don’t see why we have a problem addressing the criticism without having to insult them and say they don’t know sh*t and we don’t need them. That was part of the essence of that portion of the post.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok. I see now where you were going with it. But to me the positive stories should be considered right along with the negative to get an overall picture of what is going on. Just like all those uninformed sports writers talking about Lesnar’s antics specifically and then not bothering to mention anything from his apology or that he even apologized because it didn’t fit with the message they wanted to send.
by mattman73 on Jul 14, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I doubt anyone even read that Lesnar apologized, or probably considered it insincere since he has a history of acting like that in the first place. Some were also appalled by the late hit from Hendo and him mentioning in the interview that he knew what he was doing to shut him up. What can you do.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither does the average potential advertiser, for that matter.
All the advertisers care about, is how many eyeballs are on their product.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jul 14, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus Bud Light actually got more exposure out of it too, with everyone mentioning the Lesnar diss.
by MMAWrestling on Jul 14, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, although Dana was pretty pissed at Lesnar dissing a major sponsor…LOL.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 14, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s not like bud light’s gonna leave them and if they do… they’ll get Coors light..that’s COORS light
by justizzer on Jul 14, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm rec'ing this
Just for the fantastic comments on this thread.
Well done everybody!
"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg
by SSreporters on Jul 14, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The UFC’s management was fully aware of the existence of EA’s MMA game in 2008, as that was one of the major reasons that the UFC threatened its roster of fighters into signing away their lifetime exclusive video game rights for free (ie, to ensure that they couldn’t appear in EA’s game).
No, Ivan. The UFC threatened its roster of fighters into signing away their lifetime exclusive video game rights so that it prevents other companies, say, EA for instance, from creating a competing game with the same fighters in the future. This is one of the requirements in the contracts they sign with THQ—that THQ gain exclusive rights to both the fighters and the UFC license. A year later, the reason for their actions come true. In business, you must plan for all possible outcomes. What some people call unethical business decisions, most call intelligent decisions.
“I also saw the first playable of EA SPORTS MMA while at Tiburon last week. We have a team of incredibly hardcore fans of the sport working hard and making excellent progress, and we look forward to delivering a title in 2010 that we believe will provide further focus and attention to the sport.
Noticed that not once did he say that Dana and the Fertittas are liars? Nevertheless, MMASupremacy believes that somehow Moore’s quote contradicts anything that Dana and Co said about their relationship with EA. Non-denial is the same as acceptance. EA did shun the UFC and Moore never once denied it.
If you have a playable demo, then you can create screen shots. No screen shots are made available so far. This is the first clue that there is no playable demo. Unless “playable demo” consists of a bunch of 3D stick figures. This still fits the definition of playable demo, right? Nice try, Peter Moore.
All executives spew bullshit, but we are selectively believing one guy over the other. Who’s the bullshitter now?
by cyph on Jul 15, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You ever think its because EA doesn’t want to attack the top MMA promotion, which their game is targeting? Attacking the Zuffa is what would actually hurt them in this scenario.
1) They took the high road here and I sceriously doubt that Peter Moore even knows what was said back in 2006 since he was working in Microsoft, so why would it matter to him. He has quoted many times that he loves MMA, and this was last year, not just recently.
2) I got in touch from someone in EA that worked their in 2006, and he said all EA told Zuffa was that they weren’t interested in creating a UFC game at the time.
3) If a playable demo or screenshots exist, they will come out soonish. No one needs to prove anything. I find it hilarious that because he said that there is a playable demo but there are no screenshots yet, he is full of BS. It’s just like me saying Dana said they were in negotiations 1.5 years ago and Lorenzo said 3 years ago, they can’t even get their stories right, this is obviously BS…LOL. Why don’t we give it time and see if something surfaces withing the next month or so. Its not like they could have had enough time to make a playable demo in 2 or 3 months either way. The THQ game was delayed by 2 years before we even got a video of the game play.
4) Correct, that we can’t believe one guy over the other, but, EA never declared an imaginary war on Zuffa, so, what would they gain from saying they have a playable demo? On their end, nothing, because this game won’t be a company/bankruptcy breaker for them. All they have is to eventually get a game good enough to eventually take over the UFC license in 2011, if both parties chose to do that.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2) I got in touch from someone in EA that worked their in 2006, and he said all EA told Zuffa was that they weren’t interested in creating a UFC game at the time.
Were they in the meeting? Because if not, who cares.
Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin
by ufc4 on Jul 15, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1) Not sure what position they held, but it was a higher end position.
2) Now for some news. Roger Gracie is not fighting on August 15th. Will most likely be bumped to Oct. card. He is taking care of his 3 week old son. Thats good and bad news, because I didn’t want him in the televised under card.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He probably should have just hammered down that delete key. That’s a total fabrication. Confidentially agreements within gaming org’s are some of the most iron clad contracts you will find. He would have had to speak to an upper level exec, who is probably still with the org. He’s still under the impression that EA brought in a new regime when they hired on Moore, but all that really happened was Don Mattrick left and they brought in Moore to take up his vacant position.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 15, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, and Mattrick went to Microsoft for the old switcharoo.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you're just lying blatantly
You have any idea how far reaching confidentiality is within gaming publishers? A) You didn’t talk to someone with knowledge of their discussions, because I could publish the short list of individuals that could have been from that time period (they don’t just meet out in the cafeteria with the President of the UFC). B) None of those individuals would be at liberty to discuss those meetings with the media, much less you; some guy that posts on an MMA forum.
You’ve got to be kidding dude..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 15, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I didn’t say I called EA and asked them, now did I. I have some friends, you know.
D00de, relax.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who said anything about calling EA?
Confidentiality agreements extend well beyond completion of duties with gaming companies (particularly execs). I’ve done graphic design in association with gaming companies and if I saw a sound tech take a shit at Arby’s and told my cousin’s dog about it three years later, they could sue me for my thumbs. And this is an EXEC from EA? Come on man.. Stop insulting our intelligences..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 15, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Dude, thats any company. Relax, doesn’t mean people don’t talk.
Its not like this is some real breaking news here.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop telling me to relax
That shit is really annoying. You’re lying. That’s the point. I’m not smashing mugs over here, boss. But you constantly twist the truth to support your opinions and this is clearly a fabrication. You may need to relax. It’s okay to be wrong sometimes without resorting to pretend phone calls with EA execs.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 15, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOL, like I said.
There were no phone calls made.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just had a shot of Cabo Wabo with Don Mattrick and he said he told Dana to take his sport and fuck off to Cambodia where they still do underground Kumites with trafficked fighters.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 15, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hah @ supremacy having to resort to fabricating conversations to support his agenda…
by Reaser16 on Jul 16, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha. Ain’t that some funny stuff.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be if it weren’t so damned predictable.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 16, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And there’s no “e” in d00d, d00d. Look in the dictionary.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 15, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randomness…did you ever play Disgaia?
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 15, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which one?
My brother has one of the PS2 ones. I believe Disgaea 2? I’ve played it with him a bit, but no, not personally. They’re pretty well liked; has a niche following.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The American localization has all the Prinnies saying “d00d” all the time. I noticed you use that spelling and word a lot. Was curious.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 16, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A friend of mine and me have been spelling it like that for years. It’s just a play on people’s inability to spell words properly online. I’m sure we picked it up somewhere, but I seriously started doing it in high school and I graduated nine years ago.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Woohoo Class of ’00!
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 16, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every single game ever released have had some sort of pre-rendered videos years before a playable demo come out. EA has never been an exception in their previous games. Why is this game an exception? Pre-rendered videos are part of the marketing hype. When a company has been working on a game for the past two years or so, by the time they announce it (usually they announce it when they start making it not after two years, but whatever), they have videos, proof of concept, roster lists, etc. not just a logo. You are telling me that EA has spent so much production budget on a game that has gotten to the “playable demo” phase but has yet to release a picture, a video, a roster list, etc.? Not only that, but they wait TWO years after production in order to officially announce it? Doesn’t that go against all marketing rules? Why would you not officially announce a game if you are putting money resources behind it?
Do you even listen to sound reasonings or are you just trying to prove that you’re right? Do you hate the UFC that much that if they’re not the assholes, your world view would collapse? Would your world explode if you find out that Dana White tellsthe truth? Is there a conspiracy between a billionaire like the Ferttitas and Dana White to lie about something like this? Does a billionaire need to ruin his reputation just to take down a company like EA? Are you Ivan Trembow in disguise?
by cyph on Jul 15, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
me gusta
V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!
by TheViking83 on Jul 16, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is really a non-argument, really
I would fish quotes if this weren’t so clear cut, but Randy himself said that he didn’t know what was going on with the game as recently as a year ago. Additionally, (and I’ve already mentioned this) the Viking Photography guy that frequents BE said, verbatim, that he was providing photography for the game some 18 months ago and that EA fell off the face of the earth. Moral of the story; EA has been prospecting this title like dozes of others that exist within their preproduction IP’s. This one will see the light of day because the MMA industry shook out. That really is the most logical explanation for this story.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isn’t that the whole point? That they were getting some photography done 18 months ago? The fact that they were prospecting this title and it sees the light of day in a company like EA is a huge thing. All I was saying was that they showed interest in making an MMA game a couple of years ago.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe....
after hundreds of posts you STILL don’t get it.
Pretty sad.
V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!
by TheViking83 on Jul 16, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really...
I thought what you guys are trying to say is that EA does this for EVERY game. They were prospecting this game like they do with the dozen titles that they have within their IP’s. It was put on ice for a while (probably due to 10% reduction of their working staff and other variants for the past few years). Once MMA started to take off, saw how profitable it was now (in contrast to how it was in 2006 when the sale figures of the previous UFC games didn’t really convince EA that they had to make a UFC game, specially since Fight Night was their baby and a smashing success) and they saw how well the THQ UFC Undisputed 2009 did this year, they started to crank up the gears again on the project, which most likely give them about a 12 – 16 month cycle on the game, giving them a 2010 release, of course, that is if they don’t have any more layoffs or if the priority doesn’t shift again to either Madden or Tiger Woods 2011. Something else that furthers discredits the idea that EA wasn’t working on this title or giving much priority to it was the fact that they waited this long to sign fighters, start the modeling process, and provide screen shots and video footage during E3 this year.
Further more, EA is going to start alternating releases between Fight Night and EA MMA, which will guarantee them a title every year for a combat sport, very similar to what they already do for all of their other sport franchises. This will also give them more time to make improvements and not just rush roster updates, which has been a main criticism by many of their fans. Despite all that and rejecting making a WEC game for the UFC, they will try to gain a strong foothold on the MMA gaming market and potentially make a play for the UFC license in 2011. If they see the profits and THQ and Zuffa aren’t willing to play nice, then they will take the WWE license and threat THQ that they will buy them, although, that will heavily depend on the success of their UFC games, which will most likely keep them afloat until 2011.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn’t 18 months ago, it was less than a year.
It’s no rumour
I was approached to provide content for the game some time ago – then all of a sudden the emails and negotiations evaporated. I suspect the project might have been shelved internally.
by VikingPhotography on Feb 5, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions 0 recs
All dried up back in October
I was first contacted by EA in early September ’09… by late October, the whole thing just stopped dead.
None of the other MMA photographers whom I knew had been in touch with them had heard diddly either, so it was assumed that the project had either been put on hold or shelved entirely.
by VikingPhotography on Feb 6, 2009 2:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 16, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I was trying to find that fan post forever. The search engine doesn’t do a great job.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh NVM
That was an article from 2009. I was looking for the 2008 one that has Frank Shamrock on it.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FOUND IT! Thx!
At the same time, he continues to diversify his business outside the ring, landing some national, mainstream projects like "MMA for Dummies" with Wiley Publishing and one of the crown jewels of sports licensing deals, an MMA videogame by EA Sports that hits stores in 2010.
- Frank Shamrock in Nov. 2008
IGN: You didn’t appear in any of the UFC video games. Why was that the case?
I wouldn’t waive my rights, so they yanked me from the game, and I’m not in the new version. I’m pursuing trying to do a video game of my own which I’m talking to EA about. I’m going to show up in Command and Conquer as a general, in a theatrical version of the video game they’re doing now, and hopefully that will be the first step towards a video game with EA featuring me!
- Randy Couture On May 2008
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
smoogy is always helpful:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/11/5/654624/ea-mma-game-to-star-frank
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Now See Why Blackout is So Adamant About This Issue
We’ve heard this before
This news is dead and it’s not happening. My understanding is that EA scrapped this game when their latest round of cuts came around. They aren’t interested in taking any risks in the near future, especially given the lack of sales success for Mirror’s Edge, which they had a lot of hopes for as an annual IP (and the fact that the Dead Space team is working on the new Dante’s Inferno game, which will be a huge risk and keep Dead Space II a year off— and Mass Effect 2 is being delayed until Q3 2010, etc, etc).
I don’t really give a shit, either, because EA is one of my least favorite developers. They’re money whores, they fuck people over on DLC, and I just hope they don’t implode Bioware like they did Bullfrog, Maxis, etc.. I’ll stick to the UFC title (which actually looks pretty slick thus far), thanks.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They aren’t interested in taking any risks in the near future
Which is why they announced the game after Undisputed was a success. Dude, remember the first rule of holes: stop digging. You are only making yourself look worse.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 16, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I agree. I noted somewhere on here (400 posts or so…LOL) that EA cut back 10% of their workers in late 2008 / early 2009. At that time, they product was put on hold. It makes perfect sense to put it on hold during the panic time. What, they started working on the project a few months later, but as we can see from the Randy and Frank interviews above, they were planning it all along for 2010 release, and that estimate was given to them in 2008.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also their reason for putting the project on hold was recession (financially) related. These are sound business decisions, but neither of these show that they didn’t give a sh*t about MMA, one way or the other, nor that they weren’t planning something 12-16 months ago.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still off the mark
The game was in preproduction, it wasn’t in development. There wasn’t anything to put on hold; a team didn’t have to re-seed to another project. That’s probably the best evidence of the fact that it wasn’t actually being made; you would know that the previous team was reallotted and that a new team is developing that. That sort of info always becomes public knowledge. They were prospecting and pre-producing this game for a long time. Now they’re actually making it. That’s all there is to it.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were prospecting and pre-producing this game for a long time. Now they’re actually making it. That’s all there is to it.
Heres the funny thing, I agree with all that thought and is really irrelevant to my points. On top of that, in the post you are replying to, I did not mention “pre-production” or “development”? I said “planning” or “working on”. This plus the fact that we have Frank saying that they gave him an estimated release date of 2010 on 2008 and he was signed by EA to be in the game shows that they were planning for an MMA game for some time.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s pretty effective thinking, to set your mind at ease. Because Frank said it’s coming out in 2010, it’s gospel? Okay. You can keep that tiny peace of mind in your back pocket and save it for a rainy day. I hope Frank doesn’t see this and tries selling you instructional DVD’s or medicine balls containing his likeness.
And your bullshit with tugging your own words to and fro doesn’t work here. There is a clear context to this entire conversation (it’s still there, boss) and it has everything to do with you suggesting that EA was making this game all along and others suggesting they wouldn’t knead the dough before the stove got hot. I know it’s dizzying keeping piles of bullshit stacked on top of each other, but you took a very clear side in this argument.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I am sure Frank plucked out 2010 out of thing air back in 2008. Like I said, I am good now. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say whatever you like
You got lit up.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That has NOTHING to do with it
Nice backpedal, though. You can see from the Viking Photog quote that there was nothing happening. Back then I was under the impression that they might be developing it and stopped. New details have emerged since (ie; they don’t have a fucking roster, for the umpteenth time). Shit changes. Try to be organic.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many comments over a rumored video game can we get?
by bignerd on Jul 15, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
99% of the comments are for this guy!

=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 15, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is supremacy vs. everyone calling him on his spin and lies.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 15, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Spins and lies
That not the exception around here, it’s the norm.
by bignerd on Jul 15, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone else 500 - Supremacy 0
It is so glaringly obvious to everybody else what is going on here, but Supremacy keeps clinging to “But they’ve got a playable Demo”.
beating the dead horse…
They’re just now compiling a roster, after they saw the huge success of an MMA video game, yet they’ve had “full intentions” on doing this game for YEARS?? Then why haven’t they been trying to sign the biggest names in the sport for this game they’ve “been working on since 2007” until just VERY recently?? EA, out of everybody, knows the importance of naming rights (hence all the exclusive deals they’ve cashed out for) yet they weren’t signing any fighters to their MMA game for two years??
Please. A six-year old can read between those lines.
V-I-K-I-N-G-S! Skol Vikings, Let's Go!!
by TheViking83 on Jul 16, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If a playable demo or screenshots exist, they will come out soonish. No one needs to prove anything. I find it hilarious that because he said that there is a playable demo but there are no screenshots yet, he is full of BS. It’s just like me saying Dana said they were in negotiations 1.5 years ago and Lorenzo said 3 years ago, they can’t even get their stories right, this is obviously BS…LOL. Why don’t we give it time and see if something surfaces withing the next month or so. Its not like they could have had enough time to make a playable demo in 2 or 3 months either way. The THQ game was delayed by 2 years before we even got a video of the game play.
Also, I found out that by playable demo, they meant the physics engine is in place enough to be able to control it using the controls on the Dev Kit, instead of being a pre-rendered version using the models.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Modified Fight Night engine probably, which if they could add ground capability to probably would work out fairly well.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 16, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, its pretty much what THQ did as well with their wrestling engine.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is calling it a playable demo, it is merely an alpha physics engine, not even sure you could call it a prototype at this point.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 16, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically, Moore didn’t call it a playable demo, he called it a “playable”. In that regard, he is correct.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you guys go to the same ‘lie without lying’ school?
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve always called it deceiving. I am pretty damn good at it, which disgusts me, and why I hate people who do it and seeing them trick people.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 16, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this was a fight between
Us vs. Supremacy as far as research, logic, and common sense
This would be the equivalent of GSP vs. BJ Penn II.
"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg
by SSreporters on Jul 16, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have found my peace. This was all I was looking for...
At the same time, he continues to diversify his business outside the ring, landing some national, mainstream projects like “MMA for Dummies” with Wiley Publishing and one of the crown jewels of sports licensing deals, an MMA videogame by EA Sports that hits stores in 2010.
- Frank Shamrock in Nov. 2008
IGN: You didn’t appear in any of the UFC video games. Why was that the case?
I wouldn’t waive my rights, so they yanked me from the game, and I’m not in the new version. I’m pursuing trying to do a video game of my own which I’m talking to EA about. I’m going to show up in Command and Conquer as a general, in a theatrical version of the video game they’re doing now, and hopefully that will be the first step towards a video game with EA featuring me!
- Randy Couture On May 2008
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
What sort of solace is that?
Here. These are examples of games that died in pre-production. I can find dozens of these links. This type of concept and pre-production art is normally found after a studio shutters. That’s why— surprise!— you don’t know what EA is conceptualizing and prospecting. Most games that have been cancelled include target renders, CGI vids and even rough builds to sell to the publisher (which whatever EA dev has been assigned to the MMA game likely had to do before getting the greenlight, so that could apply as your “playable” version). You’re still trying to tell me that EA can’t do a target render, screen, video of Randy shadowboxing or CG for their MMA game and it’s been in development for two years? They couldn’t even show a real fighter on their logo/poster at E3? Yeah; and I’ve got a 40 foot yacht, but you can’t see it because it’s on a pier in Miami.
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I found my peace.
Whether a game gets cancelled during pre-production or not doesn’t affect what I was saying nor how long the game has been in “pre-production” compared to “development”. The fact that Shamrock and Randy were working with EA back in 2008 and signed with them was what I was looking for.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
It really isn’t. Can’t change what you were arguing. Voice actors get signed on for titles that get cancelled all the time. They even put in hours of studio sessions with a single character model. What is that indicative of? You should probably just call it a thread..
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you read my original post?
I am good, now.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shrug
That doesn’t make any sense. Anyway, I got my 17 rec’d comments and you’ve got your 140 smiley’s, so let’s call it a day until you puke up another lazily spun mess for me to strip apart.
Later d000000000000000000000000000d!
"The reason a rabbit outruns a fox is because the rabbit is running for his life and the fox is running for his dinner."
by Blackout612 on Jul 16, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yeah, this was a pretty clear win.
How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert
by subo on Jul 16, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said before, congrats, d00d.
You got what you wanted out of this fan post, and so did I, which brings me great joy in creating these fan posts, so that everyone can enjoy them.
Cheers.
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also…are you implying that you guys are greasing? Also, I believe my stamina comes from a different source than burritos. =)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
Since I don’t want to go there….
How about Chuck Liddell vs. Jeremy Horn?
"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg
by SSreporters on Jul 16, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFC 19 where Horn wins or UFC 54 where Chuck wins?
=)
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 16, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFC 54
"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg
by SSreporters on Jul 16, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go with Machida/Rashad where Rashad was trying to talk while getting KO’d.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 16, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Bisping/Henderson
Since Bisping talked so much crap.
"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg
by SSreporters on Jul 16, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha!
Blackout hits like a bitch eh?
by Well Read Idiot on Jul 17, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs




















