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UFC 100 Aftermath: MMA Media vs the Mainstream Media

Old_school_reporter_mediumOur own Michael Rome has already said his piece and I couldn't agree more. But I thought I'd add two more nuggets from some of my other favorite members of the MMA blogosphere.

First Steve Cofield takes the L.A. Times' T.J. Simers to the woodshed (read the whole piece for the blow by blow deconstruction):

...It's easier to write a column on deadline when you've already decided what you're going to write. T.J. Simers from L.A. Times generally knows his take on event before he arrives. UFC 100 was no different. The always grumpy and contrarian columnist came to Las Vegas with a "UFC is for morons" column and it played out nicely.

...

Hell, Simers didn't even like his seat at the event. While not watching two of the fights, Simers came into the press room and bitched about his front row seat. He couldn't see because of the photographers. That's the same seat people paid a reported $4000-$20,000 to grab. Everyone's entitled to their opinion about MMA but when it's already set in stone before you sit in your "lousy" seat why bother?

These guys are writing for an audience that's 50-plus, that also doesn't like this internet stuff or cell phones or Twitter. They're dooming the print business to a slow and ugly death. Or just trying to find a quicker way to get their buyout.

Then Fightlinker has more about why we don't need to kow tow to the MSM:

Everyone is so hypersensitive because this was UFC 100 and everyone was watching. But how can you argue that what went on at this event was so bad when so many other horrible things have gone on over the past year? We’re fucking LUCKY that the mainstream isn’t paying attention, because they’re dicks and they’d probably slit the sport’s throat the same way they did with cycling.

Lemme tell you what, it was almost cute to see pregger-punching Todd Beard step down from Affliction once his sins were revealed. The UFC understands that you can just keep your head down and things will eventually blow over. But in a world where the mainstream sporting world actually paid attention, how do you think our greasing, cop punching, interview humping, steroid taking, drunk driving, late punching, standgating, arm breaking sport is going to fare? Not fucking well.

So how about instead of sucking every ounce of drama and controversy out of the sport in an attempt to appeal to the groups that don’t give a shit, we instead accept the reality that MMA might never get the attention it deserves from that nebulous ‘mainstream’ so long as the ‘mainstream’ is controlled by twats. That way we can take care of any specific real issues in a sane and rational manner rather than just bitch and moan about how far this fighter or that show set the sport back.

UPDATE: It's clear from the comments that I didn't entirely make myself clear. Obviously more (quality) coverage is great for the sport and I want all we can get.

There's also an increasing blurring of the lines between the "mainstream media" and new media. Outlets like Sherdog, MMA Mania, MMA Weekly and MMA Junkie are reaching numbers most newspaper sites would kill for and outfits like USA TODAY, AOL Fanhouse, Sports Illustrated and Yahoo! have been doing great coverage of MMA -- obviously Josh Gross, Sergio Non et al are the solution, not the problem.

Its really more of a generational shift and the old dogs like T.J. Simers are never going to get on board.

What I liked about Fightlinker's piece wasn't the headline, but the point that we don't need to twist ourselves into pretzels worrying about what some imaginary "mainstream" might think, but should instead just do our best to police the sport and cry foul when someone goes over the line.

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Another Kid Nate post I can get behind…what is the world coming to? ;)

Rec’d.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 13, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing as Fightlinker as I watched ESPN First Take this morning. I hate the Mainstream Sports Media. All they do is suck the fun out of every sport they cover.

by Zou want a piece? on Jul 13, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nightmare scenario: an MMA version of Pro Football Talk (which I admit I read in a completely self-loathing kind of way).

by An Old Friend on Jul 13, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FUCK THE MAINSTREAM!!!

"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
shooter/cutter for AllElbows.com

by ekc on Jul 13, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eventually more and more MMA fans will rise in power at ESPN. I talk to people over there now, there are lots of MMA fans but they are the young guys. Eventually they’ll be the executives, if coverage ever changes it will be when the anchors are people that have been fans for years.

by Michael Rome on Jul 13, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the best thing is to keep MMA around with a stable base and eventually generational change will take it to the level most people want it at.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 13, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

^^This^^

is MMA’s best chance of becoming and remaining a mainstream sport.

by Chuck Sakuraba on Jul 13, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those boxing fogeys have to die sometime.

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 13, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gosh

after all the high-fives over the cover story on ESPN.com, and imploring members to vote on that site for more MMA coverage, this seems be a complete 180. There are very real pros and cons to MMA reaching mainstream status, and as individual fans perhaps we should consider what it means for each of us. Personally, I like the idea of more events in my area, and being able to talk to my friends and coworkers about MMA without it conjuring thoughts of bloody human cockfighting (regardless of how awesome it might be).

by rzor on Jul 13, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I don't think I communicated what I'm going after

Its not that more coverage isn’t good — it is.
Its the attitude that we should twist ourselves in knots worrying “what will the MSM think?” and instead try to think about what’s best for the sport.

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Jul 13, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kimbo Slice's fight on network TV

was included in the top 100 fights here on BE specifically because of its impact on MSM and its view of MMA. It seems we all got pretty twisted up then and now over how his fight and performance would reflect upon the sport as a whole, and less about its actual impact on the sport itself (which was obviously negligible). Michael Wilbon probably formulated 90% of his opinion of MMA and UFC from that fight, and then speaks to thousands of baseball and football fans about his opinion on the sports as a whole. Viewers with a casual interest put together that fight with Wilbon’s opinions and said “I need look no further” and simply went back to reading about their favorite sports.

So, yes, I get twisted up about MSM perception of MMA, because of the benefits that come from a positive perception; however, I don’t think the product should change as a result.

by rzor on Jul 13, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know that media is influential, and if people are going to be talking about MMA to the masses, I’d rather they depict the sport accurately.

It’s why I get miffed at Zuffa’s revisionist history. They know that they’re in a position to shape fans’ and potential fans’ perceptions of the sport, and so they need to be called on it by the media, who is supposed to represent “truth.”

However, the more that reporting can be dismissed as “having an axe to grind” or “the rantings of some 13-year-old in their parents’ basement,” the more that misinformation can be spread about MMA, misinformation that has real world consequences for these athletes’ lives.

by madiq on Jul 13, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you, but I do think that half-asses articles by guys like Simmers really does hurt MMA. That is something that I think is worth responding to.

Stuff like Lesnar….that stuff is tacky but hardly shocking in today’s sports world.

by Lynchman on Jul 13, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a fan of cowtowing to the Mainstream Media, but to the extent that the Blogosphere is so easily dismissed by the Powers That Be, who then ends up speaking truth to power? From where will our “Fourth Estate” originate?

by madiq on Jul 13, 2009 5:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I probably should have clarified that as well

but in addition to the purely fan grown sites like BE, MMA Mania, and MMA Junkie (plus Sherdog and MMA Weekly) who are getting big enough to be serious factors, there’s the great coverage from outlets like USA Today, AOL Fanhouse, Yahoo!, Sports Illustrated, etc etc.
Its less the MSM per se and certain older members of the sports writing fraternity and then there’s the whole nightmare of Jimmy Fallon and that mainstream. Yikes.

Follow me on Twitter @KidNate

by Kid Nate on Jul 13, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely off the subject.....

But could Nate or Luke or somebody on the staff give us an idea of what the traffic on BE was like the last couple days compared to the traffic after the last couple UFC events, I think this would be interesting to know.

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin

by ufc4 on Jul 13, 2009 5:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

very cool, I was unaware of that detailed tracking being public visible.
the spike the last week is insane.

by pr0cs on Jul 13, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool, I didn’t know that either, thanks Nate.

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

Some people might say that winning a fight makes you a better fighter but I don’t agree with that.- BlueberryMuffin

by ufc4 on Jul 13, 2009 5:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Make this green

This comment from Kid Nate needs greater attention. I was stunned and happy to learn of this transparency.

A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who

by thetakeover on Jul 13, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and I hope Luke and Co. are being well-compensated by the Powers That Be at SBNation, because this traffic is recockulous:

PAGE VIEWS
    
   Total 14,181,672
   Average Per Day 68,475
   Average Per Visit 2.0
   Last Hour 4,443
   Today 71,208
   This Week 479,326

A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who

by thetakeover on Jul 13, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m responsible for about 12% of that.

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 13, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you’re right. Good deal.

by An Old Friend on Jul 13, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I go away for 24 hours and 10 000 articles pop up.

Keep firing Assholes!

Thanks to Bisping's lack of senses, walla walla walla I'm an idiot.

by Ubernoober on Jul 13, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, same thing happened to me. Suddenly, everyone goes back to work and the site springs to life and a million Fanposts bloom.

A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who

by thetakeover on Jul 13, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Steve Cofield is awesome

He’s a FOF of mine from back when he was at the houston chronicle. It’s been nice to see his career progress.

Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes

by Paynuss on Jul 13, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Point being

Cofield is both awesome and mainstream. Maybe not like big-time mainstream but he has definitely worked in both traditional and new media.

So I agree with you when you say the lines are blurred. It’s not as black and white as some would have it.

Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes

by Paynuss on Jul 13, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's kind of sad,

as I really kind of like TJ Simers. It’s unfortunate that he would go into it with a preconceived notion of what it’s all about.

…though, I suppose when I first started getting into MMA a few years back, I had similar prejudices.

The Fightlinker article is valid. Part of the beauty of MMA is in its imperfection; and a big piece of that is the imperfection of the men who fight.

Mayo is the official sponsor of Zombies everywhere. I don’t trust you. --The Captain of Cheese

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 13, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Really? I’ve always hated Simers and this is exactly what I would have expected from him.

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by Richard Wade on Jul 13, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like his contrarian side.

I like how he does the opposite of what’s expected of him. He comes from a long line of journalists who hated anything remotely acceptable, including your sig line, there.

I suppose I’m a little weirded out being on the other side from him. I guess I never expected MMA to get big enough for Simers to actively hate on it.

Mayo is the official sponsor of Zombies everywhere. I don’t trust you. --The Captain of Cheese

by Leopold Bloom on Jul 13, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah the clincher for me

Was watching the guys on Around the Horn basically crucify Lesnar for the post-fight actions.

Mainstream can go bite it. Did they forget about James Butler (whom might I add killed Max Kellerman’s brother) and Mike Tyson?

Fightlinker gets a +1500 and I’m on the bandwagon as saying the mainstream media can bug off and let the casual fans think for themselves.

"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg

by SSreporters on Jul 13, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we should just make an “old school/new school” distinction, because there are young and enlighted people in the mainstream media. Tony Reali, I believe, is an MMA fan.

by madiq on Jul 13, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony Reali is the man

"And Joe for Matt Hughes, dislike may not be a strong enough adjective!" - Mike Goldberg

by SSreporters on Jul 13, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes he is

Even Wilbon today was admitting the success of UFC 100 – and he hates MMA.

How's the weather up your own ass? - Stephen Colbert

by subo on Jul 13, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are some older folks who like MMA as well.

The Declaration of Hendopendance

by capital L on Jul 13, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since I’m french and here MMA get less attention than this , I’m not even dreaming about mainstream, my friends fight in Germany cause they like MMA more than here, and you saw the media coverage out there, so…

by spectaa on Jul 13, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tu es français(e)? Je pense que tu as aimé beaucoup que M Bisping dormir.

Shameless self-promotion! http://twitter.com/scb0212
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Jul 13, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point Luke makes about the media is accurate

but not to be overstated.

There is a lot of old, dead wood that will never accept MMA.

But it’s also true there are lots of young journalists who are also MMA fans.

Judge them by their work, not medium.

A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who

by thetakeover on Jul 13, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is something inherantly hip about the sport not being mainstream that I’m sure appeals to it’s target demographics. Mainstream attention is a two edged sword in a lot of ways, it’s not some kind of holy grail of acceptance. I think a lot of us get too wrapped up in this kind of thing(me included) but when you get down to it the sport is developing fine as far as media growth goes, this stuff shouldn’t happen overnight.

by who me on Jul 13, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It is funny how that idiot Steve Cofield calls out another writer for doing the same thing he does with regularity…

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Jul 14, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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