Did the Nevada State Athletic Commission Do an Adequate Job Drug Testing for UFC 100?
Ivan Trembow has his doubts:
None of the fighters on the UFC 100 card were subjected to the Nevada State Athletic Commission's out-of-competition drug testing program, as confirmed by NSAC Executive Director Keith Kizer on Sunday morning.
Out-of-competition drug tests differ from the NSAC's usual drug tests in the sense that with the out-of-competition testing, fighters do not know when they are going to be tested ahead of time.
Drug testing on the day of the weigh-in or the day of the fight is, of course, going to fail to detect a significant percentage of dopers because they will have had weeks to use advanced methods of flushing performance-enhancing drugs out of their bodies....
Even when no other out-of-competition drug testing is performed, the NSAC usually orders out-of-competition tests to be performed on fighters who have previously failed drug tests in the state of Nevada.
In the case of UFC 100, that was not done. Stephan Bonnar was not ordered to take an out-of-competition drug test, despite the fact that Bonnar previously tested positive for Boldenone after a fight against Forrest Griffin in 2006. Boldenone is an anabolic steroid used by veterinarians to rehabilitate injured horses.
There's always been an aspect of the fox watching the hen house with the NSAC, especially given the Fertittas very close relationship with the commission. Lorenzo Fertitta was a member of the commission from November 1996 to July 2000. Zuffa Vice President of Regulatory Affairs Marc Ratner was NSAC Executive Director from 1992 to 2006.
I'm not saying that Zuffa doesn't want drug testing of its athletes, but I'm also saying that I'm certain it's better for business if there are not a string of inconvient positive test results before a big event.
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Wait for it......
You know it’s coming.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Jul 12, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m just glad an event with both GSP and Akiyama came and went with no greasing allegations.
by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GSP looked to have a huge chuck of something on his shoulder and arm before the fight, but the commission got a towel to wipe it off…
:-)
it did just look like a chuck fell from his face onto his shoulder though…
by Reaser16 on Jul 12, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has the NSAC ever actually implemented this program? I thought this was more of an across the board failure. I’ve certainly never heard of anyone being suspended for an out-of-competition positive result.
by An Old Friend on Jul 12, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless fighters are subjected to round-the-year blood and urine testing, I will assume all of them are doping.
Note I said “all of them.” This way I don’t get all uptight about fighter A having an unfair advantage over fighter B, because I assume both are doing it.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Jul 12, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ivan Trembow is perpetually pissed off about something. I don’t think that dude has ever had a happy day in his life.
What he fails to take into account here is that out-of-competition testing costs money and Nevada, like most of the other 49 states, is flat broke. When across the board budget cuts get handed down from the statehouse, something has to go.
NSACs out of competition testing program was great, but it was also went well beyond the industry standard testing protocols. They simply cut their testing back to the industry norm. Hopefully, someday when the Nevada coffers are overflowing with cash again, they’ll start the program back up. Until then, it will be a victim of state government belt-tightening.
by Steve4192 on Jul 12, 2009 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Exactly, what I thought
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 12, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…but that would destroy the whole evil UFC conspiracy theory of the Fertittas and the NSAC in bed together. That was the angle that Ivan was getting at of course. He’s a real proponent of the Meyrowitz myth as well.
by cyph on Jul 12, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Once upon a time, Ivan was a good MMA Journalist. Not it seems the only things he writes about are complaints about Zuffa.
by Lynchman on Jul 12, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The shame is that I think he’s right about a number of things (mostly involving fighter safety), but he comes off as such a foam-mouthed lunatic that no one takes his legitimate points seriously. That EA story mentioned below really doesn’t do him any favors, but sadly I think the black helicopter shit is his passion these days.
by An Old Friend on Jul 12, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
people have of course skipped right over this point. Let’s see, Nevada can keep, say, chalk in high school classrooms, or pre-fight drug testing for fighters. Real tough call there.
by andherewego on Jul 12, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zuffa could institute their own drug tests, like every other major sport.
I’m not saying that Zuffa doesn‘t want drug testing of its athletes, I’m just saying.
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by capital L on Jul 12, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They test themselves when they’re overseas – no commish in the UK tested Leben, that was all Zuffa.
I’d rather it be under an independent body (despite dipshits like Trembow trying to pretend like the UFC owns the NSAC)
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by subo on Jul 12, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those sports do it outside of the individual organizations, teams don’t do the drug testing the leagues do. That’sone of the reason there are athletic commissions (which perform the same services for that major sport boxing).
by who me on Jul 12, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s an important distinction, and one that I am aware of. The UFC is in a somewhat different position that even the largest boxing promoters, of course.
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by capital L on Jul 12, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I am not a hyperbolic conspiracy touting anti-Zuffa grouse—I was just making the observation that Zuffa always has the ability to do their own tests.
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by capital L on Jul 12, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The position that any in house testing they did would have it’s credibility questioned. Even so they do it themselves overseas where there is no santioning body, they also have been pushing England to formally sanction the sport and start doing the testing as an independant outside organization. Zuffa wants the testing done, they want it done by a credible outside source that insures there are no questions of collusion (which is part of what makes this article so odd). If the UFC wanted to control the testing and the results then they could just do it all in house and hold events outside of sanctioned areas.
by who me on Jul 12, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, I don’t disagree with any of that, and I don’t agree with the general gist of the article at hand. All I was responding to was the idea that if a commission chooses not to perform a test, then no tests could possibly be performed.
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by capital L on Jul 12, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck you, Ivan Trembow.
I just don’t know what else to say.
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by subo on Jul 12, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m certain its better for business
GODDAMNIT LEARN HOW TO USE AN APOSTROPHE
(I’m trying new editing methods in an effort to prevent errors before they occur)
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by subo on Jul 12, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It gets better
According to USA Today, during a recent Q&A session with fans, UFC co-owner Lorenzo Fertitta recently “called out EA Sports for passing up a deal with the UFC on a video game and then coming around after the success of UFC 2009 Undisputed to do another MMA game.”
That is some nice revisionist history (from someone whose company has been engaging in plenty of revisionist history recently). The launch (and sales success) of UFC 2009: Undisputed came in May 2009. EA Sports has been working on an MMA video game since 2008, and multiple media outlets wrote about it in 2008, including MMA Payout and the Wrestling Observer.
The UFC’s management was fully aware of the existence of EA’s MMA game in 2008, as that was one of the major reasons that the UFC threatened its roster of fighters into signing away their lifetime exclusive video game rights for free (ie, to ensure that they couldn’t appear in EA’s game).
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 12, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was from Ivan btw.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 12, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
These things read like the ‘Obama is a secret Muslim’ shit from last year. It’s going to just look hysterical in a couple of years.
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by subo on Jul 12, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1. Why are you disagreeing with this guy? I thought since you are so adamant about testing, you would agree year-round testing would be good, or am I overlooking something?
2. Have you seen Coleman/Bonnar yet?
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by themachiavellian on Jul 12, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love testing, but there’s no explanation for why the test didn’t happen – which, I’ll bet everything I own, state government cutbacks due to the recession. It’s just conspiratorial ‘biggest UFC event and no extra random (read: out of the ordinary) testing beforehand Fertitta Dana Satan HMMMMM?’ bullshit without, you know, including an explanation from Kiser as opposed to just his confirmation. I’ll also bet that Bonnar had to piss for the fight.
I’m not a fatalist about drug testing – I don’t think the system is being routinely fucked with simply due to the sheer number of fighters/athletes (who surely know all about cycling and masking) that still get caught. Manny Ramirez got caught taking fucking fertility drugs. These guys just aren’t that good most of the time, and the tests don’t suck. Trembow’s just trying to mar the most successful night in the history of the sport on the day after. It’s sad.
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by subo on Jul 12, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manny got caught...
After passing something like 7 or 8 tests? Jason Giambi never tested positive, Sheffield didn’t either. But those last two we know are guilty because of leaked testimony; not failed tests.
I want blood tests, and year-round. Anything less is a waste of time.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Jul 12, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's plenty of issues...
…with UFC 100.
Just add 1 more.
by MickDawg on Jul 12, 2009 10:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
2. No – anyone that’s got the goods, my e-mail is on my profile
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by subo on Jul 12, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sent – I had found a link, so that’s why I asked.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 12, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ivan conveniently forgot that the EA MMA game was not officially announced until after the success of the UFC game. That guy is absolutely predictable. If there’s anti-UFC angle, Ivan’s on the job.
If he truly believed that the MMA game was worked on since 2008, then where are the footage? There aren’t any. There isn’t a pre-rendered video like THQ had two years ago. One full year is enough to get early marketing footage for any game. There isn’t any. Why is that?
by cyph on Jul 12, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out-competition drug testing is a lot of money, an Nevada is already low on funds.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 12, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am wondering
Did anyone at Zuffa, wronged Ivan during his time at MMA Weekly? He is so anti-Zuffa, just like Rob Joyner on MMA Payout. Zack Arnold can be a conspiracy theorist most time, but he gives Zuffa props when it is due.
by The Bronzeville Bully on Jul 12, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My understanding is that he’s always been kind of a moralizing reactionary, even going back to his pre-MMA Weekly days when he was a pro wrestling fan posting on boards. The first stuff I read by him was very much trumpeting UFC at the expense of WWE, which in retrospect was probably a reaction to the scumminess of pro wrestling or his distaste for Vince McMahon or whatever.
by An Old Friend on Jul 12, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he just has an incessant need to back the insurgent, but it’s fucking annoying.
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by subo on Jul 12, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never gotten the whole pre-fight drug test thing, as long as they test on fight day it’s fine.
by Raker on Jul 12, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Even if they did test, would they be testing the right guys?
by Simco on Jul 12, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wtf? where and when is that pic from I seriously question what Rampage is on half the time.
by Raker on Jul 12, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFC 100 Weigh-ins
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by capital L on Jul 13, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rampage isn’t who was the subject of my post.
by Simco on Jul 13, 2009 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fertitta has chicken legs.
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by subo on Jul 13, 2009 3:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Bonnar should get year round testing for something that happens 2+ years ago. He has tested clean several times.
There should have been some surprise testing a month or two back, but the failure to do so is a more a matter of government screw-ups than anything else.
by Lynchman on Jul 12, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does any other state even have a out-of-competition drug test program? Hard to make a conspiracy case about them not doing an adequate job when the so called proof is that they didn’t do any extra testing that no one else does either.
by who me on Jul 12, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's the only sketchy thing
Here’s how it works: The commission contacts a licensed fighter, notifies him he has been selected for an out-of-competition test and provides instructions about locating the nearest accredited laboratory. The lab is also contacted, and the fighter has two days to show up, present photo identification and submit a urine test. Here’s the problem: Two days is ample time for someone to flush their system of many banned substances.
Those labs can detect the flushing enablers better than the actual drugs. Maybe the writer doesn’t understand that aspect of testing. That’s how Manny got busted, that’s how must people fail their work place drug test.
He’s not at fault for pointing out there is ample time for MMA fighters to use PEDs in training to their fights. I don’t know if PEDs provide that great of benefit if you have to jump off them 3-4 weeks prior to the fight to pass a test. At least they will allow a fighter to train better through injuries. I do agree that it’s naive to think guys are clean when they constantly given a few months to cycle without testing. Every sport that is the case usually comes up dirty.
by bignerd on Jul 13, 2009 5:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think there needs to be some organization that oversees the drug testing fr all the sports in the US. I’d say WADA, but I’ve heard too many horror stories from them, so it would probbaly be better if all the major US sports leagues would team up and organize it themselves, but the fact remains that the none of the major sports are really willing at this time to make a strong stand against steroids. There’s always outrage when someone gets caught, but if the NBA, MLB, NHL, and NFL really wanted to get rid of steroids, they’d be doing a lot more.
I’d like to see more testing, but I don’t think the UFC shoudl start working on their own comprehensive drug testing program until they have finished getting sanctioning in all 50 states, 1 battle at a time. A show in MSG would help more than a steroids problem would hurt at this point in time.
by Phildo on Jul 13, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It all comes down to money. Drug testing costs money that people either don’t have or don’t want to spend right now.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 13, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know that much about PEDs and god knows there is enough misinformation out there, but wouldn’t flushing the drugs out of your system also flush the effects of them? Taking a hard core steroid and cutting it out to be ready to test clean would require a lot of hormone replacement to maintain your levels of training. I know masking stuff is out there and tests, even when they include blood samples (Which no AC’s tests do) are not going to find everything. A lot of times a guy gets popped for diuretics, but they are treated like they are on roids because diuretics are masking agents (Cowboy, Alves).
by szucconi on Jul 13, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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