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UFC 100 Post-Fight Analysis: Yoshihiro Akiyama's Win Surrounded by Controversy

1058_mediumUFC 100 wasn't exactly the epic event everyone was hoping for, but there were some entertaining matches on the card along with another judging controversy that some fans are calling "robbery". I took the time this morning to watch the Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Alan Belcher fight two more times to confirm my initial judgement that Akiyama had defeated Alan Belcher, and I'm even more convinced now that Akiyama won that fight.

Interestingly enough, many fans scolded the judge who scored the fight 30-27. At the time, I was definitely siding with fans that 30-27 was overkill and a 29-28 scoring was much more realistic in this fight. After watching the first two rounds once again and even for a third time, I'm not so sure I agree that the judge who scored the bout 30-27 was completely off his/her rocker.

The first round was decisively Akiyama's round. He landed more shots, landed a couple of kick/punch combinations, was able to control Belcher on the ground toward the end of the round.  The only real damage that Belcher inflicted was a shot that downed Akiyama and opened up a slight cut below his eye. While it was a drop shot, it was just a flash, not a finish. The rest of the round was easily Akiyama's round. Oddly enough, Belcher's trainers told him he was getting the better of the exchanges when it was evident he wasn't.

The second round is a controversy. Akiyama worked his ground game for the first 3 minutes of the round, racking up control points. This judging dilemma when looking at this fight and trying to evaluate it. Akiyama's ground control and shots he landed while pounding on Belcher in the first three minutes of the round are likely being compared to the final two minutes in which Belcher landed some solid leg kicks and some decent power punches. Akiyama landed one solid counter right hand with :10 seconds left, and Belcher's flurries in the final two minutes weren't anything spectacular.

Did he steal the round? Most fans believe so, and I'd probably give the round to Belcher at the end. Does it warrant scolding a judge for a 30-27 decision at the end? No. It was a judgement call based on ground tactics vs. Belcher's punching at the end of the round. Belcher wasn't overwhelming nor impressive with his shots, but he did land more in the final two minutes of the round.

The third round was the subject of many fans' rants regarding a robbery decision... including Joe Rogan who tweeted that Belcher was "F*CKING ROBBED". I completely disagree with Rogan's assessment, and i'd be interested to hear his explanation regarding the fight.

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Akiyama eats a couple jabs, but then lands a solid three-four punch combination early. Belcher and Akiyama exchange blows with Belcher landing some body shots but eating jabs from Akiyama on the way out. Belcher lands a couple of kicks and small jabs, and at this point in the round, a slight edge to Belcher is probably warranted. Belcher continues to try to kick, but Akiyama lands a spinning back kick and a solid left to counter. Belcher swings for the high head kick and misses. Akiyama counters with two decent combinations, then a solid right hand against the fence on Belcher. Belcher eats two more jabs as they hit the center of the cage. Belcher goes for the leg kick, Akiyama punches at the same time dropping Belcher. It was probably more of an off-balance fall, but Akiyama did land a power shot.

Belcher throws a superman punch that lands on Akiyama. This is probably the most overrated strike of the fight, and Rogan and Goldberg go a bit nuts over it. Akiyama lands a stiff left jab after the two reset in the center. Belcher lands a leg kick, then goes for a spinning back fist as Akiyama is nearly grabbing him for the takedown. Akiyama trips Belcher, takes him to the floor into side control. The flurry at the end of the fight saw Akiyama land two more solid jabs while Belcher landed a body kick.

How should we score round three? I scored it for Akiyama, and I stand firm on that call. He landed some big strikes throughout the round while the commentary team focused mostly on Belcher's leg kicks. The big problem is that judges don't focus heavily on leg kicks versus punching. However, I still think Akiyama landed the more quality strikes within the round. The takedown was the deal closer. Even though Akiyama didn't do much with it, he did take down Belcher into side control. This is definitely another problem with the current judging system as takedowns without damage are normally scored in some way. It was, however, a takedown at an opportune time, and he managed to put Belcher into a dangerous position immediately.

I officially scored it 29-28, and I can safely say that this decision wasn't "robbery" by any means. In fact, I felt when the decision was given to Akiyama that the judging had prevailed in actually being knowledgeable as to what was going on. 30-27 was a bit extreme, but a 29-28 decision for Akiyama was my outlook on the fight.

In watching the overall performances of both fighters however, it's evident that neither fighter is a world beater by any means. Belcher looked slow at times, much slower than in past events. Akiyama's gas tank drained in the second round, and I would have thought his judo game would have been a major part of trying to work the clinch on the fence. We didn't see that. Akiyama isn't the answer the UFC is looking for when we talk about guys in the middleweight division that can contend for the title, but he'll be a nice international draw for the UFC.

I definitely wasn't impressed with "Sexyama" in this matchup, and it almost looked as if he didn't take his first match in the Octagon seriously. Hopefully, he'll get back into better shape for his next match.

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Who really won?
30-27 Akiyama
204 votes
29-28 Akiyama
1300 votes
29-28 Belcher
490 votes
30-27 Belcher
23 votes

2017 votes | Poll has closed

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solid breakdown of the fights

did you happen to sleep last night?

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by Kid Nate on Jul 12, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I mean fight.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 12, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

Did I happen to fight last night?

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys have to understand that belcher trained with eddie bravo

So rogan would be a bit biased.. It’s normal for a person to think that belcher or akiyama won because of was really close.. I guess since he was a bit emotionally involved it made him hit the robbery button..

I do t blame him though. The fight couldve gone either way depending on how the judges score fights, and a combination of rogan not agreeing with the call and him being emotionally attached made him say “robbery”.

by Anton Tabuena on Jul 12, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Ahh, that might explain it.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Controversy for the sake of controversy.

by jebushchrist on Jul 12, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.

They need to make Rogan wear a T-shirt with the fighters name whom he is currently nut hugging. 4 people had it for Sexyama here last night. Two 29-28 and two 30-27 (both wrestlers).

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by Riney on Jul 12, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what about Goldberg, too

I just couldn’t believe it when Goldberg got on his soapbox and started editorializing about it. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but something about hearing the company shill turn around and call such a close fight a clear-cut robbery was really irritating to me. I expect an opinion from Joe Rogan, but not from the cue-cards guy, you know?

by LBo on Jul 12, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I couldn’t hear anything because of where I was at when I saw this fight and I thought it was definitely 29-28 Akiyama. Was the commentary sort of like the Rampage-Jardine fight? I really didn’t see Belcher winning two rounds and I was surprised when it was a split decision. It was a close fight but no way in hell was that a robbery.

by bla10cow on Jul 12, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice breakdown, BUT.

I still think Belcher won. I rewatched it as well and I see a draw at worst and a 29/28 card for Belcher at best. The best thing I can say is everyone sees things different. As shown by one judge giving “Sexy” a 30-27 card, yet another saw a 29-28 Belcher (how does that happen, it’s called an opinion). You can say what you want, but I just see this fight a little different.

One thing I would like to see is a rematch, It’s just to bad it won’t be both guys next fight to show who really is better.

by JustinWF on Jul 12, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who did you

give 10-8 round too? Or which round did you score 10-10?

by Riney on Jul 12, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No 10-10

I had the first round going to 50-50 (leaning towards “sexy”), but the second Belcher gave him a clean shot on the chin and put him on his butt the round turned to a 10-9 (It seems 50-50 how people score clean knockdowns, but it’s a point changer for me), but I could see a 9-9 round too. The second round went to “Sexy” and the third went to Belcher, so Belcher win or draw.

My one issue is with people saying your crazy, or if you look at match differently,“you don’t know MMA”, those comments are a joke and make the person saying them a “JOKE” (and I’m not talking about you Riney, you made no such remark). Also to all saying “leg kicks” are not point worthy, you don’t know MMA and anything you say will be taken with a grain of salt. Kicks are just as good as punches when scoring a round, and if you don’t think they have an affect on a fighter, just ask them the next few days after the fight when they try and walk. Kicks, takedowns, punches, sub’s, knees, who’s pushing the action, etc all weigh into points in a round, not just a few hard punches.

by JustinWF on Jul 12, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Classy

Here’s a guy saying he would score a round 9-9 in a 10 point must saying other people don’t know about MMA.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you’re wrong. Because Belcher put Akiyama down doesn’t mean he won the round. By my estimation, Akiyama went on to still win the round even after the knockdown. It was clear cut.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You need to calm the hell down...

Calling someone a “douchebag” for expressing an opinion is flat out ridiculous. If you have an opinion, be prepared for others to argue with their opinions. Make points and counter with elaboration on your own points. Make it an intelligent debate, not a debate in which you resort to calling someone a “douchebag”.

This isn’t the Sherdog forums. Be respectful for the vast differences in opinion.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone who thought Belcher won that fight doesn’t know what their watching. And I was furious that Rogan and Goldberg took a serious stand against the decision. 30-27 Akiyama. Leg kicks didn’t win Belcher the third round when Sexyama was jabbing him like a speed bag and scored takedowns. Be serious people..

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interestingly enough, I felt that Belcher’s head slapping back like it was being hit like a pinata was very disadvantageous from a judging standpoint. Akiyama’s blows may not have been as powerful, but they sure looked like it with Belcher’s head snapping back every time.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

My philosophy on damage is that it can be used as a deal breaker, but isn’t a proper judging factor. Some guys tend to bruise and cut more easily, and I’m against the idea that someone with a great deal of scar tissue (Forrest Griffin anyone?) has an automatic disadvantage for their remaining career. Akiyama was scoring so often on that jab and they looked reeeeeally stiff. No matter what Belcher said in the locker room after the fight about Akiyama not rocking him, I guarantee he’s going to have an aching neck and head for the next week.

Also, need to fuck off with their hard on’s for leg kicks. Leg kicks are a set up and softening maneuver. If MMA fights were decided on thigh bruises, I would be significantly less obsessive about this sport. Consequently, these are many of the same people that believed Forrest Griffin beat Rampage, but I think Akiyama’s victory was even more clear than I thought Rampage’s was.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah yes, the ever decisive takedowns

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Because I clearly insisted that alone won it for Akiyama.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact that you include it in your criteria for a win casts doubt on any other part of your analysis. Hope that helps.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because takedowns shouldn’t even count, right? I mean, fuck all that bullshit.

by subo on Jul 12, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hilarity

Look at the number of strikes landed on the ground. Toss that out too, I suppose.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet Mir wish you could do that.

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by themachiavellian on Jul 12, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He probably also wishes his head didn’t look like a pumpkin today.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, they shouldn’t. It’s what you do with a takedown that counts. In this case, Akiyama did capitalize with some strikes on the ground, but not enough, in my opinion, to outpoint the damage Belcher did to him standing.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You obviously don’t watch much MMA.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sexyama won, but he’s way too small for MW.

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by Ubernoober on Jul 12, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

/\

this
I want to see Sexyama vs Fitch, Koscheck, GSP, Hughes, etc

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by Kid Nate on Jul 12, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it, personally

He had the same reach as Belcher and his judo neutralizes the clinch. What, exactly, is he too small for?

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Belcher is a pretty big MW. I wouldn’t go crazy about this at all.

Besides, Akiyama has been fighting bigger guys for quite some time now and he’s not exactly losing left and right.

by a tommy point on Jul 12, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Akiyama looked tiny I thought, even though the reach disadvantage wasn’t that big. But at the same time, if he’s training with Yushin Okami then he obviously thinks he has a good chance against some of the bigger MWs. I’d say if he can hang with Okami in training he will do alrite against the majority of UFC middleweights

by StevenGiles on Jul 14, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

akiyama should hire a good strength and conditioning coach..

I doubt that he has one, and I bet it would help him a lot, just like when machida first hired one… I think he should also try to make the cut to 170 cause he looks a lot undersized at 185..

He’s really strong as an undersized MW, but imagine what he could do If he can make the cut to WW.. If he can’t do it, well at least the trainer would really prevent him from gassing that early.

by Anton Tabuena on Jul 12, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think this should happen as well. He needs to go down to 170. His frame just isn’t that large.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I scored it for Akiyama b/c it seemed to me like he was picking Belcher apart.

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by lovingmma25 on Jul 12, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was the only one cheering in my bar for Sexyama – it made me a sad panda…

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by themachiavellian on Jul 12, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

embrace it

the Sexy One is a born heel.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 12, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Akiyama clearly one the fight ,but hey what do I know mabe this was justice for Belchers win over Herman.

by TLAoutlaw on Jul 12, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The fight metric report is out: Akiyama-Belcher

by Jahbulon on Jul 12, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

29-28 Akiyama

72 Performance Rating for Akiyama, 55 for Belcher. Akiyama outstruck Belcher to the head 65-39, took him down 3/4 times and landed 21 strikes on the ground to two for Belcher.

Why was this controversial again?

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

People got drunk early for this card.

by subo on Jul 12, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Belcher wasn’t phased by any of Akiyama’s punches to the head, while Belcher’s punches to the head had the obvious effect of smashing up his face and knocking him down?

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it warm today in Biloxi?

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, seriously? Because Belcher wasn’t phased by any of Akiyama’s punches? Since when does that matter at all in a fight that went to decision. It doesn’t.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More like surrounded by sexyversy

I like Belcher, but that fight was close enough after two rounds that I can’t really get pissed about calling it either way.

by subo on Jul 12, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Akiyama landed more powershots and controlled on top a lot more often thanks to his takedowns. But other than a rolling slip, Belcher was never even wobbled by anything Akiyama had to give him.

On the other hand, Belcher’s powershots actually did damage to the point where Akiyama’s eye was swollen shut and he managed to score a knockdown. Plus his leg kicks had Akiyama limping.

To me, it’s a no brainer that a guy who does the most damage wins the fight. I had it two rounds to one for Belcher.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To me, it’s a no brainer that a guy who does the most damage wins the fight. I had it two rounds to one for Belcher.

Thank God you’re not a judge.

by subo on Jul 12, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You disagree that hurting your opponent in a mixed martial arts fight should be relevant to a judge?

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, but that’s not what you said. You said ‘a guy who does the most damage wins the fight’ which makes it the only criteria you use. You have to use other things like, oh I don’t know, Octagon control, aggression, effective grappling… some guys cut easily, some guys are fucking models in their spare time and some guys look like Alan Belcher. You can’t give him the fight based on that.

Don’t you normally agree like hell with FightMetric, George?

by subo on Jul 12, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blood is thicker than numbers

And Belcher is clearly his cousin.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not basing this entirely on how Akiyama and Belcher looked at the end of the fight, though Akiyama definitely looked worse. The knockdown and limping are the two most obvious indicators that Belcher did more damage than Akiyama.

Octagon control, aggression and effective grappling are and should only be a means to an end: damaging your opponent.

The fightmetric actually supports my argument in a way, because it confirms the closeness in the striking. When a fight is that close in the numbers, you have to look at how those numbers affected each fighter.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

..and controlled on top a lot more often thanks to his takedowns.

You don’t say..

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you read carefully you’ll understand my point: takedowns do no damage.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, they change position

From a neutral one (both standing) to a dominant/weak one. That has to count.

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by subo on Jul 12, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why? “Dominant position” is just another way of saying “can more easily do damage”, in which case you score the damage and not the position.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You get credit for the positional change, too. It is, and I think it should be, counted. That’s a pretty fundamental disagreement you have with the criteria for judging a fight, there, and that’s why I’m glad you’re not one. As a fan, you can like or dislike whatever style you please, but a guy shouldn’t lose a decision based on that.

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by subo on Jul 12, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you think positional change should be counted?

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lots of reasons. In a round where the striking is even or nonexistant, positional changes and submission attempts are the only thing to go off of. Keeping a guy in a crappier position than the one he wants to be in is one way to win a fight. Keeping a guy on his back when he doesn’t want to be there is not only difficult, it’s incredibly valuable during the course of a fight to cardio and staying safe. If you can outwrestle a guy, you can effectively neutralize him, and you can’t say that about any other discipline, including striking.

Why do you think it shouldn’t?

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by subo on Jul 12, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll give you that positional dominance should win a fight in the absence of all other offense. But that wasn’t the case in this fight.

“Neutralize” is an interesting word choice.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel it fits.

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by subo on Jul 12, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It certainly does, but not for the reason you seem to think.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude...

You’re so lost. It’s not a matter of whether or not any of us think it should be counted; it’s the fact that it does. You haven’t witnessed any rounds that have been stolen on account of takedowns? You haven’t heard an MMA commentator say “(fighter) can seal/steal this round with a takedown”. And you’ve already conceded that Akiyama scored on his takedowns after capitalizing with his striking on the ground, altogether eliminating the purpose of your initial point.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You haven’t even begun to comprehend my initial point: despite everything Akiyama did, he didn’t do nearly as much damage.

I give Akiyama credit for the takedowns only for the damage he was able to score from them. And that, combined with the rest of his performance, wasn’t enough.

Virtually every MMA rule system prioritizes damage over positional control. To think otherwise is to be completely out of touch with the rest of the sport.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What rounds do you give Belcher?

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by subo on Jul 12, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First round for the knockdown. Third round for the leg kicks and superman punch.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was close though, I won’t argue that Belcher was robbed. I just thought he won.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough – very, very close fight.

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by subo on Jul 12, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First round to Belcher is the most blatantly ridiculous judgement I’ve heard from people. Akiyama was knocked down, sprung right back up, and went back to outstriking Belcher for the whole round. It was clear cut and a decisive winning round for Akiyama in my mind.

One knockdown shouldn’t screw you for the entire round, especially if you easily outstrike your opponent. Watch the fight again.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

@Blackout – Yeah, maybe that’s the general thought. MMA is so much different, so I’m assuming that’s his thinking. Akiyama won that round EASILY in my mind. I re-watched it twice.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Akiyama didn’t easily outstrike Belcher in any round, the FightMetric confirms that it was close at best. When the numbers are that close, you have to look at damage done.

Knockdowns should be weighted heavily because they are the clearest evidence that your striking is effectively causing damage.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he did. He beat him in round one in the striking department. You can look at FM’s breakdown all you want, but leg kicks accounted for much of Belcher’s score. Leg kicks don’t get much from the judges, it’s a fact. Akiyama busted Belcher’s face way more in the first.

Basing the entire round on a knockdown is ridiculous. Akiyama popped back up and went on to outpunching Belcher for the rest of the round. I actually can’t believe this is even an argument. I could watch the round over and over and never score it once for Belcher.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Akiyama hit Belcher in the face more. Those strikes were so amazingly effective that they didn’t wobble or even phase Belcher once.

On the other hand, when Belcher hit Akiyama in his face, Akiyama’s nervous system shut down momentarily.

Leg kicks don’t get much from the judges,

But they should, considering they had Akiyama limping after one round.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but the debate isn’t whether they should or not. The debate is in the context of the judging of this particular fight. I agree, they should, but I know they don’t.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think, and even Joe Rogan said, that the shot from Belcher was more about catching Sexy with his feet in a bad spot more than a hard shot.

Sexy knocked Belcher down in the fight too didn’t he?

by Well Read Idiot on Jul 13, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To me, it’s a no brainer that a guy who does the most damage wins the fight. I had it two rounds to one for Belcher.

Except judging isn’t done this way in North America at all. We aren’t talking PRIDE criteria here.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hell, Fedor/CC took place in Japan, and Fedor looked worse after it all, yet still (rightfully) won.

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by themachiavellian on Jul 12, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it’s one of the great flaws of North American MMA judging that a codified priority of judging criteria isn’t clearly outlined. If you’re not prioritizing damage in a combat sport you might as well be fencing.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you’re basing your opinion that he won on a system that isn’t in place.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you aren’t?

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I’m basing my opinion on the judging system currently in place. You want to give Belcher the fight based on more damage, but it doesn’t work that way.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It works however each judge chooses to prioritize the criteria. Your priority of criteria is in no way the official standard in north american MMA, because as you said “you’re basing you’re opinion that he won on a system that isn’t in place.”

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Most judges don’t go purely on damage unless it’s a bloody fight. Over all the fights I’ve seen, it just doesn’t work that way unless it’s a bloody mess of a fight.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really have no way of knowing that at all.

by George Lucas on Jul 12, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure we do, just look at the track record within the UFC in terms of damage versus actual numbers. You can go over to FightMetric and look at breakdowns and compare.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I’m sure you did that before making such a baseless assertion.

by George Lucas on Jul 13, 2009 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need a de-rec button..

by sadface on Jul 13, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what’s awesome? They haven’t made Gunslinger change his sig line.

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by subo on Jul 13, 2009 3:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said I did that. I stated that YOU could go over to FM and do that if you wanted to see for yourself. Definitely isn’t a baseless assertion. It happens all the time.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 13, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Usually when someone makes an assertion the burden of proof is on them. But since you don’t feel like doing the proving yourself I’ll take it as acknowledgment that you know you’re full of crap.

by George Lucas on Jul 13, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had it 30-27 as well.

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by Day Man on Jul 12, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Akiyama?

Because 15 geniuses said 30-27 Belcher.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I scored the fight for Akiyama. He was peppering Belcher with crisp jabs and straights all night and I especially liked the kick-punch combo that he was working.

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by Day Man on Jul 12, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that number is 18 now and I just don’t see how Belcher could have won all three rounds. I’d be interested to know what criteria people used to get to 30-27 Belcher.

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by Day Man on Jul 12, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How are people even calling this a controversy? I only needed to watch the fight once and got a 29-28 decision for Akiyama.

I think people got affected by the commentating of Joe and Mike who both stated that Belcher was clearly winning this fight when he wasn’t.

by FlyByKnight on Jul 12, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know, Rogan went off the deep end, probably got people thinking.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 12, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly what happened

People start to believe this shit when they hear the announcers ravenously disregard Akiyama’s victory. I thought it was total bullshit that they did it. They’ve never taken that hard a stance on a decision.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure where I just read this but credit to whoever brought it up: Belcher trained with Eddie Bravo for this fight.

Need I say more?

I really think Rogan should apologize on the UG or where ever. That was embarrassing for him. Goldie, too.

by a tommy point on Jul 12, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Goldie kept sticking his neck out and I’m more annoyed with him recently than ever before. He went from seemingly having no knowledge of the sport he covers for a living to clearly over-reaching his knowledge. There’s a middle ground, Mike. Fuckin find it.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 12, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Belcher won the fight

The problem he has is that he likes to use his face as a range finder, doesn’t help him with the scoring.

by dualdiagnosis on Jul 13, 2009 4:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What up diagnosis? I haven’t seen you around since Greasegate.

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by subo on Jul 13, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GSP fought again and he had to look for grease.

(sorry had to do it)

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jul 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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