Rumors: The MMA Online Media Giveth and the Online MMA Media Taketh Away
If you'll forgive me for getting all meta, there are a couple of interesting pieces today about the way rumors fly about the Internet. In both cases, misinformation was spread about fighters, in one case by a traditional newspaper and in the other by a fairly obscure web site. In both cases, it was the online media that cleared things up.
First Zak Woods talks about the Jamie Varner situation:
The first report from Vindy.com made the assertion that Jamie Varner was to be stripped of the WEC lightweight title. This report spread like wildfire as MMA blogs and news websites cited it as a legitimate source and why shouldn't they, newspapers and their websites are suppose to disseminate accurate information so blaming the readers for taking the information at face value is a disingenuous argument. Also the Vindy article contained numerous quotes from the WEC General Manager several of which seemed to imply that Varner's fighting career was permanently over.
Within a few short hours many, if not all, MMA websites, blogs and forums were citing Vindy.com's report. Again the grey-beards of journalism would cite this as a deficiency of blogs and other Internet information providers, as they failed to corroborate the information. However, major news outlets follow the same pattern. For instance Chris Mortensen reported that Russ Grimm was to be named the new Steelers coach and the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette website ran with it until the Steelers denied the story. As we all know, Mike Tomlin, not Grimn, was named the Steelers head coach. Or take for example the New York Times recent report that Sammy Sosa tested positive for steroids. Papers and news organizations around the country ran with the story, without corroborating it in house. The same pattern occurred in this instance.
The triumph of the online MMA community was how fast the initial reports were clarified once the WEC's General Manger and Jamie Varner spoke out. Instantly updates went up across the world wide web as MMA and WEC fans quickly realized that Varner's career was not over and he would remain the champion. In this facet the speed and efficiency of the online delivery of information cannot be doubted nor question and should be viewed as a success.
Then there's the altogether more sordid tale of a fabricated Brock Lesnar interview that appeared online and triggered an avalanche of smack talk from Shane Carwin. Mark Figula at FightTicker breaks down what happened:
One such story was posted on a site by the name of Ground n' Pound in which an entire interview with the Minnesotan giant was apparently fabricated. I read the story late last week, followed by some responsive commentary on Five Ounces of Pain from Shane Carwin. What transpired after that was a little rumor storm not unlike what one might find in their local middle school. Posts on popular fight forums, opening all kinds of discussion; calls from friends asking if I had heard about this "feud" brewing, etc... I myself almost got caught up in the hyperbole, making a post more or less to bring an entertaining topic to light rather than to claim it had any credence. Innocent motive or not, isn't that maybe just how rumors spread even further?
Well, just the same, the world keeps turning and, at the behest of some thoughtful and cool heads, I was soon out on a mission to find out the truth rather than simply regurgitate old info with a touch of Mark word spice. The truth as I now know it is as follows:
- After a bit of digging, a close friend got a hold of Brock Lesnar's attorney's information for me. I immediately wrote to him and received a response at a surprisingly late hour. I hope the man is getting well paid, working that much. The official statement from Brian C. Stegeman, Esq. is simply: " The quotes that were attributed to Brock Lesnar regarding, among other things, his thoughts on his upcoming bout against Frank Mir at UFC 100 in an article posted on groundnpound.org on June 23, 2009, were entirely fabricated."
- I spoke with the owner of Ground n' Pound and he commented that the interview with Lesnar appeared while he was away on vacation, the result of his site being hacked. He released an official statement on the site as to the same. The most cynical among us could question if there was a publicity play here. I do recall, however, a hacker getting into our nice cyber home, FightTicker.com, and having a field day with Viagra posts. Hacking is a very real problem and when a hacker has a chance to break into and manipulate a news source the results of the misdeed can have quite a nice - and I mean that in the least pleasant way -- Internet ripple.
- The last bit of information to follow up on was whether or not the published responses of Shane Carwin on Five Ounces of Pain where possibly fabricated as well. Five Ounces is a pretty reputable site so I was going into this thinking that was unlikely and that Shane probably got bamboozled by the made up interview as well. I wasn't able to get a hold of Shane directly but did speak with one of his trainers, Trevor Wittman, who confirmed that Carwin had indeed responded to what he thought was a legitimate piece.
As much as some hanker for a mythical time in the past when news was handled by scientific specialists, carefully vetted and edited before publication, the reality is that information gathering and dissemination is a haphazard process. Always has been, always will be. Personally, I come down strong on the side of more transparency, more voices, more conversation and more accountability. But hey, I'm a blogger.
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Now Nate, did you get Leland’s permission before you posted his picture for everyone to see?
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Jul 1, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rumor: Leland vs SouthAlabmaRampage Possible For UFC 120 In Madison Square Garden!!!!!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, growing up as a child Kimbo Slice was never given any bread with his meals. This is why he insists people... give him his bread."
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 1, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Prediction!
Leland wins via better avatar. :)
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, growing up as a child Kimbo Slice was never given any bread with his meals. This is why he insists people... give him his bread."
by xFenixKnightx on Jul 1, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess...
Imma have to step my game up. : /
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Jul 1, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow… I am disheartened by the fact that MMA community here thinks I look like a complete dork. Although, I do work in the IT industry, in a cubicle farm, and next to people that look like that guy all day long. The difference: I actually drink at a bar on weekends, have a girlfriend, and stressfully gamble my way from rags to riches.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 1, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, of course you support it as a blogger, Nate. We check in, hear the crazy/unbelievable news, and then check back ten or twenty times over the course of the next couple of days to see the inevitable retraction.
by subo on Jul 1, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
got some specific stories in mind to complain about subo?
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by Kid Nate on Jul 1, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is news to me
link?
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by Kid Nate on Jul 1, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those too lazy to click, Michael Rome and Luke Thomas making amends
UPDATE II [from Luke Thomas]: This shouldn’t have happened. Due diligence was missed here. On behalf of the site, I apologize. However, we are committed to transparency and hope the update and clarification are sufficient. If not, let me know.
Update: I’ve been told the summary of the interview I referenced was made up by someone at the underground. I should note however that BJ Penn’s formal legal complaint filed this week does ask for suspension pending the investigation, which would indeed freeze GSP out if he was granted it. I was quick to believe this interview because it was consistent with the formal complaint that was filed. I’ll leave the initial story I posted below.
by subo on Jul 1, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we make mistakes
but there’s no newspaper in the land that doesn’t issue corrections.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 1, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never seen ‘The interview referenced in Wednesday’s paper never took place. We regret the error.’
Not without people getting canned, at least.
All I’m saying is rushing uncorroborated news to the forefront is one of the unavoidable downfalls of blogging – but it’s one I’m ok with.
by subo on Jul 1, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting item about this on The DL with Dan Levy today (great sports podcast). Levy talks about the three competing trends in online media coverage, (no particular order)
1.) being first
2.) who you know (who links you)
3.) Accuracy of the information
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by Zak Woods on Jul 1, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that order kind of sums it up – even that beats corporate media, though.
by subo on Jul 1, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed. And to be fair, retractions and corrections on BE seem to be more prominently displayed than on a lot of newspapers. As a slight aside, I would very much like to see a regulation come in to effect whereby any retraction/correction/apology over an article must fill the same space and be as marked on the paper as the original article did.
Whil I dont doubt that a time where every news article was thoroughly vetted before publication probably never existed, it just feels as though, with the immediacy that the internet brings, that publishing is a game of oneupsmanship and satisfying increasingly demanding audiences to the detriment perhaps of due diligence in some cases.
by -Sam on Jul 1, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, if I gained access to GnP’s admin account, I would not fabricate a story about Brock f—-ing Lesner. They have everything to gain from the traffic bump and a hacker has nothing to gain accept destroying a no name MMA blog’s credibility.
Wording and accuracy are critical, but also are disclaimers and giving credit. There is a lot of copy and pasting going on and its expected due to the fractured system of news delivery in MMA, but sourcing has to be critical. Not so much of the Anonymous sources used by Loretta Hunt, but real people or media outlets.
by szucconi on Jul 1, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just to remind everyone a lot of sports reporting deals with rumor. That is why I mentioned Chris Mortensen’s Russ Grim report bc that was a rumor he reported as a fact which was later disproved
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by Zak Woods on Jul 1, 2009 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know the UG has had a rash of fake stuff posted on it lately, including a fake interview that Rogan referenced on a UFC show.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 1, 2009 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus..
There is no proven way to distinguish the difference between a true story and a false one(rumors) in most instances.
That is why they are just that, A RUMOR.
It is up to the Reader to deem it credible or not, i mean i could go create a profile on the UG and create some April Fools type comments and the internet would be ravin over them, so in reality we as the readers have to be more educated on the subject we are reading on and learn to determine the Credible from the BS.
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Jul 1, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that I think the alternative is better - I don't
The mainstream media filter is paid for by deep pockets, so I’d rather there be no filter at all – it makes you try harder as a fan while upping your page views. Win-win?
by subo on Jul 1, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yea..
I feel ya. But most ppl get that OMFG look everytime they read something and go to a forum and post it but add a little to it and someone else comes along and does the same thing and so on until it just gets ridiculus IE: Kimbo’s First Fight on TUF
by SouthAlaBamaRampage on Jul 1, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s pretty much why I stick to BE and Fightlinker.
by subo on Jul 1, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Again the grey-beards of journalism would cite this as a deficiency of blogs and other Internet information providers, as they failed to corroborate the information."
Yes, we would.
However, major news outlets follow the same pattern.
Not nearly as often
Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Jul 1, 2009 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and not to nearly as big an audience either
more people are misinformed by the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN and Fox News than by all the blogs combined.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 1, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ. Few things misinform quite as well, quite as quickly, or over quite as large an audience as the “blogosphere.”
Good journalism costs money, yet the consumer is unwilling to pay for it. Hence, good journalism is going the way of the dodo.
You are left with debacles like the above.

Although detractors decry (MMA) as a brutal, bloody form of human cockfighting, aficionados know it is a brutal, bloody, totally fucking awesome form of human cockfighting. -The Onion
by The Kittitas Kid on Jul 1, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha I love Donnesbury.
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by Zak Woods on Jul 1, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
read some more up to date thinkers
that line of thought is so musty and brought to us by the same morons who ran the local newspaper monopolies into the ground.
Check out Clay Shirkey and Jay Rosen to get some actual thoughtful opinion on the future of journalism.
It wasn’t blogs that spent the summer of 2001 reporting shark attacks while ignoring the threat of Al Queda.
It wasn’t blogs that decided that O.J. Simpson and Jon Benet Ramsey were the most important stories of their eras.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 1, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this argument taps into the issue of “what is the MSM”
The “media” is really a whole swath of forms that disseminate information. For instance 24 hr cable news is different than the 6:30 nightly broadcasts yet they are often clumped together though they are really two completely diff forms of television media.
Here is an interesting conundrum. Is twitter media? Yes and no. When an athlete tweets that he wants to be traded that is news and information though it is put out in a completely diff form than said athlete calling a reporter to say “I want to be traded”
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by Zak Woods on Jul 1, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they do and the current economic reality (60% of your revenue being based on classifieds) means that MSM will be doing even more of it.
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by Zak Woods on Jul 1, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute….
Did the powers that be just delete that post? Naughty.
by -Sam on Jul 1, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Sam, it does appear that on a post trumpeting transparency, they deleted a comment about Mike Rome’s disappearance from Bloody Elbow. Ironic!
by andherewego on Jul 1, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind you posting about a story that Rome missed
but I thought that was a shitty cheapshot at him.
If you want to say the same thing respectfully and with a link, that’s cool. He’s a big boy and can take it. But he’s not checking the site and I’ll be damned if I’m letting him get kicked in the nuts while he’s not around to defend himself.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 1, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we've been thru all this before
you can say what you want as long as its respectful and on topic, not talking politics or religion (unl’t ess its totally on topic), and not being a dick to anyone.
Especially fighters and the staff of the site.
We don’t make a living running the site, its a hobby and if its not fun, we’ll ban whoever is making it not fun.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 1, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about banning people because banning them is fun.
by szucconi on Jul 1, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not as fun as some think.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 1, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet I continue to exist. Interesting.
by subo on Jul 1, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moral of the story...
Don’t set your password to “Sexyama”
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by Leland Roling on Jul 1, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Last night the ticker on sportsnet reported that Dany Heatley had been traded to the Oilers.
The ticker on sports channels reacts as fast a blogs. in theory they should have better sources as they are more established but I think they get half their info from blogs and twitter now.
I dislike Matt Hughes and Twidder.
by MonkeyCHops on Jul 1, 2009 11:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s a pretty big trade…Wish he would have gone to the Kings. :(
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 2, 2009 2:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My points was, the trade did not happen. The deal was not done and yet Sportsnet reported it.
I dislike Matt Hughes and Twidder.
by MonkeyCHops on Jul 2, 2009 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh…
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 2, 2009 5:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh Contraire
Both these stories had BS written all over them. If anything the Carwin story was supposed pre-Lesnar vs Carwin-fight hype. And the situation with Varner obviously was not true. The WEC wouldn’t do that to a belt holder nor any other major organization for that matter. Not that soon anyway. Either way, Varner will have a very tough time beating Cerrone the second time around..
by GetItOn on Jul 2, 2009 6:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My point was there is an implicit trust between newspapers and readers. This is a fact that grey-berads and anti-bloggers have been saying for some time now.
So when a story is incorrectly reported by a newspaper we can’t blame the blogs for passing along information that the newspapers asks us to believe as true.
The bright spot in this is that the internet can respond quickly to news and retractions as what happened in this case.
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by Zak Woods on Jul 2, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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