Quote of the Day: UFC 100 Smack Talk, Frank Mir Can't Get Cocky About Brock Lesnar, or Can He?

This is from the video right?

Does anyone believe that Mir will KO him? ..even those big fans of Mir tthat ive talked to thinks that Mir will win by sub, not by KO..

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by Anton Tabuena on Jul 1, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

if he fights like he did against Big Nog

I wouldn’t put anything past him. Lesnar’s got insane reach and power but isn’t exactly a polished striker. I could see Lesnar not wanting to take the fight to the ground out of respect for Frank’s grappling and maybe just maybe Frank putting a Ken Hahn clinic on him. I also will be picking Brock to win. : )

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by Kid Nate on Jul 1, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lesnar isn’t polished, but he’s good at the basics. And when you’ve got the reach he does, the huge fists he has, and the power he has, just having a good 1-2 serves Lesnar well. He’s dropped Mir, Herring, and Couture already, and I highly doubt Mir will want to stand with Lesnar in this fight.

by Hardcharger on Jul 1, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well he's certainly not going to be able to

get Lesnar on the ground.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 1, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He could pull guard

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by The Legend on Jul 1, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How about the legendary guard butt scoot?

by soadtrails on Jul 1, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Lesnar just has way too much of a size advantage over Mir to be knocked out standing up. Maybe if Mir was some phenomenal striker he could, but he isn’t. I would say the best option for Mir is to attempt to take it to the ground and go for a submission. I’m predicting a Lesnar victory though.

by tmatte on Jul 1, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

how the heck

is Mir going to take Lesnar down. Talk about a bad idea. Lesnar is a NCAA national champion wrestler, Mir was a Nevada High School state champ. No comparison.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 1, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pull guard. It’s shockingly effective.

by FRANKIE on Jul 1, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mir’s insane if he allows Brock into his guard.

by subo on Jul 1, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention, Lesnar could slam Mir through the mat if Mir doesn’t immediately get him down.

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by AJB on Jul 1, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i mean no ill will towards frank mir, but i would be happy happy man if that happened. the crowd would lose it.

by woooburn on Jul 1, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

People make to much of a big deal about Lesnar being a NCAA national champion

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by The Legend on Jul 1, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, because a strong wrestling background doesn’t correlate into success in MMA…

Wait a minute, that’s exactly what it does!

by subo on Jul 1, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brock has a great wrestling career while Mir had a decent wrestling career.
Mir has an Amazing BJJ game while Brock has well nothing.

advantage Mir

by JaTinkles on Jul 1, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

World class wrestling can negate BJJ. See Hughes/Gracie.

Lesnar has already escaped one Mir submission attempt, I’m sure we’ll see a few more next Saturday.

by subo on Jul 1, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brock has nothing? He has the ability to smash Mir with punches and elbows, and Mir’s guard, while active, is one that allows a lot of damage.

by Hardcharger on Jul 1, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s possible but I am taking Frank by SUB but Kid Nate could be right that Lesnar could not want to take it to the ground. Also did Frank only train with Dellagrotte one week?

Has Brock even been hit in the face clean yet except for like one strike in the Couture fight at the end of the first round that I can think of?

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by The Legend on Jul 1, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yup

Herring caught him a couple of times toward the end of the fight with clean punches, and a few back elbows, but I’m not sure how hard the elbows were.

by proflex on Jul 1, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Personally, I think people are going to be surprised by the beatdown Mir puts on Lesnar.

by Ahhhoki on Jul 1, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i hope your right ^

I really wouldnt be surprised to see brock get picked apart standing. Still picking Mir by SUB

by moopwontplay on Jul 1, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don’t really expect him to KO Lesnar on the feet, I just think he’s going to comfortably control every area of the fight en route to a sub.

by Ahhhoki on Jul 1, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think we’ve said pretty much everything about Mir, his confidence, cockyness, gameplan, mind game and real chances in the octagon against the beast, now I only want to see both men in the cage, cause I can’t speculate anymore :p.

by spectaa on Jul 1, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

^this

come on already! isn’t it the 11th yet??? :(

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by funnytiger on Jul 1, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can I get some of what Mir is smoking?

Cause I think he’s getting high as a kite before watching tapes of their first fight. Sorry Franky… the Lesnar you will fight is “leaps and bounds” ahead of the on you got a chance kneebar on. You took 2 rounds to KO an anemic Nog that a real striker would have take out in Round 1. At this point in Mir’s career, there just isn’t room for massive improvement, while every fight will make Lesnar better.

I think Mir will get land what he thinks is a power shot, Brock will laugh in his face and then fold Mir like a towel with a sloppy straight right.

by Paradoxx on Jul 1, 2009 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow, someone I can agree with

finally, a lot of people on here seem to have been putting too much credence in Mir’s shot to Big Nog then is deserved, the man was gassed, and got caught with a punch, it’s not like Mir KO’d him. As for Mir’s striking, he might be more technical, but he sure as hell doesn’t have that much power behind them. Yes I’ll agree that Mir is experienced and is great at BJJ, but the only reason he won the first fight was because the ref stood them up after one or two blows to the back of the head. Yes illegal hits, but never has that happened before, not even a warning, just stand them up and let Mir recover, Mir is lucky that those two shots didn’t land on the side of his head, if they had, that fight would have been over withing seconds, but instead we have the bullshit that is the win over Lesnar. If Mir gets hit with the same punch that shattered Herrings orbital bone, Mir is going to sleep, or won’t recover until the ref pulls Lesnar off of him.

by proflex on Jul 1, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brock Lesnar punches hard, but he doesn’t punch good.

Most bodybuilder types don’t have very good technique when it comes to throwing punches, and just can’t get the angles to deliver knockout punches, because of their girth. They just don’t seem to be able to turn their punches over. I’m not at all saying that Brock can’t hurt the shit out of someone when he punches them, but I don’t ever see him becoming a KO artist.

Brock Lesnar has zero KO’s. Also, show me another fighter with Brock’s body type who has multiple KO’s on their record. You probably won’t find any, for the reason stated above. Brock might definitely TKO Frank. But I don’t see him putting him to sleep.

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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 1, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Show me another fighter with Brock’s body type.

by Foxskinrug on Jul 1, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly.

And Lesnar doesn’t have a bodybuilder physique. He’s huge and muscular, but he’s conditioned himself in sport specific training. Everything about Lesnar’s physique and conditioning is functional as it pertains to being successful in MMA

by Hardcharger on Jul 1, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

When I wrote bodybuilder type, I meant “hulking mass of muscle”.

:)

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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 1, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

K. Randleman.

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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 1, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ugh.

I think I sunk myself with that comment.

The only others I could think of off the top of my head are Bob Sapp, Bobby Lashly, Mark Kerr, Old Josh Barnett,

Can anyone help me out? Who are some other “hulking masses of muscle” who compete in MMA?

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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 1, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jeff Monson.

by subo on Jul 1, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How did I miss the snowman? Thanks buddy!

Any more?

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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 1, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lesnar isn’t a “hulking mass of muscle” the way guys like Randleman, Sapp, or Monson are. Lesnar is certainly muscular, but the main reason he’s so goddamn huge is because he has the wingspan of a pterodactyl. I can’t think of anybody else in the sport with his frame.

by Foxskinrug on Jul 1, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The point I was trying to make is that when your arms get too huge, it hinders your ability to turn over your punches. That and the wingspan is why I don’t think he’ll ever become a KO artist.

I think that’s why we never see any uber-buff heavyweight boxing champions.

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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 2, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sean Sherk

is the equivalent of Lesnar at LW.

At WW I’d say Matt Hughes is the closest.

by rainmaker6 on Jul 1, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Except Lesnar has abnormally long arms and Sherk has abnormally short arms.

by FRANKIE on Jul 2, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A chance kneebar?

Come on man, give the guy some credit! He pulled off a sick kneebar while being pounded on by Brock’s freakin’ 4XL mitts, and you still down the guy?

If he could pull off a submission under that kind of pressure back then, what makes you think he’s so doomed now? After all, he was already a better MMArtist than Brock back then, and he’s had just as much time to improve his game as Brock had since their last fight. Also, now he’s felt Brock’s power, know’s what to expect, and will be fighting this fight much more strategically.

Mir by RNC or armbar from guard in the later rounds.

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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 1, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I never thought I'd say this

but I have to agree with you, it wasn’t a chance knee bar, but if memory serves me correct, Mir wasn’t taking shots at the time of the attempt, but I could be wrong.

by proflex on Jul 1, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Frank Mir knocks out Brock Lesnar

I’ll stop commenting here.

by subo on Jul 1, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Don't say that Subo

I like your comments.

by Zack Gobie on Jul 1, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

C’mon, man. Unlikely? Sure. Impossible? You should have seen enough MMA by now to know that nothing is impossible.

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by AJB on Jul 1, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

I think Brock Lesnar submitting Frank Mir is on the same level of probability.

Of course, I can parse ‘here’ to mean ‘this thread’ if fucking lightening strikes, but I am literally that confident that Brock Lesnar will not be KO’ed by Frank Mir – remember, Mir didn’t KO Nog, he TKO’ed him.

by subo on Jul 1, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ahh man

it brings a tear to my eye to see people on here seeing the light, and please subo, don’t stop commenting, we all know that Mir isn’t going to KO Lesnar, well unless Lesnar just stands their and sticks his chin way out, and Mir hits him with a sledge hammer.

by proflex on Jul 1, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

if fucking lightening* strikes

*lightning

:P

by FRANKIE on Jul 1, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You can light your ‘Mir Please KO Brock’ candles now

by subo on Jul 1, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t want Mir knocking Brock out. I’d rather see Brock get subbed again.

by FRANKIE on Jul 1, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Still at it are you?

I passed up two additional chances to correct your spelling, maybe I should have pointed those out to you as well. It takes quite a few key strokes and button clicks to create a response like that, so your old “I can’t help myself” excuse doesn’t really hold up that well….don’t you have anything better to do?

by soadtrails on Jul 1, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, calm down. Subo does the same thing to people all the time.

by FRANKIE on Jul 1, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Lesnar is going to run out and land an over hand hammerfist (donkeykong style) to the top of Mirs head and he is going to crush up like a beer can on a Sunday morning cartoon! Oh that statment was driping with sarcasm could you tell? However Lesnar is a beast— truley— Mir just has to much experience in all areas.

by TLAoutlaw on Jul 1, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh I meant all areas of MMA not wresteling , just as a pure wresteler Lesnar is much better.

by TLAoutlaw on Jul 1, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

People always talk about Mir taking Brock down, but they forget that you don’t have to take someone down to submit them Lesnar won’t be safe anywhere with Mir in the rematch.

by Raker on Jul 1, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Except for when he’s in side control pounding away.

by subo on Jul 1, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yup,

If Brock gets side control, I feel bad for Frank (not literally, but…). I don’t know about y’all, but I think side control is better than mount. Easier to control your opponent, and not too easy to get a sweep from if you’re on bottom.

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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 2, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know this is waaaay off topic, so ignore if y’all want, but when did the " ^this" thing become popular, and where is it from? I’ve only started seeing it recently and was just curious. :)

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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 1, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs