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Is Versus the Best Option for the WEC?

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The short answer is, it's probably in the top three, at least for now. Sorry if this analysis is really long.

The WEC's lack of exposure being on a lesser cable network is a very common complain among MMA fans, especially among those who live in the U.S. but still don't get the channel in their line-up. I was wondering what the best potential options might be if the WEC hadn't re-upped their contract with Versus recently, so I consulted a website that lists weekly cable network viewer totals, both in primetime and overall daily averages. I decided to check out the most recent week for which data was available as of the writing of this article, and list the top 50 American cable networks and see both where Versus and Spike stood, and which ones were a bad fit demographically. Out of the top 50 cable networks, Spike was 19th in primetime that week, which I believe is lower than average, and Versus was 30th, which is about average for them as of late. The fact is, Versus has been growing hugely very recently with the acquisition of NHL games and IndyCar races. They just aren't a fourth-tier network anymore. 30th on cable is still pretty far from the top though, and WEC events still do quite a bit above their typical primetime viewership average, so I still wondered if there wasn't a superior alternative.

Something I found though that was very significant, was that out of these top 50 networks, 40 are just immediately bad demographic fits or incompatible thematically to air the WEC. This is just a one week sampling, and the individual rankings obviously fluctuate week-to-week, but the Top 50 don't change nearly as much. Here's the list of the most watched networks in primetime the week of May 25-31, 2009:

Network # of Viewers x 1000 Good fit for MMA?
1) TNT 3,873 Maybe
3) ESPN 3,415 Yes
3) USA 2,979 Yes
4) Disney 2,290 Bad Fit
5) Fox News 1,908 Bad Fit
6) TLC (formerly The Learning Channel) 1,733 Bad Fit
7) FX 1,617 Maybe
8) Nick at Nite 1,567 Bad Fit
9) TBS 1,579 Maybe
10) A&E 1,439 Bad Fit
11) Lifetime 1,291 Bad Fit
12) Discovery Channel 1,287 Bad Fit
13) History Channel 1,226 Bad Fit
14) Family Channel 1,215 Bad Fit
15) Home & Garden TV 1,182 Bad Fit
16) Cartoon Network 1,141 Bad Fit
17) American Movie Classics 1,094 Bad Fit
18) MTV 1,085 It's A Stretch
19) Spike 1,027 Yes
20) SciFi 998 Bad Fit
21) The Food Network 976 Bad Fit
22) TruTV (formerly CourtTV) 954 Bad Fit
23) Hallmark 888 Bad Fit
24) Comedy Central 798 Bad Fit
25) BET 759 It's A Stretch
26) MSNBC
748
Bad Fit
27) TV Land
745
Bad Fit
28) Bravo
724
Bad Fit
29) CNN
695
Bad Fit
30) Versus
654
Yes
31) VH1
652
Bad Fit
32) Animal Planet
651
Bad fit
33) Noggin
622
Bad Fit
34) E! Entertainment Television
621 Bad Fit
35) ESPN 2
591 Yes
36) Lifetime Movie Network
580 Bad Fit
37) Headline News
506 Bad Fit
38) The Travel Channel
457 Bad Fit
39) Oxygen
410 Bad Fit
40) Country Music Television
406 Bad Fit
41) National Geographic
404 Bad Fit
42) WGN
382 Maybe
43) SOAPNet
357 Bad Fit
44) GSN (formerly the Game Show Network)   327 Bad Fit
45) Womens Entertainment
311 Bad Fit
46) Speed
298 Bad Fit
47) Disney XD
281 Bad Fit
48) Nicktoons
273 Bad Fit
49) Discovery Health
264 Bad Fit
50) The Weather Channel
239 Bad Fit

 

At first I didn't have Speed in the "Bad Fit" category, but reviewing their schedule there is literally nothing not automotive related. Black Entertainment Television is in the "Stretch" category since they actually had an MMA reality show, but I wouldn't consider the WEC specifically to fit in well on their network.

This leaves: TNT (1), USA (2), ESPN (3), FX (7), TBS (9), MTV (18), Spike (19), Versus (30), ESPN 2 (35) and WGN (41).

Since TNT is not specifically sports oriented, even if they do some sports, and is usually a Top 4-5 cable network, I doubt they they would put WEC on their network unless it was for free. They're a network for the UFC to look at, should something disastrous happen to their relationship with Spike, but not the WEC. I have a strong feeling that

USA wouldn't want to risk pissing off their #1 franchise World Wrestling Entertainment by putting a Zuffa owned MMA promotion on their network. Whether they'll admit to it or not, the WWE sees the UFC and MMA in general as a threat, as the UFC is the only non-wrestling television programming that they internally keep track of the ratings for on a weekly basis, and there's no guarantee that the WEC will stay away from PPV forever, which is what the WWE would be particularly concerned about.

TBS is a network I have a hard time seeing wanting to take the WEC. The only sports they really do are Major League Baseball. They might consider MMA, but I don't think they would consider a second-tier promotion, and if they did, and if they did, it probably wouldn't be in primetime and they wouldn't do much to advertise it. Meanwhile Versus airs best-of shows and replays all the time.

ESPN might take the WEC, but they'd almost certainly insist on a lot more production control than Versus does, including match-making and commentators. I doubt they would put them in primetime either, or do much to advertise them.

MTV caters to young people, and would probably be open to doing some sort of MMA show, but for that to be the WEC they'd have to completely change their production to something almost unrecognizable. When MTV tried their own wrestling show a few years ago, it ended up being half an hour long and being over the top bizarre, with half the audience made up of paid hipster extras. Not necessarily a bad thing for professional wrestling, but I don't see why their approach would be much different when it came to MMA. They'd probably also insist it be a weekly original series, which would be very difficult to do without taping a whole bunch of "episodes" at once, and then the results would be out for weeks ahead of time. Creative control has been one of the keys to Zuffa's success, and I don't see them giving it up, nor do I think it'd necessarily be a good idea.

Would FX take the WEC? If FX was in the position they were in eight or nine years ago, I think they'd consider it. Today? They might be interested in the UFC, but MMA in general does not fit in well thematically, since they usually don't do any sports, and they get much better ratings than they used to. I just seriously doubt they would be interested in the WEC and if they took it, it'd end up in some slot past midnight.

I could definitely see WGN being interested in MMA and specifically WEC events, but I just don't see them giving the same level of promotion that Versus does, nor do they have a ratings advantage.

So what's left are Spike, ESPN 2, Versus, and I suppose the broadcast networks (NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, CW, and MyNetworkTV), syndication, and premium cable (HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, etc.). NBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox are America's four biggest networks, and are all pipe dreams. They would have no interest. The CW seems like an incredible longshot. MyNetworkTV I believe used to air the IFL, but they may or may not even still exist in a few years. They also air WWE Smackdown, which is their highest rated show, plus they provide less than 20 hours of weekly programming a week, so I don't see them sacrificing any of that at the risk of pissing off the WWE. Syndication pretty much doesn't work when it comes to nationally televised sports, although if the WEC wanted to syndicate a best-of show like WreckCage like the UFC does with UFC Wired, that wouldn't be a bad idea. It couldn't possibly be their main outlet though, and would basically just serve as advertising.

As far as premium cable goes, most of the significant ones are just straight up movie channels with the occasional late-night softcore porn (see Cinemax). The only two big ones that do sporting events like this are Showtime and HBO. Showtime is out, since they already air Strikeforce. I can't imagine that isn't an exclusive agreement. Otherwise I think they just might be on the table. This leaves HBO. I know the UFC was in negotiations with them at one point and it fell through, in part because of creative control issues. I would guess that HBO would be even less high on the idea of letting Zuffa have full creative control over the WEC. I also doubt that HBO would be willing to pay very much for it, and I certainly doubt we'd see them promoting it very much. The best case scenario is if it were rotated into Friday Night Boxing's usual timeslot every other month.

There's definitely a prestige factor that comes with being on HBO, and everyone knows what it is, but since HBO isn't in nearly as many households as a lot of other networks, it doesn't offer a big advantage in the way of exposure in case the WEC wanted to do PPVs. Finally, I would think if HBO were actually interested (and I would bet against it), it would be only a vague interest, and the conditions, creatively, financially, and promotionally, would just be quite unfavorable

This leaves us with just Spike, ESPN 2, and Versus. ESPN 2 is more well-known than Versus, and MMA fits in just fine thematically, but ESPN 2 does not actually offer a ratings advantage. There is also no guarantee that they would give them the same level of promotion on their network, although it's possible, and they might be more open to letting WEC run PPVs, which Versus supposedly may have nixed. I would put them on the table. Probably Versus is the better option, but not definitely.

Between Spike TV and Versus, Spike TV has considerably higher ratings, is better known, and probably would not give a rat's ass if the WEC also ran PPVs. They also are the home of the UFC and have an extensive relationship with Zuffa already, so they would probably be fine giving the WEC ample promotion if they brought them on board. Furthermore, cross promotion between the UFC and WEC would be invaluable. The one caveat would be that Spike TV might not want to be known as "The MMA Network," plus they would in even more of a pickle should their relationship with Zuffa sour, however unlikely that might be.

So, concluding, I'm going to have to say Versus isn't such a bad option for World Extreme Cagefighting after all. Among the most plausible options, Spike would be the most ideal, but Zuffa apparently doesn't want both their babies on the same network, and they could do far worse than Versus.

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Damn. Reccedy rec rec'd.

I was all prepared to come in here with a pissy comment like ‘depends on the options available, BUH DUM TSS’ – and then I read the entire thing. You people put me to shame sometimes. Fuck MTV, FX would be pretty sweet if only to see Denis Leary doing WEC commercials.

I really need to stop slacking and start writing again.

by subo on Jun 8, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good piece.
I always thought Dana should move the WEC to Spike if he could. That’s where the UFC has been and it would be a perfect fit. I REALLY hope they eventually put Bellator on ESPN 2 even if it’s reruns. MMA> Poker.
The one network you didn’t touch upon is HBO (I know it’s ppv). It’s a bit of a stretch though.

by Sokonojudo on Jun 8, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Goddammit, you have a good point on HBO. I’ll edit to address that.

by Chromium on Jun 8, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HBO comes with it’s own set of issues, the first being that HBO sports leadership is anti-MMA, the second is that they will insist on controlling all aspects of programming.

by who me on Jun 8, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as you have

Idiots like Jim Lampley and Larry Merchant making snide remarks about MMA, it won’t work.

They were supposed to have UFC 70 (the night Cro-Cop got KTFO by Gonzaga) on HBO, but no deal was reached. That’s why it was put on Spike TV.

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by SSreporters on Jun 8, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ross Greenburg (president of HBO Sports) is the hurdle to get over and he’s not a fan of MMA, to put it nicely.

by who me on Jun 9, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Greenburg isn’t a fan of Dana… first and foremost.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Jun 9, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am quite sure ESPN get the broadcasting right for Poker dirt cheap, and somehow gets good ratings. I never been a poker guy, but it appears that alot of people dig it, and that is why it is on nonstop on ESPN2.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Jun 9, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of TV

Countdown to UFC 99 airs tomorrow night on Spike (10 or 11 eastern not sure) and Versus is replaying WEC 41 on Wednesday.

by ufc4 on Jun 8, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also, I have seen some UFC events played on MTV2 – not sure what those ratings are like.

I don’t recall seeing any ratings info for UFC Wired – has anyone else here seen ratings on UFC Wired?

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Jun 8, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

UFC Wired is UFC's syndicated show

Syndicated shows’ ratings are measured very differently, and UFC Wired’s are probably not publicly available anywhere. I doubt they are very much at all. UFC probably gets a very small rights fee for it, which would be separately negotiated with each television station, but it serves as advertising for their PPVs and overall product as much as anything else.

Anyway, as I already stated, Syndication is almost literally impossible for live, nationally broadcast sports.

by Chromium on Jun 8, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t know it was syndicated show – that’s interesting.

I have seen ratings for other syndicated shows like Seinfeld and George Lopez.

I don’t understand your last line: syndication is almost literally impossible, nationally broadcast sports. What do you mean by that? I thought syndication was basically reruns – correct me if I am wrong.

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Jun 8, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SpikeTV is a division of Mtv networks, which is a dvision of Viacom. You will see some crossover(for some reason Mtv likes to run Spongebob late night?)

Current/active U.S. channels
Country Music Television (CMT)
CMT Pure Country (was VH1 Country)
Comedy Central
Reelz Channel
Logo
MTV
MTV2
MTV Hits
MTV Jams
MTV Tr3́s (formerly MTV en Español and Más Música)
Nickelodeon/Nick-at-Nite
Nick 2 (actually Nickelodeon/Nick-at-Nite alternate East/West feed)
Nicktoons Network
Noggin (to become Nick Jr.)
Palladia (MTV’s high-definition channel formerly known as MHD)
The N (to become TEENick)
Spike
TV Land
VH1
VH1 Classic
VH1 Soul

by who me on Jun 8, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

some reason = pothead insomniacs

by subo on Jun 8, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Different networks under the same corporate umbrella generally have quite a bit of autonomy. MTV might hold a lot of sway over MTV 2, but practically none over Spike TV. They’re all under Viacom. That Spike TV is part of the “MTV Networks” division doesn’t actually mean anything. Furthermore the UFC’s agreement is with Spike TV, not Viacom. The WWE for instance, has their two top shows on an NBC-Universal network (USA), and a broadcast network owned by Fox (MyNetworkTV), respectively. Meanwhile Versus isn’t owned by any of the Big 5 media conglomerates, it’s actually owned by Comcast. Spongebob re-runs would have been specifically negotiated by MTV and the show’s producers, and could just as easily have gone to Fuse if the money was right and there was an interest there. I think you can guess who MTV feels their target audience is for this show if they’re airing it late at night.

by Chromium on Jun 8, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have seen it on MTV2 in the afternoon

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Jun 8, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MTV2 basically is a place to show MTV re-runs. They are joined at the hip. I would still assume that the option to air something on MTV2 would be a standard part of any MTV contract. MTV=MTV, MTV2, VH1, VH1-C. Kind of how there are actually like a dozen or more networks that are “HBO.” Viacom still isn’t able to switch things around as they please, with extremely rare exceptions.

Keep in mind that Showtime (which airs Strikeforce) and Spike TV are both part of Viacom.

Hell, the production arm of a conglomerate can actually end up producing one of its shows for someone not part of their umbrella if they can’t find a home for it under the same tent. Buffy The Vampire Slayer aired on both the WB (Time Warner) and later UPN (Viacom), but was produced by Fox.

by Chromium on Jun 9, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Viacom and CBS corp. split on December 31, 2005 it’s two completly separate companies now (although Sumner Redstone is still the largest shareholder in both companies). CBS corp. runs CBS, the CW( a joint venture with Time Warner) and the Showtime networks. They no longer have any association with Viacom besides Sumner Redstone’s National Amusements interest in both companies.

by who me on Jun 9, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Mtv family of networks do share a lot of shows, same as the Fox family of networks do. They give each other favorable treatment for reruns and such. Being in the same family of networks does have advantages within that network family.

by who me on Jun 9, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fox may give favorable treatment to their own networks when negotiating syndicated re-runs (different type of syndication that what I was talking about in the piece above), but it’s generally with the shows they produced themselves (like FX airing the afforementioned Buffy The Vampire Slayer, which never aired on a Fox-owned network during its first run, or FX airing the X-Files, which was both produced by Fox and aired on their primary network).

Seriously, Spike and MTV just do not share the same shows that way. It doesn’t matter if they are under the same subsidiary umbrella within Viacom. Also I would be absolutely shocked if there was any language in their contract that allowed UFC programming to be re-run on MTV without their consent (and subsequent payment).

by Chromium on Jun 9, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No they don’t just pass them around without paying, I’m saying they pass them around without paying as much as they would make an outside network pay. Lots of stuff from Spike and Nick end up on Mtv and Mtv2, particularly at odd hours, likewise I have seen Spike show huge blocks of old Mtv shows like Jack Ass late nights too. They do seem to prefer to get content from each other instead of outside the family.

by who me on Jun 9, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best option for WEC isn't Versus For One Reason Only

Todd Harris is the announcer.

Put WEC on Spike. That would be a nice Fight Night idea. Start off the broadcast with WEC fights and then finish off with the big boys.

I don’t see ESPN airing UFC any time soon. They’ve cut back on their boxing and dropped K-1. The closest they’ve gotten to MMA combat is Joe Rogan choking out Lou DiBella during that debate eons ago.

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by SSreporters on Jun 8, 2009 11:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what about fox sports? doesn’t everyone get it? they already show some pride and ifl fights.

by Corey N on Jun 9, 2009 12:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WEC is on Versus for now and probably a long time. Zuffa does not want anyone else taking that MMA slot, especially since people who watch Versus are used to seeing the WEC.

A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.

by iiowyn on Jun 9, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Versus is a pretty sucky channel but they are willing to grow with the WEC and that is the kind of situation Zuffa seems to enjoy being in. They may not have the same exposure for the shows as with bigger networks but then they wouldn’t have the same leverage to get what they want either.

by who me on Jun 9, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, gotta agree with that. And Versus is growing pretty fast these days.

by Chromium on Jun 9, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have watched more on Versus since they’ve added WEC – I watch bullriding, The Contender, Holy Sh*t!

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007

by lovingmma25 on Jun 9, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and NHL!!!!!!!

Don’t forget hockey!

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by duck on Jun 10, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When talking about lateral moves this is an applicable argument.

However I doubt even 1% of the audience who watches WEC on Versus doesn’t know that the UFC airs on Spike. I still feel Spike would be ideal for the WEC, and if they jumped there they’d gain a hell of a lot more viewers than they lost. Zuffa probably has other reasons for not putting the WEC on Spike. Versus is likely the best alternative it seems.

by Chromium on Jun 9, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly wonder if Spike just doesn’t want to flood their network with MMA. I think Versus was also very interested in MMA programming, if they didn’t show WEC then they would of found someone else to cut a deal with so it’s also serves that function being there.

by who me on Jun 9, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fox Sports are not a top 50 network. Also, they are regionally split up, so any live event might get pre-empted if a particular regional arm felt that it was more important to show local college football, for instance. I’m pretty sure their highest rated show, The Best Sports Show Period, has fewer viewers than what Versus averaged in the above weekly sampling. Yes, Fox Sports is well known, but this is one case where I just think the WEC can do better. Since people usually have to order a sports package to watch Fox Sports, they just aren’t that well known.

by Chromium on Jun 9, 2009 12:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And this is why BE is the best..

Verrryyy good post. Lots of valid points and well articulated.

This should get more rec’s!!!

by Anton Tabuena on Jun 9, 2009 1:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think people need to realize what type of state Versus is in.

They have an ungodly bad contract with the NHL. They have gotten beyond disappointing ratings even with their recent upswing with the finals.

I remember reading on the DanR chat why they have the contender on Versus because it was dirt cheap and get significant ratings compared to what they put in. I am sure they want to have more combat sports because the returns are great for what they put in.

With that said I don’t think Versus will get some big pockets anytime soon until it gets rid of the NHL contract.

The other channels(ESPN 2) just don’t have the $$$ to really commit themselves to another sport. They can’t drop like NCAA softball because it is a part of their contract to host football games, basketball games, and what not.

Spike? I honestly don’t think so.

Fox Sports is a regional channel, so forget that idea.

The best case is that we have to hope that the Versus people gets some buzz around it and gets bigger.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Jun 9, 2009 2:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Beyond disappointing?

Versus has broken their own viewership records during the finals.

by ricker2005 on Jun 9, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They paid 200 million dollars for the NHL rights… they aren’t getting good ratings for what they paid for. Think about that.. how much do they pay for WEC and compare the ratings that they get.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Jun 9, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Viewers weighed against profit

It’s true there are more viewers, but are there enough to float that $200M rights bill? I seriously doubt it. So the fact that Versus has set records during the Finals is somewhat irrelevant – even at record levels, it’s still not enough to pay the freight for the rights bill.

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by duck on Jun 10, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TNT, Spike or just stay on VS IMO. TNT would be my first choice though. They used to air WcW Nitro back in the day and they used to cross promote it with their NBA programming. They could do the same with WEC. I’m actually surprised they don’t have any kind of MMA programming right now. :(

When I was telling friends (casuals) to watch WEC this past Sunday they were all like “what channel?” I said VS. All I heard was…

crickets.wav.file

It’s frustrating.

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by xFenixKnightx on Jun 9, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

USA also won’t do it because they have original series that are doing fairly well in primetime time slots. Burn Notice (fantastic god damn show), Monk, all that damn Law & Order… they are produce ratings.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 9, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Michael Weston is my hero.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jun 10, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO, ESPN2 is the best option.

They had god damn little 5 year olds on there doing karate competition routines screaming like they were the devil. It wasn’t any fighting. I could do without cheerleading competitions, and billiards competitions.

Add WEC to ESPN2.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 9, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why when Versus has more viewers?

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by iiowyn on Jun 9, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Versus doesn’t have a huge ratings advantage over ESPN 2, only a slight one, and they’ve only jumped ahead of them as of a few months ago. Versus is definitely growing but I would guess ESPN 2 is still available in more homes. I would put them as being roughly equivocal. There is a big advantage to staying on Versus though in that WEC fans already know to find them there, and switching networks, particularly with something that doesn’t even air every week, always ends up with some casual fans not finding a show’s new home and losing interest.

by Chromium on Jun 9, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea I didn’t even know I had Versus on my cable until the WEC got on there, it’s getting better but it really is a black hole. I may not watch a lot of ESPN 2 but I know where it is, not to mention a lot of the stuff on 2 gets advertised on ESPN so I know when something is coming on that I do want to watch. Still I’ve got a feeling that if ESPN 2 wants to jump into MMA it will be with the product they already have, Bellator.

by who me on Jun 9, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah… with my cable guide it is still listed as the OLN channel. I mean if you saw the channel named the outdoor life channel, more likely than not you would not even turn to it.

"Boxing is dirty," said Casamayor. " The day I’m not ready to be a dirty fighter is the day I don’t fight anymore because it will mean that I have no heart for it anymore."

by Zocalo on Jun 9, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was OLN pre-2006. Obviously no one ever bothered to update for the name change from 3 years ago, which speaks a lot about how little attention they get.

by who me on Jun 9, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Very good article. Very thought provoking.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jun 10, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Prime Time Avg. Viewers June 1-7, 2009

Network (000s)
Prime-time Average Viewers (Live+SD)

1. USA 3,218
2. DSNY 2,182
3. FOXN 2,163
4. TBSC 1,708
5. TNT 1,615
6. NAN 1,596
7. DISC 1,475
8. FX 1,388
9. TLC 1,335
10. HGTV 1,270
11. HIST 1,263
12. A&E 1,262
13. FAM 1,252
14. TOON 1,155
15. VS 1,140
16. LIFE 1,115
17. AMC 1,079
18. ESPN 1,076
19. FOOD 1,052
20. SCIF 1,047

Notice VS beat ESPN

*Source: tvbythenumbers.com/2009/06/09

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by lovingmma25 on Jun 10, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Versus also averaged 1,000,000+ viewers a few weeks ago too. I would consider these aberrations from the norm, with the NHL playoffs. 640k or so is a hell of a lot more than they were averaging a year ago. Furthermore, come football season, ESPN will be ranked around #1-3 from late August through December. ESPN ranking that low is again, an aberration.

I’m pretty sure that if you took a yearly average, Versus is going to hover in the vicinity of 30th place, and ESPN is going to be in the top 5 or 8. Spike will be around 15th.

by Chromium on Jun 10, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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