Fedor Emelianenko Wants One Fight Deal With UFC
by Nate Wilcox on Jun 4, 2009 10:52 PM EDT
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From the LA Times blog:
Joost Raimond, the operations manager of Emelianenko's global promotion company M-1, invited the winner of the July 11 UFC heavyweight championship fight between Brock Lesnar and Frank Mir to attend the Emelianenko-Barnett bout, and pushed for the UFC to allow Emelianenko to fight that man as part of a one-fight contract on a card that could be fully promoted by UFC.
Ariel Helwani already got Fedor on tape talking about his disdain for the UFC's champion clause that essentially keeps a fighter under contract as long as they are champion but allows the UFC to cut a fighter after a loss.
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does he really think the ufc is going to allow that? …. I think there just trying to push dana’s and the ufc’s buttons
That’s exactly what it is. M-1 is looking for publicity for Fedor anyways possible. His name alone can’t keep up a company.
Sadly, most MMA bloggers buy into it time and time again and post anything Fedor has said.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jun 4, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
this is just so people can say…well fedor is willing to fight in the UFC…see look he said he would…ya but for a 1 fight deal? so he fights the winner and he beats them which is a very good possibilty and he leaves the UFC with egg on there face knowing the guy who just took there belt is leaving the company. the reward is much higher for fedor in this type of situation. the hype he would get the exposure he would get would be enough to help any other promotion he went to after this fight. I say stick this 1 fight deal up your ass…im sure dana will do the same. It isnt smart business to make this deal happen. If fedor wants to fight in the UFC i say he has to have no less than a 3 fight deal with a option to resign afterwards. Not lock him in but make it where the UFC has the chance to keep him afterwards.
"If I wanted to spend a half hour between two hairy legs I'd go to your mother's house." -Don Frye
And Dana says:
You don’t do a one fight deal with people in the fight business. I don’t do it with people you’ve never heard of, so why should I do it with him? And if he’s so great, he needs to fight more than once to prove it…So… we’re back where we were.
DAAAANNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
i know why you did it, but it’s still BS. dana’s not dumb, he knows that fedor will take the UFC heavyweight belt and go home. all that will do is make it common knowledge that the top heavyweight in the world isn’t in the UFC. that’s bad.
talking of the championship clause, what’s gonna happen to A. Silva when he retires in 4 fights still holding the MW belt?
He'll be retired.
Plus, I don’t think the champion’s clause negates the 1 year clause…or at least that hasn’t been decided completely…see the Couture lawsuit.
Hold the line, Dana
Nobody gets one fight deals. Period.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 4, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor will never fight in the UFC. I’m slowly becoming convinced of this. But then, Kimbo’s on TUF, so what the fuck do I know?
I love me some Sexyama!
Fedor can join UFC only if he wins TUF
A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
so what’s wrong with the champions clause? So what if he stays in the ufc till he retires?
He’ll be taken care of, better than any other company could do..
Plus if allowing him to compete in sambo will make him sign long term, Dana should make it happen.. As long as it doesn’t conflict with the ufc’s schedule I don’t see what’s the problem with that..
don't know if that's true
Think about it. Anywhere else Fedor is God. He’s the messiah. He’s the guy who’s going to headline the card no matter what. He will get anything he wants if he requests it. Affliction and all other promotions will build entire cards around his schedule.
In the UFC, he’s just another fighter. They’re not going to treat him as anything more. Or anything less.
The UFC always heavily promotes their fighters. And unlike Pride, Bodog, & Affliction…. They actually make money at it.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jun 4, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
sure he'll be god there
But they can only pay in bread and fish, compared to what the ufc can offer him longterm..
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 4, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Bread and fish?
He makes upward of 1 million a fight. He has an entire MMA promotion/ org behind him (M-1). He’s a national hero in his home country. He’s a legend in Japan. His name is enough to command cuts from the PPV revenue that companies make.
You think the UFC would do that? Not in a million years.
I’ve come to the realization that Fedor doesn’t need the UFC, and the UFC doesn’t need Fedor. But it would still be way fucking cool if they could come to terms.
And as for the 1- fight deal against Mir/ Lesnar winner, there’s no way the UFC would do it, because odds are- their champ would lose. Leaving Fedor with a huge bargaining chip over them, or even worse: the option to just straight whoop their HW kingpin, and ride off into the sunset to do superfights in Japan.
The UFC would only do that if Brock or Mir could use a gun.
Supporting all Las Vegas MMA.
'09 is the year of the FW's.
by ElliotMatheny on Jun 4, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Eliot,
MMA in Japan is on the decline. And Fedor was never even Pride’s biggest draw. Also, there isn’t really PPV in Japan, so he wouldn’t be getting a cut of it.
And the organization behind him (M-1) really doesn’t put on big events. If they did, they wouldn’t have to use Affliction to pay him.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jun 4, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure
that Fedor gets paid huge amounts in Japan. He might not be a draw on the level of Sakuraba. But he gets paid to fight for sure.
I understand that.
But it doesn’t mean that they can’t pay him a big fat check. And I wasn’t saying that Fedor would get a PPV cut if he went to Japan, I was just saying that he has the name value to command it from a company like Affliction.
Regardless, M-1 is a solid promotion, and it seems to be doing very well so far. Also, the reason that Fedor gets paid by Affliction is that (obviously) he fights for them.
Supporting all Las Vegas MMA.
'09 is the year of the FW's.
by ElliotMatheny on Jun 4, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you say M-1 is a solid promotion? They have Fedor and they can’t even use them in their own shows because they can’t afford it.
This whole thing about him being a national hero in Russia is BS. If this was the case, M-1 would be using him in their own events, in Russia, and paying him lots of money with other fighters coming to Russia to fight him.
None of this happens because Fedor isn’t that big in Russia. And M-1 can’t turn a profit and pay him $1 Million +. If they could, they would. And Affliction wouldn’t be part of the equation.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jun 4, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, "Fedor isn’t that big in Russia"
He carried the torch for Russia at the Olympics. He’s met with Vladimir Putin on multiple occasions. Fedor is fucking HUGE in Russia.
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'09 is the year of the FW's.
by ElliotMatheny on Jun 4, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Russian MMA fans love Fedor
It’s just that there aren’t many Russian MMA fans.
Even Fedor’s own people have said he isn’t that big in Russia:
Yet, in Emelianenko’s native Russia, a country that honors athletic heroes almost as highly as its greatest wartime generals, few will probably be watching.
“Emelianenko is a huge star, on par with Sharapova and Ovechkin,” said Pavel Lysenkov, a journalist with Sovietsky Sport, Russia’s premier sports newspaper, referring to the tennis star Maria Sharapova and the N.H.L. star Alexander Ovechkin. (Comparisons with Mike Tyson of the 1980s also abound.)
“But I’m very surprised that in Russia very few people know him.”
Lysenkov and others said that this was probably because television coverage of mixed martial arts is practically nonexistent in Russia and that the sport, which came to St. Petersburg in the mid-1990s, remains largely confined to Russia’s northern capital.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/1/22/731834/fedor-emelianenko-makes-th
One of my teachers ran with the torch once in Brooklyn.
Running with the torch doesn’t necessarily mean you are that big of a deal nationally. It’s a very much local thing.
by Phildo on Jun 5, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A ppv cut of nothing sure sounds like a lot of money…
Get a reality check on what M-1 actually is. Its like you saying Monte Cox will pay Rich Franklin.
Fedor is not even making money for the promotions that are paying him – you think finkie is about to pay him? No he’s gonna try to find someone else dumb enough to pay him and if he doesnt then he’ll come to the Zuffa table.
I said long term
How many more promotions will pay him that and go bankrupt before they learn that isn’t the way to make money?
The consistent ufc bonuses paydays and sponsorships alone could make him earn as big or even bigger than what those guys can pay him for 2 fights a year before going broke..
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 4, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
People need to stop bringing up the sambo. Monte Cox had no problem with Sambo, and look where that got him.
Now it’s a simple issue. Fedor wants 1 fight, Dana wants more.
No it hasn’t. M-1 being able to exploit Zuffa, and Zuffa not allowing, has always been at the heart of the issue.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jun 4, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! M-1 is going to do what is best for them, obviously, but the non exclusive and champions clause has always troubled him.
And that is the problem. M-1 is doing what is best for them, not what is best for Fedor.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jun 4, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Competition is always good for the consumer.
-MMASuPreMaCy
vs
There is competition…-mmalogic
if you dont want to fight for a living, there are a million other things for you to do.
Billy doesnt want to become a race horse jockey so he becomes an accountant.
;-)
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jun 4, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
apples and oranges :)
The marketplace decides what the fighters make in this business – not the fighters.
I know, but I had to. :-)
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jun 4, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Finally, some levity to a UFC/Fedor thread.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 4, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
This makes sense
I can, and I thin most people can, understand both sides of the argument.
The fact of the matter is that Dana is trying to build the UFC into a long-term brand. One of the downfalls of boxing is that it’s predicated on star power of the fighters. But what if no new stars emerge. From the UFC’s perspective they want to be able to build new stars quickly and effectively, but the main selling point is the UFC brand.
Having Fedor do a one fight deal doesn’t fit with this philosophy, especially if he wins.
People still watched the NBA after Jordan retired. Yes – less people did – but they still did.
The league itself is the selling point, the stars are secondary. Sure you’ll lose fans if Chuck Liddell retires. but I think everyone here knows and understands that the UFC has already found it’s ‘bottom line’ of sorts with around 250,000 buys. Pretty much no matter who is on a PPV card, the UFC is going to hit that number. That’s incredible and is completely down to Dana etc’s long-term planning.
Fedor in the UFC has turned into an obsession for some fans. I have seen the same topic, in different variations talked about for over a year. Until he signs, I don’t really care anymore.
With that said, the vast majority of fighters have signed UFC contracts in the past. Fedor is not special.
Who needs Fedor, the best HW in the universe, when you have Brock Lesnar and Kimbo in your HW class. = \
Not the most
profitable MMA promotion on earth.
The conundrum is simple:
Finkie wants the Brand Equity Zuffa has without Giving Zuffa anything in return.
Fedor fighting in the octagon once or twice doesnt do shit for Zuffa – however if Fedor knocked out Sylvia and Arlovski the way he did but in the UFC instead of Affliction he would be a star and a big Name overnight.
Finkie gambled because if fedor lost to either of those 2 fighters no one would have given a shit – and his meal ticket would have deflated.
Finkie wants to use Fedor to subsidize his M-1 promotion. So if Zuffa wont co-promote he wants Zuffa to make Fedor a star so finkie can then take him and use him for his own promotion.
At the end of the Day Zuffa doesnt need Fedor and up until now Fedor doesnt need Zuffa.
The day Fedor needs Zuffa is the day he’ll be in the UFC. Who else is willing to lose money by paying fedor?
Its already proven he’s not even worth close to his asking price to any promotion. After affliction is there anyone else out there to subsidize his purse?
The answer to this will determine Fedors fate.
by mmalogic on Jun 4, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
As do I
Neither party needs each other at this point.
I don’t think Fedor will ever really need the UFC though. It’s more like do his managers need the UFC.
Did you guys even watch the Fedor documentary. Wtf is he doing with all the money. He’s still hanging out in Stary Oskol like he always has and always will.
Did you guys even watch the Fedor documentary. Wtf is he doing with all the money. He’s still hanging out in Stary Oskol like he always has and always will.
Thats the thing. It doesnt appear to be about the money for Fedor. So even if he can only get $100k pay days from other orgs but maintain the freedom and flexibility he appears to enjoy, he may choose that instead of committing to the UFC long term……..at least while there are still fights outside the UFC that interest him.
Finkie cares…
There’s no way in hell he’s not miking his one meal ticket to the brim.
by mmalogic on Jun 4, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Finkie……hehehe, love that nickname. But yeah, Im sure he does care. Still though, 100k paydays outside the UFC for Finkie are better for him that 400k pay days within the UFC where he loses control and gets squat. So if both Fedor and Finkie prefer the freedom and flexibility of 100k paydays outside the UFC, the short term doesnt look positive for the UFC.
How so? Fedor values Sambo, flexibility and a solid payday. Currently all those are being delivered. I assume you feel Fedors management would be looking after him by sorting out a UFC deal? But Fedor would lose his Sambo tourneys, the ability to fight in Japan as well as the various other concessions he would have to make like the marketing agreement……etc.
Feodr’s contract is with M-1, Affliction pays M-1 their agreed on price and M-1 pays Fedor according to their contract with him. Even when we gets leaks and inside information on what Fedor makes from shows that’s not what he makes that is what M-1 gets paid for his appearance. We really don’t know what Fedor actually gets in the end.
Of course for that matter whe don’t know if the UFC ever actually said no to Sambo tournaments, they have let fighters fight in grappling tournaments while under contract and a once a year Sambo tournament wouldn’t be that big of a stretch(obviously he wouldn’t be able to fight in Japan for Dream under UFC contract). Both sides had completly different stories about what when wrong coming out of the negotiations and Fedor’s statements are obviously confused on what the champion’s clause is.
Given that Sambo includes striking and Fedor injures his hands so often (arguably because of the way he punches), I could easily see that being a sticking point.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jun 5, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
If it’s just the one tournament a year they could still work around it, the only think they won’t ever work around is that it’s a closed contract which is also a sticking point.
Of course this “lets just do one fight” bit is a complete joke, they are asking for something they know beforehand will never ever happen just so they can say they tried. It’s somej uvenile Jerry Millen crap on the same level of challenging someone to a fight on a internet forum.
I’ll admit I was half joking, but that is only half.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jun 5, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats just it, we dont know all the facts. How much does Fedor actually get? Is Fedors recollection of the contract and its exclusion of Sambo accurate? Whilst I think it likely that he wouldnt be allowed to fight Sambo, even if he were, at best, we just have a lot of unanswered questions. I just dont know on what basis mmalogic is saying Fedor is getting robbed. Just seems like a blind cheap shot. He seems to be pretty good at making those actually.
actually they’d still probably be robbing him even if he signed with Zuffa.
Imagine if Monte Cox (Rich Franklins Manager) – negotiating on Rich’s behalf – had his primary focus on his fight promotion, not Rich Franklin..
Now also imagine that Monte said" “Rich even though this contract is for your services, Zuffa is gonna pay my Fight Promotion company and then Ill pay you”.
This is something not even Don King could get away with yet these criminals are doing it infront of everyones eyes.
When people say they’re fans of Fedor – They arent shit because they wont speak up about this and demand more investigation into exactly whats happening.
Does anybody remember why Dana stopped being Tito and Chuck's manager?
That’s right. Because he became UFC president and could no longer be their manager for there would be conflict of interests. Yet M-1 does it with Fedor and nobody seems to care.
Kuwabara Kuwabara
I dont like the way M1 operates as manager and promoter but without knowing any specific details about Fedors contract with M1, I cant really accuse them of robbing him. I don’t really think its fair for others to make the accusation seemingly based on assumptions. Is there any actual evidence that M1 is ‘robbing’ Fedor?
Just asking, but Affliction goes under, where else could Fedor go but the UFC?
I know that he could fight in Japan, but I have to wonder the consistency of him fighting there.
Not entirely true.
The bigger fighters have a clause that is the same as that of Mirko: Two losses allows a cut.
Championship clause.
I don’t think the details are as are being presented.
When Randy and Zuffa were battling, they never tried to say Randy was tied indefinately, but that he owed them the two fights that were on his contract.
Not to mention that Fedor is of an age that if he probably wouldn’t stay undefeated in the UFC for another 3 years anyways.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jun 4, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Fighters, MMA and boxing, only have so many big fights in them. And he is no Randy Couture. It is very doubtful that he will be fighting at the highest level when he is even in his late 30’s
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jun 4, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
“He is no Randy Couture.” How can you even judge such a thing? I don’t see Fedor losing to Barnett, who is really the only remaining competitor who has more than a puncher’s chance.
How many athletes in how many different sports do you want me to use as an example? The guys who last a long time in their sports are typically like Couture, Hopkins, Clemens, and so forth. There are many more to pull from. Fedor doesn’t really match into that category.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jun 4, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Work Ethic. Year round work ethic. Not to mention fundamentals.
I believe it was Joe Rogan that talked about Roy Jones Jr. and Bernard Hopkins getting old. Hopkins was always a fundamentals boxer. RJJ was unconventional. As they got older, that style didn’t work as much.
Fedor is the same way. When he loses even a slight step, he is going to be in big trouble. He is the best fighter right now, but that fighting style really would not translate well to a 40 year old.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jun 4, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeh
but I don’t think he would stay undefeated for that long in the UFC.
It really depends on how you see the quality of UFC fighters
Undoubtedly, the Heavyweights in the UFC are great fighters. However, and I am NOT saying that you think this way, but many feel that the Heavyweights in the UFC are the best out there because they are in the UFC. With any other division, it is true that the UFC has the best fighters, but it is arguably NOT the case with their Heavyweights. For example, who is to say that if Arlovski and Barnett were in the UFC still that they wouldn’t be champion or the very top guys in that division (this is just an example).
In MMA the “best” fighter doesn’t always win, someone with the right skill set or gameplan could come in and win and there is always the chance that he can just plain get caught by a punch, which is something that has almost happened to him before (not to mention Kevin Randleman’s crazy slam). Staying perfect forever would be a real accomplishment.
Especially given that he’s already lost (even if it was BS).
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I’m sure if you went around asking MMA fighters almost all of them would say that they have had at least one BS loss, thats just part of the sport. Fedor did go back and avenge his BS loss too which should be noted. What is really sad is that once he does lose a lot of his nuthugging fans may turn against him unfairly.
Randys situation had nothing to do with the championship clause. The dispute was over the retirement clause. If he retired, his contract was essentially put on pause to be kicked back into gear if ever he came outta retirement. The beef came about because Randy claimed he didnt retire. He, perhaps foolishly, tendered a ‘resignation’ letter, which was odd given he wasnt an employee. Zuffa contorted the resignation from the UFC as a ‘retirement’ and thats when the dispute started. If it was a resignation, the time period on his contract expired and he was free. If it was a retirement, his contract became valid and he owed them 2 fights as soon as he came outta retirement.
If Im off on this, someone let me know, but thats how I understand it.
But the fabled championship clause would have made it all moot.
Since we keep hearing that it keeps the fighter tied up forever.
And yet Zuffa has 8 champions (including the WEC), and never once has it come up over the last 3+ years.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jun 4, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The Championship clause isn't forever it just adds 3 fights to the contract.
I don’t know why people think this is something that ties a fighter up forever, it’s just a clause that adds three fights to the end (or a year). Not sure why people think there is some kind of “you can never leave” clause in their contracts when that was debunked a long time ago?
For the better part of last year, speculation circulated about a clause that extended Zuffa contracts if a fighter becomes UFC champion. The clause was reportedly a sticking point in negotiations with Fedor Emelianenko (Pictures).
Sherdog.com has confirmed the existence of a so-called champion’s clause, which provides that “if, at the expiration of the Term, Fighter is then UFC champion, the Term shall be automatically extended for a period commencing on the Termination Date and ending on the earlier of (i) one (1) year from the Termination Date; or (ii) the date on which Fighter has participated in three (3) bouts promoted by ZUFFA following the Termination Date (”Extension Term"). Any references to the Term herein shall be deemed to include a reference to the Extension Term, where applicable."
This clause is designed to protect the company against a fighter leaving as champion and to prevent the company’s champions from using their contractual status to demand more money. Zuffa appears to see the clause as an option of last resort, though, because it has consistently refused to grant a title bout to fighters with only one fight remaining on their contracts.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/inside-the-standard-zuffa-contract-9734
by who me on Jun 4, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I cant believe everyone (including myself) is still commenting on this. Zero has changed between the situation 18months ago and now. A new headline comes out, we all repost the same shit we did 3 months ago!! hehe
Is that a capture of the guy punching the printer in “Office Space”? If so, it’s doubly awesome.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Jun 5, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW, I called this yesterday
I said Fedor was only interested in a one and done deal with the UFC champion. Do you I get to be considered an MMA insider now?
Dana understands damn well Fedor is a threat
I thought Dana said Fedor isn’t even top 5 and that he eats in buffets somwhere in Russia , why would he be scared to let Brock or Mir destroy Fedor and settle this old debate for good ? Bottom line , the UFC got a challange and THEY declined it . Dana understands very well Fedor has a good chance to win here .
Dana the person knows that Fedor could (and probably would) beat the top fighters in the UFC.
Dana the UFC President would punch Dana the UFC Promoter in the face if he ever said it in public. People need to stop getting worked up about the hype. Dana gets paid to be a hype man, it does him no good to say the truth, stop expecting him to.
Signing a one fight deal with any fighter to come in and face one of your world champions is a threat to your company. I’m sure they even had a plan for Royce Gracie if he’d happened to win against Matt Hughes in their catch weight bout. This isn’t a situation where they won’t do it because they are scared of Fedor it’s a situation where they won’t do it because pitting an outside fighter against one of your champions for a single event is a very dangerous thing to do period.
Besides why would the UFC want to help Fedor become better known in the states if he has no plans to fight for them long term? Even if he came in and lost in the UFC his name recognition would go way up and he would become more valuable to other promotions. That would be the equivalent of GM running a set of commercials about how great Ford products are. Fedor’s people know this too, this isn’t a real challenge it’s just posturing for attention’s sake.
fedor may not have ever signed an exclusive contract with pride when he was their champ, but that was THE only mma org that he ever fought for the whole time until they got bought out. he has only fought for affliction since they began, so basically he fought exclusivley for pride and affliction (soon to be 3 fights) his whole careeer . so would a 4 or 5 fight deal with the ufc kill him? i dont get his problems with an exclusive contract, when he generally fights exclusivley for 1 org anyway. the only reasonable explanation is that vlad and the boys are afraid that he might indeed lose in the octagon, and there goes all their leverage.
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