Quote of the Day: Michael Bisping Says Rampage Jackson Can Beat Lyoto Machida
by Kid Nate on Jun 4, 2009 11:56 AM EDT
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Machida looks great right now he's finally stopping people. He's not taking a lot of damage and he's looking very, very impressive. He'll be a tough fight for anyone but I'm sure we'll help Rampage put together a good game plan when he comes to fight him. He is very, very good and is a tough nut to crack but he's certainly not unbeatable by any stretch of the imagination - Rampage could definitely do it. I actually asked the UFC if I could fight Machida after I fought Elvis Sinosic in Manchester [in 2007]. I fancied fighting him but it didn't happen for one reason or another - but what I'm trying to say is that nobody in this sport is unbeatable. If you come in with a great game plan and study his fights, everyone has got weaknesses.
Michael Bisping talking to the UK Sun.
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Now that’s a natural step up in competition… Elvis to Lyoto. Michael Bisping’s career should thank Joe Silva for skipping that matchup.
Of course,
and I have no problem with anyones teammate saying that sort of thing. But his comment about himself asking for Machida & blaming Evans’ camp for the loss is ridiculous.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I missed the part where he blames Evans camp for the loss. Still can’t find it. Wanna point it out to me?
He implies it
by stating they will be able to put together a good gameplan for Rampage, or at least that is how I took it.
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Wow
Are you giving him credit for predicting 9-11 too?
Since I know you can do better, I hope you realize how silly what you said is. 
lol,
maybe I am reading too much into that I guess. But taking into account Bispings mouthiness, it would not surprise me if he meant that.
I will say that I hate Bisping almost as much as I do Bin Laden
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I hate Bisping almost as much as I do Bin Laden
I second that emotion!!
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by AJB on Jun 4, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The only funny thing Jeff Dunham has ever done.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 4, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, but at least if he could only do one funny thing, it was hilarious.
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by AJB on Jun 4, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You seem to hate a lot of fighters. Why don’t you save your hatred for people that you’ve actually met and know.
Most of the people I know aren’t assholes on national television.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 4, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair, at the time they weren’t regarded as being very different in terms of skill. Machida was still a relative unknown, and Bisping was still a TUF winner fighting at LHW. Let’s remember to look at that possible matchup as it appeared at the time. Bisping would have lost, and lost badly, but there would have been people giving him a good chance going in.
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by AJB on Jun 4, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
wow, this is ridiculous
To be fair, at the time they weren’t regarded as being very different in terms of skill.
but then again i can see that being true from the point of very of those who strictly watch UFC.
Oh, give me a break with the “if you only watch UFC hurr hurr hurr” stuff. At the time, Machida, like Bisping, was an intruiging prospect. Sure, some people saw Machida’s potential earlier than others, but in the main? Not a chance. I’m not going to apologize for pointing out that lots of people at the time – including lots of intelligent, aware fight fans – wouldn’t have figured that the gulf between the two was as wide as it clearly is now. If you think that there were hordes of people at that time heralding Machida as the second coming, well, other than pointing out that it’s revisionist history I just don’t know what to say.
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by AJB on Jun 5, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
"I actually asked the UFC if I could fight Machida after I fought Elvis Sinosic in Manchester [in 2007"
This is a hilarious line but probably typica Bisping. I would love to see Machida dismantle him, but he has to beat Hendo to even get a shot at Silva who will likely do the same thing.
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Everyone knows...
fighting Josh Haynes and Elvis Sinosic is perfect preparation for Machida. If Bisping was sauced when he said this, i might cut him a break. Otherwise, he is just as big of a tool as I thought he was and I already thought he was the 4 XL of tools.
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by MyFistYourFace on Jun 4, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
As we all know,
a lot of what people say even when they are “sauced” has some truth to it. But yeah, it would not surprise me if Bisping thought this way because I too think of him as a massive tool.
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Machida hadn’t looked anything like a world beater when this took place. Decisioning Sam Hoger and David Heath were Machida’s wins in the UfC.
by Hardcharger on Jun 4, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This is true. At the time, it wasn’t an unfathomable matchup. Looking at it today, it’s pretty ridiculous.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 4, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking at it today, it’s utterly ridiculous.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 4, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
because wanting to challenge yourself as an athlete is absurdity of the highest degree
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a thin line between bravery and stupidity.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 4, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So then as far as you’re concerned, nobody should challenge the unstoppable Machida? All fighters should bask in his glory and not test themselves and him?
by CliChe Guevara on Jun 5, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
sigh, you guys...
at the time Machida had beat, among others:
Stephan Bonnar, Rich Franklin, Sam Greco, B.J. Penn, Vernon White, Sam Hoger
and Bisping had beaten cans, all cans.
but you can’t blame a fighter for being confident.
I won’t blame him for being confident. I’m probably biased in that Bisping just rubs me the wrong way with his cockiness. Oh well…
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by Leland Roling on Jun 5, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
He had stopped Franklin
and Bonnar and beaten fat BJ Penn. Those are all things Bisping still hasn’t achieved. And he destroyed David Heath in every way.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Jun 4, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
no you didn’t just say fat BJ Penn
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
That kid’s fucking hairline is receding!
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 4, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I was about that old when mine started going.
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by AJB on Jun 4, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim Boetsch and Babalu destroyed David Heath even worse. Big deal. Machida beat Bonnar before Bonnar had even been on TUF.
At the time Bisping was referring to, Machida looked much less dominant than he is today, by a stretch.
Machida KO’d Franklin in his third professional fight. Franklin was 8-0. Bisping couldn’t beat that Franklin or modern-day Franklin. He couldn’t beat young Bonnar or old, cadaver-kneed Bonnar. Someone was smart enough in 07’ to realize that Bisping had no shot against Machida. Good for them and the European marketing campaign.
For the record, I also think Bisping would lose to fat BJ Penn.
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by MyFistYourFace on Jun 4, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
lol at fat BJ Penn
Bisping would beat Bonnar.
Precisely.
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by AJB on Jun 4, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Right on.
Bisping was even asked about facing Silva a few years ago & he said then that he was not ready to face him so I doubt he was actually campaigning to fight Machida.
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uh
Facing Silva vs facing Machida….two totally different things.
At the time Machida was 2-0 in the UFC. If my timelines are correct and you’re talking about A Silva he had just destroyed Franklin for the first time.
Machida is dominant now – but it’s funny how everybody is saying that would be a ridiculous matchup. In 2007 that wouldn’t have been a ridiculous matchup at all.
If you're talking about W.Silva
Then he had just come over from Pride and was still thought to be a force in the 205 division.
stop it just stop it
2-0 in the UFC
big picture fail
Then, now, who gives a shit?
We now know what Machida was or at least what he was capable of back then. That is like someone asking for Tyson after he was 2-0. Not that Machida is Tyson by any stretch (yet) but the relation is there.
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Is Bisping implying
that the Wolf’s Lair comes up with better gameplans than Jackson’s camp? I think that Evans being destroyed by Machida is more a product of Evans being his usual cocky self & thinking he can outstrike Machida. I cannot see any scenario where Jackson gameplanned for Evans to only strike with Machida & never attempt a takedown.
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Bisping’s comment is absurd. I’d love to hear the reasoning behind how Wolf’s Lair is just so much better at breaking down a fight and picking apart Machida’s weaknesses. In my mind, the biggest hurdle is having someone around who can mimic Machida’s quickness, style, and patience. It’s impossible to mimic because he’s truly the only MMA fighter out there with that kind of base and stance. If you can’t mimic his quickness and only rely on tape to break down his style, I don’t see how he’s even remotely beatable by using some outstanding gameplan. It’ll take some luck and style to beat Machida in my mind. Bisping really is one arrogant guy.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 4, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah but you can’t look at the Rashad fight and automatically assume a fight with Rampage would be the same. Rampage has more advantages he could use on Machida than Evans did.
Rampages Chin > Rashads Chin
Rampages Strikes > Rashads Strikes
Rampages Power > Rashads Power
Rampages Slams/Wrestling > Rashads Slams/Wrestling
Rampages Experience > Rashads Experience
Rashads Cockiness > Rampages Cockiness
I don’t have too big a prob with Bisping saying Rampage could win. The gameplan thing is being exaggerated. Its more about what Rampage can do already.
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by xFenixKnightx on Jun 4, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
This is very true, but I still think quickness is the biggest hurdle in a Rampage vs. Machida matchup. Rampage isn’t quicker than Rashad, but he can make up for that with technique in his striking, which I think he is better at.
I’m still leaning at Machida defeating Rampage pretty definitively due to his quickness.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 4, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
When was the last time Rampage was stopped? In his old Pride days before he hooked up with Juanito? I can’t see Machida finishing Rampage right now. Might be my blind fanboyness though lol.
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by xFenixKnightx on Jun 4, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, finishing Rampage is a different story, but he could simply frustrate the hell out of him for 5 rounds. Rampage isn’t quick on his feet, and he lurks around for the most part. He could potentially get him to the floor, but he’s slower on his feet than Evans. I think Machida will have an easier time unless Rampage can truly time Machida’s blows, which nobody has really been able to do.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 4, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be a more clear cut version
of Rampage – Jardine.
And Rampage would lose. He basically wouldn’t hit Machida at all….
Agree, Dude lost that fight before he entered the Octagon. But there really wasn’t a Jackson gameplan to begin with so yeah maybe Wolfslair could come up with a gameplan and Rampage would actually follow it and not be all having nightmares about losing and blah blah blah. Rampage is mentaly stronger in the Octagon than Rashad.
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by xFenixKnightx on Jun 4, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It simply comes down
to the fighter him/herself actually implementing the gameplan first of all & then seeing if it is successful. But I refuse to believe that Camp Jackson gameplanned for Evans to try & outstrike Machida & not take him down at all.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
On Cagewriter yesterday, Cofield posted an interview with Rashad (wearing TUF coach’s clothing). Rashad seems to imply that the gameplan was poor but stops short of saying it.
I have no respect for any fighter
who would even imply that their loss was the result of a bad gameplan. The fighters employ these camps & are an intrical part of coming up with these gameplans. This is bullshit from Evans if he thinks this way. Let him go join another camp & see how successful his career becomes after.
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Why don't you
actually watch the video instead of allowing your obvious dislike for Rashad shape your opinion. He doesn’t necessarily imply that its anyone’s fault other than his own, and handles the interview very well.
Read what I wrote dude.
I said “IF” he thinks this way. I dislike Rashad because he is a cocky, disrespectful person towards his opponents. And then when he loses he is apparently placing the blame on others. And you saying “he doesn’t necessarily imply that its anyones fault” is not a glowing review for him. Why would any fighter come out after a loss & blame anyone at all except for themselves? You do not blame your coach in any sport, why? Because it comes down to you executing & beating your opponent. Too bad we did not get to see Rashad grabbing his sack right before Machida put him to sleep against the cage.
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Why does everyone think Rashad is cocky?
He never seems to come across that way in interviews. The onyl times he seems cocky are the 3 minutes after winning fights. I can understand that. The adrenaline gets to your head and you bask in your glory. Those 3 minutes belong to him – he can celebrate however he wants.
Crotch grabbing
mid fight doesn’t count? Best thing is in the Machida fight he started talking smack as he was KTFO.
"The onyl times he seems cocky are the 3 minutes after winning fights"
Grabbing your sack to mock your opponent mid-match is very disrespectful & cocky. I will give Rashad some credit though, he did not look cocky at all with legs bent underneath him unconscious against the fence!!
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Gameplan this, Bisping
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by Leland Roling on Jun 4, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
That guy by double push kick with arms on the ropes
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 4, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong with Bisping’s comments at all. He gives Machida plenty of compliments, but says that his teammate could beat him if given a good gameplan and good preparation.
by Hardcharger on Jun 4, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Bisping begs for every ounce of hatred he receives.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 4, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d love to hear the reasoning behind how Wolf’s Lair is just so much better at breaking down a fight and picking apart Machida’s weaknesses.
Um yeah, he didn’t actually say that at all though, did he?
Never mind, don’t let that get in the way of having a hysterical rant.
by An0nymous on Jun 4, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No, he didn’t say that. I’m hoping he was just saying it without really thinking about the whole Jackson-Evans loss. It just rubs me the wrong way. It’s like Evans and Jackson just didn’t study the fights and had no gameplan.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 4, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt he meant it that way.
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by xFenixKnightx on Jun 4, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 4, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
By saying the Wolf's Lair
will come up with a good gameplan it seems to me that was exactly what he was saying.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
so what is he supposed to say?
EVERYONE says they’ll come up with a good game plan… Tomkins implied that Rashad’s/Jackson’s gameplan was bad (or he said it outright). Also, at this point I think its fair to say that previous gameplans against Lyoto were all flawed to certain extents. Bisping knows that Rampage is going to fight Machida eventually, and as usual the entire MMA community is touting someone else as unbeatable (maybe rightfully so), so I don’t think theres anything wrong with him being confident on behalf of his team.
Dude, you are either just an Evans nuthugger or you are in denial.
His camp did not tell him to go out there & try to fucking outstrike Machida & ignore his wrestling. And I have no problem with Bisping being confident in his team, he should be in fact. But you cannot rave about a guys camp when he wins & then jump their ass blaming then when the fighter loses & fails to execute.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
What the hell are you talking about?
We aren’t even talking about Evans… You’re saying that Bisping is insinuating that his camp gameplans better than Rashad’s… I’m saying that I don’t think he said that, nor has been directly critical of Rashad or his camp as OTHERS HAVE (namely Tomkins). The point is he is supposed to be confident that his camp and, most importantly, Rampage can figure out a way to beat Machida… Also I acknowledged that Fighters AND their camps have approached Machida the wrong way in certain instances… You said previously that you can’t praise a camp when a fighter wins, and then blame them when the said fighter loses… but how do you give a camp total credit for a victory then say that they have nothing to do with a loss?
I never said the camp has no part of a loss.
What I said was that Evans, or any fighter for that matter, should ever even mention their camp when talking about a loss. Whether insinuating or not.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
I agree that they shouldn't mention their camp
But – I have no problem at all with Bisping’s comments.
He’s saying exactly what he’s supposed to say.
If Bisping was not talking about Camp Jackson
then I apologize for bringing it up. That was my only problem. Any teammate should do exactly what he did, which is boost/back his guy & I have no problem at all with that.
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I Just Want...
Bisping to stop talking. Why can’t he be more like Forrest? Forrest got a HUGE push from the UFC and is still a major part of their marketing campaign. He has also won some big fights against A-level competition…something Bisping has not done.
Honestly, I don’t care what Bisping thought of the A. Silva fight and I don’t care what he thinks of Machida. A guy like Forrest comes out and is honest about not wanting to fight Machida because he is just that good. Bisping comes out and says he asked for that fight in ’07. Dana was probably thinking, “no, it is too soon for you to get crushed”.
The best part of all this is he is talking about Page being able to beat Machida but Page doesn’t want to fight Machida either. Dana gave him a choice and he chose Rashad and TUF over a title shot. Rapage wants Shogun or ANYONE to beat Machida so he never has to fight him. That’s REAL.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
PFFT!
Whats REAL is that Rampage said he wants more time to heal, train, be with his family and go back to Slampage. And that’s why he took the TUF deal over a quicker fight with Machida.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, growing up as a child Kimbo Slice was never given any bread with his meals. This is why he insists people give him his bread."
by xFenixKnightx on Jun 4, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Heal What?
He already admitted that his jaw was not really a problem when he turned down the title shot w/Rashad. So, he needs more time w/his family and to show up w/Tiki at UFC events. That’s cool. I don’t blame Rampage for trying to avoid Machida. He is certainly not the only fighter to do so. Its good business for him but let’s don’t turn it into a heroic act.
"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday
by MyFistYourFace on Jun 4, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Watch….WWWWAAAAATCH!!!!
:P
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, growing up as a child Kimbo Slice was never given any bread with his meals. This is why he insists people give him his bread."
by xFenixKnightx on Jun 4, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Cocky>Boring. But I don’t see why anyone should be offended here. The less I hang around here, the less I understand:
Last week everyone was blaming Rashad’s gameplan, now that Bisping does it, he is a dick or whatever.
He states what the majority thought few minutes before the article came up (that Rampage had a chance against lyoto), and it becomes also a bad thing. I sense hatred :/.
by spectaa on Jun 4, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
their wrong
they’re…
Sorry, I had to do it, especially with the rest of the post in context ^^;
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jun 4, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Many MMA fans (sports fans in general) are hypocrites for the most part...
Sadly there are only a few that can look at most situations with a certain objectivity, instead of taking some kind of offense to everything said behind somebody who isn’t hiding behind a screen.
A guy like Forrest comes out and is honest about not wanting to fight Machida because he is just that good.
I’m pretty sure Bisping said the exact same thing about Anderson Silva when there was talks of a title shot for Bisping. He came out and said he wasn’t ready for Silva, he needed more time to develop. Bisping is also Rampage’s teammate, of course he would say he thinks Rampage could win.
by CliChe Guevara on Jun 5, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I did see one point in the Rashad vs Machida fight where rampage could have possibly finished it. At one point in the second lyoto charges in on a 3 hit combo and rashad was able to land two right hooks in return. Rampage may have the power to lay Machida out in a similar situation.
You may be right about Rampage being able to capitalize
if the opportunity presents itself. But I agree with Leland, that Page has more power than Evans but definitely does not have the speed so he may not have been able to hit Machida the way Evans did. That really is the only way that I see anyone in the UFC right now being able to stop Machida. Catch him flush during a combo & have the punch behind that shot to stop him.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
Bisping's going to dominate
Bisping’s going to run through this middleweight division…first hendo then silva until he
gets restless and bulks up to fight 205 then look out machida.
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