Brand Loyalty?
Hey Bloody Elbow community, how are you all doing? I've been a fan of MMA for a few years now, but really haven't been part of discussions involving MMA minus casually talking with my friends. I've recently been surfing MMA Mania, but I really wouldn't call their comments section a series of intelligent debates, it's more of a slap fight between people whose IQs match that of Forrest Gump's. So it's good to see that there is a website with an intelligent, reasonable fan-base, and I'd love to be part of the discussions that go on around here.
However, no matter how smart or dumb, casual or hardcore fans are, quite a few people seem to be loyal to a certain brand of MMA. A few years ago there were distinct groups of fans that were either for Pride or UFC, but after they merged, it's now UFC against every other company. There's always that group of people that will buy every UFC event, regardless of how good the card is, and ignore other companies, like Strikeforce, that can have very solid fight cards. There's also a group of people that will never buy a UFC event because of the questionable contracting methods that Dana White uses. I've never understood the logic of either of the groups, because they tend to focus on brand name and ownership rather than the fighters and/or fights. Hell even some journalists, who are trained to report things objectively, have shown these qualities (I'm sorry but Loretta Hunt is extremely biased). As I've seen more and more pro and anti UFC "fanboys", I have tried to understand why they have gained such a bias, and have come up with a couple of theories.
The first conclusion I came to as to why people are biased for the UFC is the use marketing. As stupid as it sounds, some people DO believe everything they see and/or read. Just look at the success of Fox News. If they flip the channel to Spike TV and see an advertisement that Rich Franklin vs. Wanderlei Silva is going to be an instant classic, they'll take the UFC's word for it and proceed to open their stupid fucking trap about how Rich Franklin is "the man" and how the UFC is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Good marketing, matched with the ignorance of the average Spike TV viewer can breed a new MMA fan that has a huge bias for the UFC and not for some of the best fights in MMA.
Anti-UFC supporters are a completely different situation however. Rather than the casual MMA fan that the average UFC fan is, the anti-UFC folks tend to be pretty well informed as well as bigger MMA fans. These people tend to focus on what Dana White has done over the years, and are discordant with him. They express their disagreement with White by condemning UFC as a whole, and open their fucking traps about how his actions aren't progressing the sport and how Zuffa is a greedy Capitalistic company that restricts upon the freedom of the fighters they have contracted. I have no problem with anybody discussing the behavior of Dana White, but I do have a problem with people who deny the classic fights that have happened inside the octagon because of his actions (the same goes with the whole George Bush sucks, therefore America sucks idea). The logic is deeply unsound, and baffles me in some ways. People who are against the UFC due to leadership issues creates personal vendettas and doesn't support the fighters in any way, shape or form.
Of course there are biases with any rivalry between companies, but this seems to be less logical. Pretty much every MMA company has nearly the same exact rules, each with their own superb roster of fighters. I can't help but feel like we're a bunch of 11 year olds bickering about whether WWF or WCW is the better comapny, rather than seeing the awesome fights that we'll remember for the rest of your lives. Remember what got you involved in MMA (Hint: It wasn't a hate for corporate greed or a shitty advertisement portraying MMA fighters as gladiators. It was the fights.)
Oh and remember this is my first blog post on Bloody Elbow, actually this is my first blog post ever. So please try to lay off on my poor sentence structure and lack of word variety and try to focus on what I'm trying to say. Constructive criticism is fully welcome.
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You're doomed.
You pissed off the pro-UFC and anti-UFC factions.
Keep firing Assholes!
Out out, you demons of stupidity!
by Ubernoober on Jul 1, 2009 12:06 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
welcome to bloodyelbow. :)
I thought rich vs wand was pretty good.. Not the best, but pretty damn good.
Sure he got beat by silva twice, but Rich Franklin is actually a great fighter, i don’t see whats wrong with them saying that.. Other promotions hype up their stars that are wayyy less talented than rich..
see: Robbie Lawler.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 1, 2009 12:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of the egregious pro/anti-Zuffa crap I want to say is just like team affiliation in stick and ball sports. It’s largely artificial, manufactured, and stupid.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 1, 2009 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way, welcome to Bloodyelbow.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 1, 2009 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My personal opinion is that a lot of brand loyalty is based on what organization brought a fan into the sport. I started watching the UFC, so in a lot of ways my conception of what MMA “should” be is based on what originally hooked me in the first place. For example, I favor a cage over a ring, and the ten point must over the PRIDE scoring system. There’s commentators here who will agree completely, and others who will think I’m an idiot. I think a lot of the “bias” comes from what were the early influences on someone were.
But aside from that I have no explanation and don’t understand it at all.
Nice first fanpost, welcome to BE.
by Andy R on Jul 1, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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by troy145 on Jul 1, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
I didn’t know how to format pictures so they would be on the right. Sorry ’bout that.
by tmatte on Jul 1, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here are two articles that should help: Bloodyelbow Technical Assistance and How to Write a Fanpost and Get It Promoted
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 1, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I was able to follow the CSS instructions on that W3 schools site and got it to work with text wrap and everything. I saved it, and when I came back to finish the post, the HTML was all messed up.
by tmatte on Jul 1, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
add this to your image tag
align=“right”
use the little picture of the tree and upload your image, then go to HTML mode and insert this
align=“right”
inside your tag. there will be a bunch of other stuff in there <img src=“[link] alt=”name" etc etc> just slip that align tag in there and you’ll be good.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 1, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey I got it to work! Thanks, now less people will be so intimidated by so many words.
by tmatte on Jul 1, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent picture choice.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 1, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or add
style=“float:right;margin-left:3px” to your image tag.
It’ll float the image to the right and space your letting that is next to the image so it isn’t right up against it.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 1, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
change the code that says class= “photo” to “right photo”, “center photo” or “left photo”
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 1, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome
People will blindly love what they first fell in love with or detest what they used to love because it has changed into something they no longer love.
Enjoy!
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 1, 2009 1:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so im guessin you fall under the latter? ;)
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 1, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone falls somewhere.
So, Im guessing you fall into the first? ; )
I watched UFC 1 on cable (black box), for those that are wondering. Been following the UFC and MMA ever since.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 1, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike some people on this site.. I dont nut hug on anyone or any promotion..
im biased towards filipinos, and maybe machida and hazelett a bit, but otherwise, i don’t nut hug any promotion.. I judge a fighter based on what i see from them, not from where they fight.. I like promotions based on what they do and what fights they put on, and because they are zuffa or not..
I’ve watched UFC 1 also, but it was a bit late when they showed it here.. Ruas was actually my first favorite fighter. Maybe ken also, if he hadnt bored the hell out of me in that severn fight.. I’ve always loved watching fights and i’ve been a fan for a long time, but naturally, due to my age, i was just a casual fan back then..
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 1, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida and Hazelett are the two fighters I get nervous watching. They are the ones I really really want to win.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 1, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still bummed he got injured...
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 1, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Machida era started with no McLovin’ =(
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 1, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get the “sick nervous” feeling watching GSP, Kang, or Kaufman.
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by AJB on Jul 1, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do it for local MMA guys – Carwin, Cerrone, etc
by subo on Jul 1, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do that for all UFC guys. ;)
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 1, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what do I do when it’s UFC guy v UFC guy, genius? I tell ya, them’s the kind of smarts that bet Vera over Hamill.
by subo on Jul 1, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's called a joke subo.. Try to keep up..
Imagine subo panicking with every power punch thrown by either fighter cause one of them KOes might cause the UFC to crumble. Hahaha.
Maybe the smiley winking was a hint that it wasn’t serious? ..betting hamill is the kind of smarts that’s gonna get your sig changed. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 1, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing that I noticed with many MMA fans that are anti-UFC is simply this anti-establishment mentality. For some, it seems that since the UFC is the biggest MMA organization and is generally the standard for MMA, some MMA fans just go against the UFC for no real rhyme or reason except that it is the biggest MMA organization out there. For example with here on bloodyelbow, one poster had a problem that the UFC is the benchmark for MMA, and for some reason it just bugged him with no reasonable explanation.
by chrisbboy82 on Jul 1, 2009 1:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think people generalize on both ends. UFC fans boys were all made fans from TUF, love Dana White, think everyone in Japan is highly overrated and is on roids. UFC haters are supposed to be these people that are anti-UFC, PRIDE fans, root for the fall of UFC, hate Dana White, think everyone in Japan is better than the fighters in the UFC.
I think categorizing MMA fans as either with us or against us is pretty stupid though.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 1, 2009 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it is pretty stupid.
I order every UFC event down here, not because I love the UFC and nothing else just because its mixed martial arts and it’s available. When Affliction: Banned was available I ordered it, and then caught Day of Reckoning by other means. Everytime I’m home I catch the DREAM, Sengoku, Strikeforce and WEC shows on the internet.
If its competitive and it isn’t shot in some barn somewhere then I’ll watch it.
"Japan panics about the rise of "grass-eating men," who shun sex, don’t spend money, and like taking walks."
Did they all get married?
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by SamCupitt on Jul 1, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I choose not to support people who make stupid decisions, but I will watch all the MMA I can get my hands on. Really wish I got HDNet and Showtime, but currently that is just not in the cards.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 1, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I consider myself a pretty hardcore MMA fan, and my love of the UFC stems solely from my desire to see all the world’s top talent under one organization – Zuffa was just the closest one to it when I got into the sport. I hate the way PRIDE treated fighters, but if any other decent org had a preponderance of talent, I’d root for them to get more just like I root for the UFC.
I have purchased both Affliction PPV’s and routinely watch Stirkeforce on Showtime and DREAM/Sengoku on HDNet. I don’t consider every foreign fighter overrated, but when you fight without being drug tested, questions are going to persist.
What you said is 100% correct – it was the fights that got us into MMA, not some business philosophy or crusade against dicks from Boston. The vast majority of the best fights I’ve ever seen were in the UFC, and most of the ones I’m currently excited about will be there, too – I love that the belts are meaningful, the divisions are deep, champions have to defend against top contenders, the fighters are protected by drug tests, and that every time you watch you may see something you’ve never seen before.
My UFC fandom comes solely from my desire to see all of the world’s top talent perpetually flung into each other in the superconducting supercollider that is the Octagon. That’s it.
by subo on Jul 1, 2009 2:26 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
I have no problem with anyone preferring a company because of the fights, but I have a problem with those who ignore all other MMA events even if they have awesome fight cards.
by tmatte on Jul 1, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re bringing calm rationality to this discussion? I’m so disappointed in you for once.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 1, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone organize a search party to find the real Subo!
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by AJB on Jul 1, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"majority of the best fights I’ve ever seen were in the UFC"?
To me a great fight is a technical back and forth battle. I’m not trying to be a dick at all, I love the drama in Herring putting down Nog and Nog comming back, Matt Hughes vs. B.J. Penn II was an amazing Pedro Rizzo vs. Josh Barnett I and Couture – Rizzo I were great fights. Please if I am completely off base tell me I have no problem going out and buying DVD’s of great fights.
But I guess it all depends on what sentiments you put on a"great fight". Someone who got into this sport because of Bonner Griffin I will preach and tell you that was the best fight ever, even though in reality it a sloppy slugfest. And others will say Royce Gracie vs Sakaraba was amazing because no one thought at the time a Gracie could be submitted. It is all perception.
The Only Problem I have with the UFC is that they are asking sponsers to fork over 100K up front just to negotiate with the fighter they want to sponser. The UFC only promotes the fighters they do not manage them, and this is an outrage! The onlt way fighters can train full-time is with the money they recive from the sponsers, and for the UFC to pick and choose with sponsers they want is disgusting and disrespectful.
by EVeezy on Jul 1, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Only Problem I have with the UFC is that they are asking sponsers to fork over 100K up front just to negotiate with the fighter they want to sponser
Actually they are only asking that price to get the logo on the broadcast, not to sponsor the fighters.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 1, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right I understand
But the fighters pay check would be significantly higher if a fighter had the sponser on his shorts or banner correct? That was the big uproar over Nascar trying to get rid of Alcoholic beverage sponsers. To my knowledge Nascar does not ask the sponsers to fork over and certain amount of money or the race car will just be blank.
by EVeezy on Jul 1, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct, I was stating in response to “asking sponsers to fork over 100K up front just to negotiate with the fighter they want to sponser”, which is absolutely not true. The UFC is charging the sponsors 100k to be shown on the broadcast.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 1, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The vast majority of the best fights I’ve ever seen were in the UFC, and most of the ones I’m currently excited about will be there, too – I love that the belts are meaningful, the divisions are deep, champions have to defend against top contenders, the fighters are protected by drug tests, and that every time you watch you may see something you’ve never seen before.
Of course none of these thing have ever been seen in another organization.
by bignerd on Jul 4, 2009 5:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well done first blog.
I think you are missing a huge gray area though. Allot of people who watch or fallow MMA pay attention to all the fighters, understand what they see, and keep track of it for them selves. They just don’t fallow one company, it’s looked at as a whole.
I like it, “Zuffa’s Super Octogonalcollider”.
Hello, Japan!
by Mr.Kib on Jul 1, 2009 4:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Those fans usually keep their traps shut and just enjoy the fights. The wacko nuthuggers are most of the vocal ones. This site seems to be an abberation though.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jul 1, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This site definitely seems to have the least number of these “wacko nuthuggers”. I was still kind of adjusting from MMAmania to this site when writing the post. :p
by tmatte on Jul 1, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I credit the staff who use Ye Olde Banhammer only when necessary, but aren’t afraid to use it when it IS necessary.
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by AJB on Jul 1, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The staff doesn't punish Nuthuggery
You only get banned for foul mouth personal attacks.
by bignerd on Jul 4, 2009 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To UFC or not to UFC
Look if you like MMA, you are doing yourself a disservice to ignore organizations that are not the UFC.
At the same time, denigrating the UFC, going out of your way to villify the organization and foist up the inarguably lesser organizations as superior is, to me, akin to suggesting that the brand of football played in the CFL is superior to that of the NFL. It’s a ridiculous sentiment that would be intellectually insulting were anyone to take it even the slightest bit seriously.
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by Brett Jones on Jul 1, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
CFL football is superior. Our balls are bigger.
Keep firing Assholes!
Out out, you demons of stupidity!
by Ubernoober on Jul 1, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked it better when the field was ten yards across and five miles long. You guys have gone soft.
by subo on Jul 1, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, they’re the same size now. But they still have stripes on them. ANd the field is bigger. And we have “the rouge”.
Oh, and Ivor Wynne Stadium is the best fucking place to watch a sporting event anywhere, especially if the opponent is Toronto.
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by AJB on Jul 1, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many of us do, in fact, prefer the CFL game to the NFL game. But we’d be fools not to recognize that the best athletes (overall) are in the NFL, and that the spectacle of the NFL is unmatched. Does that make the NFL objectively “better” than the CFL? Maybe, but it doesn’t change the fact that what I’ll choose to watch is based on personal preference and nothing more. I watch the CFL because I like the speed and unpredictability of the game, the scoring options, the last-minute-panic that always seems to take over at the end of the game. I watch the NFL because it’s amazing to see the best athletes on the planet try to smash each other on the biggest stage around.
So, in short, the CFL is Strikeforce and the NFL is the UFC. Or something. Really, my only point here is that what is considered “superior” is subjective, even if the quality of the athletes and the strength and power of an organization (both of which play into the enjoyability of a sport) are very much objective.
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by AJB on Jul 1, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your analogy, but it leaves out College Football, which many would say does just as well as the NFL, despite NOT having the best athletes or the biggest spectacle. There are some fans who see the rest of MMA like College Football, while others see it as the CFL. I see it as a mix of both, but in a world where guys talented enough to be in the NFL are banned from the league, or otherwise not coveted by the Powers that Be, such that it could be argued that some of the CFL’s stars could compete, but aren’t doing so. In that situation, having multiple organizations doing well is something that a fan of the SPORT should prefer, because it will give talented athletes opportunities to earn a living, and multiple platforms to entertain you.
by madiq on Jul 1, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
College football reminds me more of Soccer, the biggest attraction to these sports is community and location.
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by iiowyn on Jul 1, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true, and it also functions in a very weird protected environment. Name another major sport besides college athletics that can draw millions of television viewers for big games and yet not a single team pays a single athlete a single cent (legally… officially…).
Perhaps the best comparison to “amateur” athletics like NCAA football is the “semi-pro” local promotions. Just like college sports, they have tons of games that most people will never see, between competitors that most people will never hear of, but they also feature some incredible performances by guys who are fighting for peanuts but will one day climb to be among the sport’s elite. And if it’s your friend, brother, neighbour, or training partner who is fighting, you’ll probably be more invested in the fight than otherwise.
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by AJB on Jul 1, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course, you could argue that the NCAA pays for student-athletes’ education, provides them with state-of-the art training facilities, and offers them a platform of (inter)national exposure while raising their marketability, while steering them towards lucrative professional employment and sponsorship opportunities.
In a way, the IFL model provided the perfect framework for an MMA developmental system, and had Zuffa not been short-sighted, they could have utilized the advantages of Community and Location, while doing everything that the NCAA does with the college sports system, but with up-and-coming MMA fighters. With big gyms strategically-placed geographically, they could have scooped up local talent, and allowed the League to grow, while channeling the fighters who distinguished themselves to the UFC and WEC. I guess they could still do it, but it will probably cost more than simply buying the IFL.
by madiq on Jul 1, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
College Football is much bigger in the US than Soccer, and much bigger than just for the regional teams. I love college football, and the Rose Bowl is one of the biggest events of the year.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jul 1, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another false analogy
There is hardly any player on the CFL that would make an NFL roster. MMA has no where near the unbalance of talent as North American football. There are plenty of guys outside of the UFC who would be star attractions and at least one would be a champion in the UFC.
by bignerd on Jul 4, 2009 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Organizational nuthuggery is is lame, no matter which side of the fence you are on. I watch MMA for great fights. I don’t care if those fights happen in the UFC, DREAM, Strikeforce, Shooto or even local shows like Wild Bill’s Fight Night.
by Steve4192 on Jul 1, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am as pure of a hardcore fan as they come. I will go through leaps and bounds to obtain streams to the most obscure MMA events just to see up-and-coming talent and talent that casual fans probably have never heard about.
As a writer, I cover anything that interests me. I’m not solely bound to specific promotions or specific topics, and it truly doesn’t matter what brand or promotion that an issue I want to write about is associated with. This is easily coupled with my philosophy as to why I truly have no biased in what I want to watch.
I want to see the best matchups possible, and if I have to watch another promotion to see those matchups, so be it. I want to see interesting grudge matches, solid style matchups, and pure tests of skill. Even more off the radar promotions like Sengoku are a godsend to hardcore fans, and they are only off the radar to those casual fans who don’t have easy access to those events.
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by Leland Roling on Jul 1, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Obama sucks but I still love America. I like ALL fights. The more the better. I think the disagreements come over who’s tougher Fighter A vs Fighter B. When they fight for competing promoters it makes for compelling (and often very entertaining) sparring on these boards.
Great post, look forward to many more. Welcome to BE and recd.
by Riney on Jul 1, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Obama sucks? He’s hardly the messiah the media proclaims (I like the guy, but come on), but “sucks” seems a bit harsh.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 2, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This particular line of discussion ends here.
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by Richard Wade on Jul 2, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Skips all the college "football"/NFL talk
Cause I don’t know anything/care about it… Haha.
I’m not bashing the sport, it’s just that most people outside the US really don’t know anything about American football.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 1, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But I bet more know about American football than the UFC…
by madiq on Jul 1, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stay that way – it’s a lame sport – it’s like rugby, but with padding and pauses to fix ouchies. Candy-ass sport – the only ones that require padding (excluding mouthguards & cups) are lacrosse and hockey because of risk of death. Otherwise, be a man and play unprotected!
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by themachiavellian on Jul 2, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s got a point. Except that lacrosse players actually wear very little padding (goalies aside), because they’re just THAT TOUGH (lacrosse was my first love, before I found MMA).
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by AJB on Jul 2, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any sport where hitting a guy with a 6ft stick is called “defense” is automatically awesome.
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by themachiavellian on Jul 2, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in lacrosse and hockey
youre not a position player who weights 180, standing still, having a player who weighs 320, come up and hit you at full speed from behind without even knowing it.
If you actually know rugby you’d know there aren’t nearly as many hard as hits nearly as often as tehre are in football, and the players are all closer in size and there are much fewer head on collisions.
People would definitely die in football without padding, theres really no doubt about it. Back inthe day the sport was almost banned because people WERE dying cus the flying v formation and they were using pads.
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by troy145 on Jul 3, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to BE and well done on the post.
I am disappointed that we didn’t get to read about how hot you think Jake Shields and Frank Shamrock are. Oh well, the bar was set very high!
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by BJJDenver on Jul 2, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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