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UFC 100 In-Depth: Can Michael Bisping Out-wrestle Dan Henderson?

Mma_a_evansts_576_mediumThe question has been brought up ever since the confirmation of the bout between the two Ultimate Fighter coaches, and it remains one of the most critical questions involving the stylistic matchup between the two fighters. Can Michael Bisping actually out-wrestle a former Olympic wrestler?

In order to really delve deep into the heart of the idea of Bisping matching Dan Henderson's skills in the wrestling department, it's vital to breakdown the fight stylistically as to what each fighter offers. Historically, Dan Henderson is a fighter who doesn't truly fight to his own strengths. He's been cast by some fans as a "Gurgelian" type of fighter in that he mainly battles it out with top competition by unleashing powerful overhands rather than resorting to his wrestling base to punish opponents on the floor.

While I wouldn't necessarily make the comparison to Jorge Gurgel's mindset, his style doesn't play to his strong suit all of the time. Henderson isn't likely looking for a 'Fight of the Night' honor like Gurgel, but he probably feels that his right hand can ultimately end the fight in quick and devastating fashion. I wouldn't argue with that idea, but when a fighter is taking on some of the toughest competition in both the middleweight and light heavyweight divisions, being completely one-dimensional isn't a sure-fire way to dominating the competition.

Looking at Henderson's past performances, it's obvious that he still possesses some phenomenal take down defense due to his background in wrestling. Rich Franklin had a tough time stacking up against Henderson's defensive wrestling, and he had an even tough time escaping the powerful shots from Henderson's loaded right hand. Up-and-comer Rousimar Palhares found it exceptionally tough to take down Henderson, but he did manage to put Henderson in trouble at one point during the match. The difference between the two fights is that Franklin had the tools standing to be effective while Palhares ultimately had to get the fight to the ground to win.

Furthermore, many fans push arguments regarding Henderson's lack of wrestling ability from his PRIDE days. Specifically, there were a few PRIDE battles in which opponents with inferior wrestling were able to get Henderson down repeatedly due to his over aggressive style in that era. While I think Henderson has become a bit more patient during his reign in the UFC, this argument does bring up some interesting questions in this matchup if Henderson tries to pummel Bisping with overhands early. It wouldn't be unfathomable that Henderson makes the same mistakes from his PRIDE days with the possibility that Bisping could potentially put Henderson in a bad position from that mistake.

The 'Rampage' Jackson fight is a very interesting addition to the argument because Jackson isn't a world beater in the wrestling department, yet he was able to hold his own against Henderson. With Jackson helping Bisping train for this match along with Bisping himself stating that he intends to beat Henderson in the wrestling game, it gives me a notion that we could begin seeing an even more evolved Michael Bisping.

Wolfslair wrestling coach Zach Light offered his view of how the matchup will go to Fighters Only magazine:

"He will take Dan Henderson down more than one time in the fight. He will, that’s how he is going to win the fight. That is how I see it. When they start trading I think Mike will win the scrambles. Dan is a great scrambler but in a scramble situation I think Mike is going to come out on top every time. [Bisping] is fighting a guy that I have competed against, in the sense that Rampage fought him before. What I have done is basically helped him complete his strategy for the fight. Wrestling-wise I am probably one of the best MMA-wrestling trainers in the world at the moment. There is no doubt in my mind that he will end this fight before the third round."

While Light is a very good wrestling coach, it isn't exactly convincing considering Bisping's past performances against Matt Hamill and Rashad Evans. Light also trains Cheick Kongo, who seemingly had no answer to Cain Velasquez's top notch wrestling credentials.

Ultimately, I see this fight going down much like the Franklin battle with a lot of additional take down attempts. If Bisping can create a scramble, he may be able to continually punish Henderson, but there is always the one-shot right hand knockout in Henderson's arsenal. We know that Bisping's footwork, speed, and technical boxing skills have improved significantly since his stint on The Ultimate Fighter, but it's obvious that Henderson has also improved since his days in PRIDE. He has become much more patient in using his powerful overhand to punish opponents while remaining less committed in his stance. It truly makes it a much more formidable task to try to change levels on Henderson while he unloads.

Can Michael Bisping out-wrestle Dan Henderson? History would say there isn't much of a chance of that, but then again... is Bisping capable of evolving into a top notch athlete at the pace that guys like Kenny Florian and Rashad Evans seem to have done in a much shorter amount of time than most fighters in the UFC?

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the thing about Henderson is

he’s shown repeatedly in PRIDE that he will let himself get so carried away with trying to punch that he can be taken down by almost anyone. And on his back he’s a fish out of water.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 30, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Correct, and that was a tough position for me to stray away from in looking at this fight, but I truly thought that he might succumb to Palhares for that very reason. To be honest, all this talk from Bisping’s camp seems like something out of the entire Lashley-Sapp talk as well. Lashley stated over and over again he’d stand, but it was obvious he wasn’t going to. He proved that on Saturday.

I think Bisping’s best chance is to avoid Hendo’s huge right, and try to technically outbox him until he resorts to takedowns. Bisping can stuff and scramble, and potentially win.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

seriously how much did you have to drink before you wrote that

hendo may not use his offensive wrestling to his advantage but i cant remember him on his back due to a takkedown

the idea that bissping can tsake down hendo straight up is rediculous he would need to truly rock him to get any sort of offensive takedown

by bearcox13 on Jun 30, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Is this a reply to Nate’s post?

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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

you need to rewatch his fights

He was on his back repeatedly against Rampage and in his PRIDE days was infamous for letting himself get taken down by inferior wrestlers — Ninja, both Nogueira brothers, Bustamante and even Wanderlei Silva all put him on his back.
If memory serves, Misaki even got him down in both matches and Misaki is a terrible wrestler.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 30, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good point, and the Misaki fights have actually been a key counter argument against fans that truly believe Henderson should continue trying to punish opponents with his aggressive striking.

If Misaki can actually put Henderson down, what happens if he implements the same style and ends up being put on the ground against a very aggressive BJJ practicioner or top controlling wrestler? It’s bad news.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I suspect that all this talk about Bisping taking Henderson down is just mind games. Even if he can take Dan down, all those times he fails he could end up in the clinch or worse.

I think the better course of action would be to focus on footwork and outpoint Henderson, a la Leben.

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by Rundownloser on Jun 30, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree. I think it’s a whole lot of talk to try to make Henderson focus on takedown defense much more than actual striking.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

And Bisping could really do it too. He has better footwork than Dan and I think he could win this fight with that strategy.

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by Rundownloser on Jun 30, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

In the striking department, Bisping can win. One of the things that Henderson does seem to do very well is push opponets into the fence, creating a semi-scramble, and unleashing his overhand in the fray. It’s effective at times, but if Bisping can simply circle, keep a constant pace in the footwork, and technically jab and hook, he can win via decision.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

you know what my mistake

i forgot one thing

hendo is frpom team quest the land of no gamplan

there is no excuse tor him being taken down by bisping, but i guess you guys are right it could happen.

its the pure wrestler in me that thinks that he shouldnt but i forgot hendo isnt really a wrestler in the cage

so i guess what i really should be asking is “hey hendo how much are you drinking when you gameplan your fights”

im just pissing everybody off today

by bearcox13 on Jun 30, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, they don’t necessarily have “no gameplan”. It’s just that they create a gameplan from a pool of two schools of thought. Either A.) If you have some striking or heavy hands, use takedown defense to stifle opponent, then punish them with strikes OR B.) Use wrestling ability to gain top control and pummel opponents.

In this era, jiu-jitsu guys on the floor can counter plan B, and better strikes can counter plan A. And it isn’t unfathomable to see opponents that can do both in the UFC.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not only that, but they don’t really plan FOR a particular opponent; Sonnen admitted as much before both of his last fights (a win against Miller, a loss against Maia). That’s a terrible strategy for today’s MMA game. It may be true that there are no opponents who you simply CANNOT implement your game against (if you do it well enough), but there are definitely guys who are easier to beat in certain facets of the game, and ignoring that is like going into battle with only a knife; if it doesn’t turn into a knife fight, you’re in trouble.

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by AJB on Jun 30, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol no worries

it makes no sense that Henderson should ever be taken down in an MMA match unless he’s in a war with another strong wrestler like Rampage. But he’s shown time and again that he will forget himself in a fight, get busy headhunting and give up the takedown.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 30, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

bisping takes this i think.. hendo will be stubborn and stand with him, then he’ll get tagged by a much more technical fighter..

the only way i see him winning is if he lands that big punch or if he guidas his way to a decision.. I dont think he uses his offensive wrestling though.

by Anton Tabuena on Jun 30, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I think Rampage’s wrestling is vastly underrated.

It is probably the most interesting part of his fight with Rashad, as they both have striking power and speed, who will be the better wrestler?

My gut says Rashad, but I think Rampage will surprise some people.

by DirtyML on Jun 30, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

yeah

Rampage is a very strong wrestler with a decent amateur background in HS and college.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 30, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rashad is headed for 2 straight losses, folks.

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by xFenixKnightx on Jun 30, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Rashad is all wrong for Rampage. He has lots of head movement, nice footwork, and doesn’t throw wildly. Essentially, he’s a better version of Rampage, who himself is a disciplined striker but a bit too upright these days.

by a tommy point on Jun 30, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t say that Rashad a tommy point, don’t say that…

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by xFenixKnightx on Jun 30, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol @ nice footwork

he’s faster and he uses his feet more, that’s it

by yngjzy on Jun 30, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rampage’s wrestling is shown off best in the clinch. If he can get in tight against Rashad, that’s his world. Getting inside on a guy as fast as Rashad is the trick, but Rampage has some nice footwork and could do it.

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by AJB on Jun 30, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can Bisping out wrestle Hendo

NO! Ridiculous. Where do some of these articles and posts come from. Oh and by the way 185 is a much more natural weight for Hendo. Rampage is a much larger stronger man with good wrestling.

by oldskooljjsu on Jun 30, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Even so Hendo held his own with Rampage , he lost but definitely wasn’t dominated

by JoelMan on Jun 30, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where do some of these articles and posts come from?

The article stems from the quote by Bisping’s trainer, and it opens up some interesting discussion.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

and Henderson's habit

of getting obsessed with landing the big right hand and forgetting his takedown defense in his PRIDE days make it worth bringing up.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 30, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

*Yawn*

So Bisping’s coach thinks Bisping is gonna win , gee what a surprise , I was expecting him to say Bisping is gonna lose . Wow , he even says Bisping will have better wrestling…
It’s very simple really , unless Bisping completely re-invented himself as a fighter – something like Rashad’s performance against Chuck , he has no chance in this fight. Judging Bisping by his Hammil fight or even by his Leben fight ( I wasn’t impressed at all) I tend to think Hendo has the advantage everywhere . I don’t think Bisping reinvented himself, and even if he did he’s still going to battle against one of the truly best .

by JoelMan on Jun 30, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I think both the Hamill and Evans’ fights indicate that Bisping has some hurdles to jump in his wrestling game.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, youre right.

but those guys are at 205, bisping has looked better and improved a lot in 185.. dont know about his wrestling though..

by Anton Tabuena on Jun 30, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is true, and at 185, he gains speed.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he can outwrestle him but he is gonna outwork him and set a furious pace Hendo will most likely not be able to deal with.

Bisping by TKO 2nd rd. Yeah I said it! :P

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by xFenixKnightx on Jun 30, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Bisping already training in the new Tapout Center? That place looks amazing!

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by xFenixKnightx on Jun 30, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Bisping is a live Dog. If you wanna gamble this is the best bet.

by mmalogic on Jun 30, 2009 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Bisping won’t out wrestle Hendo. A much more pluasable question would have been will Bisping be able to out-strike Hendo? I don’t think so either way.

by Bandaka on Jun 30, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

This is a moot point,

because other than Hendo possibly shooting a few times (which I doubt his pride will allow him to do) this is going to be basically a kickboxing match. If Hendo truly cared about winning & winning alone, he would take Bisping down repeatedly & GnP him to death. But Hendo has shown in his career that he loves his right & I suspect this fight will be no different. I see a repeat of Bisping vs Leben.

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by dnevil001 on Jun 30, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

"Can Michael Bisping Out-wrestle Dan Henderson?"

Better question: where did you get all that straw for that man?

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by The Kittitas Kid on Jun 30, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

lol

touche

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by Kid Nate on Jun 30, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only reason I would even like to see Bisping win this is so that I can see him murdered in the ring by Anderson Silva.

by Madskillz on Jun 30, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

LOL, I try to remain unbiased in analyzing these matchups stylistically, but I have to admit… I’m not much of a fan of Michael Bisping. I have a lot of friends who have said the exact same thing. Get past Hendo just to get bombed by Silva.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did a double-take when i read this title! I understand Hendo was taken down by inferior wrestlers in pride on more than once occasion but i still dont think that meens the title holds water. Your comparing a Greco-Roman olympian to a guy that MIGHT be able to walk on and wrestle at a d3 school, then asking who will out wrestle who…? People don’t understand the gaps in talent as you progress levels in wrestling!

The term “world class” is thrown around way too much, but thats exactly what an olympic wrestler is competing on the biggest stage. For instance, I was a standout H.S wrestler, I placed in the counties 4 years in a row and was the runner up in my senior year (in one of the best wrestling counties in the country) I was’nt heavily recruited and wound up wrestling at Nassau Community College (d3) for a year before quitting to pursue bjj full time. The talent gap between a guy like me (at d3) compared to a NCAA division 1 decent wrestler at that level is pretty big! I would have gotten handled at that level thats why I did’nt make it! The talent at the d1 level is crazy!!

Now you go from d1 studs who are incredible wrestlers and it goes up another level to olympic trials and so on. There is a big gap in between the guys who try out for the olympic squads and those who make it. The talent difference between a good d1 wrestler and an olympian is HUGE!! This is where Dan Henderson is at. People don’t understand how incredibly hard it is to achieve the level he has in wrestling.

I hope I did a decent job clarifying who some people are so shocked at the title of this article. In response to the question “Can Michael Bisping out wrestle Dan Henderson”…….the answer is a resounding HELLLLL NOOOOO!!

by MMANut25 on Jun 30, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

You can close that wrestling gap alot easier in mma… when there are punches, kicks and submissions involved the disparity in wrestling skill can be mitigated and sometimes overcome.

by mmalogic on Jun 30, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

To give a concrete example, in folk wrestling you are taught to guard your legs while in your stance. Hands down doesn’t work with striking.

by szucconi on Jun 30, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention

Many of the referees position moves are somewhat useless in MMA. I have yet to see a guy pull a Granby or a Peterson in MMA. In fact, many of these moves aren’t even useful in grappling tournaments.

by Captain7 on Jun 30, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think Sakuraba

used the granby roll a couple of times. He used to turtle up a lot (before Wandy curbstomped him) and I think he busted out a granby to reverse Alan Goes or Carlos Newton…..yes I’ve been watching old PRIDE DVDs.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 30, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously I meant in the UFC...the only place where it matter, Duh!

But seriously, I don’t watch old Pride DVDs. Of course, knowing what I’ve seen of Sakuraba I could see him using a granby.

Then again I used a peterson roll at Jujitsu today, so maybe weird wrestling moves can be effective in a fight…but not usually.

by Captain7 on Jun 30, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

they're like

flying triangles or spinning backfists — there’s a time and a place but they’re not high % moves.
Joe Stevenson used the spladle against Nick Diaz and far side rolls so don’t tell me there’s NO place for fancy wrestling moves in MMA, just not a big place.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 1, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

*Nate

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by AJB on Jul 1, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

but Dan Henderson is playing under a different set of rules

and he’s frankly never been that great a wrestler in MMA. He’s a near-great MMA fighter, but his defensive wrestling is definitely the most underused item in his tool kit.
Obviously he’d slaughter Bisping in a greco-roman rules match.
I’m curious to know — was Henderson ever that great defensively in wrestling competition?
I know that some top flight Olympic wrestlers aren’t that great at defense — Ben Askren for example is notorious for being all offense, no defense. Did Henderson have that same imbalance as an amateur wrestler?

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by Kid Nate on Jun 30, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re kidding me, right?

Wrestling in a straight wrestling matchup in the Olympics is still a completely different thing to do versus wrestling in a MMA match for the mere fact that someone can actually punch you in the face. If Hendo over commits his punches and Bisping changes levels at the right time, it’s almost a guaranteed takedown. A good example would be Sherk’s takedown of Edgar that Nate focuses on in one of his articles.

And as Nate points out below with a great example of a guy who is a top notch offensive wrestler in Ben Askren, he is well-known for not having great takedown defense. He lost to Ivan Fundora Zaldivar in the Olympics because Ivan is world-renowned for having phenomenal takedowns that are explosive and tough to stop. Askren wasn’t great at stopping them at all, hence why he lost.

I’m uncertain as to Hendo’s wrestling style back in Greco-Roman, but Askren vs. Zaldivar is a good example of a wrestling match that has overtones of what can happen in a MMA matchup. Add in the fact that Hendo has to worry about being knocked dizzy, and it presents a completely different concept.

As Jens stated in regards to boxing and MMA when Sylvia fought Mercer, those two sports are COMPLETELY different, and so is straight collegiate/Olympic wrestling vs. MMA. The only major difference is that it’s much easier for wrestlers to transition back to their base if rocked whereas a boxer wouldn’t have much of a chance as they are used to standing.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is the most one sided non-Kid Nate poll I have ever seen on BE.

by szucconi on Jun 30, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Is this one of those articles thats written just because you know it will get a big reaction?

by Ozone on Jun 30, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

It was an attempt to spark a little conversation. To be honest, I thought there might be a clique of fans out there who truly think that Bisping’s development is growing exponentially. If he focused on straight wrestling for much of his camp, I was interested to see if anyone bought into it.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he can beat Henderson, but not by wrestling with him. Bisping will need to outwork Decision Dan on the feet and maybe…MAYBE…go for a takedown if the opportunity arises. When he does commit and Henderson switches into wrestling mode, pop him in the face a few times and avoid the hammer attached to Dan’s arm.

Keep him guessing and use the wrestling only in between flurries and when the timing is right. The fact that Bisping constantly works and is pretty good at getting off of his back and avoiding big shots makes me think he can when this fight 35% of the time, maybe 40%.

by Captain7 on Jun 30, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he can win via wrestling either. Quick footwork and technical boxing with the defense to avoid the right hand.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 1, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. Further, you’re looking at 2 guys going in different directions. Bisping is improving and enhancing his game, while Hendo is deteriorating and limiting his game. 2 years ago this is a mismatch, today, it’s a battle.

by jebushchrist on Jun 30, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

And in two years it’s a mismatch again, just in the other way.

by Captain7 on Jun 30, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leland

Congratulations on winning that Affliction shit. Wear the flaming skulls proudly!

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by Day Man on Jun 30, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL, yeah, I was a bit surprised.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 30, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, it was supposed to say “Affliction shirt”. Awesome Freudian slip though.

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by Day Man on Jun 30, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see Bisping getting a takedown, Hendo rarely goes for a takedown.

by OBG on Jun 30, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

No one is mentioning that Bisping trains with

Cheick “Did I mention I like to wrestle” Kongo and might have a similar messed up mindset. If you spend enough time in the gym learning things you’re likely to want to apply them.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 30, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Wolfslair forecasting

We know, we know….Kongo was going to KO Cain and now Bisping will finish Dan. Those chaps should just train and stay outta the future-telling bizz.

by The Real T-Bone on Jun 30, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, Kongo only had 2 weeks prep

Keep firing Assholes!

Out out, you demons of stupidity!

by Ubernoober on Jun 30, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, Kongo’s been on his weird wrestling trip since the Herring fight.

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by AJB on Jun 30, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has anyone confirmed the news that Kongo blew out his ACL in the weeks leading up to the Cain fight and went through with the fight anyway?

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by Day Man on Jun 30, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I heard this too somewhere.

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by iiowyn on Jul 1, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

This was somewhat mentioned in the article via the quote. They have the same wrestling trainer, and he trained Kongo for Velasquez.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 1, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes MMA and wrestling are two totally different animals that much is obvious. The point I was making above was an attempt to illustrate just how world class and skilled Hendo actually is when it comes to to wrestling. This guy was drilling takedowns and putting blood and sweat on the mats before any member or editor on this site knew what an armlock was! Of course striking and subs being incorporated def changes the dynamics of any matchup but the result won’t differ much. To rephrase: “Can Bisping out wrestle Dan Henderson in an mma contest”………..HELL NO!…..and I would like to add Hendo by decision.

by MMANut25 on Jun 30, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Use the reply, man. I didn’t find this till way later.

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by Leland Roling on Jul 1, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno man

Misaki managed to dominate the wrestling aspect of one of his fights with Henderson. Dan’s someone who has a hard time transitioning between the phases of fighting. If you can get him absorbed in the standup, you can get him on his back.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 1, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

So did Arona. Just watched it this morning, and while Dan swept him like a half dozen times, Arona was usually the one taking the fight to the ground because of exactly what everyone here has already noted: overcommitting to his striking, headhunting with that right, and getting his feet taken out from under him.

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by AJB on Jul 1, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

this fight could turn into a snooze fest. I like both fighters but neither of these guys truly excites me. Hendo prime was in PRIDE just wrecking people, maybe this is Bispings time. I think he is still improving and beats Hendo. Wrestling won’t be an issue.

by Riney on Jun 30, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

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