A Shot at the UFC Equals a Shot at Redemption for Kimbo Slice
For something as simple as a hopeful MMA fighter appearing on The Ultimate Fighter with the intention of winning a UFC contract, the Kimbo Slice/UFC( or Dana White) story is one filled with angles of all kinds. The situation can be analyzed and re-analyzed to death. Some wonder why Kimbo would risk embarrassment against fighters with virtually no profile instead of taking large sums of money to fight in Japan or boxing under the guidance of Gary Shaw. He would likely receive some level of protection against dangerous opponents were Kimbo to go with any of the "likely" scenarios. Others question Dana White and his intentions since he's been Kimbo's most vocal detractor. Many see the arrangement as an act on pure genius by Kimbo, or maybe it's another beautifully orchestrated business move by the Dana, himself. Hell, maybe everyone is just smarter today than they were a few days ago. Of course, everybody could be much dumber; it depends on your perspective.
For this piece, I'll stick with the simple, because simple is what I do. The last time we saw Kimbo Slice in the cage, he was unceremoniously embarrassed by a light-heavyweight with pink hair, a UFC washout if you will. Seth Petruzelli was a man who took the fight with EliteXC's biggest star on extremely short notice and proceeded to take the $500,000 man out in just seconds in front of millions of onlookers on CBS. The dilemma which followed helped fuel the disintegration of the terribly run promotion that had been the first MMA concern to score a primetime network TV deal. As quickly as Kimbo hit the canvas, so too did ProElite.
The never timid Dana White was there through it all to point out the holes in ProElite's and Kimbo's respective games. As most know, he even offered Kimbo a shot at the UFC via The Ultimate Fighter. All the smart money said that Kimbo would never take such a raw deal when his still huge name could score substantial paydays elsewhere. What most of us may have discounted was Kimbo Slice's pride. It never occurred to many that he may, in fact, want to redeem himself. Maybe, he wasn't comfortable taking a paycheck with the cloud of Seth Petruzelli and the ProElite debacle hanging over his head. Boxing cans handpicked by Gary Shaw would be the proverbial path of least resistance.
However, if Kimbo was seeking the medicine that is redemption, how could he best do so? I think we know the answer. Kimbo has decided to take the UFC president up on his offer and fight his way into the world's most successful MMA promotion. Yes, he'll make big money if he succeeds. Matter of fact, White admitted that, if Kimbo wins, he'll receive a contract much sweeter than the standard fare for TUF champions. Kimbo is a fighter with a huge name. He's certainly not one of the top mixed martial artists, but he offers much as a result of his high public profile. But, don't let Kimbo's potentially big payoff become a distraction. He's engaging in a competition where the odds of him running the table and winning are extremely slim. All the talk of what he could make is nothing more than talk if he is unable to prove himself inside the cage. Kimbo Slice has abandoned the safety net of carefully chosen opponents for a shot at MMA legitimacy. For all the criticisms I and others have heaped on Kimbo in the past, he deserves a lot of respect for not just cashing a paycheck but playing to win.
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This whole episode makes me very curious about the Bas situation. At first, what Bas had to say made me question Kimbo and his interest in the sport. However, this situation seems to run counter to that assumption. It’s curious to say that least.
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by Rundownloser on Jun 3, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing that I question is simply whether or not the UFC will still sign Kimbo if he loses the competition even in the first round of it. I am sure that Kimbo will be very popular on TUF, and people will most likely be a fan of his. Kimbo equals money, so I cannot imagine the UFC not signing Kimbo regardless of what happens to him on TUF.
by chrisbboy82 on Jun 4, 2009 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The results for TUF 10 will probably leak before the show airs.
Keep firing Assholes!
Out out, you demons of stupidity!
by Ubernoober on Jun 3, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who leaks them on BE = banned.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Rec'd
So very, very banned.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 3, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want details.
sweat sweat cause i'm a poisonous pill
by Eugene Schelfaut on Jun 4, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that gets me...
is that some people are acting like somehow Kimbo on TUF is horrible because he “beat up cans” but the news of Mike Russow (a big time can crusher) getting signed was met with a resounding “yay!”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know anyone who is reacting like Kimbo on TUF is horrible
But Mike Russow is a can. He’s just a can who has strung a few wins together.
by rainmaker6 on Jun 3, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach Arnold just doesn’t like the UFC or Slice or “water carriers” for the UFC.
by Cannon Jacques on Jun 3, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I tend...
to spend way too much time at like Sherdog to get the “message board perspective” on these “big stories” and there was a lot of that shit.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 3, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been thinking about it, and, unless you believe Dana is pulling the strings for or against Kimbo, this should earn Kimbo some small bit of respect.
by Cannon Jacques on Jun 3, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt
And there’s a high risk that he’ll get his ass handed to him. If that’s the case then his marketability will be destroyed and everything Dana has said will be vindicated.
by rainmaker6 on Jun 3, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is definatly a win win situation for Dana
Hello, Japan!
by Mr.Kib on Jun 4, 2009 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win TUF
If Kimbo can manage to win his first round match than beat the hand picked TUF Finale opponent UFC will offer him a fat contract. Two wins is enough to say he is legit fighter. If UFC can string Bisping along for 6 straight wins then they can easily build Kimbo up for a high profile fight.
by bignerd on Jun 3, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo really surprised me with this move. I think he does want some redemption and he does want some respect. As for Dana, I find this whole thing very interesting for him. Of course the UFC wins whether Kimbo becomes successful or fails utterly. From a business stand point, they’re probably hoping for Kimbo to succeed. It wouldn’t be the first time Dana did business with someone he didn’t like. The thing that impresses me about Dana, is that he could easily try to maneuver something so Kimbo gets the easy way in, but despite having his favorites from time to time, Dana has always let the chips fall where they may. Cause at the end of the day, it’s two guys in a cage.
Kimbo has always seemed humble, so I wish him the best of luck.
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by pud333 on Jun 3, 2009 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to sound like a douche
but to say “Dana has always let the chips fall where they may” is a direct insult to Michael Bispings UFC carreer.
by MrBlond3 on Jun 3, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they want to build someone up, of course they’re gonna try and tailor the competition for him in a certain way, but it’s not like they’ll fix fights or anything. In Kimbo’s case, he needs time and experience to be built up. But at 35, I don’t know how feasible that is. And if he fought outright cans, the hardcore fans would see right through it.
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by pud333 on Jun 4, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause at the end of the day, it’s two guys in a cage.
Or one guy and a can.
by ufc4 on Jun 4, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the thing that keeps sticking in my head with all this...
… is the word kimbo used in his video blog interview: RECESSION.
we can make an educated guess that he was asking for too much from strikeforce (based on coker’s comments). it seemed clear that affliction wasn’t interested. and i’m sure his confidence in shaw was shaken after the the elitexc mess (not the mention the aforementioned myth of huge boxing paydays). what else does that leave? japan? he probably went over there, realized the payday or level of recognition wasn’t what he anticipated, and went with the ultimate fighter situation as his best option. maybe all these “safer” options just weren’t on the table?
while i have respect for the man, i think it’s a bit of a leap to say he’s going through with this deal to legitimize himself. of course, everything i just said is wildly speculative, so who am i say.
by woooburn on Jun 3, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He would have been a mega star in Japan. He checks off every American stereotype they love to buy into.
by bignerd on Jun 3, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ll be the first to admit i’m no expert on the japanese mma situation. i’m sure that’s entirely possible
by woooburn on Jun 3, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All you need to know: Bob Sapp practically leads a religious movement. He’s a megastar and no matter how many times he taps to loose leg locks, he’ll remain one.
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by AJB on Jun 3, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The real question is whether or not Japan could even house another giant pink space baby.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jun 4, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
My current view is that, regardless of his intentions, the move to be on TUF lends him legitimacy as someone who wants to be respected as a mixed martial artist. I have to admit that I haven’t watched the vlog you’re referencing. Unless you think there’s some kind of grand conspiracy at work, I feel that Kimbo is doing this the right way, irrespective of what he’s done in the past. I can’t say that I’ll be cheering him on, but I guess I’m inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
by Cannon Jacques on Jun 3, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, i dont think i did the best job explaining myself. i totally see your point, and definitely think that him trying to become a fighter that’s taken seriously is PART of the equation, i’m just not so sure it’s as big a part as everyone is saying. i think it’s just as much about (potentially) getting paid a large chunk of money, and keeping his name in the spotlight, in the most public possible way. win or lose, he’s still gonna be on your tv set every week. that wouldn’t happen if he went to japan.
definitely not implying any kind of conspiracy or anything… just wondering if he really DID get all the other offers people are speculating about.
here’s the interview i was referring to. i’d be curious to hear your impression of it after you watch it:
by woooburn on Jun 3, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me, regardless of what is motivating him to do it, were he to win he would have to be considered a legit fighter. If that also brings him wealth and fame, well, so be it. But it will be undeniable that he’s taken the road less travelled.
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by AJB on Jun 3, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not really disagreeing with you.
I understand what you’re saying, and you may be right. That’s certainly one way to look at it. Honestly, I don’t read too much into the video. I think he was just struggling for something to say. I’m kind of cynical, so I don’t take what people say in those type of productions all that seriously, anyway. With that said, I have gotten a little tired of the conspiracy stuff. I’m not saying you’re a conspiracy theorist at all. I’m just taking this thing at face value and seeing where it goes. It’s interesting to the point that I wanted to write something about it but had a hard time figuring out what aspect I wanted to concentrate on. I can’t believe that everyone involved kept the deal under wraps this long. We’ll just have to see how it plays out. I think Kimbo can make a good showing and improve his position, but I don’t see him going all the way.
In short, I think Kimbo could have done something safer, and still done alright for himself financially. I do think the TUF deal has the potentially biggest payoff, but it’s by far the riskiest of the scenarios people thought up for him. Maybe, there weren’t as many avenues for Kimbo to take as we once thought. However, I still think he had some decent choices.
by Cannon Jacques on Jun 3, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right on. definitely didn’t mean to bust your chops for writing the piece that you did. just playing devil’s advocate for a bit.
very curious to see how this all plays out.
by woooburn on Jun 3, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actually respect him more now..
he could’ve gone to boxing and did some other stuff.. but he decided to try and make it to the big show.. good for him.. i hope he does well cause he really seems like a decent guy who just got used by a company..
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 3, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree, and if he somehow does make it then good for him. I don’t think he is anything but a one-dimensional banger (and not a very good one at that) but it would be interesting to see what happened if he actually got into the octagon against a real UFC-caliber fighter. Obviously he would get murdered but he would also probably draw more buys than Brock Lesnar so I can’t say it would be a bad thing.
by ufc4 on Jun 4, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m happy for Kimbo. This is the level of competition he belongs at.
A year from now, I could see him being a legit MMA fighter. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t ever see him being any were close to a title shot, but legit.
by EnsignFrog on Jun 3, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Timing is key
I don’t think that this is anyway shape or form news to Dana White, the guy is way to smart (hate all you want) not to sit on Kimbo Slice for at least the better part of a year before bringing the guy in just to make sure that he has all the pieces of the puzzle in place, unlike Gary Shaw Dana puts the border together first. It’s got to taste pretty sweet for Dana letting all those investors dump money into an attempt to compete and all they did was help the UFC. Win or lose on TUF Kimbo will be fighting for the UFC like many have already said. The funniest thing is that if it was Kimbo or Fedor they choose Kimbo without a doubt and this is why MMA will become what has happened to boxing. Pound for pound never wins capitalism does, ask Roy Jones.
by MrBlond3 on Jun 4, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Kimbo does well. I still tihnk he will find himself tackled by one of the many enormous former NFL players they have on the show and pummeled for two rounds but I give a heap of respect to the guy for wanting to show what he’s worth.
On TUF 10 as a whole, I’m still recovering from blowing a rib laughing at the black on black on black crime comment I read somewhere and that the coaches challenge would be a game of dice.
by SamCupitt on Jun 4, 2009 3:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What I like best about this is how economically sound it all seems. It`s almost like Kimbo is working for a salary instead of a consultant-fee. Say he gets a fight post-TUF for 200K, then it`s sort of like he got payed 20k/week.
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by BlueberryMuffin on Jun 4, 2009 3:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the people who think that kimbo didnt get any guaranteed money up front are probably the same sort of people who think that because people test negative, they definitely arent using a p.e.d. seriously, i get that its fun to believe that all of a sudden this dude went from needing to feed his kids to budo, but cmon. theres no easter bunny or santa too.
by nigelzackit on Jun 4, 2009 8:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dana would stands to loose ALOT publically if that were to be true.
I seriously doubt that he would put himself in that position over Kimbo Slice. The UFC has absolutely no need of Kimbo’s dubious fame and I doubt that Dana would position himself for public humiliation by going back on his previous statements about Slice.
by Razreshat on Jun 4, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he stands to lose nothing publically because no one is gonna care. if it turned out that spike dropped him a bag of cash to do the show, all youd hear is how smart spike was to spend that and get a big ratings boost from it.
by nigelzackit on Jun 4, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
youre right. it makes way more sense that kimbo slice is chasing legitimacy from hardcore fans by not taking big paychecks he needs for some imagined dream. in other news, faries did not leave you singles under your pillow when you put teeth there as a child.
by nigelzackit on Jun 4, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt the UFC paid him a load of money up front. As Dana said, if he gets into the UFC, his contract is very different than the others, which probably means he’ll make some good dough if he performs and brings in PPV buys. The UFC doesn’t need Kimbo, and after all the things Dana has said about Kimbo being useless, I don’t think he’d all of a sudden throw a sack of money at him without him proving himself first. People will care if Dana did such a thing.
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by pud333 on Jun 4, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do you think his contract is different if hes not a draw?
by nigelzackit on Jun 4, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re the one who’s dreaming if you think Kimbo is walking away from “big paychecks”. Strikeforce didn’t want him. Affliction is on its way out (and they’re already paying WAY too much for legitimate fighters). This leaves him with one way to make his bread – the UFC. And the only way he’s getting in the door if TUF.
This is a smart move by Kimbo. He thinks he can win 3 fights and if he does, he’ll likely be making as much as he did with EXC. It also gives him a shot at redemption. No conspiracy – it’s business.
by jebushchrist on Jun 4, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lolol i must have dreamed kimbo being in that k1 ring. i guarantee you the money they would have paid him is a lot more than 5gs, which is your average tuf loser contract. same with a renegotiated strikeforce contract, or even one from affliction. but if you want to stay in fantasy land, go ahead.
by nigelzackit on Jun 4, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, everyone knows the big money is in K1!
And all of these imaginary contracts he had lined up sure panned out for him, since he hasn’t had a fight in over a year.
Your straw man is tired of getting knocked down.
by jebushchrist on Jun 4, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering if the knowledge of who would be the coaches affected Kimbo decision?
Perhaps he liked the idea of having either Rampage or Rashad as his coach.
by Razreshat on Jun 4, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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