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Jake Rossen Diagnoses the Lee Murray Fan

Leemurray_mediumFrom Sherdog:

Why the infatuation? Why are forums filled with people performing the cyberspace equivalent of a jailhouse vigil? Murray (again, allegedly) orchestrated a major heist involving automatic weapons and took a sizable sum he had no legal claim to. From all appearances, he’s a surly and violent man with no regard for the law and a seeming apathy toward human life. (You don’t brandish guns unless you intend to use them for their intended purpose: killing.) He did not give the money to charity. He bought a tacky mansion and decorated it with an eyesore portrait of himself. This is not someone you would consider to be a valuable example of humanity.

There must be something amusing and energizing about observing a display of such hubris in our regulated, starched-collar society. Murray is some kind of human Id, behaving with an utter disregard for consequences. He is Phineas Gage, the man who had an iron bar driven into his head and was forever more a profane, heartless bastard. We all want to tell people off. We all want to walk away from a knife fight. We all want $92 million. Murray did something about it.

"Public Enemies" is a film opening shortly. It’s the story of John Dillinger, with Johnny Depp starring as the charismatic bank thief too charming to be thought an amoral bastard. I get the sense that Americans mired in the great Depression read about Dillinger’s exploits -- which included the murder of police -- with a guilty and quiet reverence. Now here we are in an economic tar pit of new design, and here comes Lee Murray, who was pretty damn close to enjoying the good life after an audacious heist. This isn’t hero worship. This is wish fulfillment.

I've long wrestled with the whys of the fascination with Lee Murray, my own and others'. Rossen pretty much nails it here. It's not just MMA fans that fantasize about punching Tito Ortiz in the face, pulling off the biggest bank heist in history and running off to live in a mansion on the beach.

Lee Murray has gotten as much mainstream media interest as any MMA fighter in history. Who else has been featured in a full episode of ESPN 360? What other fighter does TIME want to make a bio pic of?

The story of Lightening Lee Murray clearly appeals to that little bit of sociopathy inside every human animal who's forced to live by the rules and wishes it could break out in an orgy of abandon.

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I think ppl really don’t like Tito

but it is the same reason why people loved Omar from The Wire or Tony from Scarface. We are fascinated by what we will never be.

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by Zak Woods on Jun 29, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree,

I think the drilling Tito in the face along with taking Anderson Silva to a close decision has MMA fans in a frenzy about a possible rematch. For the bank heist, to me it is just kind of interesting that a former MMA fighter was involved in a crime of that size.

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Jun 29, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you seen the A.Silva fight?

Murray barely landed a punch. He got schooled, tbh. Was also totally gassed by the end.
Even the incredibly biased commentators were saying before the 3rd round that Murray needed a knockout.
The fight reminded me a little of the Cote v Anderson fight.

by Well Read Idiot on Jun 30, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think people love Omar because he has a great code. I mean, he does what the police should being doing right?

by blackzag05 on Jun 29, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

uhhh did you watch the Wire bc I am pretty sure killing people / stealing drugs to sell them back on the street for yourself is what the police should be doing

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by Zak Woods on Jun 29, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless you are a policeman in tijuana

by szucconi on Jun 29, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hear he is a huge dick, but he hasn’t been able to open his mouth publicly for a few years so I think that has something to do with it, if he is a huge dick. Dillinger was a criminal, but one who interacted with the media and was “charming”. Not so sure Murray would come off as such, but I guess there is a comparison there. Also, I heard “Public Enemies” was to long and gets boring.

by szucconi on Jun 29, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How could you not be fascinated by a guy who

won a MMA fight at the highest level, the UFC, and pulled one of the biggest bank heists in history?

by polevaultking on Jun 29, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You don’t brandish guns unless you intend to use them for their intended purpose: killing.

Plenty of ppl brandish guns with no intention of using them. It’s called intimidation.

by Disco1Stu on Jun 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If it’s not loaded.

by spectaa on Jun 29, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s just that he has an interesting story. People don’t admire him, but with a story like his, it’s hard not to be interested.

" Man is not made for defeat. A man can be destroyed but not defeated "
- Hemingway

by Hellsing on Jun 29, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Americans Love Anti-Heroes

Go back to the “Wild West” days of American culture and you will find numerous examples of ant-heroes like Murray(my AV for example) that were embraced or even beloved. This infatuation continued w/the rise of the mafia in American society.

Certainly, Lee Murray is not a “good man” but neither was Jesse James, Billy The Kid, John Dillinger, Al Capone, or John Gotti. The movie and TV characters of Tony Montana and Tony Saprano are also quite popular in the U.S. and all over the world even though both are clearly sociopaths.

"It would appear that the strain was more than he could bear".- Doc Holliday

by MyFistYourFace on Jun 29, 2009 12:42 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Not just americans

Jaques Mesrines ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Mesrine ) a notorious french Criminal was almost adulated at some point.

“Some of the press seem to have regarded him as a romantic rogue at the time. He even gave press interviews where he tried to convince people that his kidnapping and robberies were politically motivated. He was very concerned about his own publicity – he almost killed French journalist Jacques Tillier because he did not like his articles about him. Tillier was a former Directorate of Territorial Security policeman who wrote articles for the far-right newspaper ‘Minute’.”

It’s not an american thing.

by spectaa on Jun 29, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not just MMA fans

Apostrophe fail.

Rossen, once again, tries to make this something it’s not. You don’t brandish a gun unless you’re planning on using it??? Was Jake dropped as a young child?

by subo on Jun 29, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that was kinda off.

by spectaa on Jun 29, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

d'oh

thanks for catching the apostrophe fail.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 29, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and I agree with Rossen on the gun thing

pointing a loaded gun in someone’s face is rightfully considered assault with a deadly weapon.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 29, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that among the things Murray is charged with?

by subo on Jun 29, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jake makes a great point: why do we still care about Lee Murray? I mean he was on ESPN.com’s front page. It’s crazy. I get it’s a interesting story but so are the fighters who are actually in the sport right now.

by blackzag05 on Jun 29, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Lee Murray fans"...

I can assure you they know/knew nothing about his career. Zak said it best, people just don’t like Tito. 2 things he’s known for and it’s not his fighting career. Tito and Bank incident.

by poundnground on Jun 29, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Without the Tito incident we would not have heard of this guy.

Think about it, how blown away were you when the LHW champ of the UFC got KTFO at a nightclub by a smaller dude!!! It was as amazing as if Phelps lost a swimming race to someone you pulled off the street.

Additionally, he and some friends of his used to interact with fans on some forums, which aided his popularity. That, and the ridiculous stories of street fighting in London (which I am sure half of which would be true, to be fair).

by Well Read Idiot on Jun 30, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn’t Murray absent during the actual crime?

by Riney on Jun 29, 2009 11:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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