According to the UG:
Drew Fickett showed up drunk to Shannon Ritch main event fight at Rage In The Cage Arizona last night. The fight got called off.
"I just talked to a fighter on the card and its true. They wouldn't allow him to fight, seems he was drunk."
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Jesus...
what an ass. I mean, sure…you could probably beat Shannon Ritch drunk. But be a professional and show up sober…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 28, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe not
Drew Fickett has lost 7 of his last 9 fights. He is not really at the peak of his career.
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Fickett should be suspended
He shouldn’t be allowed to fight again until he does a stint in rehab. Probably ought to be breahalized before any future fights.
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this is just sad
not to get all preachy on everyone, but alcoholism is a disease and it kills people. Drew is clearly in serious need of help and medical attention to detox and then some serious rehab and counseling to get off the sauce.
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BS (IMO)
I don’t want to stir up a hornet’s nest, but probably will. Any thing that is started by choice is NOT a disease. I’m well aware of genetic predisposition or family history or any other scientific reasoning people use to support this theory. But in my eyes, it still boils down to the fact that it starts out as a choice. Regardless of whether we agree on whether its a “disease” or not, one thing is for certain. People die because of it and it’s a damn shame. Good thing the US government spends billions annually to fight alcohol abuse instead of non-deadly vices like marijuana. Oh wait… nevermind.
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by schizosmurf on Jun 28, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
bullshit right back at you
regardless of the cause — alcoholism is recognized as a disease by the AMA.
just like heart disease (started by poor habits, shitty diet, smoking, etc), emphasema, lung cancer, syphilis, AIDS, lots of diseases are started by optional behavior. They’re still diseases and they still kill.
I’ve lost friends to alcoholism. Its not funny, its sad and awful.
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It's sad and awful...
but it’s on him and his management if they can’t get him to a show sober. It’s no one else’s fault
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 28, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Alcoholism is a “disease” like any addiction is a “disease.” It’s a disease like ADHD (speaking of BS) is a disease. Whether or not Drew Fickett is an alcoholic or not is irrelevant. He showed up drunk and not only is it unprofessional but I believe it warrants a significant suspension. If they’re willing to suspend guys and overturn fights for showing up with marijuana in their system, then why not alcohol? At least weed doesn’t make you go home and beat your wife. But seriously, alcoholism may be a disease but it’s still a matter of willpower, so some people call it a “disease” so they have an excuse for why they are afflicted. I’ve lost people to alcoholism as well, so it’s not like I’m going off of nothing.
It’s just kind of sad what alcohol has done to society in general. Don’t get me wrong, I like to drink some beers every now and again but I don’t go out once a week (which is an official medical definition of alcoholism, so don’t whine about how that’s judgmental and doesn’t apply to you) to get as wasted as I can. Drinking has just kind of turned into a past-time, like smoking weed. A lot of young people don’t even think about it, but it’s easy to just sit there and drink or get high instead of developing a hobby or an active interest in something. Drinking is what young people do now instead of actual activities, especially in a university atmosphere. Most alcoholism begins at young age because people think it’s cool to get wasted multiple times a week. I’m sure many of the guys we see rampaging on TUF started drinking in high school or college. That’s why they have such a terrible problem and cannot control themselves. That and they are immature.
When I say alcoholism is a “disease” I understand that it’s not something you catch. You’re responsible for what happened to you and you need to make a personal choice in all things related to alcohol. That said, I think “disease” has become some arbitrary guideline that they attach to any sort of condition that is outside what a standard human being should be.
It may be considered a disease, but at the same time i know many people, my brother-in-law included who grew up with drunk fathers, uncles and grandfathers, and were on a one way street to becoming an alcoholic as well. But they were able to choose other wise and never touch alcohol again. So unlike diseases as small as ADHD or as terrible as Cancer, Alcoholism is something that can be controlled with will power.
and so is lung cancer
or diabetes or heart disease.
or even AIDS.
doesn’t make it not a dangerous disease.
alcohol is poison.
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oh bullshit
no one dies from ADHD.
Alcoholism kills.
Sure its the drunk’s own fault and he is the only one who can save himself but its still a terminal condition and there’s nothing funny about it.
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You're right but.....
Watching a drunk fall off a bar stool is fucking hilarious.
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yeah
and burying 2 friends after they’ve been killed in a DWI by a drunk is a laugh riot.
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No
That is a serious buzz kill.
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by Warhand on Jun 28, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Using the word “kill” in this last comment was tasteless. I am sorry. I think I have been hanging out in the UG too much.
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no worries
i’m just old and cynical. seen a lot of carnage in my 40 years on the planet.
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Alcoholism doesn't kill.
Car crashes as a result of drunk driving, liver failure due to Liver Cirrhosis, Alcohol poisoning, choking on your vomit when you’re passed out, etc all kill.
But the state of ‘alcoholism’ in and of itself isn’t lethal. Devastating to one’s life? Absolutely. But not necessarily lethal.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jun 28, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
This rminds me of a line from Collateral.
Cruise’s character shoots a guy who then falls out of window onto Fow’s characters car.
Fox: “You killed him!”
Cruise: “No, it was probably the bullets and the fall.”
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I’ve known people who became addicted to marijuana, trust me you can develop a addiction to lots of things. Marijuana can also do a lot of damage to a person if over used, hell just about anything can cause serious damage if overused. The pot vs booze arguement is way overused and pretty irrelevant.
yeah but pot doesn't kill like booze does
hell you can get addicted to picking your nose. all addictions aren’t created equal.
getting addicted to gambling can sure as hell ruin your life, but it won’t destroy your liver too the way booze will.
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The jury is still out on death yet but I can tell you that what it’s done to my brother is no freaking joke.
Nobody has ever suffered physical marijuana withdrawal. It’s not chemically addictive. Psychological addictions suck as well, but it’s different.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
If you’re at a ballgame or you’re at a concert and someone is really violent, aggressive and obnoxious, are they drunk or are they smokin’ pot?
-Bill Hicks, ‘Beer vs. Pot’
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever seen how angry an ‘every-day’ pot smoker gets when they try and come off the stuff though??
The withdrawal symptoms for pot are pretty much that – anxiety, mood swings, irritability – you’re pissed because you can’t get stoned. I compare it to a fat person on a diet – if you’ve got the wrong kind of personality, you can get yourself addicted to cheesecake.
I’ve been smoking on a virtually daily basis for almost ten years, I’m flying out to California to visit family this weekend, and I’m going to go a few days without getting high. I’ll be fine.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeh i smoked every day for about 3 years and couldn’t believe how angry i got when i came off it. It subsided pretty quickly though. I just found all the withdrawal symptoms were pretty much feeling the exact opposite feelings of what you feel when you are baked. When i was baked i could never get bored. Then i found out pretty quick that sitting on a couch telling random stories to people can be pretty boring when you’re straight.
But yeh, definitely not comparable to the withdrawal symptoms of an alcoholic.
PS: if i had to spend a few days with my family straight I’m not sure if i would be fine. = )
Some people just plain get addicted, I knew a guy in college who lost his scholorship and got kicked out of school because he just couldn’t leave the pot alone, he ended up in rehab and it took him years to get back on track. Yea it’s not a physical addiction but rest assured it can be a devestating one for some people.
My uncle smokes joints like cigarettes and has all but burned out his brain but I have known numerous people who smoked plenty and eventually just grew out of it and moved on with their lives with no problems at all. Heck my wife smoked pot for years and years and one day just stopped and has never even mentioned it again.
I ran out of sympathy for drunks a long time ago. I’ve been drunk and I’ve been addicted to things. It’s a matter of choices, and guys like Drew Fickett refuse to acknowledge their problem, and furthermore refuse outside assistance – because it is definitely hard to cut an addiction to alcohol, no doubt about it. So no, I probably won’t stop laughing at stupid shit people do when they are drunk, even if he dies.
what about me saying its a disease makes you think I care about Fickett or
feel any sympathy for the fool?
I just don’t think its a laughing matter when someone drinks themselves to death — which Fickett is clearly on the way to doing.
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You clearly didn’t even read what I said thoroughly before thinking about your response. I never suggested it was “a laughing matter when someone drinks themselves to death” and for you to insinuate that I did is shallow. I just expressed that I find humor in people with poor decision-making ability making poor decisions. Clearly Drew is ruining his life with stunts like this but it’s him that’s making these bad decisions, not the alcohol. So yes, it’s funny when somebody falls off a bar stool or shows up drunk to an MMA fight. We get it. You lost some buddies because they were drinkers. You’re butt-hurt because you lost some friends and who blames you? Alcoholism is terrible, it ruins lives – no one denies that.
my point of view is that Fickett shouldn't be allowed to fight
until he can prove he’s no longer drinking.
He’s a danger to himself and others and shouldn’t be anywhere near a cage.
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I really don’t buy in to the idea of alcoholism being a disease. An addiction, absolutely, but a disease? Not quite.
Is being addicted to heroin considered a disease? Or how about being hooked on methamphetamines? Is that a disease? I’m sure most in here would agree that they are not diseases, but bad life choices leading to addiction.
I myself have lost friends to drugs, two to crystal meth (suicides), and I recently lost my best friend to alcoholism (he hasn’t died yet, but he’ll be there soon, and I had to sever the relationship because of it), and I would not say that any of them suffered from a disease.
This is a problem with our society that we allow these people to function this way by giving them the “disease” excuse. This only allows them to continue on that way, because they can always fall back on the “disease defense”. They are no different than baseheads sucking dick for rocks, but do we say that crackheads have a disease? We don’t because our society has a no tolerance policy against hard drugs, and so we just call them crackheads.
I myself have been a cigarette smoker for a lot longer than I’d like to admit, but I’ll be damned if I we’re to say it’s a disease. I may get an ACTUAL disease (emphysema, lung cancer, etc.), just like a drunk may eventually get liver cancer or something similar, but we need to stop putting labels on things for the sake of comforting loved ones. We say our loved ones are afflicted by the disease of alcoholism so that we may cope easier with their lack of self-control/consideration for others, but we need to call it like it is : An addiction.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 28, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Rec'd.
Nice little quote in your signature, though it may be extremely misleading. :P
But it’s true. The suffering I’ve dealt with in my life has taught me way more about this world than any of the happy/easy times ever could, and for the better. In this world, unfortunate as it may be, we don’t often appreciate the good until we’ve experienced the bad.
And thank you for the Rec. I believe it’s my first. Awesome! But I don’t see it! Does it show up later?
And one last thing, Ahhhoki, why would you say it’s misleading? Not disagreeing, but would like to know why you feel that way. :)
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 28, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I suppose I made the mistake of misinterpreting exactly what you meant. To hear “path to enlightenment” and “suffering” kind of implies some sort of Buddhist (or similarly “enlightening” philosophy) value. So to me, as someone who studies Buddhism, I viewed your quote as kind of a play on words. In my [deluded] mind, I think of enlightenment as being already present in every individual, though the concept of enlightenment itself is empty of realistic meaning. Similarly, the concept of “suffering” is all around us, as one Noble Truth will tell us that Life is Suffering. And so “the path to enlightenment is through suffering” to me implies that to reach enlightenment, you have to traverse the suffering that is life. To experience suffering is to understand that suffering itself is a manifestation of our mind, not existence itself. Going through hard times puts things in perspective; “okay, we broke up, but was I really that happy with her anyway?” So by experiencing this suffering (I like to think “stress” is a better word but what do I know) as impermanent, fleeting, we realize the inherently positive things about our experience of the world.
by Ahhhoki on Jun 28, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would like to note that I am by no means qualified to give spiritual or philosophical instruction.
But you do a good job of it anyway. Rec’d back at ya. I think I agree with that interpretation. It’s funny, I got that quote from Greg Jackson in an episode of TapouT, and it really struck a chord with me. I have studied a reasonable portion of Christianity, along with bits of the Muslim faith, Buddhism, and various philosophers, but something in those words really hit home.
I guess it is just my way of coping with the world as it is, refusing to give in to the idea that, “oh well, the world’s fucked up, so I’ll be fucked up too”. I like the idea of my soul being forged in the fire and coming out harder, stronger, better. I like the idea that you don’t get something for nothing, and that things that are earned are always better than things that are given. That quote kinda summed it all up in one neat little package, so I rolled with it.
Faith, spirituality and philosophy is subjective in my mind though, so I guess a better way to put it would be : One path to enlightenment is through suffering.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 28, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys are jerking each other off
with a bunch of pseudo deep bullshit.
I don’t care about Fickett or excuse his self-destruction.
That doesn’t change the fact that letting him fight in his current condition is as irresponsible as letting someone with Hep C get in the cage.
Dude needs to dry out before he fights again.
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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Now there is a comment I can rec!!!!
you guys are jerking each other off
with a bunch of pseudo deep bullshit
Nice! this comment is definitely my flavor.
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What we’re discussing at this juncture has nothing to do with Drew Fickett or alcoholism, we simply went off on a tangent. For you to jump in with one of the more immature flames I’ve seen on this board is uncalled for.
the tangent
started with a misguided semantic argument about alcoholism that pisses me off. the realities of Fickett’s situation are pretty stark — he’s killing himself and could very well kill others if he drives drunk.
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Um, I don’t hate on alcoholics that don’t drive drunk nearly as much as those that do.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
but you're right
my reply was put in the wrong place. the comments immediately above are actually mostly ok. I’m just fucking sick of people acting like I’m excusing drunkenness by pointing out that it kills people.
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in sum
sorry for being a dick. but i’m touchy on this topic.
my wife prosecuted DWIs for years and I’ve lost people on both the innocent and not-so-innocent end of them.
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Listen, I don’t blame you for being emotional about this. I knew entering into this thread that it would be tense just because of the situations that alcohol creates. Maybe we feel differently about it’s status as a disease but really that’s irrelevant. You’re right, alcoholism sucks. I’m sorry if I offended you by saying anything contrary.
yes it is irrelevant
apology accepted.
I didn’t mean to wander into a swamp of semantic, self-righteous bullshit, I just wanted people to stop and think about the real human cost of Fickett’s behavior and addictions.
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I only jerk off by myself in private. Unless my girl wants to watch. And even then it makes me a bit uncomfortable. :P
Besides, what’s wrong with a little philosophy on the Elbow? One of the reasons I love this site is the diversity of conversations. I mean shit, we had a whole post dedicated to Michael Jackson the other day, and I thought it was great!
Philosophize with us Nate! ;)
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 28, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
that's cool man
I usually enjoy the philosophizing on BE — even if I’m usually laughing a little bit too.
This one was just on a sore subject for me.
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I feel ya,
My experiences are pretty recent too, so I’m also passionate about the subject.
One cool thing, is that when all is said and done, we both agree, alcoholism sucks, not just for the alcoholic, but for everyone around them and it’s a subject that needs to be taken seriously.
Having a chuckle at a lightweight who can’t handle his liquor taking a spill is one thing, but when watching a young man destroy himself before your eyes, it’s better to be reflective and somber. Afer all, life is full of crazy surprises I’ve noticed that Karma can be quite the motherfucker.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 28, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, that reply ended up so far down the list, I’m gonna look like a freakin weirdo!
For clarification, it was in response to Nate’s Rec’d comment. :s
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 28, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Nate, for Christ's sake
That doesn’t change the fact that letting him fight in his current condition is as irresponsible as letting someone with Hep C get in the cage
You can’t catch alcoholism through blood transfusion. They’re not on the same planet of irresponsibility.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
prolly true.
But a drunken fighter it just as much a threat to himself as a drugged one and shouldn’t be allowed to fight.
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Food for thought in the fight game
But a drunken fighter it just as much a threat to himself as a overweight/under-trained one and shouldn’t be allowed to fight.
I forgot to get to the point,
It’s misleading in the sense that suffering doesn’t really exist because it’s a manifestation of our ego and deluded way of experiencing what’s around us. Though it takes the experience of suffering to fully comprehend this.
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by plastict on Jun 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Most cases of diabetes could be controlled with will power and I don’t see anyone saying that isn’t a disease. Thousands of doctors recognize Alcoholism and addiction as disease. Your opinion is nothing to medical fact.
Medical “facts” are arbitrarily drawn up by a bunch of fallible individuals. Yeah, alcoholism is a condition. But it’s not a disease any more than an addiction to shopping or video games. It’s all in your head. Obviously people grow psychological dependencies towards anything, but to call it a “disease” is not only a euphemism, but to any doctor who calls it such, it’s nothing short of intellectual dishonesty. Or ignorance. One of the two.
by Ahhhoki on Jun 28, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
talking out of your ass
I’ll let doctors define diseases, thanks very much.
I suppose you’re the kind of new age jerkoff that doesn’t believe in vaccinating kids too?
Who thinks new age crystals are a “valid alternate treatment” for cancer.
spare me.
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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely not.
Though I do think the media hypes up the threat of disease but whatever.
for sure
the media is a cess pool of lies and bullshit.
And yes there is a cult of excuse making that is extolled on Oprah and Dr Phil and all that crap. That’s not where I’m coming from.
I’ve seen people in the dying wards of drunk tanks and if you’ve ever seen someone having convulsions from the DT’s you wouldn’t question that alcoholism is a disease. Its a fucking awful one.
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So are we going with doctors defining diseases, or you through your personal experiences?
The only difference between an alcoholic and a recovering alcoholic is that one drinks and the other doesn’t. So do they both have the same ‘disease’, but one decides to make better ‘choices’ than the other?
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
alcoholism is a terminal disease
if you accept it as a disease.
It can never be cured, only treated.
They call alcoholics who have stopped drinking “recovering alcoholics” because they’re still alcoholics.
Many’s the recovering alcoholic who’s enjoyed years, even decades of sobriety only to fall off the wagon and die from drinking.
Some never do relapse, but they’ll always be alkies, until they die.
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There exist alcoholics that don’t drink all the time – that leads me, logically, to a) have more respect for those alcoholics that don’t drink all the time and b) have less respect for those that do.
Right?
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
subo
people don’t even respect your commenting on BE.
don’t go there.
; )
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Yeah, but those people have problems.
Right?
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Doctors get paid to treat diseases though.
So we can’t say that they (some of ‘em) aren’t a bit biased. Also, it is only certain doctors’ opinions that alcoholism should be classified as a disease. My family Dr. scoffs at that idea. He also recommended medical marijuana for me when I broke my foot, in place of Ibuprofin, stating that prolonged usage of any NSAIDs (non steroidal anti inflammatory drugs) would be more harmful to me than a bowl of dank every now and again. My Dr. is a no nonsense, take no shit, call it like you see it knid of guy who seems to be more interested in my health than his prescription meds quota though, so that explains his take on it.
Health and medicine today is big business, and we need to remember that Drs. are people too, and can be tempted by the almighty $ like the rest of us. We’;ve all seen the commercials for drugs where the side effects are worse than the actual symptoms and Drs. continually peddle that shit like it’s candy.
All I’m saying is, Dr. or not, take whatever you hear with a grain of salt, and make your decisions based on what feels right to you.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 28, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
regardless
drinking the way Fickett is drinking will kill you or someone innocent who gets in your way.
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Completely agree. Fickett’s a dick for disrespecting his opponent, the promotion and the fans who paid to see a professional fight.
Something that I’ve always found disgusting (and would love to smack them motherfuckers) is the drunks who kill people in car crashes, only to walk away unharmed beacuase they we’re so fucked up that they ragdolled and survived.
R.I.P. Mask.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 28, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Drew Fickett showing up to a fight drunk and Drew Fickett driving drunk are VERY different things.
He did the first one – not the second.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
In the same way that ‘cheating on your taxes’ and ‘killing someone’ are both irresponsible actions with very real consequences. If I had to pick one for Drew to do, I’d prefer the former. Still sucks for his opponent and he should be suspended by the AC’s for fucking up, but he didn’t put anyone else’s life at risk.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless he took a fight in a state where MMA is unsanctioned, which is not beyond the realm of possibility. And at this point, he could kill someone (himself) in a fight were he to show up in such a condition.
Again, anyone else’s life at risk. Yet another reason for drug testing across the board at MMA events – I’m not saying he should’ve been allowed to fight, I’m saying he was the only one put in harm’s way.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he would’ve been putting his own life at risk. But not anyone else’s. When you show up to a fight drunk, the only person you’re putting in harm’s way is yourself – it’s another reason for across the board, categorical drug testing at all MMA events.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s not just the addiction it’s the predisposition towards it, I can drink all I want anytime I want for any reason I want and the next day I don’t have a physical and mental need to drink anymore, for an alcoholic it’s completely different they have no choice it’s a fight every single day just to not have another drink whether they drink often or not. That predisposition to the addiction can be considered a disease. Look if you start smoking crack your going to become addicted but not everyone who drinks a lot becomes an alcoholic.
Tim Sylvia getting KOed in 9s by Ray Mercer is sad.
This is tragic.
Keep firing Assholes!
Out out, you demons of stupidity!
by Ubernoober on Jun 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i have actually been affected by alcoholism
and i see the same things i was told when i was younger the same things i am seeing here. instead of everyone giving their stance on drug addiction, what is the possible solution?
i agree that fickett needs a heavy suspension, just like if he showed up high. i would like to get nick diaz’s opinion on this.
good luck in life!
he should be suspended
and if his management or anyone else cares about him driven to rehab for a detox so he can dry out without suffering permanent damage.
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ShannonRitch – Its True…
I showed up to fight, made weight- and waited for Drew.
Drew finally showed up, saw him with the DR. Pre fight physcial and YEP- he was a little waisted. Police were out front they gave Drew a breath- a- lizer- I believe I heard them say he blew a .18 (2X the legal limit.)
Its just Sad, I am a huge Drew Fickett fan, he is a great fighter, but obvisiously has a problem. He is in a dark time in his life. I hope he gets it together.
All I can say about RITC- Rage In The Cage is-
They did the right thing, They paid me in full and even tried to get another fighter to replace Drew, no lUCk.
JPET and ROLAND did all they could to get the fight to happen, even going as far as giving DREW time to sober up,
To no avail…he was just really DRUNK.?
My hat is off to RITC- They actually treated me with the ut most respect and My sponsers that came and bought 25 ringside 50.00 dollars seats, Roland said he would make it up to them on another show. I hope RITC will give me another opportunity to fight. Im sad for the fans that bought tickets- I had over 100 people there from my home town to watch me fight, Maybe next time.
I hope Drew gets his life back on track!
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Regardless of the above debate this is extremely unfortunate and as somebody else said, steps need to be taken in Drew’s professional life for him to realize the error of his ways. It’s become quite apparent he’s not willing to solve these problems on his own.
agree
the semantics of “disease” is just a bullshit rhetorical argument.
The fact is that Fickett is killing himself with booze and anyone who is encouraging him is a ghoul
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the people on sherdog, the UG and to a lesser extent here
who are egging him on.
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Well, it shouldn’t be condoned – it’s pretty much the same thing as failing a drug test.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
How old is Drew Fickett?
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 28, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions
Man, it’s a damn shame that a 30 year old man is having these kind of problems…My former best friend is the same age, and was having similar work related problems…Til they axed his ass.
I don’t know that there is much we can tell people like that, that they don’t already know. Transformations on that level usually, if not always, come from within. I hope he (and my buddy for that matter) can get their shit together. It’s a hard road to travel, but if they can get through it, they have the potential to be stronger men because of it. Here’s hoping.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 28, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions
And yes man, alcoholism, disease or addiction, fucking sucks. I grew up with an alcoholic stepfather, and it definitely scarred me. Not for life, but for a good long while.
It’s so fucked up because there’s not much we can do about it on a macro level, and it’s so time-intensive on a micro level. That and the fact that it’s condoned by so many influential people and entities.
“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy” – Benjamin Franklin
Just one more reason we need to revamp our educational system in America.
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 28, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions
ah plenty of people can handle booze no problem
and keep in mind there’s a huge gulf between relatively weak fermented drinks like beer and wine and distilled spirits. The difference between beer and hard liquor is almost as big as between the coca leaf and cocaine.
but there are people who just shouldn’t be drinking and anyone can get ensnared if they drink heavily enough long enough.
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I have agreed with everything you have said up until now.
In terms of alcohol, one beer = one glass of wine = one shot of spirit = one spirit & mixer.
I know quite a few alcoholics who only ever drink wine and/or beer. My aunty went to rehab for an addiction to champagne. The different alcohols affect people differently but i don’t see how beer and wine are any better than spirits? Doesn’t it all come down to the amount consumed?
Pretty much. A twelve ounce beer at 5% alcohol content (10 proof) hurts as much as one shot of 60% alcohol (120 proof).
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
true true
but you can drink natural light all day and function fairly well, if you drink vodka all day, you’re fucked.
I know a family of rednecks — all alkies — the vodka drunk was dead at 40, the ones who start drinking natty lite at 9am are still soldiering along.
Would they be better off without the natty lite? yes, but they’re not dead like the vodka drunk.
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Wow, reading all these comments sure makes my first comment sound really insensitive..
But to my defense, i was still in unserious-comedic-wargods mode cause of ultimatechaos and sexysassymmafansomething getting the most rec’s I’ve seen recently.. Hopefully no one takes my comment that seriously.
Yeah I know it’s a really lame excuse and it’s no laughing matter. It was insensitive of me and I apologize.
PS
A family member of mine used to be a drug addict and has spent more than a decade in rehab, then he became an alcoholic after being released, but recently, he seems to be in the right track and has stopped drinking. I don’t know if he has fully recovered (from alcohol, the effects that the drugs had on his brain are permanent) but hopefully he does okay..
Anyway, all I’m saying is I really know what some of you are going through and I know it isn’t anything to be laughed at.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 28, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You know at first when you read this article you just assume he fucked up by getting wasted before a fight, that doesn’t inspire compassion. Then funny pictures of a dude with a bottle trying to enter the ring pop out and that’s it, if your not familiar with any alcohol related tragedy (or drew’s issue for the matter) that is.
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