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Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: Joe Daddy Stevenson Puts a Wrestling Clinic on Nate Diaz

3663303360_8b5568808a_mediumFor those of us who picked Nate Diaz to beat Joe "Daddy" Stevenson at the TUF 9 Finale, it was pretty maddening to watch Joe Daddy turn most of the bout into a wrestling match. And if you've followed the brothers Diaz for any length of time you know that getting out-wrestled is how they lose fights.

Stevenson didn't just turn the majority of the match into a standard issue wrestling match, he put on a clinic.

Everyone watching the fight probably realized that something unusual was going on when they saw Nate Diaz in the awkward position on the right. My wife was laughing at how silly it looked. Those with some wrestling experience were spitting out their potato chips and screaming "spladle! spladle!"

Yes kids, that awkward position was no accident. Its a folkstyle wrestling move with a name: the spladle. It took Joe Daddy a long time -- well over a minute to get from the set up to the payoff of the move, but he did it and in so landed in a position where he had control and could do damage. Most importantly, the move took Nate Diaz completely out of his game. This is key for a fighter with a wrestling advantage going up a fighter with a guard as dangerous as Nate's.

The rest of the fight followed a similar pattern and I  sense the hand of Stevenson's new Yoda coach Greg Jackson in all this. Throughout the fight, Stevenson scored takedowns from the clinch by  executing beautiful rolls that went INTO Diaz' kimura attempts instead of trying to oppose Nate's weight and energy, he turned Diaz' own takedown defense against him.

As always, remember I have no training of any kind. I'm strictly going off of what I've picked up by watching fights, training videos and reading. Let's get nerdy with some animated gifs in the full entry.

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R1-setup_mediumOn the right we've got the setup. About 3:30 into the first round. Diaz was working for a single leg takedown on Stevenson's left leg. Rather than staying parallel with Diaz' body after sprawling, Stevenson basically gives up the leg and rotates so he's perpendicular with Diaz' body. Initially, he's got a double-under bodylock (meaning both arms are under Diaz' arms and he's locking his hands together around Nate's chest). Then he releases the hold and hooks Nate's left arm with his own left arm. He's got crucifix control. This leaves his right free to punch Diaz's unprotected head.

R1-roll_medium
The gif on the left is almost a minute later, Joe still has both of Nate's arms wrapped up but Nate has managed to get his butt way up in the air and is attempting to turn Joe Daddy's crucifix against him by grabbing Stevenson's right leg and driving for a takedown. Stevenson cleverly seizes the opportunity this presents to unhook Diaz' arm with his left leg and instead hook Diaz' right leg behind the knee. Welcome to the spladle Nate Diaz!

I could be wrong but something tells me that Nate Diaz hasn't spent a great deal of time defending against the spladle. Strategically, this is just great game-planning on Jackson and Stevenson's part. Play into Joe's wrestling advantage and attack Diaz with moves he's just not that familiar with. Sure its not a finishing move and Nate escaped fairly quickly, but its the definition of Octagon control. And its so much better to be threatening Diaz with exotic wrestling moves than defending against his arsenal of triangles, kimuras and throws.

Now we get to the rolls. In each round Stevenson and Diaz found themselves in a position common to Diaz' recent bouts with Josh Neer and Clay Guida, back to the fence, opponent driving for a single or double leg takedown. Even I noticed that in that situation Diaz tends to use his length to lean away from the takedown attempt and try to establish a kimura on his opponent's right arm.

R1-dbllegroll_mediumJackson and Stevenson clearly worked up a gameplan for this situation and it worked, not once, not twice but four times, once every round and twice in the third. Each time it gave Joe Daddy the definitive takedown he needed to establish top control and score points on the judges cards. Even better, Joe avoided landing in Diaz' dangerous guard.

There are some variations, in a couple of cases Stevenson was working a double leg, most of the time a single. But watching the gifs side by side its literally hard to tell them apart. Stevenson just kept scoring with the same move in the same situation over and over again. That's not just good game planning on Stevenson's team's part, its a failure to adjust on the part of Diaz and his corner.

This was a hard fought win over a very dangerous opponent for Stevenson and I'm glad to see him turn things around, he's clearly a UFC level fighter and has a place even in the murderous UFC 155lb division.

There was some confusion as to whether or not Stevenson was executing a "Granby Roll" but I'm pretty confident none of these rolls is a Granby. Mainly because a Granby starts out with the roller in an inferior position to the rollee -- usually the rollee has the roller's back.

As always those with actual expertise please jump into the comments and correct my many errors.

Gifs by Chris Nelson. Thanks Chris!

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Nate, you picked "Nick Diaz"

to beat Joe Daddy?

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Jun 26, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dammit

I knew I was going to do that. I checked and checked and then left it in the very first sentence!
thanks for keeping me honest.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 26, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol,

it’s all good man. I do it all of the time with those guys. Good writeup!

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by dnevil001 on Jun 26, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here's the 2nd round roll

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by Kid Nate on Jun 26, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the first 3rd round roll

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by Kid Nate on Jun 26, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the 2nd 3rd round roll

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by Kid Nate on Jun 26, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

by this time

Joe Daddy must’ve felt like he could do that move at all on Nate. Team Cesar Gracie needs to work on avoiding that.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 26, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at will

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by Kid Nate on Jun 26, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I picked Daddy to win this fight

over “Nate” mostly because I knew there was no way he would spend the entire fight on his feet like was the case for the most part against Sanchez. That, coupled with the fact that Daddy had absolutely no fear of Nate’s bitch-slapping striking game spelled easy money for me.

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by dnevil001 on Jun 26, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is one of my picks that made me feel vindicated in my ability to pick fights.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jun 26, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't forget

he used that same takedown (rolling into the kimura attempt instead of away from it) multiple times against NATE Diaz. Nate had no clue how to stop it. that was probably Joe Daddy’s best fight to date. thank god he abandoned the shitty kickboxing, at least for one fight.

by bobthewriter on Jun 26, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and that's what comes ...

from commenting without reading the whole post … y’know, where i skip the whole part where you pointed out exactly what i just said …

my bad.

by bobthewriter on Jun 26, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was the one screaming spladle. My coach told me to never do it or I would have to run sprints. He said it was a fishkiller move. Also a headlock. And a move that the name escapes me where you start in ref’s position and reach up under the opps with your back hand and lock to your other hand over the opps far shoulder and fold his fount up under his back to go for the pin.

by szucconi on Jun 26, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What’s a fishkiller move?

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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 26, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is a move that should only work vs new fish, guys that have not wrestled that long. If he saw you do one he would yell at you. Punishment = sprints or neck bridges on the wood floor for 6 mins a pop or buddy carries on the stairs. We were not a very skilled team, but we were the best conditioned. We ran more then the track team.

by szucconi on Jun 26, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which means that Nate Diaz is a “fish.” Perhaps he should do some buddy carries.

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by thetakeover on Jun 26, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he was getting punched and the fence helped a little I think. I wouldn’t call him a fish, but its not really a high % move.

by szucconi on Jun 26, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah…Fishkiller. Makes total sense now! Thanks for the clarification. ;)

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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 26, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, a fish is a guy that just flops around the mat…like a fish.

by Captain7 on Jun 27, 2009 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m glad someone finally mentioned the roll! Everytime Stevenson did it, I was waiting on Rogan to comment about it, but for some reason, it seemed like him and Goldberg were ignoring it, or just didn’t know what to say about it.

One of the coolest techniques I’ve seen recently, and something I would definitely like to add to my arsenal.

Great post!

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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 26, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wrote an entire article based on the fact that Nate would defeat Joe, but.. I did mention that fact that there was one way in which Stevenson could win… and he worked the PERFECT gameplan against Nate. Touche to Joe Stevenson.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 26, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn that first pic with the EA sports logo on the Mat i thought it was the new MMA video game haha

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by Pitbull on Jun 26, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nick’s wrestling didn’t lead to him losing. He went for subs which sadly is a negative under unified rules.

He stuffed all of Sherk’s takedowns and even took him down.

by gunranger on Jun 26, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how about vs Karo and Diego?

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by Kid Nate on Jun 26, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

those fights were full of transitions, so it’s a little unfair to say wrestling cost him the fight. Also he beat Karo.

by gunranger on Jun 26, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No he lost a decision to Karo

Karo won the fight.
And I will continue to say that it was Diaz’ inability to get or keep dominant position against Diego and Karo that cost him those fights. He didn’t get outstruck in those bouts and he didn’t get submitted, he got out-wrestled.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 26, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Diaz

and am a huge nut thugger (check my posts) but Kid Nate is correct.

by Riney on Jun 27, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And he didn't stuff all of Sherk's takedowns

He spent most of the fight being pressed up against the fence by Sherk but also spent a fair bit on his back. More time than Sherk did by far.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 26, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wish the commentators had been knowledgeable enough to point out that this was an actual technique.. all this time i thought the fighters had just rolled into a real awkward position… if i ever see this move again i can now be excited for the set up and the payoff

by pandaboy99 on Jun 26, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a granby roll

Its known in judo as a Yoko Otoshi or a Yoko Guruma—its a great counter to headlock-control Harai Goshi or other headlock throws. Never thought of using it against a Harai Makikomi (kimura/arm-wrapping throws like the diaz bros do).

Makikomi throws have HUGE weaknesses, like the opponent deciding to stick to your back (e.g. Guida) or reversing with sacrifice throws (Stevenson). Every time I saw the diaz guys do it I would scream at the tv.

by judonerd on Jun 26, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the Makikomi

are “fishkillers” — they work great against guys who don’t know what you’re doing.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 26, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

there you go.

by judonerd on Jun 26, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In all honesty, has anyone else heard or used the term “fishkiller” before? I think it might just be me and the region I live/wrestled in. Could be phishkiller too.

by szucconi on Jun 26, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, but “fish” is a part of the basic vocabulary.

by Captain7 on Jun 27, 2009 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understood the term fishkiller, I only had wrestling experience until the age of about 14 and thats not where I learned the term.
phishkiller would be a term describing how you beat someone who doesn’t wash.

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by MonkeyCHops on Jun 27, 2009 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i have a hard time seeing either Otoshi or Guruma

as perfect fits for what Joe Daddy was doing. Guruma has upper body grips, not attacking the legs and Otoshi is a leg trip.

I see the similarities but I don’t think they’re exactly the same move.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 26, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont watch the grips

watch the body movement (rolling forward over right shoulder) and watch joes left leg (blocking diaz’s right leg from stepping forward to keep his base)

by judonerd on Jun 26, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting similarities

and either is probably closer than a granby roll but I still don’t think its a perfect fit.
 But my all means, keep commenting! great stuff.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 26, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when i wrestled

we just called that finish a roll-through. easy-peasy japanese-y.

by dr. ransom on Jun 27, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From my experience

The Granby is only used when the opponent is on your back in what’s called “referees position” one of the neutral starting positions for folkstyle wrestling. It’s similar to the turtle position.

by Captain7 on Jun 27, 2009 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

neat

thanks!

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by Kid Nate on Jun 26, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as we’re posting sweet judo videos, I’ll use that as an excuse to post these: Best of Judo and a Highlight video of Toshihiko Koga

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by Rundownloser on Jun 26, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

EA sports logo

Completely unrelated, I didn’t notice the EA sports logo there before on the mat. I know the UFC has an exclusive deal with THQ for a bit, but I also know the UFC is pretty stringent with they allow advertise with them. Good to know UFC is keeping their door open with EA

by mo dogg on Jun 26, 2009 6:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i noticed that too

by JoLy on Jun 26, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daddy Vs The Carpenter?

Keep firing Assholes!

Out out, you demons of stupidity!

by Ubernoober on Jun 26, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I want Sherk vs Guida

both were on the edge of contention and had a big loss.
Joe Daddy has earned a tune up fight or two IMO.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 26, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sherk vs. Guida would be interesting. Fisher would be a good fight for Stevenson.

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by Richard Wade on Jun 27, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very informative article and an interesting read!

by ChillMike on Jun 26, 2009 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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