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Mixed Martial Arts Still Not the Major Leagues: Part 2

2651923_mediumSherdog.com's Jake Rossen replies to/follows up on my post about MMA and the UFC being compared to baseball (in terms of business health and attendance metrics) by suggesting the comparison is unhelpful and virtually meaningless:

Perspective is a seriously scarce commodity in this business, and Thomas’ zoom lens into the facts is appropriately responsible. But to take it a few clicks further: In measuring MMA to instituted sporting events in this country, you’re essentially stacking a cultural hobo against a high-society mascot in a three-piece suit. Baseball has been around for over 100 years, romanticized by millions of mitt-oiling fathers, appeared beautifully lit in movies and pounded into the public consciousness with regularity; MMA is, relatively speaking, still dripping snot from its nose.

That the two can be equitable on any level, no matter how much of MMA’s relative success may be circumstantial, is -- to my mind -- utterly beyond comprehension. We’re talking about two people hemorrhaging blood in a cage. Even stacked against a Washington Nationals game, that’s a tough sell. For a sport that’s been around for 15 years and socially tolerated for less than five, it’s a radical position to be in.

Truth is, I don't generally disagree. I wasn't the one who made the original comparison between the two. It's reasonable to suggest the differences between the size, age and cultural significance of the two sports makes most comparisons curious at best and meaningless at worst.

However, I don't think the act of comparing - provided it's done carefully - is necessarily out bounds in all circumstances. Even in metrics where baseball crushes what MMA can and does accomplish (say, merchandise sales), it's still a helpful reminder about MMA's position within the broader sporting community, where we are and what we need to do to advance. My initial issue with what Sievert wrote was that we often find members of the community - fans, pundits, and others - trying to cherry pick data that gives the appearance MMA's growth and development can be interpreted as having closed the popularity gap on other traditional mainstream sports. The reality is we have not. To quasi-gerrymander data and in the process give a false impression is disingenuous and unhelpful.

Better to know where we are to know where we need to go.

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I hope that MMA becomes popular again.

by Bandaka on Jun 26, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

A comparison against the NHL would have been better, given that even as recently as the late 80s, it was not a very popular sport worldwide. And still is probably the least popular “major” sport.

by DirtyML on Jun 26, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

That has been done and NHL crushes MMA.

by szucconi on Jun 26, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

A Frye vs Takayama breaks out more often than not at hockey games.

Keep firing Assholes!

Out out, you demons of stupidity!

by Ubernoober on Jun 26, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

For the 2007 college football bowl games, you know where LSU played Ohio State. Over 202 million people tuned into the bowls and 1.6 million people attended a bowl game that season (http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/tvratings). That was just college football’s bowl games, not including the amount of people who attend during the season.

A more apt comparison would be the total amount of people who tune in during the season. While there might not be many people at any one baseball game, the brand loyalty that even a mediocre baseball team has is incredible. Remember, there are 162 baseball games in a regular season. The UFC has 30 events in a year.

To better gauge the share of people UFC watchers to total sports watchers, you would need to sum all of the viewers in a year for the major MMA shows in North America (since the minor leagues don’t really count) and compare it to the total number of people who watched professional sports for a year. Then we would have the best gauge of where the UFC stands in regards to the other major sports. It would provide a nielsen-like sports rating.

by mhauer on Jun 26, 2009 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

It's hard to compare MMA to other sports because.....

…..other sports don’t host their championship on PPV. While I hope MMA continues to grow into the mainstream, it will be a while. Remember MMA is still a young sport and is still growing.

by 49er16 on Jun 26, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

MMA vs Boxing

Both are featured on cards with main events. Both take place in arenas and are sold as “Events”.
MMA vs Boxing in PPVs.
ZUFFA vs (insert big boxing promoter).
MMA live gates per show.
ZUFFA live gates per show.
Boxing live gates etc etc

by Riney on Jun 26, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I know that it’s fun, for lack of a better term, to compare MMA to other sports via metrics of all kinds, but the truth is that the comparisons usually lacks any real importance. Boxing and MMA are closer to similar in terms of scale and nature than say MMA and football or baseball and auto racing. The inherent differences are so great between MMA and other popular sports that “cherry picking” is almost inevitable for anyone trying to make a point with comparisons. It’s boring, but it’s much more instructive to compare MMA to MMA (i.e. growth in PPV buys, TV ratings, live gates, internet traffic). I’ve use the acronym “MMA” far too many times in this short comment. Goodbye.

by Cannon Jacques on Jun 26, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Quasi-gerrymander is going in the next report I do. Some how, some way.

by -Sam on Jun 27, 2009 6:10 AM EDT reply actions  

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