UFC 103 Getting A Lot Better: Franklin/Liddell, Swick/Hughes, Velasquez/Carwin All Rumored
Recent comments (and fanposts on this site) have suggested that UFC 103, which is currently expected to take place in Dallas, Texas on September 19th, is lacking star power. With rumored bouts including Frank Trigg vs. Josh Koscheck, Tyson Griffin vs. Hermes Franca, and Efrain Escudero vs. Cole Miller, some have argued that the card is worthy of being televised for free on Spike TV.
Obviously, with the event three months away, and the card far from complete, it's a bit silly to make such proclamations, and according to a new report from InsideFights.com, the UFC 103 card is getting a hell of a lot better:
Just a disclaimer before I get to the good stuff: InsideFights is a new source for me, but after doing a fair amount of research, the site seems to be fairly legit, and they don't appear to be reaching to make wild rumors sound more legit (cough...MMABay...cough).

A heavyweight contenders fight between prospects Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez could serve as the co-main event for UFC 103 on September 19th in Dallas, sources have told Inside Fights.
The bout, which has not been agreed to, could potentially serve as the co-main event alongside a welterweight bout between Texas native Mike Swick and future UFC Hall of Famer Matt Hughes. The heavyweight fight would elevate either Carwin or Velasquez into instant contendership for the heavyweight title, and a win by Swick would make him the number one contender to Georges St. Pierre’s welterweight championship.
Another fight that has been discussed internally is Chuck Liddell facing Rich Franklin. Dana White has seemingly accepted the idea that Chuck is going to want another fight, and he would much rather have Liddell inside the UFC cage than to have him go and be a huge drawing card for Strikeforce or Affliction.

Just a bit of an update: when contacted by FiveOuncesofPain for an interview today, Shane Carwin mentioned that he had heard nothing from the UFC about a Velasquez fight, but as we saw with Todd Duffee finding out about his UFC 99 fight being canceled by reading internet forums, it seems that the UFC often isn't quick to fill in fighters on the company's internal matchmaking discussions.

Hughes, Liddell, and Franklin are three of the biggest draws the UFC has ever had, and to have them all on the same card would be absolutely huge for the UFC in terms of pay-per-view buys. When you add in Carwin and Velasquez, who are arguably the future of the UFC heavyweight division, and Swick, who could be the future of the welterweight division if he continues on his winning ways, UFC 103 has all the makings of a blockbuster card.
It should be noted also that Hughes was already rumored for this card as a possible opponent for Josh Koscheck, who's now expected to fight the returning Frank Trigg, so it's not at all surprising to see Hughes's name pop up again. Swick hails from Houston and would be a natural fit for a Texas event.
The Liddell issue is intriguing as well, since after all the talk about Dana forcing Chuck to retire following the Shogun loss, it doesn't really seem like anything definitive has come out of the situation. Furthermore, on the "Inside the Octagon" segment that aired during the TUF 9 Finale, Dana almost seem resigned to the fact that he was going to eventually have to let Chuck have one more fight. Franklin would be a phenomenal retirement fight for Liddell; a win for Rich would establish him as a true force at 205, while a win for Chuck would cement his legacy, and allow him to retire on a high note.
As always, we'll wait to see which, if any of these rumors pan out. But I for one as fan, am crossing my fingers that they all end up on the UFC 103 card.
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Personally, I think a contender match between Cain and Carwin would be a big mistake for the UFC. It assures that one of the future stars of the division come out with a loss. Keeping them apart I think is key to allowing both of them to make waves and keep both of them looking strong as contenders and allowing them to get shots at separate dates. I’m not sure if Franklin is the fight for Liddell either. While I would be really excited for the fight I just think that Franklin has too much technique and is too technically strong of a striker for Liddell to take advantage of. I could actually see a fight between the two future hall of famers playing out like the Franklin v Wanderlei fight just did with Franklin simply doing just enough to pull out a decision.
by Chadsac on Jun 23, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree. Carwin should fight Herring in Texas if anyone. Cain, Carwin, and Dos Santos have no business fighting each other yet
by Flyghtt on Jun 23, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my frustration with the Maia v Nate match
It seems to devalue one of the fighters who could be a strong challenger for the MW title in a division that is looking weak on challengers.
by Razreshat on Jun 24, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that match makes sense in that neither is a real marketable fight for Silva. Maia may be 10x the BJJ expert that Leites was, but because that fight was so terrible, Maia was not the right guy for the next defense. Nate had already lost to Silva, so its hard to sell that as well.
Obviously folks around here know the difference between Leites and Maia, and know that Marquardt has improved by leaps and bounds since his loss to Silva. Still, the casual fans outnumber the informed ones.
by Stanlee on Jun 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep. good point stan lee..
im glad you take time from doing comics to watch mma. :P
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 24, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do like the idea of Swick v Hughes though :)
by Chadsac on Jun 23, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Swick would take Hughes Faceoff like Nicholas Cage
I don’t see Velasquez/Carwin happening either…not now…also if Franklin were to beat Liddell it wouldn’t really mean much considering how badly Liddell has looked in the last year and a half…but i would watch that one.
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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 24, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't kid yourself..
you’d watch any fight that the UFC puts on. :)
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 24, 2009 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swick vs Hughes sucks. What if Hughes wins? If he got another title shot he would probably get owned again by either Alves or GSP. There aren’t a whole lot of contenders in the ww division, so why muck up Swick, who has a bit of momentum, when Hughes has pretty much nothing to gain anyway?
by StevenGiles on Jun 24, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see that as this:
Swick wins and is about next in line for a title shot. Swick loses and he wasn’t as ready as people think.
Hughes wins and he is back in contention (to get destroyed). Hughes loses and he is probably done.
Personally, I think Swicks speed and accuracy take Hughes apart. Hughes git by on strength for a long time and frankly, he isn’t stronger than a lot of the WWs anymore.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jun 24, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think that any are as physically stong as hughes but many of them have better functional strengh.
by Riley_96 on Jun 24, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don’t think guys like Alves and GSP are as strong or stonger than Hughes? I would be shocked if some of the “big” WWs weren’t.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jun 24, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think there’s any WW stronger than Alves, that guy is a fucking beast.
Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot
by ufc4 on Jun 24, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there is no chance the other guy will win what is the sense of having the fight to start with? Hughes vs Swick would be to see if they could make a contender out of Swick, it doesn’t have to mean anything to Matt Hughes beyond just another fight. Matt Hughes isn’t going to get a fourth shot at GSP any time soon regardless of how many Swick’s he beats. If Mike Swick wants to become a title contender he’s going to have to win the tough fights against the big name opponents (that’s how Alves got his shot).
by who me on Jun 24, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it is but I think if there is going to be another Chuck fight, Dana White is looking at the list of fighters with the mindset “which guy doesn’t have the power to knock him out”.
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by SamCupitt on Jun 24, 2009 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, they dont want Liddell knocked out. too bad bisping left LHW.
by Stanlee on Jun 24, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
certainly, but is Chuck going to drop to 185 where Wandy is now?
The Chuck/Rich fight makes more sense and is almost as appealing.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jun 24, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree .. chuck/rich is a good pairing.
by kick on Jun 24, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t buy any of these rumors.
I could see Chuck returning maybe, but not yet. And not against Rich.
I also don’t think Hughes will want to fight Swick.
by Michael Rome on Jun 24, 2009 3:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i don’t see chuck returning to fight rich as well.. The only top guy that i see him possibly fighting is maybe against forrest.
hughes should just wait for the winner of kos vs trigg.. or maybe just wait for trigg. win or lose..
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 24, 2009 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
although if you ask me, i’d want to see chuck vs nog, or wand..
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 24, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have they even got Matt Hughes re-signed yet, his fight with Serra was the end of his contract.
by who me on Jun 24, 2009 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hughes said he would never fight elsewhere and Dana wants to keep him, so it is just a matter of putting it together. No big hurry.
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jun 24, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I find it hard to believe that Dana would matchup Chuck with Rich, he’s gonna give him a fight that he’s gonna win, Rich Franklin is a terrible matchup for him.
by Chadsac on Jun 24, 2009 3:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he’s gonna give him a fight that he’s gonna win
Wonder what Elvis Sinosic is up to? :D
Honestly at this point if Chuck does fight then it would undoubtably be billed as his last, they might as well give Chuck whomever he wants to go out fighting. He could go out with a bang and do Chuck vs Wand 2.
by who me on Jun 24, 2009 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or he could beat up Tito again if they resign him.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 24, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because watching Tito get KO’d is fun?
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by Richard Wade on Jun 24, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well yea but it would be more fun seeing him get KO’d by up and coming guys and see Chuck go out fighting Wanderlei
by who me on Jun 24, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bout, which has not been agreed to, could potentially serve as the co-main event alongside a welterweight bout between Texas native Mike Swick and future UFC Hall of Famer Matt Hughes.
i’d hold off all excitement before at least one of them agrees to the fight..
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 24, 2009 3:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think an interesting fight for chuck would be Brandon Vera. It has an interesting angle to use to hype the fight. Vera was calling out Chuck back when Chuck was a champion now Vera needs a fight that would push him into the elite level of fighters. A win over Liddell would instantly put hiim in the title picture (seems like it does it for every one else). If Vera can get out of his next fight without little damage it would be an interesting match up.
by Riley_96 on Jun 24, 2009 8:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'd want to see that cause i think Vera wins it..
(although, that’s also the reason why i think the UFC wont do it.)
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 24, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree fully, It would be that big level fight that could really vault Vera to a main eventer. Im sure some people still have that Timmah fight burned into their heads. IMO Vera can very well make a run for the title. He has the skills
by Riley_96 on Jun 24, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep.
after he beats Hamill he should get more confidence, more acclimated to the weight, and more high profile fights.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 24, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he can go shoot some flying pigs while he’s at it.
by subo on Jun 24, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
There is no such thing as flying pigs. Jeez!!
If you're not submitting, you're just rolling around with another guy.
by BJJDenver on Jun 24, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Hamill fights (technical)strikers he tends to keep the fight a stand-up match and not shoot for many takedowns. If he does that to Vera then he’s gonna end up with worse then a liver shot. Vera is also a collegiate level wrestler, so Hamills wrestling advantage won’t be by much
by ThaSandman on Jun 25, 2009 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vera was a collegiate wrestler for a year or so before he dropped out, Matt Hamill was a three-time NCAA Division III National Champion in wrestling, there is a bit of difference there. One guy was on the wrestling team and the other was one of the best in the nation at it. I do agree that Hamill tends to stand and bang with strikers but that doesn’t mean that you should discount the difference in wrestling experience and skill here.
by who me on Jun 25, 2009 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Since we are on the rumor destruction train, no I am not fighting on UFC 103," said Carwin. "I have not heard from the UFC for some time now. I am without my training partners and coaches as they are on a "camping trip", and again, I have not heard anything about fighting anyone yet."
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 24, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup
already mentioned that in the post
by Scott Haber on Jun 24, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, as soon as i posted it i noticed that it was already mentioned.
haha. sorry bout that.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 24, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
would Cain or Franklin really be ready to get another full camp in for this card?
Why would you give Franklin, Chuck Liddell and vise versa?
Hughes vs. Swick makes sense from the standpoint of Mike Swick, but would Matt Hughes accept a fight like that?
by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 24, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
These are terrible matchups...
They only have one happy ending.
Carwin vs. Velasquez is about the only matchup I can see as legitimately good for the division. But I feel like both of them are being thrust into the spotlight with big flaws in their game still.
Swick vs. Hughes? If Hughes wins, then what?
Liddell vs. Franklin? What if Liddell somehow wins? It’s like the UFC is setting themselves up for disaster.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 24, 2009 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don't see the point in franklin/liddell...
… other than rich’s supposed lack of knockout power someone else mentioned.
i hope they finally decide to stop bouncing franklin around. he beat silva, and hung in with henderson. i think he could make a decent run at the title if they make him a permanent fixture in the division.
as for chuck… who knows what they should do with him. i’d almost like to see him start from the bottom and work up. sort of a “we’ll let you keep fighting until you lose again” situation. promote a sense of urgency to his career that his fans can feed off of.
by woooburn on Jun 24, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only point about Ace/Iceman is money.
That is all its about. Getting Chuck paid, off of a million buy PPV. If he loses hes old, if he wins he gets to fight Wandy again.
Ace wins he legit at 205, if he loses he need another tune up fight to get ready for LHW.
It’s all about MONEY MONEY MONEY. There are not too many paydays left in Chucks jaw. Need to make em count now.
by Riney on Jun 24, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chuck is already filthy rich he doesn’t need another payday, all of these rumors sound like a bunch of hardcore fans wet dreams and not actual figths that they UFC is planning to have at 103 but we’ll see how things play out.
by Raker on Jun 24, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Swick vs Hughes fight actually sounds like something the UFC would do.
by who me on Jun 24, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swick also specifically mentioned Hughes
as someone he would want to fight next in his post-UFC 99 interviews.
by Scott Haber on Jun 24, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about that, he might of had an idea this was possible or he might of just been cheerleading himself to a main event level fight, either way I could see Hughes vs Swick headlining this show. It wouldn’t be a huge main event but it would get some interest, it would probably take Chuck to get this show to a big event level but then not every PPV has to do huge business and lord knows the shows around it are pretty stacked.
by who me on Jun 24, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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