TM: You've seen a lot of good judging and a lot of bad judging over the years, and a lot of good refereeing and bad refereeing. What's your natural reaction when you see a judging or refereeing decision you disagree with? Is it pretty much what we get on the air, or do you try to temper it a little bit because you don't want to pile on?
Joe Rogan: The problem with the referees when we go to a place like Nashville is we have to use local referees and a lot of these guys just aren't prepared for the big show. They're not good enough, and they're nervous and some are real trigger happy. They want to step in and stop the action or tell the guys what to do. They make mistakes and don't know what to do. Then you get guys like Herb Dean, who's the best in the business and he knows what he's doing. As far as scoring, we have a 10-point must system that works for boxing when you have one attack, with hands. But when you have to evaluate punches vs. takedowns or knees vs. elbows you have to figure out some way to quantify attacking, effective aggressiveness, defense, how you score things. I think we need to come up with our own system. I think MMA needs something more. If we're going to use a 10-point must system, we need to be clear on what counts for what. It's frustrating when one guy is beating the other in the standup but the other guy takes him down and does nothing. The judges will sometimes give it to the guy who scored the takedown, but I think you've got to give it to the guy who's beating him up. And it's so subjective. You have two judges who see the same fight and have different reasons for scoring it different ways. If it's close like Caol Uno-Spencer Fisher, I don't say anything. I could see how someone would see Fisher won or Uno won. If something is ridiculous, I'll speak out on it. Especially when we had boxing judges. I remember Darby Shirley did some judging for UFC and his scores were (expletive) wacky. It has to be pretty bad. I think it all goes back to the scoring and we need to revamp that.
TM: What do you think about implementing some ideas from Pride, like scoring the fight in its entirety or rewarding effort to finish the fight?
JR: That's a real interesting question there. There's something to be said for that system. Do you remember the Brad Blackburn-Ryo Chonan fight?
TM: No, I'm blanking on the specifics of that one.
JR: OK, well Blackburn was winning the first two rounds. But Chonan hung in there and was kicking his (butt) in the third. Chonan lost the decision but won the fight. Blackburn won the decision but lost the fight. The last five minutes were Ryo Chonan beating the (expletive) out of Blackburn. Basically Blackburn survived. If you looked at the way the fight was going, you'd think Blackburn would get stopped if the fight continued. It's interesting. I kind of like the way Pride treats it as a whole and scores for the guy trying to finish the fight.
UFC announcer Joe Rogan talks to Todd Martin at CBS Sports.