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The thin red line: Play-by-Play vs Color



What I think a lot of people seem to forget is the fact about the noble art of commentating is the importance of silence.

Commentating is supposed to explain simple, yet fairly obvious, things such as X has the ball and passes to Y or Fighter A kicks Fighter B in the head. This might seem like a simple task, but lo and behold, a lot of commentators fail in this area. I would like to make a list of areas in which they may fail...

For the Play-by-Play:

Timing:

Usually cause they talk to much about other things than what`s happening NOW! It`s all about timing. In other words, say something now, or be forever silent. I do not want to hear "20 seconds ago Ronaldo passed the ball to Berbatov I waited a while and checked the replay to be sure." and in the meantime see the oppposing team score. Same thing with fights. It`s now or never.

Choice of words:

This is simple. If you`re p-b-p, use as few and as short ones as possible. Grammar? I don`t care. Using the right words?? Don`t care. Four syllables or more? Please don`t!

Emotions:

I`d much rather hear someone scream "What a SHOT!" or "And he SCOOOOOOORES!!" Thus reflecting the emotions in the moment,  than hearing "bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.....", while I`m jumping up and down like a madman trying to celebrate.


A p-b-p is suppose to enhance the feel of the fight or the game. I want him (or her) to make me more enthused or enraged. I watch sports because I care about what`s happening. Ever tried watching a fight without sound? Not as exciting, is it? Is that because you don´t understand what`s happening??? Or is is something else?

Voice:

This is an often overlooked part of commentating. I would compare tone-of-voice to smell. You just "like" or "dislike". Some most agree on, with other`s it varies. If you don´t like the voice your hearing, chances are that you won`t like what it has to say. I like Goldberg`s voice, I like Randy Couture`s voice, I like Forrest Griffin`s voice. I tolerate Kenny Florian`s voice and I tolerate `Dan Henderson´s voice. BJ Penn`s makes my skin crawl and Mauro Ranallo`s make me wanna punch something. I can`t explain it. I.. just.. don`t .. like.. the .. sound.

Color-commentator

A bit different demands on this one. 

Timing:

Wait. Wait. Wait. Choose your moments with care. Don`t talk all the time! ( I can see you Jens Pulver!!)

What to say (wording):

Explain what just happened, or even better, make me see something that MAY be about to happen. The further into the future the better. I can see that he may throw elbows, but what I may not see is when he`s baiting someone to pass his guard in order to get a triangle.


Emotions:

Don`t get all analytical in an emotional moment. If I see a great knock-out or a super-submission, please don`t choose that exact moment to tell me that he dropped his right hand or that he should`t have gone to the ground in the first place. Wait until I`m emotionally ready for it.

 

And last, but not least... for both Color and Play-by-Play...

 

BALANCE AND HARMONY!

I cannot stress this enough. If you have  a p-b-p that talks a lot, the other one has to be quiet, and vice versa. The P-b-P should be loud and semi-stupid, the Color must be at least as clever as yourself. And they have to LIKE eachother. There`s nothing more painful than to listen to a pair of commentators that don`t like or respect eachother.

 

And now to my point. NEITHER Goldberg or Rogan is perfect, but they are a very enjoyable team. I`m not to fond of Rogan (Say "Gun`s blazing" or "He`s a machine!" one more time and I´ll..) as color, but he`ll do. As a pair though? None is better!

 

So here was the P-b-P, fell free to Color me Badd.

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This is a well-constructed post but on most points I find myself disagreeing. My least favorite part about MMA commentary (and similarly, football, hockey, baseball..) is the emotion. Guys like Mauro bring this Pro Wrestling feel to what should, in my mind, be a dignified martial arts match. I really respect the quiet and the applause that Japanese audiences give their fighters (most of the time), especially in contrast to drunken red-necked meat heads who boo at EVERY UFC EVENT when someone isn’t getting mauled.

 But you have guys like Ranallo – and Goldberg to a less outrageous extent – out there screaming “OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD! KEVIN RANDLEMAN!!! KEVIN RANDLEMAN HAS KNOCKED OUT MIRKO CRO COP! OH MY GOD!” That shit is just petty and childish.

Yeah, it’s an emotional moment, but having a reaction like that ON AIR in front of millions of (eventual) viewers just tarnishes the appearance of the sport in my opinion. Pro Wrestling is a spectacle; a soap opera for (mostly) men of average IQ. And to have some guys carry their over-enthusiasm and melodrama to what should be a respected sporting event makes me kind of sick.

But it’s probably a difference of opinion. I’d rather MMA commentary was more slow-paced and analytical with a touch of humor and an abundance of informative chatter. I think guys like Rogan and Bas are amazing, but that’s because the status quo requires two guys, one to be the pro wrestling background over-actor and one to be the level-headed, intelligent, martial arts based comments.

by Ahhhoki on Jun 22, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

You market your commentary to your target audience. That’s why Japanese commentary to Japanese fans is different than US commentary to US fans, there are different expectations from different audiences. That said, I agree that Mauro Ranallo is annoying when he goes over the top trying to sell the action.

by who me on Jun 22, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Definitely true. I guess despite being an American I find myself on the Japanese side of the fence. Which is strange I suppose, considering that I don’t really care for the other aspects of Japanese MMA.

by Ahhhoki on Jun 22, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m the opposite I enjoy all sorts of things from the Asian culture and have even traveled a bit in that area but I can’t get into the way the Japanese fans just sit there and quietly watch(even if it’s a pro wrestling exploding barbwire death match they do the same thing). I guess I am just used to showing my support vocally during events.

by who me on Jun 22, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ever been to a soccer-game in England or even in Sweden? Very nice volume-wise!

"Marcus Davis is a plastic paddy"-Dan Hardy

by BlueberryMuffin on Jun 22, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kinda agree with you. Emotion should be kept in check… In Swedish we have a word for it “Lagom”, which actually doesn`t really translate into english. It means something like: Not too much, not too little… but just right (and no, “perfect” is not the same as that).

Mauro Ranallo is (to me) an abonimation. He`s rantings are not justified.

I do think the PbP should add some emotion though. On the other hand, I don`t really think the color-commentator should be emotional. (Don`t like Bas). I actually prefer the side-kick to be referred to as “expert”-commentator. He´s the one that should be cool and analytical. Kenny Florian is my best example of that.

"They called him the axe-murderer because he was murdering chumps. They should have been calling him the chump-murderer..." Rampage Jackson (commentating on the fighting abilities of Wanderlei "F#ck Chuck" Silva.)

by BlueberryMuffin on Jun 22, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Florian/Rogan sounds good on paper, but then who will shill Saw VIII? You need a spokesman for that kind of shit, and that’s Goldie’s job.

by Derek Suboticki on Jun 22, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be hilarious

The producer will be yelling into Rogan’s ear and he’ll probably drop an f-bomb on the air, livid, pissed off he has to deal with that.

Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.

by SSreporters on Jun 22, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wouldn`t replace Goldie, I would replace Rogan (if I`d replace any of em, which I wouldn`t). I could see a trio commentating, with Goldie doing pbp, rogan commenting on shots to the balls and crackhead-control, and finally Florian doing some in-depth ananlysis.

"They called him the axe-murderer because he was murdering chumps. They should have been calling him the chump-murderer..." Rampage Jackson (commentating on the fighting abilities of Wanderlei "F#ck Chuck" Silva.)

by BlueberryMuffin on Jun 22, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly

Like Monday Night Football, you don’t need 3 guys commentating on the same thing. That’s too many cooks spoiling the stew. I’m fine with a competent pbp announcer who doesn’t dish out random stats like saying “Machida connects on 84% of his leg kicks” and calls a good fight…..and a knowledgeable guy as an analyst who has an MMA background of some sort.

Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.

by SSreporters on Jun 22, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

what you “need” and what could work are different things. While I agree with you in general, three is not always a crowd.

"Marcus Davis is a plastic paddy"-Dan Hardy

by BlueberryMuffin on Jun 22, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite for the UFC was when they had Randy doing expert commentary on some events. With the right grouping the three man booth does work well, although it’s not a given that three is better than two.

by who me on Jun 22, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Randy is perfect for a three-man-crew. Quiet and soft-spoken.

"Marcus Davis is a plastic paddy"-Dan Hardy

by BlueberryMuffin on Jun 22, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sometimes I love Bas’s commentary and sometimes I wonder if he’s drunk/gone crazy on the mike. When he’s on he’s on but when he has a off night it’s a disaster.

by who me on Jun 22, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s when he’s drunk that he’s at his best – the end of those PRIDE events. During the CC/Randleman call, he’s pretty much just cracking up at Mauro (which, I think, adds to the charm of the call)

by Derek Suboticki on Jun 22, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problem with Bas is that it seems like sometimes he acts out the action-figure-cartoon Bas and just says whats expected of him. If you say liver-kick, you better mean it!

"Marcus Davis is a plastic paddy"-Dan Hardy

by BlueberryMuffin on Jun 22, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is “happy medium” a decent enough translation for “Lagom”? My friend from Sweden said that it wasn’t a bad one.

Also, when I asked him what it meant, he explained it as you did, almost to the syllable.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jun 22, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Happy medium” you say? Well… `Closest translation I`ve heard so far I would say.

"Marcus Davis is a plastic paddy"-Dan Hardy

by BlueberryMuffin on Jun 23, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Blasphemy

The CC/Randleman call might be the best call in MMA history – our version of ‘The Giants win the pennant!’ until something better comes along. I like my announcers having the same reaction I have at the bar in the event of an Evans/Liddell (ie, verbal pants shitting)

by Derek Suboticki on Jun 22, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ìt`s just that I don`t really like Ranallo that much… Something with his voice that makes me itch.

"They called him the axe-murderer because he was murdering chumps. They should have been calling him the chump-murderer..." Rampage Jackson (commentating on the fighting abilities of Wanderlei "F#ck Chuck" Silva.)

by BlueberryMuffin on Jun 22, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel the same way about Gus. No need to defend it.

by Derek Suboticki on Jun 22, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knew you would understand. Read your argument with Mr Fagan. I think he was a bit frustrated though.

"Marcus Davis is a plastic paddy"-Dan Hardy

by BlueberryMuffin on Jun 22, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not the first time someone has been frustrated with me.

by Derek Suboticki on Jun 22, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

In real life

or just on Bloody Elbow? Just curious is all. J/K man.

by Riney on Jun 22, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad we can agree on something commentary related!

Cro Cop/Randleman is definitely one of the better and more memorable calls in MMA history.

http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com

by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

“ROCKY!!!!!!!!!!” obviously

I don’t know, actually. There haven’t been too many great calls. Mauro’s call sticks out. Rogan with the “That guy is my hero,” though I think that’s pretty cheesy. I thought the “Ladies and gentleman, welcome to the Machida era,” was pretty poignant.

Randy’s line about “Rich is in trouble here,” always sticks out when I watch or think about that fight.

Mauro’s call of the Randleplex is great too.

This is one of the biggest problems with Goldberg. When you have a catch phrase that you bust out after EVERY finish, the probability that you bust out some extremely fitting and poetic line drops down towards nil.

Anyway, I’m sure I’m missing a bunch of obvious ones.

http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com

by Mike Fagan on Jun 23, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a soft spot for Joe losing his mind during GSP/Serra I. ‘He hurt him again, he hurt him again!’

by Derek Suboticki on Jun 23, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I loved Joe’s “Evan Tanner is a WARRIOR!” when Tanner reversed position on Terrell, just before pounding him out.

"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."

by AJB on Jun 23, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

The “that guy is my hero” line was excellent.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Jun 23, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was partially memorable because of Mauro’s awful voice. Can’t stand that guy.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Jun 23, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couple of things about the OP and some of the comments:

1) MMA, and sporting events in general can definitely be classified as “spectacle.” It’s why we watch. Even if you disagree, there’s examples of Jim Ross-style yelling during traditional sports. See: Johnson, Gus. I enjoy it, others don’t.

2) People always want to talk about the “chemistry” between Joe and Mike, and I just don’t see it. There’s so many awkward interactions between the two of them, especially if Mike says something that Joe has to politely brush aside. Regardless, is it impossible for Mike and/or Joe to work well with others? And is it impossible to find a pair of guys better at each aspect of commentary who also work well together?

3) I like the idea of a three man booth with a PBP guy plus a grappling and striking “expert.” If you can get a guy with tremendous knowledge of both, great.

http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com

by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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