TUF 9 Finale Musings (and Mike Goldberg Sucks)
by SSreporters on Jun 21, 2009 8:33 PM EDT
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If you were not entertained by the absolute awesomeness of the Sanchez/Guida fight then you're crazy. I watched every bout sans Diaz/Stevenson as I was doing something else. Definitely worth staying up late for. Here are some disorganized and random thoughts in bullet-point form. Oh yeah, and Mike Goldberg sucks and I have to list my complaints.
- Andre Winner losing against Ross Pearson was hilarious. Just the irony of having that last name makes me chuckle. But Winner waits far too long to attack Pearson and basically threw the fight away in round 3 by taking some wicked shots towards the final horn. Winner may have had Pearson against the cage but he failed to land the more effective punches and knees in the clinch.
- Chris Lytle is in the wrong era. He'd be a champion during the mid-90s with his throw-and-hope mentality. It's sure as heck fun to watch though. I thought to myself that Kevin Burns would beat up Lytle and end it in round 1. He had him hurt, no question. Instead Burns showed that he had no gas from the 2nd round onwards.
- Speaking of Burns, that was a nasty cut opened up.
- Mike Goldberg, please tell me you did not say "It appears to be above the left eye". You are a few feet from the ring and you couldn't make a definitive statement? We'll continue with that later though.
- James Wilks was probably going to try 15 different submissions on DeMarques Johnson had he not finished him with the guillotine. He dominated from start to finish and got a deserved stoppage. Johnson did not deserve to even see the 2nd round with the way he was whipped on the ground.
- You mean to tell me UFC Undisputed could not properly model Herb Dean? I saw him ref last night and in the video game Dean looks like he stopped eating for 2 months.
- Clay Guida fights must no longer be 3 rounds. All fights involving Guida must be 5, even 7 rounds long because he's never boring. The fact that Diego Sanchez's head kick didn't knock him out cold coupled with his jumping up and down post-fight tells me he is not human. We must cherish every moment that Guida is in UFC. As pointed in another fanpost, he has the heart of a champion.
- Anyone else notice that just about every like Spike TV card has a lot of fights go the distance? Outside of UFC 95 I can't remember a time where Spike didn't have knockouts galore for the main cards.
- I'm not going to lie to you, as soon as I saw Mazzagatti reffing the Wilks/Johnson fight I assumed one of these men would not get out of the ring alive.
- Overall a great fight card on free TV and I enjoyed every fight I watched.
Mike Goldberg Sucks (but you already knew that)
How does anyone stomach this man's commentary? Last night's atrocity was the final straw for me. I think his microphone...headset...whatever he uses should be ripped away and Joe Rogan should do blow-by-blow. The analyst can be Randy Couture or something but Goldberg has to go. Even more random thoughts and observations on "the voice of the UFC".
- The aforementioned Kevin Burns cut. You're being paid to make simple observations and you say Burns "appeared to have it above his left eye"? We're at home watching on TV and we can tell since that was a gigantic cut, and you're guessing when you have the luxury of a monitor and being ringside.
- Stupid catch phrases. It's easy to predict what he's going to say. In the early days he treated every word like it's own friggin sentence (PEDRO! RIZZO! IS! VICTORIOUS!), but that's been supplanted with "IT IS ALL OVER!!! FIGHTER X HAS KNOCKED OUT FIGHTER Y!". He has absolutely no vocabulary at all and you can bank on him saying the same thing over and over and over again.
- Acting as if he knows the sport more than his partners. If Joe Rogan wasn't stoned out of his mind I think he'd go for the RNC on Goldie. He always is talking about scenarios and saying fighter such and such did a nice job of stopping the takedown. I'm willing to bet you money Goldberg hasn't stepped foot in the ring. Don't pretend you're the expert. Because in reality you know jack about MMA and Rogan carries you with his actual knowledge and experience.
- These weird points where he yells at random. There is absolutely no rhythm in his announcing voice at all. At times you'll just see a little bit of inactivity towards the end of the round and explodes with WHAT A GREAT FIRST ROUND WE HAVE HERE!!!!!! I don't even need to add on anything. Let's not forget HERE WE GO!!!! I mean....there are times to get excited but come on who yells for the start of a fight.
- Who is the referee? Nothing ticks me off about Goldberg more than when Bruce Buffer tells us who the referee is...........and then Goldie repeats exactly what we just heard. You know what I mean, right?
Buffer: Your referee in charge of this contest is Herb Dean.
Goldie immediately afterwards: Herb Dean our referee.
And to think Goldberg has improved from his early days with Jeff Blatnick.
To echo Mike Fagan's thoughts, as well as UFC fans around the world, Sack Mike Goldberg.
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The Burns’ cut thing had me WTFing. It’s one thing if there’s a small cut or if someone gets opened up on the floor and it’s hard for the home viewer to make it out. But the guy’s are standing straight up and blood is running down the left side of Kevin’s face. It doesn’t “appear” that Burns’ is bleeding from his left eye. He IS bleeding from his left eye.
In a lot of ways, I think Goldberg’s gotten worse since the old days.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 21, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Goldberg. I think he provides a good foil to Rogan (who swears by him) and represents a lot more to casual fans than to us. He gives someone that has no idea what he’s watching the impression that he’s not the only one – not every MMA fan is going to be a black belt that knows the difference between a kimura and an americana, or what the hell ‘x-plata’ means. It can’t just be two experts marveling at the technical aspects of the fight.
Mike Goldberg, in as much as he reinforces the obvious and is clearly very excited to be there, reminds me a lot of John Madden. That’s not a bad thing
by subo on Jun 21, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Madden and Goldie are a bad comparison. Not only does John perform an entirely different function, but he knows a shit-ton about the sport.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 21, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It’s more about familiarity and the ability to relate to people that know zero about the sport – Madden’s football knowledge was vast, but he was as likely to say ‘you gotta hold on to the ball’ or ’that’s just sloppy tackling’ as something really technical about a pass route or something.
Maybe this makes more sense: When I remember NFL games I watched as a kid when I’m older, I’ll hear John Madden and my local Broncos radio guys. When I remember UFC fights, I’ll hear Mike Goldberg.
by subo on Jun 21, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. He’s not for the intermediate-to-hardcore fans. But for the casual fans (probably a lot more of them than us), he is easy to listen to in terms of explaining things simply and asking Joe about the ‘finer points.’ I don’t think he acts like an expert or as if he knows more than others.
I don’t really get all the Goldberg hate. It’s not like I am a fan, but I really can’t hate the guy. After all these years, whenever I hear his voice, it just feels like fight time (in a kinda Pavlovian way). Fight time is always good.
Secondly, to say he has no knowledge of MMA is ridiculous. He might not be a fighter or have expertise on technique, but he knows the fights. Honestly, has anyone else in the world called more MMA fights than Goldberg? I think has has picked up a great deal of knowledge on the UFC along the way.
by JAMSmusic on Jun 21, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Although – I did just happen to flip channels and land on UFC Ultimate KO’s.
Silva v. Irvin, Goldberg describing Silva’s striking: “His precision is really…precise.”
by JAMSmusic on Jun 21, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah… Rogan pulled his ass out of the fire on that one.
by subo on Jun 21, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was I the only one who caught Goldberg mentioning that Diaz probably wouldn’t finish the guillotine because he didn’t “have the benefit of the guard” or something like that. That stuck out to me like a sore thumb.
I think he gets more crap than he deserves and I have a sneaking suspicion that he know more than he lets onto. I just can’t figure out why he wouldn’t actually say more of that stuff.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jun 21, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I’m confused, but a guillotine is very hard to finish without having guard, either half or full. Or did he say that when Diaz already had guard?
by cmsove on Jun 22, 2009 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said it when Diaz didn’t have guard, which is to say, he was correct in his appraisal of the situation.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jun 22, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
I think he does a fine job. Anyone whose job it is to talk will inevitably say something dumb once in a while, and there seems to be many people waiting to pounce on him for it.
by mythbuster on Jun 21, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% agree. The Goldie hate is lame. I don’t think ppl realize how much he sets up Rogan by playing the dense guy. He provides the traditional announcer voice that makes it feel like a big event, and the newbie questions that Rogan can answer. I think they’re a perfect team, and I think it would become obvious how much Goldie actually contributes if he became absent from the cards. It takes more skill to do what he does than most people realize.
by Disco1Stu on Jun 22, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he’s “playing” the dense guy roll.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not, but he might be playing the dense guy role.
by subo on Jun 23, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing about the Goldie hate isn’t just that he’s still a near-dunce when it comes to the technical aspects of the sport. He can’t accurately or eloquently tell the story of the action in front of him. Goldberg’s the commentary equivalent of “playing not the lose.” Yeah, he gets the very basic aspects of the job done and he’s REALLY GOOD at hyping products. But can you name a really classic Goldberg call? Or name a fight in which he significantly added to your enjoyment of the fight?
I certainly can’t for either question posited.
Go listen to Jim Lampley call a big boxing fight. Or any boxing fight for that matter. He adds an additional level of emotion to the proceedings. THAT is what a play-by-play man should strive for. Yelling retarded catch phrases like “It’s all over!” and “You gotta watch for the upkicks!” not only makes for boring listening, but detracts from the presentation for anyone who has followed the sport for awhile with a critical ear for these sorts of things.
It’s nice that the UFC rewards loyalty within the company. Unfortunately, that comes at the cost of quality for the fans. For the sabermetrically inclined, Goldberg is the prototypical “replacement level” broadcaster. When a guy like Gus Johnson, with no prior combat sport experience, can come in and do a similar if not better job than you after something like a decade of experience, there’s something critically wrong.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 21, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lampley
Is an expert at knowing fights….he’s been in one with his ex-wife. ;-)
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 21, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if he’s not beating his wife, he’s leaving his daughter to fend for herself in a riot.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 21, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goldberg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Johnson
And if Tito or Mauro is ‘playing to win’, then give me somebody – anybody- that plays not to lose.
by subo on Jun 21, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not all that sold on GuJo on MMA
When you call Petruzelli beating Kimbo Slice as the biggest upset in the history of MMA you’re taking it to the extreme…..and you don’t know crap.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 21, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is Goldberg, so they’re on an equal playing field.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 21, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are neither in the same ballpark nor the same league. Goldberg is vastly superior to ‘ROCKY!!!!!!!!!’
by subo on Jun 21, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re going to single out one unfortunate (although epically bad) bit of announcing, you’re not being objective about this at all. Especially with Goldberg’s laundry lists of faux pas in the last year alone (his twelfth in the business).
I really can’t fathom how you can think Goldberg is at some other level than Gussy. Why not offer a little more critical comparison of the two instead of just pounding the Kimbo debacle?
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 21, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t think of a good Johnson call. This is like arguing about which hamburger is better.
by subo on Jun 22, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s your argument? Johnson has, what, six cards of experience?
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not an argument, man - it's taste buds, it's auditory, it's subjective
Am I to give him points based on the possibility where he might not suck so much in the future?
Also, your favorite author sucks and should have written more like my favorite author.
My local sports team is superior to your local sports team.
by subo on Jun 22, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course it’s subjective. But certainly you can offer some reasoning behind your opinions.
It’s pretty disingenuous to make the point that X >>>>> Y and then cry “futility” when leaned on to back up your statements/arguments/opinions.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disingenuous? It’s how I feel. I’m not making up my opinion that Johnson sucks and Goldberg is all right – I base it on how their voices hit my hear, the things they say, when they say them and how they interact with their partner(s). Goldberg, in my o-p-i-n-i-o-n, is better at all of these things.
You bash Goldberg like you’re selling a website book, and I think he’s OK. How, in the grand scheme of things, is that different than me liking a burger joint that makes you gag?
by subo on Jun 22, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your opinion isn’t disingenuous. It’s disingenuous to offer an opinion (over and over) and then dodge the issue when asked to elaborate on it.
You keep bringing up all these asinine analogies. Yeah, we can argue (or opine!) whether Babe Ruth or Barry Bonds is the better baseball player. But when we do, I’ll tell you Bonds is because he in a league drawn from a much larger talent pool, hit against pitchers who had nastier stuff than anyone in the 1930’s could even dream of, and struck fear into a league like no one’s ever seen.
Or we can debate whether yellow mustard is better than brown mustard. And I’ll have my reasons for brown mustard.
We don’t have to agree on the conclusion, but we can certainly flesh out the arguments. I don’t feel it’s much to ask that someone present a reasoning behind their opinions (especially those which were made three separate times). Otherwise, these comment threads would be exercises in futility if we simply made unsubstantiated claims one after another, don’t you think?
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because he played in*
I hate that we can’t edit these.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
But yeah, I think the analogy holds – I don’t really debate music with people for the same reason. I like what I like and don’t what I don’t, and think it’s kind of masturbatory to try to get someone over to your side on purely creative issues – which I think fight calling is. There is no ‘right’ way to call a fight.
by subo on Jun 22, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think there’s a pretty established ‘Gus Johnson sucks’ school of thought already that I didn’t think I needed to trot out the ins and outs of it – he just bugs me.
by subo on Jun 22, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Ruth was outhitting entire teams in home runs. I’m thinking he was more intimidating.
by subo on Jun 22, 2009 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I’m only going to say that three guys in the MLB had more total walks than Bonds had intentional walks in 2004.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds was also hitting against a community of pitchers spread across 32 teams.
But I digress.
by subo on Jun 22, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, you’re going to drag me into this! Ruth wasn’t playing against blacks, dark skinned latinos, or anyone from Japan, Korea, the Caribbean, and South America.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Expansion wreaked absolute havoc on the quality of pitching. More than half the guys pitching today wouldn’t have had jobs in Ruth’s day – there were fewer slots to go around.
Also, steroids. Ruth did it on hot dogs, beer and hookers.
by subo on Jun 22, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I don’t like baseball nowadays – compare Babe Ruth or Ted Williams to the current Roidhead primadonnas.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Jun 22, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ruth was also an incredible pitcher. Bonds couldn’t hit .300 for his career. Musiel,Mays, are both better and both still alive. Pujols (if clean) has a shot at second best ever. No one will ever pas Babe.
by Riney on Jun 22, 2009 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one cares about batting average.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OBP >>>>> BA
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m 98% sure Gus Johnson never saw an MMA fight before EliteXC.
Goldie>>>>>>>>Johnson
And Mauro says just plain stupid shit.
by Lewish on Jun 22, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than Gus Johnson...
…although, his Yoda-eseque sentence structure can be distracting. “Stuffed the takedown did the Canadian in trunks of blue”. Stuff like that can wear thin.
by INGO B on Jun 21, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did I mention TIto?
In what capacity is Goldberg significantly better than Johnson? Because he’s done it longer and your endorphins shoot through the roof when you hear his familiar, soothing announcing voice?
As for Mauro, I can point out the Cro Cop/Randleman fight as a call that I distinctly associate adding to the drama of the moment. He also did the Cro Cop/Fedor fight wonderfully as well. He’s fallen off a cliff lately, but he’s shown he can do a quality and competent job when he wants to.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 21, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mauro as a pbp is fine
But his job at EliteXC was terrible. He was a 2nd play-by-play guy just dishing out stats. He can be over-the-top but I loved him on Pride.
I kinda enjoyed Goldberg during Tito/Griffin (I WANT OVERTIME!!! I WANT ROUND 4!!) but his voice and style is for WWE and not MMA.
I’m quite sure you can give Rogan pbp lessons and if a bout is boring he can ramble on about pot….that’s better than Goldberg already.
Goldie is just way too cliche-ridden and robotic in his commentary. That’s why I can’t tell the difference between his real-life commentary and UFC Undisputed.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 21, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rogan takes over the play-by-play when the fight hits the ground more often than not.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 21, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually you can argue
Rogan makes the fight memorable if you want a famous call.
Granted, “On the button” has run its course and every KO and submission is nice or unbelievable, but when he talks over Goldie I kinda feel fuzzy inside.
Evans/Liddell was a perfect example.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 22, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or actually
Jardine/Alexander as a better example.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 22, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
And if I hear him spout the same rhetoric about Griffin vs. Bonnar being one of the greatest fights in UFC history one more time I’m going to lose it.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 21, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The CC/Randleman call was awesome
And Johnson is absolutely atrocious.
by subo on Jun 21, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, if you want to validate your argument that Goldberg >>>>>>>>>>> Johnson with some critical remarks, you’re more than welcome.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 21, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not an argument, it’s an opinion. Google will tell you the difference.
by subo on Jun 22, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Semantics. C’mon, Subo, you’re better than that.
You can insert opinion into that sentence and it holds the same weight. Opinions aren’t worth anything if you don’t have any reasoning behind it.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My reasoning is that I’d rather listen to Mike Goldberg than Gus Johnson.
by subo on Jun 22, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And my very easy question is, “Why?”
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should really keep this conversation to one thread.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody’s perfect.
I don’t think Johnson adds anything to the conversation except for things you have to then correct for the people watching with you. Goldberg makes me laugh, stimulates Joe to educate the fans by correcting what he just said (sadly, Gus has no such counterpart) and is responsible for some pretty damn funny unintentional one liners. How can I rank Johnson over a guy that described Nick Diaz smelling Karo’s opening?
And again, I argue that you should in fact like stuffed crust pizza, for I find it delicious, and moreover that you get over your favorite movie, seeing as how it sucks.
by subo on Jun 22, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are going to sit down and pick out any bad calls or english fuck ups a commentator makes you are going to have more than enough material to make thousands of unwarranted websites.
The thing about Goldberg is that he and Rogan work perfectly together. They both play off of each other, and Goldberg does a great job of setting up Rogan to better explain things to the audience.
Goldberg does a good job of promoting the UFC – which is something he is probably meant to emphasise – and half the things he says are in my opinion directed at the newcomer in order to educate them on what various positions on the ground are called so that they won’t get immediately lost when Rogan goes in to more detail.
Does he make a lot of fuck ups? Sure, but why the fuck does anyone care? When he drops the ball, Rogan jumps in and saves it which goes back to what I was saying earlier about how good they are as a team.
If you remember back to UFC 55 and UFC 56, Goldberg wasn’t there and you had those two other dudes and the commentating sucked absolute balls. At UFC 42 you had Joe Rogan as the play-by-play guy with Phil Baroni has colour and while it was entertaining, it got old pretty damn quick.
I have no problem with Gus Johnson as I think he does a fine job, I have no problem with Stephen Quadros and think he’s an excellent commentator. But having said that I wouldn’t want either of them or any other person to replace Goldberg as I think it would just completely fuck up the flow on UFC broadcasts.
"Japan panics about the rise of "grass-eating men," who shun sex, don’t spend money, and like taking walks."
Did they all get married?
- Ubernoober
by SamCupitt on Jun 22, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t mind Goldie. I think him and Joe have good chemistry and i tend to be more concerned about what is going on in the octagon then the guy calling the action
by Brian Bobby on Jun 21, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Wiman said no! And Fisher said 'yes my son', it is all over!" - Goldie on Ultimate Knockouts
You gotta be kidding me.
On an unrelated note I’d love to see an Ultimate Submissions type of show. I know it’s not aesthetically pleasing to some people but I love seeing those.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 21, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zuffa did put out an "Ultimate Submissions" DVD a while back
and they might have shown it on Spike a few times, but they haven’t done another one since. I too would like to see them reboot that series.
by Scott Haber on Jun 21, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks
Yeah the knockouts are flashy but when I see a great armbar I think that better represents what MMA is all about.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 21, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tamden didn’t.
Keep firing Assholes!
Out out, you demons of stupidity!
by Ubernoober on Jun 22, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every time I see that, I wait for the “pop!” I know it won’t happen, but something in the back of my head just keeps saying that the elbow is gonna snap.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Jun 22, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t quite understand the idea that play-by-play announcers need some kind of Al-Michaels-in-1980 “signature call.” Maybe it’s the years of listening to bad announcing talking, but I’d much rather have a low-key, classy play-by-play call. Dick Enberg or Pat Summerall are more like my ideal—understated calls which rely on the timber of the announcer’s voice. There’s no one remotely like that calling MMA, at least that I’ve heard, so for now I guess I’ll take Goldberg as the least of all evils (just like I’d take Jim Nantz over Joe Buck).
by An Old Friend on Jun 22, 2009 3:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
has anyone else noticed alot of what goldberg and rogan say in undisputed you hear repeated at every fight card cant they come up with something new to say
by ldglass on Jun 22, 2009 5:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Florian
Would be awesome as a full time commentator with Joe Rogan.
by Well Read Idiot on Jun 22, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most of you Goldberg points are just silly.
1. The Burns cut – you entire point is based on Goldberg using the word ‘appears’. Oh noes. The horror.
2. Catch phrases – They are an integral part of sports announcing. Nobody complains about Phil Rizzuto’s “Yankees Win!” or Marv Albert’s “Yes!” or Marty Brennamens “This one belongs to the Reds!”. Coming up with corny catch phrases is part and parcel to the announcing gig.
3. He never played the game – So what? There are scores upon scores of respected sports announcers who never played the game. MMA is not rocket science. You don’t need to be a pro fighter in order to call the action.
4. Pretty much a rehash of point #2. Also, a big part of any announcers job is to get the fans pumped up for the competition. What better way than Goldie’s over the top “Here we go!” to kick things off?
5. Oh noes! Goldy tells us who the referee is. For shame! I take everything back. Goldber is teh suck!!! ZOMG!!
by Steve4192 on Jun 22, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Look, point 5
What is the point of Goldy telling me the referee when Bruce “Lay-Chester” Buffer said it 2 seconds before?
That’s stupid. Do you ever hear Jim Lampley going “Raul Caiz Jr.” our referee after Michael Buffer is through with the ring announcements?
Sorry but there are certain sports where catchphrases are out of place and MMA is one of them. And “Yankees Win!” I’m quite sure is John Sterling so don’t call me out while you can’t even do your own research. Phil Rizzuto’s catchphrase was “Holy Cow!” and I hardly watch baseball.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 22, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the point of Goldy telling me the referee when Bruce "Lay-Chester" Buffer said it 2 seconds before?
On the other hand, what is the point of getting upset about it?
by mythbuster on Jun 22, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sterling’s “Yankees win” makes me want to throw up.. lol. As for The “Holy Cow” line, Harry Caray started using it before Phil (if you want to get technical).
by sadface on Jun 22, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watch all the UFC events with no issues. I have to turn the volume down or off on Strikeforce events. They just are not my cup of tea.
I will take Kenny/Mir/Jens over the Strikeforce guys. The Affiction cards can be just as painful. MMA doesn’t have Jack Buck or Harry Carey or Vin so we deal with what we have.
by Riney on Jun 22, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Guida
All fights involving Guida must be 5, even 7 rounds long because he’s never boring.
Guida’s UFC 94 performance against Diaz is on line one.
by Kierkegaard on Jun 22, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And his fights with Griffin, Sanchez, and Huerta are on line two saying that was an anomaly.
by Zack Gobie on Jun 22, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for all the feedback guys
Anyone else find it hilarious that Rogan had to correct Goldie on Ultimate Knockouts 7, saying Rampage’s knockout of Wanderlei was with the same punch as when he KOed Liddell?
In defense of Goldberg he is probably the best of a bad bunch. Have you listened to Todd Harris call a fight? He’s pathetic. Actually he’s horrible at football too but that’s a different story.
A Rogan/Florian duo would be awesome, because I consider Florian to be one of the best analysts out there.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 22, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Regarding a Rogan-Florian duo, which one of those guys would do Goldie’s job?
Somebody has to plug the next PPV, the next Saw movie, Dana’s twitter, Mickey’s fine malt liquor, and play the fool so the other guy can explain basic techniques to the casual viewers. If you think Goldy does all that stuff just for fun, you are crazy.
99% of the reason people hate Goldy is because they hate his job. He is getting paid to be a commercial pitchman and foil for his partner just as much as he is getting paid to call the action. His job is very similar to the job of Jim Ross over in the WWE and he does it well. That’s why the WWE tried to hire him a few years back.
Hate on Zuffa all you want for structuring his job the way that they have, but don’t hate on Goldy for following orders.
by Steve4192 on Jun 22, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does anyone have to “play the fool?” We’re at the point where MMA needs to stop trying to cater to virgin fans. People will pick up shit on their own. There’s no reason to insult the intelligence of the audience.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schiavello and Anik are both much better than Goldberg. I still think Ranallo and Johnson are as well, but others disagree.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jealousy
I’m jealous of Goldberg. He has a great job, and the best seat in the house for every UFC event. He even gets to travel to Europe semi-regularly, and meet every UFC star. Lucky fellow.
Goldberg has a job that is hard, but appears easy, and I think that’s why people give him a hard time. I’d miss him if he left UFC’s announcing booth, and so would the people who don’t know it yet and complain about his every misstep. Also, keep in mind that he doesn’t insert his own ads – the ones he reads are the ones the UFC wrote on his cards.
Some announcers’ mistakes are just annoying, but at least Goldie’s are funny. You have to love precise precision, two pound reach advantages and the like. These mistakes aren’t offensive, and they could happen to anyone.
cheers,
Andrew
by outlander78 on Jun 22, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My favorite was the mix up between Portuguese and Japanese.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jun 22, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The precision is precise comment
Had me rolling.
Andy Reid is the only coach in NFL history that uses the pass to set up the pass.
by SSreporters on Jun 22, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you have to love the "precision is precise" comment? It’s embarrassing.
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it’s pretty obvious that Mauro is a superior broadcaster but I guess he has some sexual harrasment issues. Goldie’s skills have improved (only one way you can go from zero) Having a 3rd person like Kenny or Coutoure really helps overshadow Goldie’s annoying and ignorant comments.
by naturalist on Jun 22, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d take almost anyone over Ranallo. He’s just about the worst shill out of all them—that pro wrestling background is always evident.
by An Old Friend on Jun 22, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goldberg's grammar and syntax is virtually atrocious!
Subject and verb agreement is a simple concept that Goldie failed to learn in elementary school. Goldie loves to exclaim, “Thirty seconds remains!” when he should exclaim, “Thirty seconds remain!” He gets this wrong “virtually” every time. A singular noun takes a singular verb, and a plural noun takes a plural verb. Somebody who talks for a living should make an effort to speak the language properly.
It is also annoying when Goldie proclaims that two fighters’ measurements / ages are “virtually identical” when they are often quite dissimilar, but that is more of a vocabulary problem than a grammar problem.
by atrain2609 on Jun 22, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Three inches taller is Dos Anjos.”
“About a minute old is round number two.”
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jun 22, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guida Won
So Sanchez won the first round but Guida laid waste to him in the 2nd and 3rd. No way Sanchez should have gotten that decision after being controlled solid for 10 straight minutes..
by jayhoff2000 on Jun 23, 2009 8:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Laid waste?
Set an appointment with your local optometrist
by Well Read Idiot on Jun 23, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
controlled solid
Guida did a masterful job of blocking Sanchez’s head kicks and elbows from the guard with his face. Moreover, Guida’s excellent bleeding defense nullified a few of Sanchez’s submission attempts. All around a clear victory for the Carpenter.
by atrain2609 on Jun 23, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There have been events within the past year where Goldberg has been the one carrying Rogan. At times stealing Joe’s talking points, but generally leaving Joe with little to do but agree. He gets alot of hate, but anyone will slip up over 3 hours of carrying a broadcast.
And to the OP, don’t call the Wilks finish over Johnson a guillotine. It’s called a Rear Naked Choke, look it up.
by bigweeze on Jun 23, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Clay Guida is plenty boring.
He can’t strike nor can he pass guard. His two most redeeming features as a fighter are that he can take a beating and has good cardio. All he could do was hold Diego down and bleed on him. On top of that, he used that blood to take guard in R3 after he lost his back to Diego.
Dana offered him a bunch of money to cut his hair for the UFC video game. He didn’t and I don’t blame him. Without that hair, he’s a C level fighter. With that hair, it distracts people and judges from seeing how average he actually is.
by bigweeze on Jun 23, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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