Snapshot of the Day: Evangelista "Cyborg" Santos, the Icon
by Luke Thomas on Jun 18, 2009 2:18 PM EDT
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For better or worse, I've always been a fan of and partial participant in meat head culture. I certainly do not expect others to share or understand my enthusiasm as I barely comprehend the impulse myself. But it's there and it's real. And in that world, Cyborg is a leader and icon.
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What do you mean by meat head culture? Why is Cyborg an icon? Please explain.
by szucconi on Jun 18, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he means...
Michael “Meathead” Stivic.
by mythbuster on Jun 18, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I love that show.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jun 18, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
first time poster, long time reader
i think by meathead culture, he means sports, pictures, movies that involve “man 0 E man 0” type intrigue. Things that are very “testosterone” oriented. And i think he means Cyborg is an icon and leader because he looks the part as much as anyone possibly can, he has the mentality, (watch him fight manhoef if u havnt seen it) and even his wife is a beast!
correct me if im wrong luke but i think thats mostly what you were saying?
by bluejitz on Jun 18, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
First time I say cyborg fight, and I had heard of him before then so I took notice when I watched the fight, was a jungle fight bootleg. I am unaware of any antics or traits of cyborg that I would describe him as a meat head for. I know a few people I would call a meat head and a few that call themselves meat heads. Knowing some indy wrestlers and a few body builders, it is unavoidable to know some meat, but what is Luke describing specifically in reference to cyborg?
by szucconi on Jun 18, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Color me unimpressed. There’s a whole swath of territory between being a grass-eater and being a fucking meat head – it’s called working out to keep in shape AND reading the occasional book, having people’s backs and defending yourself and NOT starting fights for no reason. One can be a well rounded human being while being neither a douchebag nor a pussy – that’s where some of us aim to be.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, what on earth are you driving at? I tripled majored from a tier one university and have written speeches for a living. What does well-roundedness have to do with this conversation? I’m not holding him up as a shining example of what others need to be. I’m articulating his place within a certain subset of society.
by Luke Thomas on Jun 18, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there are multiple definitions of “meat head” floating around. subo is using one with negative implications. Please elaborate on your definition of “meat head culture”
by szucconi on Jun 18, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly is Cyborg an icon of?
I sort of get the point of your post except for the part about him being an icon.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Jun 18, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luke, if you think I give a shit where you went to school or what for, then we haven't met.
Some of the least intelligent, least motivated people I’ve ever met had pieces of paper from prestigious institutions – graduating college doesn’t make you smart. That piece of info has much less to do with this conversation than well-roundedness (the antithesis of ‘meat-head’ or ‘bookworm’). This line is why I wrote that:
For better or worse, I’ve always been a fan of and partial participant in meat head culture.
Which part are you a fan of? The wanton aggression, rampant homophobia and misogyny? The arrogant ‘God complex’?
Which part do you partially participate in? Does working out make you part meat head? Do you randomly act like a drunk asshole at the bar? What on God’s green Earth is appealing about being a meat head?
I can admire anyone that works their ass off for what they want – I was simply making the point that making physical exertion the sole rubric by which you measure yourself is pretty fucking stupid. I didn’t think you would disagree.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if you're going to brag about your education, don't say you 'tripled majored'
I’m not holding him up as a shining example of what others need to be. I’m articulating his place within a certain subset of society.
By this judgment, any demagogue = icon. Rush Limbaugh, Charles Manson = icons.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rush Limbaugh, Charles Manson = icons.
In their domains of achievement they kinda are.
by asa on Jun 18, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“The wanton aggression, rampant homophobia and misogyny? The arrogant ‘God complex’?”
Yeah, subo. All of them. Good job thinking this issue through.
by Luke Thomas on Jun 18, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not "bragging" about my education. I’m pointing out that your wild jumps to conclusions about premises you’ve set up about my views that aren’t the least bit correct are immediately made false by the lives of a thousand people who live nuanced existences. I was throwing mine into the mix.
You just jumped out making some ridiculous assertion by conflating a term I was using with poor character traits exhibited by the dregs of society. I’m not sure how we’re supposed to have a conversation when you do that.
by Luke Thomas on Jun 18, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Subo, I think you’re kinda making some assumptions here (and maaaaybe over-reacting… just a touch…). Maybe it’s geographic, but “meathead” where I am is not such a negative label as would justify what I’m seeing in your response. To me, it’s an entire spectrum of behaviour that finds common ground in a few characteristics. ‘Round these parts (west coast, BC), meatheads are guys who are plain-talkers (honest at one end of the spectrum, abbrasive and offensive at the other), followers of a particular aesthetic (loosely related to but not necessarily the same as the “rockabilly” style, into body modification, etc., but again to various extents), involved in and interested in physical hobbies and pursuits (though not exclusively, and not necessarily involving MMA), and generally embodying a very in-the-moment, fiercly independent, visceral worldview. It’s pretty hard to define, honestly… like a lot of cultures, which defy simple boundaries and exist differently and are perceived differently depending on their social particularity.
SOME of the people who I would call “meatheads” are people very much like myself (I suppose I’d be called a meathead by some, though I don’t identify as such) and I don’t think I’m a homophobe, or violent, or define myself on my physical pursuits. I just like tattoos, beer and loud stories as entertainment, and hate it when people tell me what to do. OTHERS can be just as racist, homophobic or otherwise degenerate trash as any other segment of society. Is there a preponderance towards one end or the other of the spectrum? Damned if i know, so I refuse to judge an entire subset – some might call it a coherent subculture – of people. Why? Because of something I think we both agree on, Subo: blanket judgement of entire groups of people is pretty, you know, unethical.
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not unethical to judge a group if the group is comprised of individuals that you have labeled to be in said group. I.E. John is a douche bag. Sam is a douche bag. Those guys are douche bags. I am judging the group to be douche bags based on the fact that the group is comprised of douche bags.
This does not speak to the meat head issue, but the judging of group being wholly unethical. It is not, it is called sociology. Sociologist would not like me saying that, they would say sociology is the “study” of groups. They try to stay away from judging, but it is human nature to group things together by traits.
by szucconi on Jun 18, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we’re confusing terms again. For me, judging is very different from analyzing and evaluating. Judging involves a definitive and final statement on the nature or essence of a person/group, usually against a pre-established set of standards. Analyzing and evaluating means attempting to objectively describe and theorize based on current information and recognizing the limitations of the available evidence and the presence of changing conditions. That’s the definition in my field of study, anyway.
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is one ecumenical definition of meat head
Luke’s clearly operating off of a different definition than I am.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ecumenical?
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…balls. I should’ve busted out my thesaurus for ‘all-encompassing’ instead of guessing. In my defense, I was low on oxygen.
For the record, American meatheads are a different breed altogether.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I was simply making the point that making physical exertion the sole rubric by which you measure yourself is pretty fucking stupid.”
Except that I’m not doing that at all.
Seriously, ask questions. You’re just projecting a really simplistic idea of what you think I’m talking about and then trying to take me to task for it. Pardon me if I don’t play along.
by Luke Thomas on Jun 18, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, to be fair, you seem to be using a different definition of “meathead” than most everyone else. Since you’ve refused, thus far, to define your terms, I don’t think you can really claim any high ground here.
And if you’re not using a different definition, then count me among the confused.
by a tommy point on Jun 18, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I get some time to write it first? Thanks.
I’m having to swat flies while I write. Patience.
by Luke Thomas on Jun 18, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understandable.
Though, it’s been over an hour since the post went up. Defining ‘meathead’ shouldn’t require a lengthy dissertation.
Eh, never mind. This seems like the stupidest debate ever, by which I mean this week. I don’t know why I am typing this comment. Help.
by a tommy point on Jun 18, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the thing: take a look at my definition a couple of posts up. I wasn’t aware that anyone else used a different definition! If i used the term, that’s what I’d expect people to hear; maybe Luke has a different idea that he expected. It’s hard to know what is in other people’s heads, especially since we’re located all over the f’ing planet.
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Seriously, ask questions'
Did I not ask which parts of this culture you admired and participated in? I believe I did.
An easy answer would’ve been ‘I don’t ascribe homophobia or misogyny to meatheads, but I do admire their no-bullshit attitudes and their work ethic.’ That would’ve been too easy, I guess.
Perhaps defining what exactly it is you’re talking about would end any type of projection.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did an argument about meatheadism really just crop up out of nowhere? Wow.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jun 18, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea what anyone is talking about here.
by An0nymous on Jun 18, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You obviously didn't "tripled majored" then.
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Jun 18, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it looks like the only meatheads here are the ones who are posting! i see where you are coming from luke, and i think subo is holding a certain predisposition to the point where it doesnt matter what you say, hes going to see it his way.
i agree with you and i think anything that is an alpha male type sport, physically and mentally, could be refered to in a meathead way. but we all know and love mma here so why are people jumping on you so hard!? haha i liked the post!
by bluejitz on Jun 18, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the term “meatheads” usually does have a negative connotation associated to it. The jocks, the more muscles the better, not bright, a-holes, etc.
Athletes are not called “meatheads” unless you are referring to the John Rocker or Bill Romonowski type, which is never a good thing. So, the definition of “meathead” does indeed cause a bit of confusion in this post.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jun 18, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aww come on Luke,
I is only joshin ya!
Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.
by dnevil001 on Jun 18, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me, “meat head” always had negative connotations so this write-up confused the sh*t out of me. I guess it is a geographical thing. I call neanderthal types “meat heads”. I don’t mean it in a good way. It has very little to do w/Luke’s definition (I think?).
by frickshun on Jun 18, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here in Texas, ‘Meathead’ is pretty much limited to big dumb bodybuilders or football types. And specifically in my book, it’s the ones who think they’d whoop you in a fight simply because they lift weights and can get really angry.
I didn’t know there were other definitions like AJBs.
by Headkick on Jun 18, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you got the general definition down. I am not sure where AJB’s definition comes from.
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jun 18, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Victoria, BC, apparently. I thought it was common.
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
meat head culture
Like any definition of the culture, I’m sure there are variations and at the margins, the parameters aren’t quite so clear. But I’m basing mine off of my experience, which is the only real source of judgment I can bring to the issue.
For me, some of what’s been discussed is correct. It’s the macho culture of male testosterone. It’s the imagery of perfect masculinity. It’s the drive towards masculinity, which is usually exhibited through strength, dominance. Sometimes its the adjudication of disputes through force. I certainly do not believe that’s a maxim that is reliable or useful for the real world, but where my appreciation for meat head lifestyle was cultivated – the U.S. Marine Corps – that sort of thing has its place.
I don’t ever mean for the espousal of these values and this ethos to result in the detriment of others well being nor do I embrace the fundamentals to any sort of degree where art imitates life, so to speak. Certainly some less savory characters portray these highly regrettable qualities, but I’m the first to tell you the culture is very much perception based. And the perception of toughness, strength, heroism is the light bulb I’m drawn to like a moth. I’m drawn to the idea of perfect masculinity. I’m intrigued by how H.I.V. positive men who take testosterone to combat immune deficiency (like Andrew Sullivan) describe wholesale changes to their bodies and personality with testosterone injections. Deep down, I’ve always been fascinated by the action heroes of life. I’ve always wanted to have the physique of Schwarzennegger, the willingness to stand up to challenges like Patton and exhibit the lack of fear of, say, Cyborg Santos. To me, that has always been a compelling image and conception of masculinity and one I’ll candidly tell you I’ve always wanted to be a part of.
Anyone who knows me (just ask Nate) will tell you I have positively zero tolerance for street violence, discrimination or abuse. When I say meat head, I say so affectionately because I’ve stripped out the connotations of preying on the weak. That may be out of convenience, but I don’t have any difficulty parsing the two for my lifestyle’s sake. I’m able to chase the images of masculinity I want for myself without tipping over into thuggery.
So, I don’t expect others to personally like what I like or view masculinity in the terms I do, but from my vantage point, it’s got nothing to do with the assaulting others, order or good will. It’s about who I want to be as a person and a man.
by Luke Thomas on Jun 18, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
This is perfectly reasonable.
Removal of ‘preying on the weak’ takes a lot out of asserting dominance for no particular reason and homophobia and a lot of the other things I hate about ‘meatheads’. In military life, I understand it’s pretty much ‘bully or be bullied’, so that makes sense too.
I wonder if the fact that Fedor just beats the shit out of everyone has changed your perspective on the male ideal.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fedor is an interesting wrench in the equation. Part of me wishes he had the beach muscles and part of me loves that he doesn’t have them at all.
by Luke Thomas on Jun 18, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a formerly fat man (6’3 205, used to be 265 in HS), I love Fedor’s flab. That quarter inch between your skin and your hips ain’t what’s keeping you from being a world champ.
I rec’d your clarification. I’ve been pretty pissed off since Stallworth got 30 days for killing a guy with his car while drunk – the last thing I needed to see was someone trying to glorify meathead culture.
But that’s not what you were doing. My apologies for leaping to conclusions instead of asking first.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries. I’m not making excuses for the football players who’ve been coddled by coaches their entire lives as they bully everyone. I’m talking about the guy who doesn’t take their shit.
by Luke Thomas on Jun 18, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get that. I get you. But I would in no way call this a meat head. This ideal is the typical male ideal. It was the way I was raised. Be tough, don’t show fear, be respectful and firm, physical dominance. I was the oldest of four boys and I ruled through force. The only thing I can’t relate to is the vanity and the beach muscles. I always wanted to be a Marine, but I took a different path in life. No regrets. But I would in no way call that a meat head. That’s just a man. Standing up for whats right despite fear. Knowing when to use force and when to be passive. Men of action. I try to live it, but you can’t always.
On the other hand, a meat head is like the football players in HS that the wrestling team would tangle with in the weight room. Big guys that when pressed, back down by the masses. Guy that were going to college combines for football and putting up large amounts of weight and wanted no parts of 130lbs of me. So to me, and quite a few others here, a meat head is a bad thing. I would describe you as a man certainly, and alpha male, but most of all and overachiever. Can’t you just quite your job and live in your parents basement for a few years so us twenty somethings can catch up? Marines? Triple Major? What ever your day job is? this site? Color on UWC and MMAC? you must be on crack.
by szucconi on Jun 18, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Precisely
I always drew a line between being a man and being a meathead, like I draw a line between being a man and being a pussy – they are two extremes and one must reside in the middle.
I’m going back to school, but unless I get some kind of guaranteed job for busting my ass, I’m going to major in accounting or radiology and just get a fucking job. Luke might have been super idealistic and wasted $50,000 on some kind of Philosophy/Political Science/Physical Education degree.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s everyone’s secret, and it’s only a secret from their parents.
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mine know. I only lie at the poker table.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luke has also heralded the effects of adarole (sp?). Maybe the combo is a wonder drug that replaces sleep. Never had either myself.
by szucconi on Jun 18, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My g/f just stopped taking that 6 months ago, after 10 years of using it and finding out she was misdaignosed and didn’t need it. The withdrawal from that is messed up.
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jun 18, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate those damn meds so much. So many are a crap shoot, and misdiagnoses should solely be blamed on insurance companies. If insurance companies would compensate without forcing a diagnosis, the world would be a better place.
by CliChe Guevara on Jun 18, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Close. Philosophy, Government and History. But it wasn’t that big a waste. I started out doing Middle East policy analysis and moved on from there. The ability to write and cover some measure of history with a moderate understanding of geopolitics worked out quite nicely.
by Luke Thomas on Jun 18, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn’t sound bad at all – I dropped out because I realized I could either teach my degree (PoliSci) or attempt to get published upon graduation – neither sounded great (of course, I’m in Colorado and you’re in DC, where political jobs are slightly more available). Now that I’m going back, I’m pretty much viewing myself as a tool that needs a job, and whichever piece of paper guarantees me a decent one, I’m there. I’ve spent enough of the last five years doing things I hate to know that I can suffer through whatever course load and instructors they throw at me.
Don’t I just sound fucking thrilled. Sigh. I learned more about history reading ‘The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich’ than I did in almost twelve years of public schooling.
I need a bowl.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll say this: there is ZERO chance I ever go back to grad school. ZERO.
by Luke Thomas on Jun 18, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C’mon, if I’m going to suffer through PhD work for the next three years, I damn well don’t want to be alone in it!
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rise and Fall is still a classic and sits proudly on my shelf next to the autobiography of Albert Speer, but man, you must have had some crumby schooling.
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean ‘Inside The Third Reich’? Another quality work. I’m just a self teacher – give me the damn textbook and a week and I’ll be through it.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s the one. ANd I can do that for some things, but I also am aware that I’m limited in my ability to creatively envision possible interpretations of different works based on my cultural and experiential biases. That’s why I like to spend time around smart people who come from very different backgrounds than I do. It helps me see reality through worldviews other than my own, which I can’t always do just by reading a text.
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 'brilliant' minds of academia
They charge a pretty penny to be in their company – but so it goes.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the other hand, once you make friends with your profs, you get the benefit of hanging out with them and having even better discussions for the price of a beer!
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate the kind sentiments. My view on this is that no one is going to hand me dick-ola in this life. I’ve got to get out there and take it. My appetite for success and competition is voracious, so until I reach where I want to be I’ve got to work work work work work. No rest for the weary.
by Luke Thomas on Jun 18, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have an intellectual property contract. Knowing it exists makes me lazy. But it is hardly enforceable so it should not stop me from doing more. I have a comp sci degree, which means I can do anything except that which requires writing.
by szucconi on Jun 18, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huzzah for another computer scientist!
A man should never waste an opportunity to keep his mouth shut.
by iiowyn on Jun 18, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe people are taking a pretty jovial post this seriously. I think some people could use some time outside.
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by Rundownloser on Jun 18, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey man, I said my piece and then went on a two mile walk/run. Don’t look at me.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely
In MMA, I’m thinking primarily of Jesse Taylor as my uber-Meathead.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we are definitely using two very different definitions then.
by Luke Thomas on Jun 18, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would you call Jesse? Just a run of the mill asshole? For me, meathead = asshole + testosterone + shitty tribal tattoos – any sense of curiosity about the world – any confidence in the size of one’s penis x 1000.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d call him a f’ing jerk, but not to his face.
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, I’m willing to take a beating for the things I say – swelling, scars, bruises, they all heal, but that stench of pussing out will remain long afterward.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t puss out, I just work strategically. Never fight on enemy on the terrain in which they have the advantage. Never attack from a weak position when you could defend from a strong one. Never call an athlete and professional fighter a name to his face, when you can try and make him structurally irrelevant and unemployed (or something like that)…
It’s like my wife’s favourite tactic. When someone pisses her off (these days), she doesn’t go and talk trash to their face until they get in a fight (with me, inevitably…). She just conducts psychological warfare against them until they develop an eating disorder. And that, my friends, is why I never piss off my wife.
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
I think ‘MMA Fighter Assaults Fan For Trash Talking’ would be a one way ticket out of employment for most fighters.
Your wife is cold.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cold and merciless. I’m so glad she likes me; being her enemy is a bad bad thing. She once got so pissed at a friend of ours that he wrote him an e-mail. The e-mail made him cry until he vomited. We were all 23 at the time.
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maintaining the capacity to ravage those around me is nice. Actually using it, though… I’d feel bad.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This reminds me of a former boss. He was married to a lawyer. He said the up side was they always get the best price for everything. The down side was he could never get divorced. He would often tell me that she made someone cry. A window installer, a cable man. Anyone looking to give them a hard time.
by szucconi on Jun 18, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
She’s a former national public speaking champion, and in a lot of ways, that’s probably pretty similar to being a lawyer – constructing off-the-cuff, persuasive argumentation, etc. If she actually had a law degree, I doubt I’d leave the house.
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you’ve hit the jackpot is what you’re saying.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much. She’s essentially perfect. Perfect is scary.
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can’t get into fighter bashing around here ;)
by Luke Thomas on Jun 18, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with subo on the definition of meathead. Show me some evidence that the term has anything but a negative connotation in any context.
by cmsove on Jun 19, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
War Machine Or Taylor Is A Pretty Safe Choice in MMA
by MMASuPreMaCy on Jun 18, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That picture of Taylor says it all. To me, the guy that doesn’t take his shit isn’t a ‘meat head’ – the guy that doesn’t take his shit is a man. That’s it.
That’s all I want to be – a man.
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the last one for accuracy.
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by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even when I'm wrong and kind of a dick
You at least get a pretty decent thread out of it. Whoever my opponent is gets lots of praise, etc, etc :-D
by subo on Jun 18, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I was gonna point that out, well done on this one.
I also had the same definition of meathead as you by the way.
I dislike Matt Hughes.
by MonkeyCHops on Jun 18, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Yo dawg! I heard you like skulls, so we put a skull on your skull so you can skull while you skull!
by Amish on Jun 18, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AH HA HA HA!!!
Needs picture of Xzibit with a skeleton wearing an Affliction shirt.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Jun 18, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was so wrong....
All these years I thought a “Meat-head” was someone who really liked meat and followed a traveling barbecue tour from city to city in a refrigerated bus full of meat balls.
"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"
by Warhand on Jun 18, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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