TUF 9 Finale: Will Joe Stevenson Unveil an Improved Skill Set?
Preceding the Ultimate Fighter Season 9 Finale main event Clay Guida vs. Diego Sanchez, the UFC has put together a solid lightweight bout between up-and-comer TUF Season 5 winner Nate Diaz and former UFC lightweight title contender Joe Stevenson. Both fighters will hopefully answer questions that many fans have been asking since their last fights in the Octagon. Does Nate Diaz have what it takes to become a true contender in the next year? Can Joe Stevenson avoid being pushed toward the bottom of the barrel within the division or possibly cut? Has Stevenson improved his skill set enough to deal with Diaz? Most of those questions won't be clearly answered on Saturday night, but we'll be given a substantial clue as to what those answers are.
Stevenson has the most to prove in this fight. He's been labeled by many fans as being slightly one-dimensional in that most of his wins in the UFC having come via the guillotine choke or by hard fought decisions. While Stevenson has shown some improved stand-up skills, he still lacks the power to end fights quickly, and his ground game has been underwhelming against top competition within the division.
Brian Oswald over at MMAMania.com caught up with Joe Stevenson and asked about the specific aspects of his game that he feels have improved with his recent move to Greg Jackson's camp:
Brian Oswald (MMAMania.com): You are now training over at Greg Jackson’ camp, alongside fellow TUF 2 castmates Keith Jardine and Rashad Evans. Is it fair to say that your time there has taken your game to another level, and if so, what specifically have you improved upon?
Joe Stevenson: I definitely can say that my time there has been well spent and I have improved vastly. The exciting part is there is lots of room to improve. I can’t go into too much detail this close to a fight. It was definitely the best move for my career though.
Knowing Keith and Rashad were there and having the opportunity to come back and be with them again in an environment where I was going to feel a little out of touch and out of tune was huge. Having those guys here has been great. There are so many great guys here to roll with. I have spent a lot of time with Donald Cerrone and Leonard Garcia. I have trained with Keith and Rashad as well. It’s been an invaluable experience.
I'm very curious to see how Stevenson's skill-set has "improved vastly". It isn't exactly an easy task to come into the fight against a guy who has a 6" reach advantage while also sporting a very good jiu-jitsu background. Trying to work an improved boxing with added ground tactics is going to be a true test for Stevenson when Diaz, on paper, might actually be better in both areas.
The Diaz brothers, Nate and Nick, are probably two of the tougher fighters in the sport today. While Nate doesn't have the resume to stand out as being a "badass", Nick has done his fair share of taking unbelievable beatings and also inflicting his own brand of punishment on opponents. Nate has begun to make a name for himself as potentially being a better version of his older brother. Nate is lengthier, uses range well, boxes almost as good, and utilizes his ground game much more than Nick. He also carries around a solid chin and the true Diaz attitude toward fighting... talk the talk and walk the walk.
Breaking down this battle, Nate Diaz stands out as the winner. I believe his skill-set outmatches Stevenson in both the stand-up and ground game, but his reach advantage coupled with his length on the floor is going to present huge problems for the smaller Stevenson. Diaz's guard is rather high, and he can work submissions effectively off his back as we saw in the Kurt Pellegrino and Alvin Robinson fights. Both Diaz brothers train with former world champion boxer Luisito Espinosa, so I imagine Nate's boxing will be on display early.
If Diaz wins, I think it will warrant some higher profile fight as he's been featured on multiple televised cards. He surely has a fan base to support him. Stevenson will probably stay with the promotion as his losses were to a champion in BJ Penn and the current challenger to the crown in Kenny Florian. The Sanchez loss might be a detractor to keeping Stevenson, but the hype surrounding Sanchez will likely save him. Look for Stevenson to stay in the UFC if he loses. With a win, Stevenson will be back in the middle of the pack.
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Stevenson is being vastly underrated in this fight. While he doesn’t have much punching power, neither does Diaz. Stevenson will also have a massive strength/wrestling advantage over Nate and as long as he displays good submission defense he’ll have a very good chance of grinding out a decision victory.
Punching power isn’t the selling point in my mind. Diaz has much better technical boxing, and he’ll have an overwhelming reach. Strength has never been something Diaz has needed because his length on the ground works great in stifling powerful guys. If he can work the same game that Pellegrino worked without actually putting himself in terrible position, I think you’re right.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 17, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Strength has never been something Diaz has needed because his length on the ground works great in stifling powerful guys.
Is Guida a “powerful guy”?
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by Rundownloser on Jun 17, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I like to think he is to an extent, but I think Guida’s pace was the overwhelming part of that fight.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 17, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I also felt that against Guida, Diaz didn’t take as many risks as he could have to sweep or reverse position. It was the first time I thought that he didn’t fight balls to the wall, and I believe it cost him. That’s not to take the win away from Guida, but I think Diaz is better than he looked in that fight.
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Wrestling
Wrestling seem sot be Nate’s gaping hole. He doesn’t have the hips he’ll need to compete against the bigger boys. Guida smothered him and guys like Griffin and the Bully are gonna eat him alive.
I’m a big fan and think he could be champ if he added wrestling to the mix. But right now his hips are gonna get snatched or smothered by half the guys in the div.
Bad Matchup
It is never a good matchup for a wrestler who is fighting someone who’s striking and submissions are better. Stevenson is going to have to take Diaz down and control him for 3 rounds while avoiding submission to win this fight. Those odds are long indeed.
Clay Guida
Before I get the warranted response, I know Guida beat Diaz. Stevenson’s gas tank isn’t as good as Guida’s, and I believe Clay is a better all around fighter.
by MMAMoneyLine on Jun 17, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but the Guida fight was pretty terrible for Guida. Sure, a win is a win, but Guida basically took him down, hugged on him on the floor, and Diaz was trying to control his arm when he got to his feet in order to pull off some tosses or potentially work a submission position. I thought a lot more referee standup could have changed that fight.
Guida’s cardio was basically the only factor, and it wasn’t even that he outlasted Diaz’s cardio. He just had more in the tank late to continually push the takedowns. Diaz doesn’t have overly great takedown defense, but he really doesn’t need to when he’s off his back. Guida worked well in using the fence to stop Diaz from working a full guard off his back as well.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 17, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there’s a valid counter-argument that it’s never a good matchup for a tall, thin, physically weak fighter to take on a powerful wrestler. Don’t forget, MMA judging in the US tends to favor a wrestler not doing much on top over an active guy on the bottom.
That’s why I think this fight is Stevenson’s to lose. Manny Gamburyan who is now fighting at featherweight, was dominating Nate before the shoulder injury at the TUF finale. Pellegrino was dominating Nate before he got caught. And Guida, another wrestler, was able to grind out a close decision over Nate. So in my eyes, the LAST thing Stevenson should do in this fight is try to display his standup – he should use his physical advantages to take down Nate over and over and over while staying out of submissions.
I am not counting Nate here because he is simply a very game opponent – he is technically sound, has great cardio, and most importantly, he seem mentally tough. Even when he’s losing, he keeps cool and is constantly trying to create opportunities.
US judging isn’t overly biased if the guy on the bottom works a high guard and puts the top controller in danger. The problem is that we don’t see that too often these days. Diaz is a guy who can put you in major danger, but as I’ve stated in the past, watch Phil Cardella’s fights from the WEC. He is the perfect example of a fighter getting screwed by the current system.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 17, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Outside your comment on American judging, I’m largely in line with your counter-argument.
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by Rundownloser on Jun 17, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I think an overall improved skillset might be asking a little much at this level. Joe Stevenson isn’t exactly a write off regardless of his recent record. Losses against BJ, Kenny and Diego simply put him, rankings wise, where he belongs hovering just below the upper echelons of 155. Applying the skills he had already, in a more effective manner, is where I would like to see the improvement.
I tend to think
that simply training for a few months at Jacksons won’t be enough to diversify Joe Daddy’s arsenal significantly.
That said, Stevenson/ Diaz is an intriguing matchup, and should be very competitive.
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