Mirko Cro Cop Clears The Air- Sort Of

by ufc4 on Jun 16, 2009 9:40 PM EDT Comment 62 comments

According to MMACube.com Cro Cop has finally spoken about his current contract status. Apparently he is not actually signed to DREAM yet (although they seem to think he has) but it sure sounds like that is where he is leaning:

“The problem is I'm 35 and I'm finally healthy. UFC is offering me a fight 6 months from now. Even before UFC 99 I said that won't work for me, but they said something like they're gonna change it. I said even before that I wanna fight 3 more times this year, I don't really care if it's ring or octagon.”

“I'm a big star in Japan and I can be on every card I want there. I have a lot of fans there who want me to return. They offer me way more fights and more often, and there is always a possibility that a fight with Fedor could occur – that is my priority.”

He may feel great physically but I don't think at his age it's a great idea to fight four times in six months as he apparently wants to do. So what ARE his plans?

“The thing was blown out of proportions. All of this, besides being a sport is a big business too. They know in the UFC I did my part of the deal so I don't think we'll have any problems. I haven't signed nothing yet with any org, and as I said – I'm prepared to talk with both sides. I've never been in a sweeter yet more difficult position. Dream offers me more fights, but at the other hand I'm aware of the quality that is in UFC.”

“I really don't know. I have to consider it and see. I don't see why I wouldn't fight in Japan a few fights and then return to UFC. That is also an option. What matters is that I feel great physically. I can almost say never felt better.”

He and the UFC (particularly Dana White) sure see this from different points of view. Mirko may think he has fulfilled his deal with the UFC but Dana sees it very differently and unless Cro Cop agrees to return under the terms originally discussed over the phone I highly doubt he will be fighting for the UFC again, now or in the future.

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I think they just lifted the article translation from MMcube: http://www.mmacube.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=438:cro-cop-clears-things-up&catid=34:mma&Itemid=102

Josh Gross is also hearing from sources that Cro Cop is going to Dream, although he says the deal isn’t finalized yet (funny that Dream is saying Cro Cop signed).

Is “Cro Cop” really leaving the UFC? What happened?
— Ryan Samson, New York
Seems so. According to several sources I spoke with, Mirko Filipovic is close to finalizing a three-fight deal with Real Entertainment, the production company that runs Dream events for FEG. We can get deep into the weeds with this stuff, but the bottom line is the Croatian is more valuable to Japanese promoters than he is to anyone else. Cro Cop’s agent, Ken Imai, has longstanding ties to the old Pride executives who populate Real Entertainment, and all signs point toward Filipovic ending his career in front of the large, quiet crowds in Saitama, Japan.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/josh_gross/06/16/mailbag/index.html?eref=si_writers

Kevin Iole is sticking to his guns on this too:

Cro Cop is absolutely, 100 percent going to fight in DREAM. His quotes were an attempt to save face, because he did not realize that media knew about the situation. He plans to run for political office again in his native Croatia when his fighting days are done and doesn’t want a story in the public that he went back on his word. That, of course, is exactly what he did. He is going to fight for DREAM in July, September and on New Year’s Eve, barring injuries. Bank on that. And also bank on the fact that he will never fight in the UFC again.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-mmamailbag061609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

by who me on Jun 16, 2009 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So, for everyone who said “let’s wait to hear his side of the story”, what do you think now? Seems to me it’s exactly as it sounded, he promised 2 more fights to the UFC and he lied, plain and simple.

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

by ufc4 on Jun 16, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He said he would fight for the UFC again and negotiate deals with them. He never said he would exclusively fight for the UFC or that he would fight two more consecutive times with the UFC.

If he fought for DREAM in the July event, and then again with the UFC after that, he would still be keeping his word, actually.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jun 16, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I tried to make that point the other day. The answer was that he burnt his bridge and Dana would never sign him. I disagree, but just letting you know what you’re in for.

by mythbuster on Jun 16, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He may go back and sign the guy again in the future, well except for the fact that Cro Cop is getting older and doesn’t have a lot of future in the sport left. As for now White has already said too much too publically for him to go back that way now. For him to sign Cro Cop now he would have to admit that he was wrong in all the stuff he said and get into a now public bidding war with Dream and those are two things he’s not going to do. He’s not going to let Cro Cop fight in Dream and the UFC at the same time, when has the UFC let someone have a non-exclusive contract and everyone knows that.

by who me on Jun 16, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

White constantly has mouth-diarhea, this isn’t a secret. He says whatever he thinks is the worst, and most offensive things he can. He rants, he raves, and he changes his mind if he sees profit. That’s business (his way lol).

Cro-Crop being signed by the UFC in the future has to do with whether he will be a marketable fighter, not because of this drama.

by mythbuster on Jun 16, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So when Cro Cop beats a couple cans then gets crushed by Fedor will that make him more or less marketable?

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

by ufc4 on Jun 16, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

why would he care? He’s retiring this year remember

"Like a ballet of violence clothed in fine Brazilian silk." ~ MMASuPreMaCy

by Benicio on Jun 17, 2009 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

like josh gross said, the bottom line is japan is where he draws most and can make the most money. he gets paid a lot more to get crushed by fedor there than to get crushed by cain velasquez here. not only that, just look at the japanese fanbase. they kept supporting sakuraba for how long after he was shot? it was like 7 years.

by nigelzackit on Jun 17, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You’d have to ask a psychic or fortune teller. I don’t pretend to know the future.

by mythbuster on Jun 17, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come on man, you are smarter than that. Do you really think Dana White is going to bring him back if he fights for DREAM now?

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

by ufc4 on Jun 16, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And maybe he didn’t specifically say his next two fights would be with the UFC but anyone who knows how they do business knows that’s the only possible way he would fight for them again, as he said he would.

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

by ufc4 on Jun 16, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have said it before and I will say it again, straight from Mirko and his manager, they said their contract was special and non-exclusive. They have been saying that since January.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jun 17, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They have been saying that but it doesn’t mean it’s true. Of course it may mean they want it to be true but when did he have a UFC contract back in January?

by who me on Jun 17, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They have been saying that but it doesn’t mean it’s true.

Wouldn’t that exact same logic apply to Dana White?

"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn

by Day Man on Jun 17, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So Dana is lying and he’s actually had Cro Cop under a secret “special” non-exclusive contract since January?

by who me on Jun 17, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What it means is that people were under different assumptions, and since there was no contract, there was nothing to tell each party otherwise.

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jun 17, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So they claimed in January they had a special non-exclusive contract but since there wasn’t actually any contract they were confused by what was in the contract? So then the unwritten terms of the non-exclusive special contract in January that didn’t exist led them to different assumptions about the June contract negotiations?

by who me on Jun 17, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do you ever have an answer, or always just ask hypothetical questions?

by mythbuster on Jun 17, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

To be honest for the question of Cro Cop’s non-existant special UFC contract from January no I have no answer for that at all.

by who me on Jun 17, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We both know that’s not going to happen and he knew that wasn’t going to happen, the UFC doesn’t work that way and White never would of even signed him for one fight unless he thought he had a exclusive deal worked out for long term. He’s getting older and when you get down to it White is a vindictive bastard so I just don’t see White going back and signing him again after he’s said the things he’s said, at least not any time soon. After he fininshes a three fight run with Dream it may be too late to make another run in the UFC even if Dana did grow a heart.

It’s White’s fault for not getting it in writing but that doesn’t change the fact that Cro Cop also led everyone to believe that he was in the UFC long term. This was a calculated move (most likely by Cro Cop’s manager) to get both sides to up the ante.

by who me on Jun 16, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only problem with his move is he should have been smart enough to know the UFC isn’t going to get in a bidding war for him, especially when they thought they already had a deal.

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

by ufc4 on Jun 16, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ken Imai is probably used to working this way in Japan but Dana White has a tendancy to run his mouth in public and take this stuff very personal.

by who me on Jun 16, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Imai and Cro Cop didn’t necessarily need a bidding war to up his price to Dream.

http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com

by Mike Fagan on Jun 16, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They just needed Dream to think there was one, I’ve got a feeling signing with Dream was the goal all along.

by who me on Jun 16, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it’s pretty obvious signing with DREAM was the goal all along, considering they already had him booked for July before he fought on Saturday.

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

by ufc4 on Jun 16, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Considering K1 and Dream consistently report on fights being booked before they have actually been booked, it’s not credible evidence. They are too ready to brag and make publicity for their events, perhaps it’s because they are desperate or perhaps it’s their style…

by Donk696 on Jun 17, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think it’s that simple but it definatly seems that he was playing the two against each other and I’ve got a feeling that he was always Dream bound.

by who me on Jun 16, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kevin Iole is just a horrible fucking fraud of a journalist. As far as I’m concerned that’s the only definite thing that’s come out of this story so far.

by FRANKIE on Jun 17, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, but I don’t really trust Kevin Iole when it comes to Zuffa. Too much conflict of interest there IMO.

by Zack Gobie on Jun 17, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So we pretty much found out that Mirko is full of shit, oh well I hope he enjoys whatever is left of his MMA career because he just ruined his reputation with fans after this.

by Raker on Jun 16, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

HA! Lets get real

Dana /= Fans

None of you bashing Cro Cop now were clamoring for him prior to UFC 99. Only time you ever brought his name up was to support your thesis that Pride was somehow overrated. Ruined his reputation with fans . . . Cro Cop isn’t the only one with full of shit comments on this thread.

by bignerd on Jun 17, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Excuse me? None of you is painting with a pretty damn big brush. It’s not a damn UFC fans vs UFC haters arguement, hell most of the people who say they are bothered by this directly state that it has nothing at all to do with Dana White getting worked it’s about what was stated to the fans.

by who me on Jun 17, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hell most of the people who say they are bothered by this directly state that it has nothing at all to do with Dana White getting worked it’s about what was stated to the fans.

Well, then it must be true.

by mythbuster on Jun 17, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What eith your statement: I don’t know will I win UFC belt, but I’ll die trying?
CC: I’m still standing behind those words and I see the best guys are in UFC. Really want that belt, but if my next fight will be after 6 months I don’t see way how to get it. When I said that I thought things would go in other directipn. Belt is my goal, no I want to do minimum one fight, maybe two in few next months.

Have you signed with any other organization? Is Dana White crazy thinking you cheated him?
CC: They are making a litlle bit big deal about all this, we all know this is except sport, big business. And people in UFC know I done my part, and there will be no controversial things. I haven’t signed new deal with any organization, and like I said, I am prepared to negotiate with both sides. I have never been in such a sweet situation, but in other hand, very tuf one. Dream is giving me more fights, and on the other hand UFC has his own qualities.

I have nothing to keep for myself, the thing is very simple, and everything else are just stories. The only two guys how know the truth are Dana and me and that’s that I arranged one fight with UFC. Also I said that after Koeln, we will sit down and see what to do next.

http://www.mmalinker.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=34183

Why is Mirko full of shit?

I’ve said it before. Dana White must be surrounded by liars because any conflict or any issue, whether it be CC or Lorretta Hunt or Jeff Sherwood always results in the person with the opposing view to Dana being accused of dishonesty. Dana on the other hand, has a proven track record of manipulation and trying to influence the public perception of fighters both in and outside the UFC to suit his goals. Add to the fact that this whole situation is fishy with Dana, ’The Fighter Contract Nazi" White allowing CC to fight without a contract and Im siding with CC on this one.

by GeeDub on Jun 17, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dana White

I’ve been watching MMA, primarily UFC, for about 2 years now. Can anyone tell me about how you get the nickname “Dana ‘The Fighter Contract Nazi’ White”?

Also, I’ve seen his “interviews”, rants, but where is this manipulation? Can anyone provide some specific examples?

by Andrewjt101 on Jun 19, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Mirko signed a one fight deal, he did nothing wrong legally.

BUT

Mirko appears to have played fans and press for fools. Is there anyone here that did not think that Mirko was commited to making a run for the UFC HW title?

Some quotes from the conference call:

As Dana explained we talked this one the phone, we did not meet, but this is definitely not the last fight in the UFC for me. Definitely not, you have my word for it.

And this:

UFC was the black spot in my career, in my life, and I’m the man who dedicates his life to fighting sport and I just want to justify the contract Dana White gave me two years ago by calling me when I came from PRIDE. It just bothers me. Like every fighter in the world, in the beginning of his career, motivation for most of them is money and to secure for his life and for his family you know. But today those things are behind me and I have maybe the strongest and best motivation. I just want to return on the top and I just want to prove to everyone, they were wrong.

Mirko played himself up as Rocky. That he wanted to prove to the fans that his past UFC performance was not the real Mirko, that he wanted to make a run for the UFC title.

As I said, Mirko can and should do whatever is best for him, but there was no reason for him to say those things. He worked very hard to get the MMA fans in his corner going into this bout.

by Lynchman on Jun 17, 2009 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

See my post above. He stands by those comments.

by GeeDub on Jun 17, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You go off on White (rightly so, hell he really blew it in this situation) but it seems that Cro Cop’s manager has a pretty darn shady history too, including numerous incidents like this one. Of course Cro Cop is “standing behind them now” this came out public and his reputation is on the line but lets get real is he actually standing behind those comments or is he just saying he is because the story broke public? Is he any more trustworthy than any other source involved in this? Both companies involved in this are directly stating he is signed with Dream.

Now apparently we are all stupid (except supremacy who actually caught on to this one), Cro Cop is already on the next Dream card, the Japanese news media was saying he was signed with Dream the day before UFC 99, a Dream official has told reporters that he is signed with them and most of the people with any sources in the industry (like Josh Gross above) are saying that Cro Cop is heading for Dream. He’s not going with the UFC and it doesn’t even appear that he ever was going to go with the UFC. Hey we don’t know all the facts here, hell we will probably never know them but almost everyone that’s reported on this is saying he is going to Dream.

by who me on Jun 17, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Straight from the horses mouth:

I have nothing to keep for myself, the thing is very simple, and everything else are just stories. The only two guys how know the truth are Dana and me and that’s that I arranged one fight with UFC. Also I said that after Koeln, we will sit down and see what to do next.

All the news reports claiming he is going to Dream can be true, and Mirkos comments above true at the same time.

The most logical explaination for me is that he always had Dream and the UFC as options after the Al Turk fight. If not, why on earth was there a 1 fight deal? After the win, the negotiation process started with Dream and Mirko was expecting to speak with the UFC as well to see if he could arrange to fight more frequently than had previously been discussed. Instead, Dana threw his tantrum and here we are discussing the resulting news stories.

by GeeDub on Jun 17, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hah, since people like conspiracy theories, let me invent one that makes as much sense as everyone elses speculative nonsense and has about the same basis in reality as those. thats my way of saying its probably not true -

mirko signs with dream and is talking with the ufc. dana needs a name on the show to sell some tickets, and crocop is available. he tells crocop that he thinks they can work out a one fight deal with some future fights down the line that allow crocop to fight in japan. after all, trust him – hes never done a one fight contract before amirite? so crocop goes out, fights, dana throws his tantrum just to ice crocop with the american crowd and stir up some controversy about his ‘lying’. he sells the tickets, gives mirko money, and tries to kill goodwill towards the 40-50000 people in the us that actually care about the guy.

see how easy it is to make crazy conspiracy theories or try to reason out of this? not tough. or it could just be that dana isnt being dishonest and really did get taken by mirko crocop.

by nigelzackit on Jun 17, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

I posted the EXACT same theory elsewhere. Perhaps its not so crazy!!! Its consistent with Dana and his desire and ability to manipulate fans and lets be clear………its shady as all fuck, but a smart move. Thats what Dana does well. Builds, manages and controls hype. Creates it for Brock and destroys it for Crocop.

The other benefit of this situation, and a big benefit to the UFC is now the ability to EASILY justify the rigid contractual terms within the UFC. Bet your last penny we will hear Dana in an interview saying “Why would I sign Fedor to a 1 fight contract?? Look at what happened with Crocop. I did the same for him and he poked me!!”

Crocop is an againg star with poor form. He isnt a big ticket item long term for the UFC, after all, they’ve let him go once already. 1 questionable win over Al Turk doesnt boost his stocks much at all. Also of note was just how quickly Dana came out and blasted Crocop. For a guy he loved and trusted so much to offer a 1 fight verbal contract, he didnt even give him the benefit of the doubt or an opportunity to explain things?! This theory explains many little inconsistencies like that.

To be honest, I reckon this conspiracy theory answers more of the obsure questions surrounding this issue and is more consistent with previously demonstrated behaviours that any of the others.

Conspiracies FTW!!!!!

by GeeDub on Jun 17, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

Haha...

Thanks.
=)

by MMASuPreMaCy on Jun 17, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds to me like

from a business standpoint Mirko thinks he is worth way more than he is to the UFC. It also seems to me like while Dana is saying that they agreed to the 3 fight deal they could have actually agreed to NEGOTIATE the 3 fight deal. After all if they had agreed to it why not have it signed? If as I suspect they agreed to negotiate the deal Mirko has done nothing wrong here. I think he was trying to cause a bidding war but I suspect he did want to be in the UFC just thought he was gonna get a lot more than what they were offering.

by xbuckeyex05 on Jun 17, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

There is no place for rationality on the internetz!!!

by mythbuster on Jun 17, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

cro cop used to be a hungry fighter, i just dont think he has it in him anymore…i was excited to see him back in the ufc for 99 but that performance was not that great and it was against a DREAM like can. so if he wants to go to japan and fight a bunch of cans thats cool with me. he couldnt handle any of the top 5 heavyweights in the ufc. i would like to see him rematch overeem but i dont think he will. also if he wants a rematch with fedor thats interesting too. i dont believe he has a chance in hell at beating fedor tho.

by baldspot23 on Jun 17, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Did anyone catch the part in that interview where Cro Cop talks about the eyepoke? What was al-Turk thinking running into his finger like that?

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF AL TURK? IS HE A POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE SURPRISE?
He had a positive impact on me. He started very strong, with wide crosses, trying to get to my chin. Then he tried to shoot for my legs, but I shrugged him off easily. He didn’t have to do that thing with the eye though.

DIDN’T YOU HIT HIM WITH YOUR FINGER IN HIS EYE?
I did. But it was not a strong hit. I literally brushed him. It was more of pushing him away and he just ran in to it. I looked at the judge and he said to keep going. I’m here to fight, right? But there is not a chance that played an important role. He was nearly finished from my strikes before that.

by who me on Jun 17, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow, he is almost as delusional about his fight as Marcus Davis is about his.

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

by ufc4 on Jun 17, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Marcus Davis sure did win two rounds of a three round fight only to lose a decision.

Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

by Richard Wade on Jun 17, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not of that fight against Hardy

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

by ufc4 on Jun 17, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rounds 1 & 3 were close, but I had Davis winning both of them.

by Richard Wade on Jun 17, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"I literally brushed him"

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…………

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

by ufc4 on Jun 17, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Won’t UFC cut him in about 2 weeks?

by bignerd on Jun 17, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope not

Losing a fight because of an illegal blow that the ref missed shouldn’t get cut.

by subo on Jun 17, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The eye poke probably bought him another fight but honestly I haven’t seen anything at all from him yet that tells me that a third fight would help his chances of staying in the UFC.

by who me on Jun 18, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I expect to see him lose to one of the losers of TUF 10 on the finale.

I dislike Matt Hughes.

by MonkeyCHops on Jun 18, 2009 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

According to MMA Junkie, no:

Paul Ivens, Al Turk’s instructor and co-founder of the heavyweight’s London Shootfighters camp, told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that the UFC has offered the English heavyweight another shot – but don’t expect to see referee Dan Miragliotta in the cage next time.

“The UFC has said Mostapha will get another fight.” Ivens said. “It’s kind of one of those things that was confirmed, but we knew would probably happen beforehand as well, going into the fight on short notice and things like that. It’s a tough fight the UFC gave us. Both of the fights have been tough so far.”

Al Turk had been expected to face fellow prospect Todd Duffee on the evening’s preliminary card until Filipovic was brought in on less-than-two-weeks’ notice. Ivens said the combination of the short notice and unfortunate ending to the bout probably both contributed to Al Turk earning a third shot at his first UFC win.

“I think it’s a bit of both,” Ivens said. “I think beforehand we knew that they were going to look after him for taking the fight on short notice – and more-so afterward, as well. The fight was unfortunate.”

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

by ufc4 on Jun 18, 2009 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good

by subo on Jun 18, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I have to agree about Miragliotta, out of all the ref fuck ups we have seen lately with Yves and Maz I think big Dan’s are about the worst.

Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot

by ufc4 on Jun 18, 2009 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He’s the only one with his very own eye poke

by subo on Jun 18, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Al Turk should definitely get a ban or something I think. The more I look at it, the more I realise he actually tried to headbutt Mirko’s fingers which is of course a horrific thing to do that gets you DQ’d. We need honourable honest guys like Mirko in the UFC, not guys who try to trick the referee like al Turk

by StevenGiles on Jun 17, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs