Making a case for a Wanderlei Silva / Rich Franklin rematch
Let me get it out of the way now, I am an unabashed Wanderlei fan for life. He is by far my favorite fighter, the one who got me into the sport when I started watching Pride events back in 2000-2001. As such, this may come off as one-sided argument by an obviously partial fan looking at the situation through rose colored glasses. But I believe that a legitimate case can be made for a rematch of this fight.
Three things jumped out at me at the conclusion of this fight. One, judging overseas has been and continues to be horrendous at best. How anyone can score that fight 30-27 for Franklin is beyond me. Wanderlei obviously won the second round in my eyes, the first and third could be left for interpretation. Second, Wanderlei looked old in this fight. There was an obvious drop off between the Rampage Jackson fight and now. But this point leads to my third point. Wanderlei was visibly the slowest he has ever been in this fight with Rich Franklin. With the realization coming out that he cut 12lbs to make weight on weigh-in day, and never having cut before, he will never be an effective fighter at 185lbs.
The argument is that Wanderlei is well past his prime and all his accumulated damaged over the years is starting to rear its ugly head, that Wanderlei was old and slow Saturday night and its to be expected. But lets examine his UFC fights. He lost a fight of the year candidate decision to Chuck Liddell a year and a half ago. He came back to absolutely obliterate Keith Jardine last May. He then lost a bitter rematch with Rampage Jackson where he got caught throwing wild by a guy who’s hands have improved by leaps and bounds since they had last fought in 2004. Up until that point, his speed and footwork had actually looked improved.
If anyone has ever cut weight, you know what toll it takes out of your body. It can drain you well into the next day if you do not deplete and replenish yourself correctly. With plans of making a bigger drop to 185lbs down the road and still come to the weigh-in at 207lbs leads me to believe that Wanderlei was either not taking his weight cut seriously at all, or he was getting bad weight cutting advice from someone in his camp. The evidence that he had a bad cut was right there at about the three minute mark of the first round, when he looked completely gased out already. Any Wanderlei fan knows that although there are more than a few flaws in his game, conditioning is not one of them.
All things considered I would say that if the UFC actually has Wanderlei’s best interests at heart, which I know is a suspect idea, they would logically see that a drop to 185lbs is not the move for him. A rematch at 205lbs for himself and Franklin offers immediate answers for both fighters futures.
Wanderlei fights at his true weight class and stands an excellent chance of steal a highlight reel knockout and making himself a viable commodity for the foreseeable future. Franklin fights at 205lbs which keeps him far enough away from Anderson Silva for the time and also gives Franklin another viable fight at another dead end weight class for him. As good a fighter as Franklin is, the two fighters that dominated Franklin in his career occupy the two top spots in the two divisions that he can populate. As long as Lyoto Machida is the Light-Heavyweight champ and Anderson Silva is the middleweight champ, Franklin is not a true contender at either weight class. In the absence of a legitimate title run, they need to make viable and interesting fights for a guy who could easily get lose in the shuffle. One of those fights is a rematch with Wanderlei Silva.
I know a lot of my logic depends on how much mileage Wanderlei truly has left in the tank. I saw a fighter in the third round with a lot left to give to this sport, with the proper shepherding. I think the first step in that process is a rematch at 205lbs with Rich "Ace" Franklin.
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Well, honestly I saw the fight 30-27 for Franklin. I may have to see the fight again (for the third time) but I don’t remember a lot of the punches Wandy threw in the exchange were he rushed Rich in the second to have landed.
And to say that since two guys that beat Rich sit a top of the MW and LHW division he’s not a contender is crazy. The only loss at 205 is a close split decision to Hendo (that a lot of people still believes he won). He hasn’t yet faced the others in the upper echelon of 205ers yet.
And the fact that Wandy’s first time cutting this much weight took something out of him doesn’t mean that he should give up trying. Lots of fighters look bad after taking a first bad weight cut but they look way better after subsequent fights. There’s no reason why this couldn’t apply here.
And even though the cut looked like it bothered him, he still fought his ass off. That says something.
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 16, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Heres what I think Wand needs to do, because going back up to 205 just isn’t the right choice. The whole reason for Wands drop was to secure his longevity in the sport, and avoid fighting bigger, stronger, harder hitting opponents.
I truly think Wand should take the rest of the year to make a practice cut to 185, if it goes smoothe, give him a fight on the end of the year card against someone like Chris Leben. I wouldn’t put him against someone who hits as hard as Leben right off the bat, but I love Wand, and want to see him healthy and winning. Not that I doubt him, but I don’t doubt a guy like Leben’s punching power. I think the more time Wand has to train and prepare, the better. And who dosen’t wanna see Wand on the end of the year PPV?
Wandy lost the fight
But he’s far from being done. He does, however, need to leave the 205 division permanently and try his luck at 185.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 16, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions
I don't want to see another catchweight..
I think after the fight, even if wand lost he also had a victory in terms of no one thinks he should retire anymore and people would be real interested in seeing him fight at 185..
I also hope he makes a good cut to 185… Although in their fight, I think his cardio issues came from a broken nose and not really the weight cut..
I really think franklin was right when he said he broke wands nose. It looked like he had some trouble breathing in from the nose after the first round ended, and that could be a big reason for his cardio getting fucked up that early..
I had the fight at 29-28 for Franklin, but it was an extremely close fight and any round could have gone either way. That was one of those fights where I wouldn’t have been suprised if two judges had it 30-27 for different fighters.
It was a close match, and a good one. A rematch? I’m not sure. I wouldn’t mind seeing them fight again, but I’m not sure what purpose it would serve (grand scale).
I see no reason for a rematch. Wandy has dropped 5 of his last 6, most brutally and needs to either retire, go back to 185 or start fighting lower calibre opponents at LHW.
I like Wandy, but even at 185, I think he is in trouble. The BJJ guys at MW pose a serious threat and guys like Anderson and Bisping are too elusive and will pick him apart.
Sadly, I think its all down hill for Wandy here.
dont forget
wand is also a Black belt in jiujitsu and he’s never been submitted..
the guy that i can see submitting him is maia, but they won’t fight since they train together.. I think wand could beat leites..
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 17, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I know he has a black belt, but he has only has 1 submission to his name in 32 wins and not many of the guys he has fought have had any real desire to submit him. If you look at his most recent 2 fights against guys who were probably eyeing the win by submission, you have to go back to Arona and then Yoshida. In both those, Wandy escaped with split decision victories so Leites, Palhares and Maia would be solid chances to defeat him.
But, I’d like to see him fight those guys because Wandys black belt is often spoken of but rarely evidenced in his fights. Imagine he gives up on the striking and starts pulling out all these submissions over the best the MW division has to offer! Now THAT would be some crazy shit!!!

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