Was Caol Uno vs. Spencer Fisher at UFC 99 a Bad Call?

While I won't deem UFC 99's lightweight matchup between veteran Japanese grappler Caol Unoand UFC veteran Spencer Fisher"robbery", the decision does pose questions among fans as to what criteria judges were using to give the decision win by Spencer Fisher. Most fans would likely give Fisher the edge due to their deeply-rooted interest in seeing a guy shell someone with punches, knees, and kicks. The trained-eye of hardcore fans may appreciate Uno's ground acumen in the fight, and his ability to relentlessly work takedowns and utterly stifle Fisher's offense. The problem here is that not all judges are created equal, and therein lies a problem that MMA will likely always have when it comes to very close fights.
After re-watching the Caol Uno vs. Spencer Fisher fight a few times, it's clear that Spencer Fisher won round one. I don't believe there is a debate among fans regarding the round. Rounds two and three are probably the most debatable rounds, and they are very tough to judge. Honestly, a judge who isn't trained in the technical ground aspects that Uno implemented in the match would have no clue as to how to score Uno's "unassuming" style.
For sake of argument, let's focus on rounds two and three. Round two saw Uno eat some punches and kicks from Fisher, but for the most part, he controlled Fisher against the fence to avoid damage. He relentlessly sought the takedown, and while he didn't manage to produce very much damage on the floor, I think Uno gets the nod for the round due to his aggression, control, and damage that he actually did to Fisher. It wasn't an impressive round by any means, but Fisher didn't land any significant damage while Uno pushed the pace and got some takedowns.
Round three is the most controversial round of the fight. Fisher spent most of the round fending off clinches, kneeing Uno against the fence, and trying to land big shots. Fisher landed a solid left and a couple of nice kicks, but there wasn't anything truly significant during the round. Uno's takedown around the 4:15 mark was the most significant action of the round by either fighter, and Uno managed to maintain the mount and land some solid punches. Moreover, Uno was able to keep Fisher from escaping. Personally, I would score the fight a 29-28 decision win for Uno.
This isn't to stir some sort of over-the-top debate as to how horribly wrong the judges were at UFC 99. Shu Hirata over at AdCombat.com pushes the issue however:
Uno was not only the aggressor throughout the fight, but he completely overwhelmed Spencer in the final round. I would have given Fisher the first round, but in the second Uno found his number and wore him down with an incessant attack finding his ground game by exposing his back and easily reversing Fisher, then controlling the second round. In the third Fisher looked like he did not even want to be there, and by the end Uno obviously had won the fight. Uno was as fresh as a cool breeze, took complete control and effortlessly landed a vicious ground n pound attack for which Spencer had no reply. Even before the judges’ announcement, Fisher was nodding his head knowing that he had been beaten and outclassed. Sadly enough, the European judges did not see the fight and gave it to the good ole American boy. Had there been another round involved, Uno would have destroyed Spencer. And by the way, we where not even given the score of the fight; only that it was a unanimous decision.
While I wouldn't go as far to say Uno "took complete control" in the third round, I do believe Uno won this fight. Hirata tries to state that being 'fresh as a cool breeze" matters in the decision, but we all know that it really has no bearing. I will, however, agree that another round may have made this very difficult for a tired Fisher.
What does the decision really come down to? A few things cross my mind. First and foremost, does Fisher's slight edge in the third round's opening four minutes outweigh what Uno did to Fisher in the last forty-five seconds of the fight? Furthermore, how did the judges score the second round? Both those questions hold a lot of water when coming down to a final decision as to who won this fight. If the judges were simply looking at Uno's pulling guard and generally being a pest on Fisher's legs for most of the fight while still actually obtaining some takedowns, I'm sure they probably gave Fisher's striking way more merit.
In any case, this decision wasn't robbery. I can easily say that I could have saw it go to Uno or Fisher, but from my perspective, Uno won this fight. Octagon control and aggression don't seem to come into play unless the fight is so close, those are the final options for judges to rely on. Unfortunately, I think Fisher did just enough to make an impression with his striking on the judges, and Uno suffered because of that.
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My roommate remarked that the first round was the longest round of MMA he’d ever seen. I almost fell asleep at the bar myself. But from what I remember, Spencer deserved the nod.
by MMAEruption on Jun 15, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve watched in a few times now too, and I think it’s pretty clear that it should have been 29-28 Uno.
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by Beer Monster on Jun 15, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s how I had it.
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by AJB on Jun 16, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fisher, by takedown defense
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by thetakeover on Jun 15, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I had it 29-28 for Uno. I was upset at first, but I think in the end it just depends on what judges were judging the fight. Fisher’s takedown defense in the 1st round had me really worried, but it faded halfway through round 2, and Uno’s control during round 3 sealed the deal for me. Ths is why you don’t let it go to the judges.
by kyfm621 on Jun 15, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
UNO got fuckin' ROBBED
it’s no brainer… he got takedowns and got the mount too.
Honestly though there werent much things going on, but Uno was the aggressor. I believe he won every round just by little.
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by chopstickthugz on Jun 15, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Controversy = uncertainty
This is clear cut. As a Spencer Fisher fan, I can say that he lost that fight. Uno controlled, transitioned, passed and acquired dominant position after dominant position. Giving Spencer that fight is close to giving Faber the decision over Brown – sheer lunacy.
by subo on Jun 15, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Preach. This was a robbery no ifs, ands or buts about it
by gunranger on Jun 15, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit, Subo, stop making sense. You’ll ruin your reputation!
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by AJB on Jun 16, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the last 45 seconds of the fight saw Uno inflict more damage than either fight did in the rest of the fight combined. I think the third round was clearly 10-9 Uno.
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by Day Man on Jun 15, 2009 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uno was robbed. Hardy won in his fight against Davis, we had 8 people watching who agreed. But Uno clearly won, even though we were rooting against him, and all of us were baffled when it was unamious for Fisher.
by littlenicky2355 on Jun 15, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is interesting...
I really thought I was in the overwhelming minority on this.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 15, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Were you at the liveblog? I popped in just to say that Uno got robbed.
by subo on Jun 15, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would I be at the liveblog? I was watching the event with friends. Honestly, a buddy and I thought Uno got screwed, but it was such a stalemate at times, I could see how fans would say Fisher won.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 16, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a friend over who felt the same way – I raced in to blog while he was taking a piss to hide my shame
by subo on Jun 16, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, the three drunk guys at my table were pissed as hell, and they don’t even watch MMA consistently. After I explained to them how the scoring system works, they really thought Uno was robbed…and one of them happened to be a big Spencer Fisher fan (don’t know how, because like I said, they hardly watch MMA, but this guy knew who he was for sure. lol) and even then he agreed Uno won.
by kyfm621 on Jun 15, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fisher stuffed a lot more takedowns than Uno landed. When Uno got him down he was able to get up or reverse the position. I would say FIsher won the first 2 rounds on control and Uno won the third. 29-28 Fisher.
by MMAussie on Jun 15, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Breen’s 30-29 score the best.
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by Mike Fagan on Jun 15, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
30-29 Uno, obv.
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by Mike Fagan on Jun 15, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder why more judges don’t use 10-10 rounds.
by Tonley on Jun 15, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because even if a round is 51-49, somebody won.
by subo on Jun 15, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that’s the case, there should be a lot more 10-8’s and 10-7’s.
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by Rundownloser on Jun 15, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always liked that idea but I think it leaves the door a little too open for too many draws. Someone wins a clear round and gets a 10-8, and the other guy wins the last two rounds close and gets a 10-9. Sure the fight was probably a draw, but we dont want half the results being that,.
by SamCupitt on Jun 16, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t really have a problem with draws. I’d rather see deserved draws than undeserved wins and losses.
by FRANKIE on Jun 16, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd.
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by Rundownloser on Jun 16, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec’edy rec. Honestly, what is the point of having things like 10-10 scoring, and draws and majority draw as options for decision, if they never get used? If they were never used because they were so damn rare, that would be one thing. But I’ve seen so many fights where I thought the first and even second round were dead even, and it comes down to who can gut out the superior performance in the “endurance round” that ultimately determines the winner. It’s fair, it happens, and judges are afraid to use it – I think – because draws are unpopular with the crowd (who wants a winner), the promoter (who end up with a pissed off fan base and unclear fighter progression), and the fighters (who feel like they’re screwed out of a win and probably bonus money). But a lack of popularity doesn’t mitigate the fact that some fights (or just some rounds of some fights) are dead fucking even.
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by AJB on Jun 16, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had Fisher
By Knees in the clinch!
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by imapimp08 on Jun 15, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha, I told myself, I bet nobody voted 30-27 for Fisher so I did and I’m the only vote for that lol. Honestly thought I do think Fisher won and I would of chosen 29-28 if I was voting for real. I didn’t really think there was much to debate about. Everyone at my table though Fisher won.
by screenamesuck on Jun 15, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I had Uno winning. But it was close.
by Nick Thomas on Jun 15, 2009 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was definitely close but I thought Fisher won 29-28.
by Ahhhoki on Jun 15, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stifling your opponent is NOT aggression not is it damaging your opponent
Uno showed some great grappling skills but the only damage he did came very late in the 3rd round. His ground and pound was ok but Fisher blocked most of it.I dont think points should be awarded for just stifling your opponent (otherwise Guida would be the pound for pound king). You actually have to do damage. Fisher did the most damage and landed the most, even in the 3rd round.
by naturalist on Jun 15, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's how I felt.
A takedown doesn’t mean anything if you don’t do damage with it. I was feeling good about Fisher but that last min made it a coin flip for me. I’d have to watch it again in slow mo to see if Uno actualy did any damage, but I voted 29-28 King Fish
by fuzzy wuzzy on Jun 15, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly!
Using grappling and getting a dominant position is entertaining if the guy is actually doing that, but I have to give credit to the guy who actually does damage for 14 minutes opposed to the other guy who is hugging for 14 minutes and damaging for 1 minute.
If you wanna do all that go join a BJJ tournament! No one believed me at the bar Spencer had won the first 2 rounds, but they even said the Davis/Hardy fight didn’t let them trust the judges, because they thought Davis won.
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by imapimp08 on Jun 16, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uno landed his own shots. Fisher did nothing but defend. And saying FIsher did more damage in the 3rd just shows bias.
by gunranger on Jun 15, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fisher landed a power left at 4;20 of the 3rd. That was the hardest punch of the round. Plus the king had all of those knees too.. It had more force than any of Uno’s half blocked ground and pound. Fisher was not at all surprised by the judge’s decision. Uno was definetly more worn down.
by naturalist on Jun 16, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The knees had to have been taking their toll on Uno, Fisher was landing them at will and I’d be surprised if he didnt land more knees to the body than Uno landed his ground and pound. I gurantee uno’s ribs are VERY tender, even today!
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by imapimp08 on Jun 16, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had money on Uno + had him winning
The thing is that is was both close and extremely boring. I’d feel bad or would’ve called ‘robbery’ if it was clear Uno beat Fisher. The truth it, I feel like it clearly “out pointed” him which sometimes never works when it comes to the judges of the fight.
Meh.
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by achengy on Jun 15, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One of my bigger parlays would have paid out had Uno won, so I was obviously irrate.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 16, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just as a point of reference...here is what I said in the live blog about the fight
Spencer Fisher vs. Caol Uno – Round 1 – Low kick from Fisher. Shot from Uno is stuffed by a nice sprawl by Fisher. Uno now presses Fisher against the cage. Fisher with some knees while he has double underhooks. Boos are starting as almost the whole fight to this point has been clinching against the cage. They’re restarted in the center of the cage. Left hand just misses for Fisher. Solid outside leg kick by Fisher and now a good uppercut. Uno with another takedown attempt and Fisher defends. Some knees to the body now by Fisher. Back to being pushed against the cage and the crowd isn’t loving it. Fisher landed a lot of knees to the body. 10-9 Fisher. Not an entertaining round. Round 2 – Takedown by Uno and they stand. Another takedown attempt and Fisher defends. Two solid leg kicks by Uno and another shot is stuffed. Fisher lands a knee to the body and then ends up on bottom. Nice sweep to get back to the feet by Spencer. Again they clinch against the cage. I like Uno but this fight isn’t going to keep him on main cards in the future. Takedown attempt by Fisher and uno ends up on top. They end up standing though. 10-9 Uno I guess. This fight is ugly and not very entertaining. Round 3 – Nice left hand by Fisher and Uno immediately tries for a takedown. Not much action at all this round. Fisher unloads with a few punches and a knee to the body and Uno gets a takedwoan and gets the mount. Uno landing some nice shots from on top and Fisher briefly got half buard back but Uno back to mount and he lands some more shots. 10-9 round for Uno and I guess he wins 29-28. Official Scorecards: 29-28 across the board for Spencer Fisher. Spencer Fisher wins by unanimous decision.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 16, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But...
I’ll point out the “decision you think should go the other way vs. a ‘robbery’” difference again here. Uno didn’t do enough to CLEARLY win the fight. It was close and as such there is no “robbery” possible.
and yeah…that was some boring liveblogging by me as I hate, hate, hated this fight.
and also yes…I said “takedwoan”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 16, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
totally agree but i had it Fisher 29-28, i guess??
by fuzzy wuzzy on Jun 16, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the “not robbery” point – the fight was damn close, and as they say, if you don’t want to risk losing, don’t let the fight go to the judges.
Disagree on it being a boring fight. I actually liked it. I think what separated it from a lot of “clinch against the fence” bore-fests for me was the amount of work the two fighters were doing. I really enjoyed the technical back and forth and just thought repeatedly “Damn, these guys are evenly matched!”
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by AJB on Jun 16, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had no problem with this fight from an entertainment stand point.
ANd yeah, I had it 29-28 Uno and I was shocked when they gave it to Fisher.
by SamCupitt on Jun 16, 2009 12:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Based purely on the last minute of the 3rd round I give the round and the fight to Uno, but cant fault anybody for scoring otherwise. A 30-27 Fisher score wouldnt have surprised me.
I didnt find the bulk of the fight boring, but there were times when Spencer had hit back stuck against the cage and you knew it was a stalemate but the ref did nothing. He needed to be in there quicker to break them up when things stalled.
The 1 thing to come out of that fight for me is just how much weight should be given to TD defense coz if you lump together offensive takedowns and takedown defense, I thought Fishers defense was more impressive that Unos offense. How that factored into the scoring or how it should factor in I dont know.
by GeeDub on Jun 16, 2009 6:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uno won that fight. I don’t get it…..This was kinda like that Matt Brown vs Dong Hyun Kim fight except Kim got the nod (deservedly)
by cauliflower_ears on Jun 16, 2009 3:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just didn’t see either fighter win round 2.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 16, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets see them score uno v guida....
i thought it was close mainly because a can never work out how to judge pure grappling where little to none submissions or damage are done.
by Beren on Jun 16, 2009 3:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s true i am biased for fisher. It’s also true there was no clear winner. The most accurate decision would have been a draw. Draw’s are sooooo under represented. I think the sport could earn more dignity with more draws handed out. It’s funny how we think we can immediately and accurately tell which fighter did 48% of the damage and which did 52%. A draw best describes this outcome. In cases like these it’s ok to tell the truth and say “I dont’ know!”
by naturalist on Jun 16, 2009 3:48 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Fisher 29-28
And if this is a bad call, then there are 800 bad calls in UFC prior to that so…
by Sjamaan on Jun 16, 2009 5:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fight Scoring
I’ve never understood how people think just because you get a take down, you should score points. Just because someone takes his opponent down but doesn’t inflict some sort of damage, does that mean they win the fight? Not in my opinion. Uno did inflict damage in the 3rd round but Fisher hit him with knees, elbows and punches in all 3 rounds. You can’t just get a take down and ride a guy out for a majority of the round and say a guy wins that round. The judges got it right.
by jayhoff2000 on Jun 16, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ve never understood how people think just because you get a take down, you should score points.
Because positional control is one of the scoring criteria?
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by AJB on Jun 16, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true, but there are so many ridiculous circumstances to judging.
For instance, a LOT of judges don’t give credit for submission attempts or keeping a guy on the defensive while he’s on top control. If you’re raining down hammerfists, but your opponent is constantly putting you in danger with submission attempts, judges should look at that. Cardella in the WEC is the perfect example of being a guy who crushed people from his guard, yet it always gets overlooked. It’s pretty visible after the fight who won fights in which Cardella was on the bottom. His opponents are usually terrible looking because of the beating they sustained from constant elbows from the back. He also puts guys in danger of the submission a lot.
There are also the judges as you mentioned, who give credit for takedowns in which nothing is really done. The problem here is that there hasn’t been a clear definition of what “nothing” is. Uno still transitioned to better positions while not landing many strikes at all. Do those transitions count? I think they should, but doing no damage on the floor while in the same position should probably warrant no credit. Unfortunately, this is how I view most fights now when I try to determine how judges will score it. Most only care about the takedowns.
Also, the significance of the damage varies from judge to judge. I thought the third round was going to be tight because some judges will put huge emphasis on the knees, elbows, punches, but the fact of the matter is that there really wasn’t anything overly significant. Uno put Fisher down, mounted him, stopped an escape, and had him in danger of being finished. Fisher outstruck him for most of the round, but he never had him in danger of being finished. The last 45 seconds determined that round in my opinion.
But in any case, you make a point that has been made a thousand times, and it only goes along with the same problem we’ve dealt with for years. Judging criteria in the minds of the judges at the events can be completely different from judge to judge. And that sucks.
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