Will Brock Lesnar Be the Greatest UFC Heavyweight Ever? Dana White Says Yes
by Kid Nate on Jun 15, 2009 12:40 PM EDT
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Batten down the hatches kids, the hype for UFC 100 is going to reach reality-distortion field levels. Michael David Smith transcribes Dana's youtube chatter and comments:
"After his first fight there were a lot of questions," White said. "Did he come into the UFC too fast? Should he have gotten more experience in the smaller shows before he got into the UFC? And he absolutely destroyed all those questions in his second outing against Heath Herring. Heath Herring is a guy who has fought all over the world, in the best organizations in the world, been in big fights before, and Brock Lesnar absolutely dominated him. Smashed him, beat him up for three rounds, and that answered all the questions right there about him. That was the day I said this guy absolutely belongs in the UFC, and if he keeps progressing at this level could possibly be the best heavyweight fighter in UFC history."
I think Lesnar is the most talented athlete ever to fight in the UFC's heavyweight division, but my biggest question is whether Lesnar -- who turns 32 the day after UFC 100 -- is just too old to have the kind of long run as the UFC champion that he would need to have in order to be considered the best heavyweight ever.
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Brock's truly an amazing physical talent
but we’ll see how quickly he picks up the game. I’m also excited to see how he handles the new crop of monster wrestlers Dana’s brought in for him.
Maybe the new TUF crew has someone who will break Brock.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
by Kid Nate on Jun 15, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Brock will be one of the most physically strongest Heavyweights in the UFC, but his age plus the wear and tear his body received from professional wrestling will probably not make him the “greatest UFC Heavyweight Ever.” Had he started sooner, it would be a different story, and he will have a couple more great years ahead of him right now, but I don’t think that he will be the greatest ever. Also, there are still SO many unknowns about him such as his mental game and his jiu jitsu game to name a few. For all we know, he may be like Sean Sherk where he starts to think after a few TKOs/KOs that he is a kickboxer, or he may still make rookie mistakes like leaving his arm for the taking of a BJJ fighter (all this is hypothetical). At right now, Lesnar needs to be tested because many would like him to be this dominant champion that makes a very few to no mistakes (like GSP or Anderson Silva and possibly Machida in the future), but in the end we really don’t know how good he will turn out.
by chrisbboy82 on Jun 15, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i see Lesnar as a Roy Jones Jr….his size and athleticism while he’s on top will make him hard to beat…..but when that fades, and it will, he will hardly have the skillset to tough it long term like Noguiera, Couture, et cetera.
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Jun 15, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, like Nogueira who is almost done at what, 32 or 33?
by bigweeze on Jun 15, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no, I think you’re thinking of Little Nog. He’s 33. His identical twin brother is CLEARLY in his late 40s.
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by jemaleddin on Jun 15, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
that and in a recent interview he made it clear that fans to him, are akin to a nuisance. the guy’s a ****. period.
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Jun 15, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Which interview was this? The only time I saw him being a dick to fans was his post-match one finger-salute after his last WWE match.
by dv8shun on Jun 15, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep firing Assholes!
Out out, you demons of stupidity!
by Ubernoober on Jun 15, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easily could be
I remember seeing this guy around 2000 when he wrestled for Minnesota at a dual against Ohio State. He was wrestling Tony Sylvester (later a YAMMA alumni, for what it’s worth) and utterly annihilated him. Mark Coleman was a regular at OSU home duals. I remember making the mental comparison between Lesnar and Coleman (who was likely the best HW MMA fighter at that time) and even then, I could not figure out how Coleman could ever beat Lesnar at anything. This guy was born to hold people down and punish them.
by the exit on Jun 15, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think he certainly has the POTENTIAL to hold the title for a long time (if he gets past mir’s submission skills). but, my concern is how long he’ll stick with the sport. i dont have anything to base it on, but i keep thinking the guy is gonna get bored and move on to something else.
and yes, there are some formidable challengers coming down the pike, but after cain and carwin both got rocked in their last fights, you have to wonder how well they’ll fair against brock’s punching power. time will tell.
by woooburn on Jun 15, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ll agree here. I wonder if he has the interest to continue. What happens when he gets into a fight and takes a beating, will that break him so he says “I really don’t need to get my face smashed in, I’m already rich, I’ve already made history books” and then he moves onto another sport or interest of his.
I’m not really a fan of his, I appreciate him as a fighter because he took his physical gifts and is making the most of them. I just wonder if he has the fortitude to continue fighting when the going gets tough.
by pr0cs on Jun 15, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree. However, I think UFC will be another repeat of their past battle. Mir is too much of a submission specialist for Brock to keep it on the feet. That’s where Brock will lose.
by JAYGK95 on Jun 15, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree with the ‘leave after a beating’ mentality. It is clear that Lesnar is looking for a challenge. He has made that very clear. That is why he left the WWE. He was making money hand-over-fist but was not challenge. It is an act and he wanted to test himself against people in a real fight situation (although MMA is not a ‘real fight’ since it has rules but you know what I mean). I think that if he dominates the UFC that a beating will be the only thing to keep him interested, as opposed to ‘i got beat so I’m leaving’.
As for Mir, he is great no doubt. I don’t think, however, that he will be able to catch Lesnar like that again. Brock was totally destroying him when the ref stood them up for a bullshit ‘hitting the back of the head’ infraction. That allowed Mir to get his bearings but ended up giving him a chance to catch Brock, which he did. Mir has even said that he ‘caught’ Lesnar.
by mightyhokie on Jun 16, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
have to disagree with the ‘leave after a beating’ mentality. It is clear that Lesnar is looking for a challenge. He has made that very clear. That is why he left the WWE. He was making money hand-over-fist but was not challenge. It is an act and he wanted to test himself against people in a real fight situation
Maybe, except he left the WWE and tried out for the NFL. When he failed there, he went to Japan for more Pro wresting, and finally to the UFC.
Just setting the record straight :)
by mythbuster on Jun 16, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If by ‘failed’ you mean ‘was offered a year contract in NFL Europe and rejected it’, then that’s very accurate. Otherwise, you’re just bashing Brock again.
by subo on Jun 16, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
mythbuster bashing Brock? FOR SHAME
by soadtrails on Jun 17, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of fighters are physically talented. I don’t see anything in Brock that makes him any more special than any other wrestling prospect. He has the ability to be a great fighter but you can’t become the best fighter in the world after a couple years, or even 10 years. Maybe Lesnar will be the UFC champion until he retires but that still doesn’t make him the greatest heavyweight (UFC or otherwise) ever.
by Ahhhoki on Jun 15, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There are no physically talented fighters like Brock. None.
And ten years? GSP was the best in the division with five years at the pro level. Fedor won the Pride HW championship at 3 years.
by Foxskinrug on Jun 15, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox is right, Lesnar is NOT your ‘average’ great athlete. He is huge, nothing but muscle, and, more importantly, super, super fast. He is also intense. Name another heavyweight that looks like him, or is as big as him, or as quick as him. You can’t because they don’t exist. Sure, there are HW who weigh as much as Brock, but they are not 5% body fat. Are there ANY heavyweights that are that muscular even at a lighter weight (Lesnar fights at like 280 lb)? There are, however, NO HW, even the 235 lb’ers, who are as fast as this guy.
Lesnar is a freak and from what I’ve read he is a sponge for subs and striking. Even Bas has said that if Lesnar catches on as quickly as it seem he is that he will be ‘trouble…a handfull…for anybody’. If he can become a quarter as good at striking and subs as he is a wrestler then katie-bar-the-door for Brock Lesnar.
by mightyhokie on Jun 16, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heavyweights age better than other weight classes
So 32 isn’t that old. He may get a bit slower but he’ll be strong as an ox for the next 10 years easily.
by Patrick79x on Jun 15, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The quote is reasonable. IF Lesnar continues to improve at the rate he has, he can be the best UFC HW ever.
Lesnar is the best athlete at HW. He’s the biggest UFC HW, and is the quickest and most powerful at the same time. His wrestling credentials are at the top of the HW division. He’s got a very fundamentally sound standup game already (nothing fancy, but effective). If he keeps improving there, and keeps training with top training parntners and Comprido for his BJJ, he’ll be very hard to beat.
by Hardcharger on Jun 15, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its hard to tell with so few fights. Carwin could be faster and more powerful, and I feel that he surely has a better striking game. I really think if no one else can get the job done, Carwin surely will
by Flyghtt on Jun 15, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carwin most certainly isn’t quicker or more agile. Things like that are noticeable in nearly any fights. Power would be close. Carwin may have better strikes now, but his striking defense needs work. I wouldn’t pick Carwin to beat Lesnar.
by Hardcharger on Jun 15, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t know. Carwin has looked very fast. I don’t know if the Ganzaga fight is a good representation of his overall skills. He said himself it was his first big fight and he was feeling the pressure more than ever.
by Flyghtt on Jun 15, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that worries me about Carwin is his cardio. The fact that he has never been out of the first round means it has never been pushed. In the Gonzaga fight which lasted i think all of 90 seconds, he was still huffing and puffing in his post fight interview back at the locker room. It could have been all because of the broken nose but who knows.
by MMAussie on Jun 15, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carwin could be faster and more powerful
Ummm what?
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by Day Man on Jun 15, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Poll should have a "Good Possibility" or similar option.
I don’t think that it’s a given, but he has a pretty good shot at it. He’s a freak.
by Patrick79x on Jun 15, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
agree 100%
i only voted yes because it was the closest but an option of “good possibility” would have been nice
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by funnytiger on Jun 15, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did the same.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 15, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well of course he COULD be, that’s not the point. There are probably half a dozen guys in the division right now who could be, the point is wether you think he WILL be or not.
Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot
by ufc4 on Jun 15, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he has a better than 50% chance.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jun 15, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think guys with serious striking power could give lesnar problems. I voted not a chance but I would have liked a good possibility, but he has a little more to prove.
by Dropkick434 on Jun 15, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there should be a “slight possibility.” Also a “better than good, but not certain – you know, pretty good – I’d say a little better than even money possibility” choice. :-)
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by jemaleddin on Jun 15, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just about to mention that I didn’t like any of the options above, but this one works for me.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jun 15, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brock
has the 2 things you need to succeed, athletic ability and drive. He is as big as they come in the HW division and still moves on his toes. Hes as strong as anyone in the division. His wrestling is amazing. I doubt anyone would want to stand up with him given his reach and how hard he punches. What he lacks in technique he makes up for in size/athletic ability I would put on par with Jon Jones.
The scary thing is how much he has progressed since his first fight. He is locking himself in a barn in the woods training and it shows. The guy is always in shape (cant say that about a lot of the HW guys) and is just mean.
Im not claiming to be a fan, and I dont want to see it happen, but Im afraid it will.
2 years from now we will be screaming for Dana to make a deal with Fedor because no one in the UFC can touch Brock.
by ryanwk628 on Jun 15, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dog with big tongue = funny
I get it
by Patrick79x on Jun 15, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of Brock’s success will depend on how well his body holds up. Brock’s WWE career wasn’t terribly long but pro wrestling is absolutely brutal from a physical standpoint due to the insane schedule. There is a reason those guys so frequently develop problems with painkillers and other controlled substances.
One thing I’d like to see is him do is hold it together mentally through a war. He was well-composed against Heath Herring, but before he caught Randy, he looked quite discouraged at times.
Incorporating some basic submissions that play off his strength would also go a long way towards a dominant run for Brock. I can’t imagine how hard he could crank a kimura or Americana if he took advantage of his positional wrestling.
by MMAEruption on Jun 15, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of Brock’s success will depend on the opponents Dana gives him.
Fixed it for ya. 
by mythbuster on Jun 15, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t really complain about the guys Brock has faced. Despite Brock’s inexperience, he hasn’t received the Roger Huerta treatment at all. Mir, Herring, and Randy are all legit. I’d absolutely love to see a healthy Nogueira fight Brock though.
by MMAEruption on Jun 15, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would have happened if he’d beaten Mir.
As long as Brock is champ, he’ll fight the top competition. Every time he isn’t champ, I’d expect the UFC to give him guys like Kongo so he can win impressively and get back into title fights.
by Foxskinrug on Jun 15, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m beginning to get the feeling that you might be operating under some anti-Lesner bias.
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by Day Man on Jun 15, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he gets by Mir, and Dana hands him Nog or Couture, that’s handing him wins. He will, of course, remain a dominant champion if Dana feeds him easy fights. I don’t think my dislike of Lesnar makes that less true.
by mythbuster on Jun 15, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nog is still a top five heavyweight. That’s not an easy fight.
by subo on Jun 15, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is my opinion as well although I’ve been informed that Nog is not the same fighter as he used to be and should be considered an easy fight. At this point if Lesner beats Nog its because hes too old, if he beats Carwin its because Dana handed him an inexperienced fighter with no submission skills, if he beats Cain it will be because Dana handed him an opponent that has very suspect stand-up defense.
Other than Fedro who can he beat that would not be considered Dana protecting him?
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by Day Man on Jun 15, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much nobody.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jun 15, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is having him fight the top contender feeding him easy fights? The guy who has earned the title shot should get it regardless.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jun 15, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t consider either Couture or Nog a top contender. They are both coming off losses, for one thing…
by mythbuster on Jun 15, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like its Fedro or bust
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Jun 16, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or the wonder that is Josh Barnett (who NEVER takes easy fights)
by subo on Jun 16, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Carwin, or Cain, or any of the other current contenders.
But I know, he might actually lose to one of them, better to keep tossing him old guys. Hey, maybe he’ll get Tank Abbott next!
by mythbuster on Jun 16, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To the current HW champ and interim HW champ. They’re both ranked in the middle of the top 10 in their weight class. The winner of that fight is a top contender whether you care to recognize them as such or not.
Bolts from the Blue // "Game over." - Jamal Williams
Bloody Elbow // "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken
by Richard Wade on Jun 16, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially with Andre and (most likely) Barnett taking losses
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Jun 16, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I’ve said many times, those rankings rarely make sense to me. But Tim Sylvia is #8 so he must be awesome, right? Amirite?? Cuz teh rankinhz meanz sumthin!
So I happily admit that I don’t take the rankings as seriously as some others do. And I also happily admit that I consider the winner of the “losers bracket” (as someone else put it) to be an easy “gimme” fight for the for the current champ.
by mythbuster on Jun 16, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t believe he looked the least big discouraged against Couture, watching the fight again yesterday. Randy did a few things that were right along with his gameplan, but Brock never panicked, never exerted more energy than needed, and never got desperate even when taking a couple shots standing from Randy.
Above anything, I was impressed with Brock’s striking and composure on the feet against Couture, who has good standup and movement for a HW fighter.
by Hardcharger on Jun 15, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets see him win 2 or 3 fights then get back to this. whats the rush?
by nigelzackit on Jun 15, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Isn't the more important question
Who is the greatest UFC HW ever?
I think that question has to be answered with Randy Couture. But Couture has never really been a dominant champion. He’s just always won the underdog battles.
So if the question is can Brock be the best HW ever I think the answer has to be ‘Yes’ sure he can. I see him holding the belt for awhile. If he doesn’t get caught by Mir or Nog then he should bear everyone else. Carwin has a punchers chance but I think Brock is more athletic.
Cain isn’t yet well developed enough and he’s a tad undersized when compared to Brock.
by rainmaker6 on Jun 15, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Couture is the standard
Definitely the greatest UFC heavyweight, the only other UFC heavyweight champs to have more than one successful title defense were Arlovski and Sylvia, who are hard at work destroying their legacies.
Their really hasnt been a “dominant and UFC” heavyweight champ. But Couture did win 4 consecutive UFC heavyweight title fights, before losing to a roided up Barnett. Though his contract disputes kept them from being truly consecutive fights.
So the question is will Lesnar one day be considered a greater fighter than Randy Couture ever was?
by Graven Image on Jun 15, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The unknowns:
Submission Technique? He can get away with explosive power and careful positioning for a while. I’m not sure Mir will be able to catch a careful Lesnar from the bottom.
Chin? Shrugging off a Carwin dynamite fist would be reassuring.
Cardio in the 4th and 5th round? We’ll have to see if someone can try to push the pace, since he doesnt look like he’s getting winded from holding his opponents down.
Can anyone put him in a bad position? Who will be the first to put Lesnar on his back and can they keep him there?
I have a feeling Mir v Lesnar 2 will look a bit like Gonzaga v Carwin.
by Graven Image on Jun 15, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shrugging off a Carwin power shot would be reassuring for you but it would be piss-their-pants terrifying for the rest of the heavyweight division.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Jun 15, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m calling it right now: Lesnar is going to destroy Mir. Mir is going to be WAY too overconfident in his standup after the Nogueira fight.
by MMAEruption on Jun 15, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There is no way you can call it now – we haven’t seen Dana’s UFC 100 vlog yet.
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by lovingmma25 on Jun 15, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Brock to be called 'the best ever'
He’s gonna have to have a huge streak , maybe not as big as Fedor’s but yeah , something around 8 straight wins I’d say , which at the rate he’s fighting (twice a year? maybe even less?) is 4-5 years …as athletically gifted as he is , he’s not superman – one of the guys will catch him by KO or sub JMHO. But that still doesn’t hurt his status or his ability to become one of the all time greatest , just not THE greatest …
But if you wanan compare him to UFC heavies only , then yeah , maybe even 4-5 straight wins is enough since the UFC never had a really dominant heavyweight ever.
by JoelMan on Jun 15, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait, 2 straight wins isn’t enough to declare him the best of all time? How much proof is it gonna take? :-)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jun 15, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, forget Joel’s suggestion that he win 8 straight. I’d be happy if he had 8 FIGHTS TOTAL before we crown him best of all time.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jun 16, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Couture exposed one of Lesnar's major reasons for early success
After their fight Couture talked about how amazingly long Lesnar’s arms are. He surprised Mir with a straight right, surprised Herring with a straight right. I suspect both guys thought they were out of range only to learn they were not. Couture directly said after his fight that he thought he had the punch that knocked him down slipped but Lesnar’s arms just keep going. As people get more tape on Lesnar and get more of a feel for where his range is I think things will get tougher for Brock. He’s still a beast and an athletic freak, but, learning what you have to do to stay away from the canned hams he has for hands certainly will help.
by jrobb20 on Jun 15, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There were 80 comments before but only 40 now, did I miss the fun?
by Phildo on Jun 15, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmmm
seems the thread was deleted, but I wanted to post this to agree with whoever said that Mir’s submission came from a mile away. I only wish it showed about 5 seconds earlier too, when he was clearly setting it up.
by mythbuster on Jun 15, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That sub was a thing of beauty that’s the thing that many people are forgetting about Mir is that he can sub you from anywhere at anytime Brock won’t be safe from Mir at any point in the fight.
by Raker on Jun 15, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its going to be interesting to see him try but I just don’t see how anyone is going to be able to lock in an arm bar, kimura or a choke on him. Leg locks were a given considering the his relatively smaller legs and the counter-intuitive escapes to those holds.
Will Brock make the same mistake twice? Its possible. I tend to think that he has probably been spending a lot of time on his submission awareness and escapes since that fight.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Jun 15, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unless Mir wants to show off his “world class” striking, I see the second fight going the same way. Brock Lesnar is overrated.
by grein on Jun 15, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His longevity is in question, but Lesnar by murder next month.
by subo on Jun 15, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking it will be Mir by rear naked choke or armbar from guard, but I’m hoping he stands up with Brock and strikes from the outside, using those sick lead uppercuts he used on Nog.
Definitely not counting Brock out though. This one should be a doozy.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 26, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Lesnar vs Mir 2 , wasn’t there supposed to be another series of UFC Primetime ? I was really looking forward to it but with UFC 100 only 4 weeks away I haven’t heard of anything yet.
by termin8r199 on Jun 15, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, especially with GSP/Alves on the same card but I’m assuming it’s not happening. Kind of disappointing, apparently Zuffa was disappointed that 94 didn’t get over a million buys like they were thinking it would.
Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot
by ufc4 on Jun 15, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my question
Who IS the greatest UFC HW ever? It’s not like the division has a long and storied history like the LHW division. I guess it has to be Randy since he has won it 3 times but it’s not like he has any long title runs like Chuck Liddell or Matt Hughes did. The division is riddled with champs who were stripped of their title because of positive steroid tests, the inability to defend due to injury, retirements, and contract disputes. The most defenses in a row anyone has ever had was 2. The point is it wouldn’t take a whole lot for Lesnar to be the greatest ever and I think he definitely has what it takes to do it. Wether he does or not is of course impossible to say but I think he has a great shot.
Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
Walla walla walla, I’m an idiot
by ufc4 on Jun 15, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Randy is the best
Keep firing Assholes!
Out out, you demons of stupidity!
by Ubernoober on Jun 15, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m so rooting for Frank Mir at UFC 100. I really hope he can pull it off.
by goodbones on Jun 15, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m on the Mir train too. The Nog fight and the speech afterwards put me over the top. That’s the way I like my champions to talk and act. Regardless of Nog’s condition during the fight, Frank showed us all what kind of fighter he can be when he’s focused, and it’s a pretty awesome sight to see.
If he continues on the way he does, he has the potential to become a great legend of the sport. The guy’s getting his second chance at life, and I think he appreciates it and is trying to make the most of it. Good for him.
Brock is a freakin beast though, so if Mir doesn’t beat him, I think Carwin might be the only other guy (currently in the UFC) who could dethrone him. Everyone else is gonna get chewed up and spit out by him.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 26, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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