The UFC Should Consider Re-Signing Tim Sylvia and Andrei Arlovski
I know, I know. That headline made a few of you gag. But why don't we start with a comment by Kid Nate yesterday:
They should re-sign Sylvia and/or Arlovski
I’m serious. You know those guys are a lot more affordable than they were just a few months ago.
AND they’re good enough to be a test for any heavyweight — any heavyweight without one punch KO power that is!
This makes a LOT of sense honestly. Right now both guys have no bargining power so the UFC could go into negotiations by saying "THIS is the deal we're offering. We're not going to have any back-and-forth. If you're not willing to take it we're done here" and just offer a small deal with some significant incentives for winning fights.
These guys still have name value for the casual, PPV buying audience and provide that mid-tier heavyweight that is missing from the UFC heavyweight division. Yeah, both of them are coming off of bad losses in their last few fights but let's be fair. Both guys, when motivated, are dangerous tests for most heavyweights on the planet. Andrei is still a very tough fight for anyone. Sure his chin is a problem but he gave Fedor a tough fight before getting caught and lucky for anyone who wants to negotiate with him he got clipped by Rogers.
What is even better is that either guy is actually still capable of making a run in the division. When he is on his game and in shape Big Tim has the ability to use his size and style to beat most guys in the world. Why not sign two guys with SOME value and a lot of skills for the lowest price possible?
Oh, and the one rule to this idea? NO FOURTH FIGHT BETWEEN THE TWO!
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I honestly don’t know if I could get excited about either one of them back in the UFC, but I guess if you put Sylvia against Kongo and Arlovski against Stojnic – I’d watch
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
Yes to Arlovski no to Sylvia. Nobody likes Sylvia.
by AlwaysRelaxing on Jun 15, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is a good idea...
Why not? Their value has dropped, and casual fans still know who they are. You can throw them in against lower-echelon talent, and if they manage to build up a solid record in the UFC and improve, it’s a win-win. If they lose, you can promote younger talent with big wins over known names like AA and Sylvia. I don’t see how you can lose.
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and it can't be stated enough...
this is probably the highest ratio of “guys with name recognition and talent” vs. “absolutely no bargaining power” ever
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 15, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. And another big thing is… how many casual fans actually will see this whole Ray Mercer ordeal? I mean, honestly… Sylvia was never a draw anyways. He’s a name that they can push up against up-and-comers. Hell, you can pit them against each other again and it’d probably draw. AA still has some drawing power, so I fail to see how this is a bad idea at all. I think the UFC should do it.
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by Leland Roling on Jun 15, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
man that is some epic shit right there
the MMA gods punished us all with that fight.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
just throwing this nonsense out there…
i absolutely see the merit in this argument, but i wonder if (even after the brutal losses they’ve both suffered recently) they’d actually bite the bullet and come back to the ufc, to fight for less.
sylvia, after all… thought it would be a good idea to fight RAY MERCER. unless that loss suddenly knocked some sense into him, he’s probably surrounded by people who think he “got caught”, and will continue his downward spiral… fighting the shamrocks, guidas, and abbotts of the world. maybe a fight against lashley for good for measure.
and as much as i like arlovski, i feel like his time has passed. i’d rather see him hang it up than get knocked out again. i think he has too much pride to take a gatekeeper position, and too much self doubt to make a solid run at the title. i have always wanted to see him fight mir though.
Arlovski – yes, but Sylvia no.
If I’m a top 20-30 HW, I want nothing to do with Tim Sylvia. Fighting him is the ultimate lose-lose situation.
that was just terrible
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by lovingmma25 on Jun 15, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts exactly. Tim has reverted to a style that would not be described as crowd friendly (at least when he’s not getting destroyed in under a minute) and I think that fighting him, even winning, would do more harm than good for the rising heavyweight prospect. And God forbid you lose.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jun 15, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno. The UFC HW division has enough credibility problems as it is. If they bring Timmeh and AA back and they actually do well, which is a definately possible, it just belittles the entire HW division. Why risk that possible tarnishing when the UFC hype machine is quite capable, and well into the process of creating their next batch of stars in Cain, Brock, Carwin, Dos Santos…..etc.
well into the process of creating their next batch of stars in Cain, Brock, Carwin, Dos Santos…..etc.
And these are two guys that can build them up. I mean, I think every guy you named (aside from Santos) probably beats either Arlovski or Sylvia. Plus would having 2 guys who have been in the top 10 for like 2-3 years really damage the credibility of the UFC?
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 15, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Just having the 2 guys in the roster wouldnt hurt but signing 2 guys coming off consecutive brutal KOs would be a new approach for the UFC. If they sign guys coming off non UFC wins, its win/win for them coz if the signee keeps winning, the UFC is a recruiting specialist and identified the talent and if they lose it reinforces the idea that the UFC is where the best of the best are and the signee couldnt cut it.
If they sign guys coming off multiple losses, especially guys with the potential of AA and Timmeh, and they actually do well, it looks like the UFC is a place where guys who cant make it outside the UFC come for a payday. It devalues their brand. On the flipside, if they get their asses beat, people will ask why they bothered signing them coz they are shit and washed up. I dunno, just seems like an unecessary risk to me will little reward.
that is a good point. What if by some ridiculousness, AA or Timmeh actually end up going on a streak. Then the UFC looks like a joke because Fedor owned them, and they’re (hypothetically) mopping up UFC heavyweights.
by CliChe Guevara on Jun 15, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...
all it would show is that the obvious #1 heavyweight is better than everyone else.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 15, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
What about bringing Tito back as a Heavyweight?
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
Tito wouldn't go for that, he's way too small
He’s made a career out of being the bigger fighter. He doesn’t have the skillset to fight as the small guy.
I think it would spice things up a bit
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
Ok, and – I want to see Tito fight Brock – what’s wrong with that?
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
Why do I have to dislike Tito to want to see him fight Brock? Why can’t I dislike Brock?
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
No one who wants to to see Brock and Tito fight has any regard or liking for Tito. Anything can happen in a fight, but that would likely be a one sided beatdown by ole dick chest.
ole dick chest.
I hope thats not fighter bashing. I would really love it if that became his nickname. That is fantastic. Makes it sound like he is a mythical beast.
I’m not sure they need them any more. I think there are enough compelling HW bouts for the rest of the year and with luck the next season of TUF will only add to the roster with a few fighters that would be worth watching.
I don’t want to see Sylvia fight again.. ever.. and Arlovski seriously hurt his value in the Rogers fight.
I don't think...
that if the UFC didn’t bring it up…that the majority of the PPV buying audience would even know about the Rogers or Mercer fight
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 15, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
You are correct.
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by Kelvin Hunt on Jun 15, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
That Shouldn't Be The Point
It shouldn’t be about whether the PPV buying audience knows about those fights.
You do, I do and the rest of us who actually care about the sport do and bringing in either of these guys – especially Sylvia if you ask me – would be a kick in the balls to the people who really love the sport and follow it at the expense of the name recognition for the morons who “boo” the minute a fight goes to the ground.
by E. Spencer Kyte on Jun 15, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
This would seriously hurt the UFCs credibility as having “the best fighters in the world”. Basically Dana was saying before that he was glad at least Tim Sylvia went to affliction because he sucks – and now that he’s been destroyed twice they should re-sign him? With the type of branding efforts the UFC has made this just doesn’t make sense
It might not be so bad with AA. He was “winning the fight” against Fedor before he “got caught”.
by CliChe Guevara on Jun 15, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Fat Tim looks a bit like Jamie Varner.
by Jahbulon on Jun 15, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe if Jamie Varner ate the old Tim Sylvia
by Flyghtt on Jun 15, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." --George W. Bush, The Decider, Lancaster, Pa., Oct. 3, 2007
by lovingmma25 on Jun 15, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
less hair too
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by lovingmma25 on Jun 15, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess the last year of sitting around the house for Tim Sylvia was done with a beer in one hand and a bag of chips in the other.
I think he misunderstood people when he was told he could make lots of money by just ‘demolishing cans’!!
by GeeDub on Jun 15, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
more fighters strengthen the division. im all for it. better that we get arlovski/cain than kimbo/cane.
Kimbo vs. Sylvia
I like the idea of Kimbo vs. Sylvia at the TUF finale! C’mon…who wouldn’t watch that?
by MMAMoneyLine on Jun 15, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm alright with it.
I’m definitely alright with the UFC signing these 2. Remember, Frank Mir was a scrub getting pounded out. Everyone is capable of a comeback.
They problem with bringing Sylvia back is he is not that talented and he is huge and a great way to make someone look bad. He will never be a top guy again and he makes upcoming guys look bad because they are striking up and if they are smaller he just smother them Vera style.
I like Sylvia v. AA 4. Why not Brent? Why not on the undercard of a fight night?
I can't sit through another Sylvia/AA fight. I just can't do it
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 15, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Affliction would have to go kaputskies first.
And the first two AA/Sylvia fights were awesome, the third one only stank (an exaggerated stink btw) because Arlovski fucked his knee short way into the fight and couldn’t really do anytihng. That left Sylvia to be Sylvia and in the end I still reckon AA won that fight.
You must be forgetting the pee-pee-pee taste comments…THE FIGHT IS ALREADY HYPED!
But they already have destroyed the pee-pee thing...
he clarified that it is not what he ever said
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 15, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
signing these 2 would be a horrible move for the ufc…dana should be thankful he was able to get out of them what the company did…they’re both washed up (maybe aa has a few more fights in him but i wouldnt pay him to be ko’d in the first)…both never were really that good anyway, focus on young talent and bringing in that fedor guy
I actually think this is a really good idea. It gives the UFC two proven commodities to test prospects against and brings quality to a division that sorely needs it. If nothing else, it provides a bridge between the up and comers and the elite of the division. Not that Sylvia or Arlovski are that far removed from the elite anyway.
I like seeing Sylvia get beat up. Bring him back. That’s like the one matchup where I could cheer for Brock.
Andre…I dunno. I’d like him to stay away from UFC long enough for Buentello to get a rematch. Arlovski really needs to take a a long time off. I don’t think he really recovered from the Fedor fight, mentally or physically. Super knockouts change you…think rashad/chuck and gonzaga/crocop.
only their last fight was bad
their 2nd fight was a classic and the first one was just fine for Andrei.
"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"
Let’s not forget it was not that long ago that Syliva was pummeling NOG before getting tapped … He could still do some damage if he sorts his diet and regime out again …
NO
A Dr would not clear either of them as both their brains have shook loose and now they have Post Concussion Syndrome. Its sad really, but hey, 4oz gloves will do that.
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The I told you so factor is massive! White will never let Sylvia back after the Mercer fight. And who is AA going to beat? Why does the UFC need AA and Big Tim?
to test their up and comers
what the ufc is missing is that upper tier of gatekeepers. They’ve got Herring, Kongo, and Gonzaga for the mid-level gatekeeping, but I think they could use a couple of near top tier guys for the young bucks to test themselves against. And Sylvia and Arlovski can both punish someone who’s not ready for top level striking.
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by Kid Nate on Jun 15, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you, I don’t know why people can’t grasp this idea. This isn’t UFC Undisputed, with a 25 man weightclass, and you end up fighting each fighter 2-3 times, and like 5-6 times when your at the top…the real thing should NEVER work like that. Ever. That would just be idiotic, and right now, the HW division is looking pretty damn smiliar. Why do you think they’re doing a HW season of TUF?
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 15, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I Don't Get It?
Please help me understand. You want to pay AA or Big Tim around $200,000 on the low end $75,000 to test up and comers?
by Erich Vowell on Jun 15, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana basically said no to Tim today, tore him a new one.
Andrei makes some sense, Tim has shamed the sport. Really, he just stinks up cards and only has entertaining fights when he’s losing. He’d do more harm than good, decisioning some young prospects and derailing them with no upside to his wins.
Arlovski at least has exciting fights, I’d like to see him fight Junior Dos Santos.
"Dana basically said no to Tim today, tore him a new one."
yeah? if you have a link to an interview, i’d love to check it out.
Dana wouldn’t hesitate at this point, at least for Arlovski. Tim needs to get serious and win a few before Dana would ever consider him again.
Where did all these guys come from who are saying Dana wouldn’t do that? Dana wouldn’t sign anyone to a one fight deal, but he did with Crocop, so let’s quit putting Dana in a Dana White stereotype (Ha). You say theres no point in bringing them in? Did you even read the articles posted the other day about how too many Heavyweights are getting fast tracked and they need some more fights? Arlovski and Sylvia would be great gatekeepers, and who knows, maybe they could get their fire back?
Man, think a little bit guys, it’s pretty obvious why it would be a good idea for Dana to sign them again.
It’s been pointed out a few times but Frank Mir had an awful 2 year stretch. Washed up is jumping to conclusions.
Each are coming off two losses but for each the 1st loss involves Fedor.
Mercer in a stand up battle was just ridiculous idea equaled by Tim’s stupidity of not even staying in shape. I’d say Tim needs to get his body back in shape and put together a win or two before being let back in. I’d say he needs to demonstrate a change in style too, no more boring Tim.
Arlovski got KO by a big, powerful guy in Rogers . . . that’s just MMA. One encouraging thing about Arlovski is he mentioned that he needs to rededicate himself to MMA going back to heavy wrestling and BJJ training.
The problem with Sylvia is that he was never very liked to start with, it’s not like Mir who was on the comeback from a horrible injury, even when Tim was dominant in his division he really wasn’t very well loved by fans. Casual fans probably will never see the Mercer fight but then the casual fans never really big fans of Tim Sylvia anyway. He could make a big comeback but he would have to come a long way and he really doesn’t look like his mind (or body) is into it anymore. I’ve got the feeling that he may of not left the UFC on very good terms this last time too.
Arlovski is a different situation entirely, he always had a good following and he has huge talent. I would by no means count him out, heck he really doesn’t need to make a comeback at all he just needs to keep on fighting tough competition like he’s been doing. The problem with him going back to the UFC is that they wouldn’t let him box and he’s already signed with Golden Boy as a boxer. He just might not be able to negotiate for a exclusive UFC contract any time in the near future.
Frank Mir was also in a pretty terrible accident.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 15, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
They both have to come into the UFC coming off of a win. Gotta pay your dues again, boys.
by Derek Suboticki on Jun 15, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions
What is even better is that either guy is actually still capable of making a run in the division. When he is on his game and in shape Big Tim has the ability to use his size and style to beat most guys in the world. Why not sign two guys with SOME value and a lot of skills for the lowest price possible?
Neither guy is capable of making another run in the UFC, they have both proven that they are more interested in other crap than being the best mma fighters that they can be.
Sylvia disgraced himself and all of mma by being a fat slob and getting ktfo by a washed up boxer who got beat up by Kimbo, Dana would laugh his ass off at the thought of Tim being back in the UFC.
AA lost any shot he had at coming back to the UFC when he got ktfo by a no name fighter, and unless he picks up 3 straight wins in other promotions Dana won’t touch him either.
The UFC HW divison has moved past both men who were more interested in boxing/money than being the best and now both have no mma career that should be an example at others in the future not to take the same road as them.
AA is still one of the best heavyweights in the world and would have a solid chance against any current UFC heavyweight. His chin will always be a problem but if guys like Justin McCully are in the UFC, surely AA can get another shot.
As for Sylvia, I have no interest in seeing him fight again let alone seeing him fight in the UFC.
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I like Tim sylvia, actually no (of course), but I just can’t hate on him, I don’t like to pick on that kind of guy. I feel sad for him, even when he looks happy.
As a few have said, I don’t think there’s any way Sylvia comes back to the UFC, at least not without a couple wins where he proves to actually have the drive to get back in shape and not make a fool of himself in the cage. Arlovski would be interesting, he would be a good test for some of the younger guys and he’s enough of a name that even if they lost they could still come back to make a title run.
Due to Cheick Kongo's atrocious takedown defense....
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