Report: Mirko Cro Cop Denies Signing With DREAM
by Kid Nate on Jun 15, 2009 7:54 AM EDT
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According to a translation posted on the Sherdog forums, this Croation news account has Cro Cop denying that he signed with DREAM:
ZAGREB - The same Saturday night in which Mirko Filipović in only three minutes TKOed Britain Mostapha Al Turk, President of American Organization UFC Dana White without any argument accused the Croatian master of the ultimat fighting for the fraud and hypocrisy.
Ten days ago Dana White and Cro Cop have a phone made arrangements for the duel on the UFC 99 tournament in Cologne Lanxess Arena, leaving open the possibility that cooperation prolongs for the two further tournaments. However, the head of the UFC on Saturday felt fooled because he thought that the Croatian gladiator signed a new contract with the Japanese Dream....
Before we accuse Crocop for hypocrisy, let us see what lays below Dana White's empty phrase of honor. UFC leader is angry because Mirko, just as Fedor Emilianenko, the best MMA fighter in the world, did not agree to perform only twice in the next 12 months.
However, it is not true that Cro Cop signed with Dream. We have learned that Mirko Crocop still did not sign neither with Dream nor with UFC, and that he is ready to discuss any offer. Moreover, Mirko expected after the victory in Cologne immediate talks with Dana White about the new contract and is surprised by the accusations of UFC's president.
"I don’t know why White listened to the roumors instead of talking to me. I hoped that we will talk about a continuing of our collaboration, because the only obstacle was the long period between two fights that has been offered to me. I don’t want to sit at home so long and waiting that someone calls me for a figh. However, I am grateful to Dana White for an opportunity to fight in Cologne and despite his harsh words, I don’t see the reason that we don’t prolong the contract – explained Mirko after returning from Germany.
White gave Crocop the opportunity to fight in Cologne to use his charisma of the most popular European fighter and suggested two more bouts, under the condition that he doesn’t fight for other promotions. Because Dream offered him also three-fights contract, but in the next 6 months, why shouldn’t Mirko take some time to consider what is better to him?
Hard to parse this all out. I certainly wouldn't consider it out of the question for Dana White to have flown off the handle without confirming with Cro Cop first. I certainly wouldn't consider it out of the question for the Japanese media to have gotten the story wrong -- or more likely for the DREAM promoters to feed them misinformation. And I wouldn't put it past Cro Cop and his management to have pulled a fast one on both Dana and DREAM -- they've got a track record of duping promoters.
No matter what the truth is, Fightlinker points out it seems like the old gang (no pun intended, he he) from PRIDE has Dana's number:
The funny thing about this is that Dana just seems to keep getting fucked over by this strange nebulous group of PRIDE-related assholes. 364 days of the year, he keeps his poker face on and refuses to cut anyone any slack. But one day a year his inner PRIDE mark re-appears and he ends up cutting a deal that results in him getting fucked over. And people wonder why he’s not willing to co-promote or bend any rules. Because every time he does, he ends up like Charlie Brown trying to kick that damn football.
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Not saying this is true or untrue
I just think this is exactly the reason why people need to slow down and get all the facts before they completely eviscerate Cro Cop. No one knows what the deal is at this point.
"Japan is half-Machida" - iiowyn
by Day Man on Jun 14, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is like the Randy and Fedor saga all over again. I’m not sure we will ever know the truth behind this one.
by ThomasJ on Jun 14, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be shocked in a good way if CC’s next fight is with the UFC – happy to be wrong.
by subo on Jun 14, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What made me irked about all this to start with was that I had defended the guy saying he wouldn’t do something like that just days ago. I would love to think my initial thoughts on the matter were correct and more than willing to call myself a big hyper-critical dummy if it means that Cro Cop actually is at least partially the person I thought he was as a fan all these years.
by who me on Jun 14, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I know is that Dana better be careful as he potentially could alienate a lot of fans and a lot of European talent if he keep going off like this.
Maybe this will finally mellow him out?
by ThomasJ on Jun 14, 2009 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
could crocop be playing both sides?
Coming out with this statement makes him get the upper hand in the negotiations with both orgs.. Knowing that both parties are interested in his services would sort off put them in a bidding war, which would make crocop the victor either way..
And with all the mixed reports, people wouldn’t know what to believe anymore.. Just don’t forget he’s a politician too..
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 14, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes that is possible, lot of things are possible, of course if he is trying to play both sides I’ve got a feeling it’s already too late to get much more out of Dana White and the UFC.
by who me on Jun 14, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,I doubt that DAna would pay more..
But mirko coming out with this statements will make dream pay more if they really want to sign him..
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 14, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is probably too rich for Strikeforce right now but maybe the could promise him that Brett Rogers won’t repeatedly kick him in the nuts.
by who me on Jun 14, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t have to worry about nut kicking with Rogers, only hair pulling
by soadtrails on Jun 15, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm… walking away from this one
Keep firing Assholes!
Out out, you demons of stupidity!
by Ubernoober on Jun 14, 2009 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the analogy about White being like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football!!
by ThomasJ on Jun 14, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If its possible that the whole cro cop to dream thing could be false, couldnt it also be possible that Dana White didnt freak out about it. I guess well see in his next VLOG he LOVES venting in those things.
by JaTinkles on Jun 14, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hopefully this will be resolved within the next few days
by Yasnian on Jun 14, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can you say clusterfuck? Even though UFC is a finely ran business, we all gotta keep in mind, shit happens…there are misunderstandings and things that come up out of the blue, and when you got Dana White at the helm, crazy shit happens.
It’s part of the business.
by kyfm621 on Jun 14, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think..
Dana White only told part of the story.
CroCop’s management probably went to White and said he was going to have to out-bid DREAM if they wanted CC to sign with the UFC. Obviously Dana was pissed that he didn’t “fully/officially” sign CC yet, so he made that statement saying how hes getting “poked”.
by virginiatech on Jun 14, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think something like this went down. Cro Cop’s “signed with Dream” because Dana doesn’t want to play hardball.
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by Mike Fagan on Jun 14, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is pretty interesting. I hope that the truth can somehow be uncovered in this story. One thing I know for sure is that Dana White does look a lot like Charlie Brown. Can you picture him in that zig zag sweater?
by Cliff Speed on Jun 14, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Photoshop, do your thing.
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by Day Man on Jun 14, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
weoweoweo
where you at? :P
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by schizosmurf on Jun 15, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
little sloppy, but you get the idea
by Dabashire on Jun 15, 2009 2:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing about this is that Dana just seems to keep getting fucked over by this strange nebulous group of PRIDE-related assholes. 364 days of the year, he keeps his poker face on and refuses to cut anyone any slack. But one day a year his inner PRIDE mark re-appears and he ends up cutting a deal that results in him getting fucked over. And people wonder why he’s not willing to co-promote or bend any rules. Because every time he does, he ends up like Charlie Brown trying to kick that damn football.
I’ve read alot of dumb things in my life but this has to be at the top of them, it’s like people are so desperate to get over Dana that they invent facts to tell whatever story that they want it’s pretty pathetic really.
by Raker on Jun 14, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think this is dumb? Personally I think it’s relatively accurate.
by rainmaker6 on Jun 14, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s saying he doesn’t read much?
by Meeaaat on Jun 14, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s dumb because it keeps putting up the Dana got screwed over by buying Pride myth, that has been debunked many times yet people are so desperate to hate on Dana that they continue to buy into it.
by Raker on Jun 15, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the myth that got “debunked” was White screwed over Pride not that Pride screwed over Dana White? Not sure how that is hating on Dana White either, it’s more of a statement of sympathy for what he has to deal with.
by who me on Jun 15, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the rough translation, it sounds to me like CroCop is still fielding offers after he already made the verbal agreement with Dana. He got what he wanted in the fight in Cologne near Croatia, and now instead of honouring the agreement, he’s saying that Dream is willing to give him 3 fights over the next 6 months, whereas the UFC is only willing to guarantee him 2 over the next year. It sounds like he’s trying to weasel more out of the UFC now that 99 is over, and they have less bargaining power.
by Meeaaat on Jun 14, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really hope this is true
because Dana White would look like such a huge ass. I like him and all, but he didn’t keep his cool at all through this
by Flyghtt on Jun 14, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What else is new? Personally, I’m getting sick of his attitude. Be a professional… no matter if you manage a department store or a bunch of fighters.
by ThomasJ on Jun 14, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST!!!
I don’t care – I just don’t want some long legal drama.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Jun 14, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What you can miss in a day
A lots happened since the conclusion of UFC 99. Curious to see where this Cro Cop thing goes. I guess you guys shouldn’t blast Supremacy the next time he openly makes an issue out of a verbal contract cause it appears he had it sniffed out.
Mercer knocking out Sylvia was no surprise. If they are going to trade punches than I am going to take the guy with the gold medal over the 45 lb over weight duff.
by bignerd on Jun 14, 2009 11:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone with half a brain should know that a verbal contract isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Jun 15, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I’m just shocked that Dana is so shocked about this. He knows better and should have been the first to see this coming. I thought he did see it coming but figured he would make some coin having Cro Cop on the Germany card.
Verbal Contract = No Contract . . . life lesson for all people in all walks of life. Don’t ever fall for it.
by bignerd on Jun 15, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where there is smoke there is fire
There is always weird news around Mirko.
by banter on Jun 14, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One contradiction.
In the paper, Mirko said he expected to talk with Dana immediately.
In the post-fight interview, he was quite specific: He was going to take a week’s holiday and then talk to Dana about the future.
Does that mean he is lying? No, but we still don’t know what has really happened.
by Lynchman on Jun 15, 2009 12:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So when does this situation get a catchy “gate” name? I don’t know the rules for naming “gate” events. “CroCropgate” and “Mirkogate” don’t cut it for me and I’m too tired to think of more.
by midwestbred on Jun 15, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Colognegate?
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by Mike Fagan on Jun 15, 2009 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too close to “Colon-gate”
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by themachiavellian on Jun 15, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if cro-cop would have just spoke to dana himself, instead of skipping town, there may have been no confusion. him skipping the press conference should have raised a flag.
by bdw on Jun 15, 2009 2:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think he makes a habit of skipping them. Of course the Keven Iole story says that Dana was informed of this by Cro Cop after the show which really doesn’t make sense when it comes to Cro Cop saying that he doesn’t know why Dana didn’t talk to him directly. The whole situation just doesn’t make a lot of sense at this point and Cro Cop’s statement in this report makes it even more confusing.
by who me on Jun 15, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole thing is confusing
Nobody really knows that the facts are yet so I’m thinking I’m going to wait for the facts to come out before I make any more judgments.
by rainmaker6 on Jun 15, 2009 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m thinking about starting a rumor that Cro Cop is planning on fighting Ray Mercer, I mean at this point why not? :D
by who me on Jun 15, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd back that rumour 100%
But judging by Mercer’s K-1 fight – he doesn’t like getting kicked to the head.
by rainmaker6 on Jun 15, 2009 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Japanese news report story
The three fight deal that CroCop now seems to have with FEG was reported in Japan even before UFC 99 had taken place.
An article by NikkanSports on the 13th (UFC took place on the 14th in Japan) said that he got around 450 e-mails by Japanese fans when he announced on his blog that he would make a UFC comeback. And it said that after learning this, his mother Ana(?) told him that Japanese fans respect him.
The article says that he will fight in DREAM on July, September, and on NYE. He wanted a rematch with Nogueira in the UFC but he chose DREAM in the end. Defeating Al-Turk was a must for a DREAM fight in July.
by who me on Jun 15, 2009 2:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
damn, too slow
was just coming to post this myself.
this all seems shady. there’s definitely some lies and/or misinformation floating around here. it’s just matter of trying to figure out how much is the doing of each party (CC, FEG, and DW).
I’m inclined to think at this point, with only what we know (or think we know), that CC used the UFC fight to scam/pressure FEG into a better contract, then they collaboratively scammed DW/Zuffa. And really, all that I don’t really care about. It’s the fact the he told his fans one thing then completely backed out on it. He lied to his fans. I prefer him in DREAM anyways, but lying about his intentions makes me look forward to a rematch with Overeem so much more, and not in a good way.
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by schizosmurf on Jun 15, 2009 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dream says it has Mirko signed
FEG’s U.S. rep, Mike Kogan, sent me an e-mail yesterday confirming the deal.
Sergio Non,
MMA writer, USA TODAY
http://mma.usatoday.com
by Sergio Non on Jun 15, 2009 4:19 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Thanks Sergio
Saw your article as well. However at this point I think people are still inclined to want to believe that Crocop didn’t just ‘screw’ the UFC. More importantly the fans are looking for an explanation as to why he would PUBLICLY announce he would fight in the UFC again and then go back on his word.
Also – I’m thinking about what his motivation for this is. Currently I’ve come up empty.
by rainmaker6 on Jun 15, 2009 4:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been off the net all weekend – did we already make all the “Mirko sure clawed his way to victory” jokes?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jun 15, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well there have been a lot of accusations flying around, but the story has so far been essentially one sided with nothing coming from Mirko’s camp suggesting a move to Dream.
So then why has every MMA site from Yahoo Sports to Fightopinion been so eager to blast Mirko and definitively say that he has moved to Dream with so little evidence to go on? This is, in my view, a good sign of the lacking credibility of this kind of media, a story will be published that can damagae a fighters standing and reputation, with little or no evidence to go on. The worst of it supprisingly has come from mainstream commentators like Iole – who has lots of connections and resources at his disposal – and has even distorted the way Mirko fought at 99, with his bias towards Dana and the UFC – which is a more serious degree of unprofessionalism.
The MMA media seems like one big rumour mill, and these rumours are published as if they are stories, with the slant of being professional but they are far from that. How can a story be posted if there isn’t anything definitive to say? There is no accountability in this form of media either, Iole can say what he wants to, Ariel can write someone off and throw them away, Zack Arnold can pretend he has the true insight because he is a long standing coverer, MMAjunkie, Cagepotato and BE all of them can act with impunity. But one thing they are all guilty of is unprofessionalism from varying degrees.
What this form of media needs is some standards to set itself by, how to write a story from the basics, it needs to be balanced and well sourced before you can blast away at someone. It needs editing standards, you just couldn’t get away with most of these articles in a newspaper and this is supposed to be the medium of the future?
If the MMA media wants credibility – which of course must be one it’s goals – then it seriously needs to review it’s function.
by Donk696 on Jun 15, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you by chance mean “hear hear”?
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by Richard Wade on Jun 15, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You did see where right above your post Sergio Non of USA Today stated:
FEG’s U.S. rep, Mike Kogan, sent me an e-mail yesterday confirming the deal.
Apparently someone in the MMA world is doing the research, shame the research agrees with all the other people’s stories. I mean when you get down to the point where even Dream is saying they signed Cro Cop then you have to assume that there is something to this story.
by who me on Jun 15, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I did read his post, yes I did read his column and others noting similar things and I agree with you that it’s something interesting to talk about. But not in the way that the MMA media is doing it. I wouldn’t call it definitive yet as the above post reveals. If we assume the move is true we don’t know Mirko’s reasoning or his plans and so can’t form a judgement on if it was a good move or not. Ariel is guilty of that as are a lot of sites. Iole is even more extreme in distorting Mirko’s performance at 99.
In my view you post a story when all the facts are in, I think my comment is more relevant on sites like Yahoo or MMAJunkie, but bloody elbow is run by some intelligent people who run a flexible site that listen to their readers.
The only reason why the MMA sites agree with each other is because they derive from the same source, mostly Dana White and Iole. Just because another site writes a post doesn’t make that into a source. Which is why I have an issue with this, I have not seen much information so far, the sources seem to be few in number and there are big pieces of the puzzle missing. So the story shouldn’t be a story, topic for discussion yes, story no and definately nothing to blast Mirko about yet. Give it a week or so and then i’m sure posts like what have been created across the MMA media so far can be made (apart from Ariels and Iole’s).
by Donk696 on Jun 15, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
News sources report when they get the news not when they get all the facts, heck if they waited for all the facts they may never get to run the story because lots of times all the facts are never known. This was a breaking story and while you might not like the editorializing of some of the writers running this breaking news story was the correct call. Of course a lot of these guys also get paid to editiorialize so that is what they do. Most sites have updated their stories with the new information as it comes in and some of them (like USAtoday) have confirmed the story. I mean honestly you can’t get much more confirmation than both companies involved saying it’s the case. What are they supposed to do at that point? The sad fact is that the actual sources in MMA just aren’t that reliable, between White and Dream and a Croatian newspaper as sources what do you expect? Are they supposed to sit on the story until the sport actually develops beyond a doubt sources? Because that may mean waiting until Cro Cop actually fights again to see where he went and we may never know why, they aren’t going to sit on the story for months.
Withholding judgement until you get the full picture is very commendable but part of a journalist job is to report the news in a timely fashion and this was most definatly big news. They can’t sit on the story waiting for Cro Cop to never get back to them and the step of confirming the signing with Dream was taken. That’s the price we pay for getting timely news about the sport on the internet. They report it when the story breaks and they report it again when new information comes to light and the will report it yet again when they get more of the full story.
by who me on Jun 15, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes you do wait for the facts otherwise you risk damaging someone’s reputation and reporting something that isn’t true. I was more talking about Iole’s report and the derivitives thereof and not other sites making a report for discussion but never mind.
Also I don’t like Sergio’s Non’s article because it is a quote from a key stakeholder, K1 makes ridulous reports about signings all the time. The latest in the line was Canseco in the last Dream event, they are too desperate to be trusted in the way that Sergio is doing it. Just because someone holds a high position it doesn’t mean they are reliable, i mean you wouldn’t trust anything Jerry Millen says for a second would you?
Finally in Mirko’s most recent interview it the following link Mirko clears up everything up definitively, which is what the MMA sites should have waited for in the first place, and that took like what 3 days? It turns out that articles like Sergio’s and Iole’s were just speculation and pedalling a non issue, this interview by Mirko gives the best detail so far.
by Donk696 on Jun 16, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can understand that there might be some people trying to salvage this as not being crocop taking the ufc for a ride, but it seems really weird to me that dana white would go out in public and completely slander someone if it wasnt based in concrete fact.
by nigelzackit on Jun 15, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking about the same Dana White the rest is?
Because the Dana White I know about, would do exactly that.
by grein on Jun 15, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he could and might, but thats a pretty bold move if its not true. people talk about lawsuits – that’s fire for one.
by nigelzackit on Jun 15, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Fedor sucks,” said White. “He’s not even a top 5 Heavyweight in the world.” -Dana White
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by Day Man on Jun 15, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saying that someone sucks isn’t even close to saying that someone lied to him and screwed his company over on a deal. Promoters say guys that doesn’t work for them are overrated all the time, that’s part of their job as promoters.
by who me on Jun 15, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems really weird to me that dana white would go out in public and completely slander someone if it wasnt based in concrete fact.
And I followed it with:
"Fedor sucks," said White. "He’s not even a top 5 Heavyweight in the world." -Dana White
Pretty much the definition of slandering someone without any basis at all in fact. Whether or not its the same thing as what he said about Cro Cop is irrelevant to the humorous statement about Dana White.
NPH WOULDN’T DO THAT!
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by Day Man on Jun 15, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s still the difference between being a promoter and being the head of the company. What White said about Fedor wasn’t slander it was hyped up opinion from a fight promoter(saying someone isn’t a top 5 heavyweight isn’t slander, hell the rankings are mostly subjective to start with) what he said about Cro Cop here is a pretty serious accusation of negotiating a contract in bad faith. Accusing a guy of being overrated as a fighter and accusing a guy of being a liar who scammed his company and broke a verbal contract are so far apart that they aren’t even comparable.
I get the joke you are making it’s just that what White said about Cro Cop isn’t funny at all.
by who me on Jun 15, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm…curious.
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by Rundownloser on Jun 15, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All I know is that if he did “sign” with Dream, they’d better hope he did it ON PAPER WITH A PEN because otherwise, we’ll be reading about him facing somebody in Strikeforce.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jun 15, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m waiting for Tom Atencio to have a press conference on the matter
by who me on Jun 15, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want to know when Monte Cox is gonna get involved.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ. -- TangleBones
by jemaleddin on Jun 15, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cro Cop vs Ray Mercer, come on Monte make it happen.
by who me on Jun 15, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take Cro Cop in an easy win
Cro Cop is a trained professional kickboxer. Not an out of shape, idiot who believes he is also boxer.
by bignerd on Jun 15, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is just a couple of days ago the vast majority of people were picking Tim Sylvia in a easy win once this got changed to MMA. Still I agree, that is unless they wrote it into the contract that Cro Cop had to put on 45lbs of fat and not train for the fight like Tim Sylvia :D
by who me on Jun 15, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t believe people were picking Tim. Every comment from Tim indicated that he was going to fight a stand up battle. I’m taking the former, over the hill, world class boxer over the MMA fighter any day in a stand up. The term “the sweet science” was coined out of mid air. Last I checked Tim knew almost nothing about boxing.
by bignerd on Jun 15, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea the more we heard about the fight the worse it looked for Tim and there were some people ringing the warning bell on this. Still it was a fight against a 49 year old and no one knew that the new Tim Sylvia apparently ate the old Tim Sylvia.
by who me on Jun 15, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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