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UFC 99: Rich Franklin vs. Wanderlei Silva Much More Than a Main Event Matchup

Rich-franklin-vs-wanderlei-silva-ufc-99_mediumBack in February, the UFC confirmed that former UFC middleweight kingpin Rich "Ace" Franklin (24-4-0-1) would, in fact, continue his run in the light heavyweight division with a matchup against former PRIDE champion Wanderlei Silva (32-9-1-1). The UFC 99 preview has dubbed this bout a battle between "aggressive" fighters with Rich's reign in past relying on his power and abilities to punish opponents while Wanderlei's overly aggressive brawling led to his status as being considered one of the most feared fighters in MMA. Most fans felt that this was simply a catchweight matchup for pure entertainment value, but as we've come to realize... this bout is much more than a main event matchup. It may be a bout that could produce some major hype for the UFC's middleweight division, and some interesting matchups in the light heavyweight division depending on the outcome.

As Michael Rome pointed out in his article regarding the UFC 99 Countdown show, Dana White has made it clear that Wanderlei Silva will be in line to take on the current UFC Middleweight champion Anderson Silva if he's able to defeat Forrest Griffin at UFC 101. Of course, this depends on if Wanderlei Silva still has enough left in the tank to defeat Franklin at UFC 99.

Wanderlei has had quite a rough time in his current tenure in the UFC. He's currently 1-2 within the promotion while being 1-4 in his last 5 bouts, all against top competition within the middleweight and light heavyweight weight classes. His brawling style combined with his raw power is a formidable beast to any opponent, but his style over the years has caused severe strain on his body as he ages. He also hasn't been technically sound in his striking for most of his career, and he heavily relies on the fact that he comes forward at a tenacious pace to keep opponents on the run.

Franklin has enjoyed much more success than Wanderlei has recently. He's 3-2 in his last 5 fights with a controversial loss to Dan Henderson at UFC 93, and a devastating loss to Anderson Silva for the second time at UFC 77. He's been impressive in wins over Travis Lutter and Matt Hamill, and he continues to show a well-rounded skillset instead of a one-dimensional game like Wanderlei. He'll be looking to continue his progression within the light heavyweight picture with a win.

Stylistically, this is an attractive fight on paper. Wanderlei's destructive punching and aggression has real potential to be too strong for Franklin. As we've seen in past fights with Anderson Silva, Franklin's chin isn't immune to heavy shots. While it's a stretch to say Franklin has a weak chin, it's definitely an area in which Silva can take full advantage.

The only real counterpoint to that is that Franklin has a much more well-rounded game. He has dynamic abilities in the standup game, solid power in his hands, good ground abilities, and he's the lengthier fighter. He'll have a reach advantage, and it's going to be a tough prospect for Wanderlei to wade through Franklin's punching to land the big shot.

The UFC is likely wanting to see Wanderlei win this matchup as they will be pushing for a Anderson Silva vs. Wanderlei Silva showdown with some hype being created out of Anderson Silva helping Rich Franklin train for the UFC 99 matchup. If Wanderlei loses, it's likely we'll see Maia or Okami in a title shot bout against Anderson Silva over Wanderlei, which probably isn't as exciting for the UFC brass to swallow.

A Franklin win opens up some more opportunities for him in the light heavyweight division. I could see Franklin potentially taking on the winner of Jardine vs. Thiago Silva, or the UFC giving Luis Cane a shot at Franklin. If Griffin loses to Silva, there is always the possibility of Franklin being thrown into a battle with Griffin. In any case, it'll make for another headlining battle for the UFC. It isn't Silva vs. Silva, but the UFC probably has no problems with this prospect.

This rounds out the UFC 99 main card action. With all the solid matchups set to take place, this card has turned out to be a real gem on this year's roster of UFC cards. Most of the main card matchups involve some heavy thinking when it comes down to styles and picking a winner. Enjoy the fights everyone!

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Who will win?
Rich Franklin
564 votes
Wanderlei Silva
476 votes

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I don’t believe that Franklin has the “much more well rounded game”. Both guys are very well rounded.

by Hardcharger on Jun 11, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How’s that? You can look at Wanderlei’s credentials on paper, but has he used all of those tools throughout his career? No.

Franklin has solid skills in every area of the game. His clinch is obviously an area that Wanderlei can take advantage, but on paper, Franklin has the much more well-rounded game over Wanderlei.

That doesn’t say that Wanderlei doesn’t clinch Franklin and crush him or hurt him with a huge blow, but I still think Franklin has the better overall skillset. Whether or not the striking and clinch departments are better or the same as Wanderlei’s clinch and striking is another question.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 11, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Franklin has the much more well-rounded game over Wanderlei.

That doesn’t say that Wanderlei doesn’t clinch Franklin and crush him or hurt him with a huge blow

Exactly it. This is almost a contest between whether or not Franklin is well-rounded and functionally diverse enough to overcome the massive Silva broadside that he knows is coming. Silva has a bunch of skills, but we all know that his prefered style of fighting is to blast with every thing he has until the opponent crumbles. That’s a fairly limited functional repetoire, but that doesn’t mean that it can’t be effective… and therein lies the intrigue!

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by AJB on Jun 11, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose well-rounded would encompass his clinch game. But… I think overall… Franklin has a much more complete game than Wanderlei has at least shown in the cage.

Skillwise, Franklin has more tools. But… can he overcome the onslaught? That is definitely the intrigue here.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 11, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What’s missing from Wanderlei’s game that makes him not well-rounded? You can argue that he’s never submitted anyone (other than by strikes), but I’d like to point out that in 41 fights he’s never been submitted.

Just because he likes to bang doesn’t mean that he’s at a disadvantage to Rich’s (slightly) more offensive ground game.

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by jemaleddin on Jun 11, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wanderlei hasn’t submitted anyone except for Bob Schrijber via RNC. Rich has plenty of submissions to his credit. Furthermore, Wanderlei’s ground game seems to be way more defensive than deemed offensive while Franklin has actually shown offensive and defensive capabilities.

Furthermore, Wanderlei’s standup game is way more “wild” than actually technical. Franklin actually throws a combination of straight and looping blows with solid kicks while Wanderlei is more prone to be the aggressor, get you against the fence, and blast you with power. It’s very untechnical in nature. Franklin has more dynamic capabilities in his striking. Wanderlei’s kicks are something he can use, but he doesn’t use them often as he’s at a reach disadvantage.

On paper, Franklin has the edge in the striking department with his dynamic abilities along with his reach. Wanderlei’s striking is formidable in that its riddled with power. I fail to see where Wanderlei is so “well-rounded” in that aspect. His ground game is mostly defensive. I don’t see what argument can be made for Wanderlei being some sort of offensive weapon on the floor. It can, however, set him up for ground and pound. Franklin, on the other hand, has shown the capabilities to not only be defensive with his jiu-jitsu, but he’s been able to move to position for offense much more than I’ve seen Wanderlei do. Of course, this may be an unfair comparison since I haven’t seen Wanderlei do much on the floor since his PRIDE days.

I still stick by my original point. Franklin is more well-rounded than Wanderlei. Yes, Wanderlei likes to bang, but I took into consideration his ground game and clinch tactics. I still think in THIS matchup, Franklin is the much more well-rounded fighter. He has more tools, but Wanderlei has the tools in specific parts of his game to end Franklin. Just because someone is considered more well-rounded doesn’t mean he’s BETTER than someone in a specific area.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 11, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we’re using different definitions of well-rounded. You’re talking about having a wide range of skills that Wanderlei uses in a fight, other people are talking about having a broad base of experience. I mean, judging from his fights, who would think that Jorge Gurgel even had a ground game?

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by jemaleddin on Jun 12, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In what elements is Rich superior to Wanderlei?

Boxing? No
Kicks? Maybe
Clinch/knees? No
Takedowns? Even
TD defense? Silva
Sub defense? Even or Wanderlei
Sub offense? Neither
Cardio? Even
Power? Silva

by Hardcharger on Jun 11, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding me?

Boxing? What boxing? Wanderlei boxes? He throw looping punches. His best attribute is his timing and baiting opponents.
Kicks? Yes, Franklin has used not only leg kicks, but body kicks well. He beat Hamill on a damn Liver kick.
Clinch/knees? No – Agreed
Takedowns? Even is a stretch. I’d give it to Franklin personally. But we’ll consider it even for sake of argument because Wanderlei is tough to takedown as well.
TD defense? Even
Sub defense? Even
Sub offense? I’d give Franklin the slight edge over Wanderlei just based on historical data, but in this fight, we might as well erase this stat.
Cardio? Even
Power? Silva

Honestly, we can’t even compare the standup game. Franklin has better kicks by far IMO, and their striking comparison on paper is wildly different. I think Franklin is way more technical than Wanderlei while Wanderlei uses raw aggression and power. Timing and baiting would go into it as well, but I think Franklin is better standing in terms of technical prowess. It doesn’t mean a whole lot of Wanderlei simply goes nuts and wastes Franklin’s chin though. On paper, Franklin is more well-rounded.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 11, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You haven’t made a case for Rich being more well rounded. Wild or not, Wandy is better with the hands – as historical data shows. Franklin isn’t exactly that technical with the hands either, throwing looping strikes, and the occasional backhand slap. It works for Rich, but isn’t classic boxing. I’m not comparing who has the classic boxing style, but who’s more effective. Wanderlei has proven it against tougher (and mostly larger) competition as well.

by Hardcharger on Jun 11, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s been a long time I’ve waited to see any improvement in Wands game. He still just relies on his windmill kung-fu. Naw, it’s Chuck all over again – their shit worked in the previous era, in this day and age they are just old fossils. Survival of the fittest. Franklin takes this with relative ease.

by ununkvadrium on Jun 11, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In what era has Franklin’s game worked as well as Wanderlei’s? I’m a Franklin fan, but Wanderlei is far more accomplished, against better fighters, and mostly fighters at a higher weight class.

Franklin’s game hasn’t exactly reinvented itself either. He stands and trades and tries to avoid the TD.

by Hardcharger on Jun 11, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What better fighters? I don’t understand this statement at all. First and foremost, he fought a lot of guys at 205 while Franklin fought at 185. Secondly, I fail to see going down the long list where he successfully punished better fighters over a long period of time. He beat some decent guys, but Franklin took on three solid contenders, came back from a defeat and beat the next guys in line. MacDonald wasn’t a big win, but he did beat Okami, who has been at the top for quite some time.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 11, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will say this, he’s FACED better competition, but he wasn’t necessarily successful in his striking in some of those fights.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 11, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Franklin throws way more technical strikes than simply looping strikes. He uses the straight jab in combinations as well whereas Wanderlei doesn’t so much.

I’m a little confused as to how Wanderlei has proven it against tougher competition. Franklin has beaten the who’s who of the Middleweight division through his tenure as champion, and he was able even trying to regain a position to gain the title back.

Wanderlei has proven that he can beat a whole lot of subpar competition by running them over. Jackson are some of his best wins from PRIDE, but that wasn’t even the Jackson you see today in the Octagon by far. Arona was probably one of his best wins, but Sakuraba multiple times didn’t even stack up against him after the first beatdown he gave him. Franklin has faced tougher competition. More effective striking? Wanderlei was more effective because that’s what he chose to use, but Franklin still demolished a lot of the elite fighters in the UFC. This argument makes no sense to me.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t vote against Wand…

by Nick Thomas on Jun 11, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For nostalgia purposes, I want Wanderlei to win.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 11, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, but I think Rich’s length will ultimately be the deciding factor in this one. I’d really love for Wanderlei to get another W, but I just don’t see it happening (though I hope I’m wrong).

by Estrada on Jun 11, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have the same inkling. His reach could be a major factor.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 11, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Rich wins, I’d really like to see a fight between him and somebody like Jardine or Vera next.

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by Rundownloser on Jun 11, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Franklin wins this, but I still want to see what happens to Silva in the true 185 division. Franklin was and is a big 185er, easily a legitimate 205er. Silva was always a wee 205er, but through a lot of his fighting career, so were his opponents. It tells you something about the priority placed on and advancements made in weight cutting in American-based combat sports that Franklin was long fighting at MW while Silva was dominating LHW, and the two are now crossing each other going different directions. I’d honestly like to see Silva-Kang, Silva-Gouveia, and Silva-Leites at MW.

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by AJB on Jun 11, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I will be rooting for Wand just for chance to see Silva v Silva but I have to go with Rich to win here.

And should he win, a matchup w winner of Jardine Thiago does make the most sense

by Gerrymanderer on Jun 11, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All the matchups for Wand at 185 still make me want him to continue there even if he loses here.

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by Rundownloser on Jun 11, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Clinch?

Agreed that Franklin has shown weakness in the clinch, but that was against the Champ Anderson Silva. Who, I am not certain, but looks to be quite a bit taller/longer than Wand. So how exactly is he planning on implementing this?

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by dnevil001 on Jun 11, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. That, and he did figure out a lot about clinch defense until the second fight. Now he’s even working with one of the most technically sound clinch strikers in MMA. I really don’t buy into the notion that Wand has anything going for him there. Not to mention that Wands clinch game always has been severely overrated to begin with.

by ununkvadrium on Jun 11, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want Silva to win, not because I hate Franklin just that I like how Silva wears his heart on his sleeve and I think the Silva vs Silva main event would be exciting.
Realistically though I really can’t see Silva beating Franklin, I expect it will be an ugly “bull vs matador” type fight with Franklin eventually putting Silva down.

by pr0cs on Jun 11, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just can’t (and I dont want to for that matter) picture Franklin KOing Wandy. He doesn’t have Rampage power IMO. This fight will either end by Franklin getting KOed or TKOd on the ground by Silva. Or Frankling by decision.

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by xFenixKnightx on Jun 11, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree.

"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito on Belfort at Affliction:DOR

by Rundownloser on Jun 11, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pr0cs, you’re spot on.

Wanderlei was the first fighter I saw a youtube video of and was like ‘wait, what???’

So much emotional charge.

He made me come back after years.

But yeah, Franklin wins. :-(

by Gerrymanderer on Jun 11, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha, Wanderlei was probably the first guy in MMA in which a friend would come over and I’d say… you have to see this beast KO all these guys, it’s crazy!

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by Leland Roling on Jun 11, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, that exact same thing happened to me. I had a friend force me to watch a Pride video where Silva was going ape shit on people.

by ricker2005 on Jun 11, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, I personally think that Rich has the reach advantage in which he should pick apart Wanderlei. Wanderlei has agression, but if Rich uses the game plan similar to Chuck, and keep his distance, push Wanderlei up against the cage, limit his power and fight technically and not bar brawl. Rich should have this fight. It’s speed and strength of Wanderlei vs. Technical Strength and Speed of Franklin. But we all know, one punch ends a fight.

by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 11, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

More weight class niggles
“1-4 in his last 5 bouts, all against top competition within the middleweight and light heavyweight weight classes.”

By which you mean “…and heavyweight” since you’re including Mirko. But then we have to argue about whether or not he’s “top competition.” And then we have to aruge about whether Dan counts as top competition at middleweight in that match, since it was for the 205 belt, or whether you meant middleweight in Pride terms, and regardless it doesn’t change the fact that all of those fights were at 205 or more…

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by jemaleddin on Jun 11, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Correct on Mirko. It was open-weight.

Argue about whether or not he’s top competition? What argument?

He was top competition at the time of the fight, as were all the other fights. Why does everyone immediately assume they weren’t? Because they are comparing those fights to today’s fighter. Mirko isn’t the same today, but back then, he was top competition as were all the other names.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 11, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, when he was fighting in unregulated bouts, he was certainly top competition, and that was an unregulated bout. But when you toss in drug and steroid testing into the mix, Mirko doesn’t fight so well – and that factors heavily into my decision as to whether or not he’s ever REALLY been top competition. You know?

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by jemaleddin on Jun 12, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh God, nevermind then. I’m not going to get into a debate involving all the other junk. That’s just way too much speculation involved in a simple argument.

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by Leland Roling on Jun 12, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speculation? I’m not saying he used – just that he performs best when there’s no testing. Maybe he fights at his best against people on roids? Dunno. :-)

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by jemaleddin on Jun 12, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think there were a lot of things about PRIDE in those days that played to Wanderlei’s style. Certainly the following helped:

-most grappling-based fighters had much less developed standup games than they commonly do now
-high-level wrestling ability was less common, especially among the Brazillian and Japanese fighters who made up a large part of PRIDE’s roster
-the open encouragement of very aggressive fighting styles (yellow cards for inactivity, the tacit support from fans and management for the "Bushido mentality, etc.)
-the relative newness of Wandy’s super-pressure striking style
-PRIDE’s penchant for booking matches where one fighter would pretty much get pounded to shit to showcase their “never say die” attitude (why do people like this?)
-the ability to use kicks and stomps to continue an onslaught against an opponent who has been dropped, staggered or stunned without having to transition immediately to ground tactics that give the downed fighter time to recover

Given all that in specific reference to Wandy, I think any speculation on roids is kinda after the fact. The rules of the UFC and the way that MMA has progressed over the past 5-6 years – especially in North America where the well-roundedness and superior wrestling abilities of many fighters is hard to ignore – just don’t favour Silva to the same extent. Wandy was a massive innovator in a perfect situation when he started fighting; he’s now playing catch-up in a hostile situation. To me, roids is an ancillary concern at best especially without any kind of evidence.

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by AJB on Jun 12, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, we were talking about Mirko there…

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by jemaleddin on Jun 12, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And his loss to Mirko, which makes what you’re saying doubly odd. :-)

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by jemaleddin on Jun 12, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dah, fuck, epic comprehension fail. Too much coffee, disregard.

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by AJB on Jun 12, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too MUCH coffee? That’s madness!

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by jemaleddin on Jun 15, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want Rich to win, just because I want to see Maia fight Anderson.

Wanderleis style plays right into the hands of Andersons footwork and he will likely get Chris Leben’ed.

by DirtyML on Jun 11, 2009 5:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha into the hands of his footwork.. man i gotta sleep more.

by DirtyML on Jun 11, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maia has to beat Nate Marquardt before he worries about Anderson.

by subo on Jun 11, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would like

to see the new and improved Nate or Maia fight Anderson. Just wish they weren’t gonna fight each other 1st.

by Riney on Jun 11, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think it makes much sense to compare Franklin’s recent 3-2 run with Wandy’s 1-4… I mean is there ANYONE that thinks that Wandy wouldn’t beat Lutter or Hammill if he fought them?

by brad23 on Jun 11, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know about Wandy beating Hammil. Not because I don’t think Wandy is the better fighter, but it’s a huge size mismatch and Matt could basically lay and pray that fight with ease excepting the possibility of catching a big shot on the way in.

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by AJB on Jun 12, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

the deciding factor for me in this debate is the sheer amount of damage Wandy has taken over the years. Anyone familiar with his fights knows he has taken enough damage for 2 lifetimes. The level of fighters he has faced is plain incredible, Rampage, Liddel, Ortiz, Cro Cop, Sakuraba, Henderson, Minowa, Belfort, Metger, Hunt, Arona ..just plain impressive.

My wallet says Franklin my heart says Wandy.

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