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Bloody Elbow Judo Chop: Flying Knees and Triangles with Jose Aldo and Seth Dikun

3611230482_bc754b47e6_mediumThe WEC has earned a reputation for putting on some of the best shows in MMA and this Sunday's WEC 41: Brown vs Faber 2 was no exception. You had a brutal grinding five round war for the promotion's marquee belt, six different submission wins, a thrilling split decision. And we got to enjoy two of the flashiest finishes possible in the MMA game: Jose Aldo's Flying Knee KO of Cub Swanson and Seth Dikun's flying triangle over Rolando Perez.

The two moves are basically the equivalent of a game opening kickoff return flea flicker for a touchdown combined with a game ending grand slam homerun. To see either one pulled off successfully is a rare treat for the MMA fan, to see both in one event is to go home happy.

To the best of my knowledge, both moves were first used to finish fights in Shooto. Rumina Sato pulled off a reverse flying triangle in 1995 against Isamu Osugi (an mma footnote if there ever was one) at Shooto - Vale Tudo Perception in September 1995.

To my knowledge, Hayato "Mach" Sakurai landed the first flying knee KO in modern mma history (thanks Leland!) against Ademir Oliveira back in Shooto - Devilock Fighters in Jan of 1999. It should be noted that Mach's flying knee was a leaping knee from within the clinch rather than a start of the fight run across the cage and go for broke flying knee ala Aldo. Gilbert Yvel and Yuki Kondo were other early pioneers of the move.

According to Leland's analysis of the Sherdog Fight Finder, the flying triangle is much much rarer than the flying knee KO.  Only four fights have been decided by flying triangle choke out of 62,600 in the DB -- that's .007% of fights. [Note: It's likely that there are some flying triangles that are just noted as triangle chokes). By comparison the flying knee is credited with finishing 48 fights out of 62,600 or .07% of fights.

Another thing the moves have in common other than "flying" is that they were first used in Japanese MMA and came out of second generation arts to seriously impact MMA: muay Thai and judo. I consider the first generation arts in MMA to be Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Japanese Shootwrestling and Brazilian Luta Livre. American freestyle and greco-roman wrestling were other second generation arts.

Rumina Sato was one of the first fighters to apply the high impact, high risk style of submission grappling that is rewarded by the rules of sport judo. Dave Camarillo was one of the first to apply that style to competitive BJJ and submission wrestling (I'm mentioning Camarillo because his book is a great resource for anyone considering adding flying attacks to their grappling game). Sato blazed a path later followed by legendary Japanese fighters such as  Genki Sudo and Shinya Aoki. Anyone know anything about Sato's martial arts background before he started fighting shooto? My assumption is that he started out training Judo -- the national sport of Japan.

Sakurai was one of the first Japanese fighters to successfully use knees in MMA. His use of knees proved especially effective against BJJ and wrestling based grapplers who ducked down going for takedowns. My understanding is that Mach started out from a Karate background but I suspect that some serious cross-pollination with muay Thai took place at some point in his training.

We'll talk a little bit of technique in the full entry.

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Small-knee_mediumUp first we've got Jose Aldo charging into a ducking Cub Swanson and catching him with a left knee to the face. Note the fake kick - stutter step that Aldo does at the start of the sequence -- he's faking a left kick to bait Swanson into shooting for a takedown. Once he sees that Cub has taken the bait, he quick steps with his right foot and launches himself into the air.

The impact is brutal because Swanson is not just stepping into the knee, he's diving face first into the knee with both feet anchored on the ground. Aldo for his part is launching his body into the air with his right leg and also raising his left knee independently of the leap. It's like quadruple kinetic impact on Cub's face.

Flyangle_mediumOn the left we've got Seth Dikun's beautiful flying triangle. He's got Rolando Perez in a collar tie (left arm wrapped around the back of Perez' neck, right arm under Perez' left ,gripping Perez' shoulder).  From there he leans back, pulling Perez down then suddenly throws both legs in the air, hooking his left behind Perez' head, forcing Perez down with all his weight and falling into perfect position to  get the triangle choke by hooking his right leg over  his left ankle in a figure four. 

Remember the triangle choke is a blood choke that cuts off one artery on the side of the next with the choker's thigh and the other artery with the chokee's shoulder. It took Dikun quite a while to get Perez to tap out, but he got the choke fully placed "on the fly" as it were.

Dave Camarillo actually recommends the flying triangle as a more conservative alternative to the more common flying armbar because it leaves you in a better position (the guard) if things go wrong

As always I have no actual expertise in anything so I welcome all comments and corrections.

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That knee right there. That’s why IMO

MMA > Boxing

4 EVER!!!! :)

I love the way you broke it down too. Aldo is just on another level. His reaction time is miles ahead of others.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, growing up as a child Kimbo Slice was never given any bread with his meals. This is why he insists people... give him his bread."

by xFenixKnightx on Jun 10, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know

I wasn’t sure if he timed it perfectly or was just psychic.

by zeroword on Jun 10, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its like quadruple kinetic impact on Cub’s face

Apostrophe fail. Nicely done otherwise – I hope the comments section will soon be brimming with more info.

by subo on Jun 10, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fixed

thanks!

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Jun 10, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that’s now my 2nd favorite knee in all of MMA – Hansen/Imanari will always be first becasue you hear the “clunk”.

Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett

by themachiavellian on Jun 10, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That flying triangle is sweet. Damn, it’s beautiful. I think it’s interesting to note that he doesn’t jump straight up, but rather slightly off to one side to free his left leg and be sure to get it past Perez’s free hand, in kind of a “1-2” jump; first, bringing his right leg up the back, and then swinging his left out wide as his weight on the neck, shoulder and back start to drag Perez down. Then he has to work his hips back to square on the ground. Lots going on there.

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by AJB on Jun 10, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

you’re not really supposed to square your hips up when you’re triangling somebody. you generally want to have a bit of an angle to help crush the shoulder into the neck… i’ve always been taught to push off the opponent’s hips with my free leg before locking in the triangle.

a little bit after the gif above, perez was actually pretty close to posturing and twisting out, and I think he actually would have if he hadn’t started to receive elbows from dikun.

beautiful setup though. this is the kinda stuff that got me into jujitsu and mma

by phantasma475 on Jun 10, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I know, the point being that from the angle he had to position himself to get the setup, his angle was actually the opposite of what it needed to be. He would be angled towards the arm-in side, and as such wouldn’t be able to get much pressure on that shoulder to drive it into the neck. What I’m looking at is how he has to hold the triangle while slowly moving his angle back to the opposite side.

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by AJB on Jun 10, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good stuff guys!

thanks for contributing.

"the spirit of your average dumbass with more overblown rhetoric" OR "the self-appointed savior of MMA"

by Kid Nate on Jun 10, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was actually inspired by the fights over the weekend to try the flying triangle in training yesterday. It’s easy to pull off but it’s also easy to get out of. They way I found easiest is to kick up with my rear leg (right) into the guard and use that momentum to swing the left leg over the head.

Lots of fun.

by rainmaker6 on Jun 10, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here’s Genki Sudo tapping fools with flying triangles and other flashy moves in a grappling
tournament:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIUWH-tuGGk

First flying triangle comes at the 0:25 mark, second is on 1:36. And at the 3:50 mark watch for a mounted triangle special.

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by skeed on Jun 10, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I always get dizzy watching Genki fight…

by EnsignFrog on Jun 11, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

These posts are consistantly the best thing on BE. Good stuff.

by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 11, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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